Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider.
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This is been an
interesting discussion
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with Pati Lawrence,
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and before the break
you were telling there
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about this out of
control town hall meeting
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organized by
Congresswoman Barragan,
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a small woman, short
woman being intimidated
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by an angry crowd
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and an
individual that you thought
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was almost inciting a riot
until the pastor stepped in
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and reminded them
that this was a holy place.
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This was a church and
they should respect it.
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And I really, in
my mind at the time
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was thinking of that Jesus
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calming the
waters, peace be still.
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It was.
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It was very close to that,
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and the audience did quiet down,
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he was able to give...
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We closed the town
hall at that point,
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it was towards the end anyway.
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Yeah.
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He gave a prayer, it was silent,
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everyone left orderly.
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It was the Holy
Spirit was in that place.
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He really was.
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And the Congresswoman went away
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with a pretty good
feeling overall, right?
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Very good feeling,
and not long after that,
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she organized a
faith leadership,
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prayer breakfast.
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And when I received the invite,
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her district
director was sure to say,
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please invite
all of your pastors
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within her district
and especially this pastor.
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And so, we showed up
for a prayer breakfast
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and I have many pictures of her,
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and he just talking as
if they're just old friends
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and that's how
this bonding happens.
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This has, this is how
the relationships happen.
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You don't know what's
going to bring you together,
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but God does.
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Now these are
amazing experiences,
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which absolutely vindicate
our pile approach, I think.
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And going back to the beginning,
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you took our literature,
literally acted on it.
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So it's a pretty good blueprint,
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but the missing
element for many people
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is they haven't sort of
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got the fire in
their belly, the vision.
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Well, something
you'll be excited about,
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I was in, I think I can say that
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in Congressman Lowenthal
in California, his office,
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and again, Dennis
Seaton, Church State Council,
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our vice president
of Southern Conference.
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They joined me in this meeting.
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We met with his
district director.
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First amazing thing
was his district director
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and I both grew
up in the same area
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in Seal Beach, California,
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and went to the
same high school.
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So that was a good
bonding experience.
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But when I brought up
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Liberty magazine to hand to him,
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he said, "Oh yeah, we
get that all the time.
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Let me show you."
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He gets up and he comes in
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with his own issue
of Liberty magazine.
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That was really nice.
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We were very happy about that
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And it's worth reminding of you,
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is that Liberty
magazine is widely distributed
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to state and federal legislators
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and mayors and all
the community leaders
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we can think of,
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a lot of
lawyers, not all of them.
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There's a last
figure I saw is at least
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200,000 lawyers in the US.
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We don't yet have the
ability to send to all,
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but Liberty goes
out to, it varies a bit,
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but between 160 and
185,000, every issue,
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that's a pretty
wide distribution...
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Yeah, so I was surprised.
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So it's not uncommon to
go to a government office
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and to see it
there on the table,
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or to hear that they
have been reading it.
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And he had it
out because he went,
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picked it up and
brought it right in says,
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"Look, here's my issue."
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Yeah. That was great.
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By the way, my
son has been going out
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using an old word,
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colporteuring,
but selling cookbooks
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and spiritual
books door to door.
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And he said, he went to one door
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and got into
discussion with him.
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And he said,
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"His father head
at Liberty magazine."
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And the guy says,
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"Oh, yes, I see that
at my dentist's office."
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So these seedings of truth work.
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It does, and I,
it helped me greatly
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I know too,
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because along
with the NARLA card
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that I give out with
the Liberty magazine,
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I attended a
congressional hearing
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and this was historic.
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I don't believe from
what I read in the invite
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that a congressional hearing
has been held in Los Angeles,
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but this was
held in Los Angeles.
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There were about
six members of Congress
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from across the
country on this panel.
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And the room, it was
a short list of invites.
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How my name got on the
list could only be from God.
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That's the only thing...
It was a very small room.
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I sat in the second
row, and for some reason,
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I thought I was going to meet
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maybe one member
of Congress, possibly,
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if it was on my side to do that.
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So, but I brought
several Liberty magazines
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and several NARLA cards.
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So it was on
criminal justice reform,
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which is now something
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that has been calling me
to get involved with that.
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Some community activism
work I am working on, but...
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I remember last
this is timing it,
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but recently the
first debate, well,
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the first and
only debate between
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the vice presidential candidates
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Kamala Harris from
California originally,
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she was on about
criminal justice reform,
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big issue...
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Yes.
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Made it a national concern
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by her
mentioning it's problematic.
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And it's pretty big
in California right now.
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So I've been
jumping on that also,
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but this was my first hearing.
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And during the hearing,
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I kept praying to
God and saying, God,
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let me just speak to one member
of Congress, just one member.
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I was actually invited
by Congresswoman Karen Bass
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because I signed
up on their website
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and they must have just
pulled a handful of people.
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My name happened to be
in that pool of people.
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God, only God.
Only God's in that.
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God's in that.
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Jonah's lot was
drawn, but providence.
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Yeah, it was God
that I would be called
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for the very few to
be there from the public
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but I was, and I thought, God,
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just let me meet
her, just let me meet her.
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And I kept praying
just one member of Congress.
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No, that day after
the meeting, how...
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It's still in my mind
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when I look back on it's surreal
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because I
walked up to the table.
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Now they were
supposed to be rushed off
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into a press
conference right afterwards.
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Three of them
were still at their,
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the panel table,
picking up some things.
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And I go walking
up to the first one
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was Congressman Hank
Johnson from Atlanta.
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And I handed him the
little package that I had,
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introduced myself, and he said.
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And I said, I
don't remember exactly.
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I know he was at
Atlanta, and maybe I just said,
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you know I'd like to
just call on your office.
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Like, you know,
and he gave me the name
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of his district director.
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Okay.
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The next
Congressman was from Nevada
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who we've built a
pretty good relationship
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with his office since
and I gave him the same thing
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and he was reading the card.
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He took the time to stop
and read the card with me.
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And he saw
legislative and he says,
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oh, why don't you reach out to,
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he gave me her name, his
legislative director in DC.
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And he gave me her name.
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And I said, "Okay."
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The next person was
Congresswoman Bass directly
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because I had
been on her website,
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but this is the
first interaction
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face-to-face.
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I hadn't even met
any of her staffers yet.
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So she's the one
that put her hand
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on my arm that day
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when I explained to
her religious liberty.
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And she said,
"Thank you for saying so."
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And she said, "Call her office."
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She gave me the name
of her district director
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to make an appointment.
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So I left there with
three members of Congress
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when I asked God to
just let me introduce,
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let me meet one.
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And what's happened
since then, as you know,
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we were in
Atlanta for the Conscience
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and Justice
Convention, Congressman Johnson
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was there to give a greeting.
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And I was asked, they said,
well, Pati, and this is how,
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again, nurturing
the relationships
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when you get
familiar with someone.
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I was speaking with
his district director
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on and off through the
weeks since I'd met them.
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And she was familiar with me,
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sometimes we just chit chat
girl talk, and then hang up.
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And what were the chances
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I'd ever see him
or her in Atlanta?
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I'm in California.
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But when I invited him to
the Conscience Convention,
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she said, "Oh,
sure, yes, he'll do that."
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And then I think
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it was a couple of
days before she says,
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"Well, Pati, here's
my cell phone number.
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Here's the
Congressman's cell phone number.
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May I give him your number?"
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And then she says,
"Can we ask you a favor?
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We don't have a
staffer available
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to meet him that day."
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And he came with
an old college buddy,
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can you meet him,
walk him in, you know,
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sit him down and
then walk out with him.
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They're asking me if I would
do what they would normally do.
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I wish I was there.
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There's trust, don't see
you as a risky proposition.
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Yeah, and, of course.
For one of their team.
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And so, and I did that.
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I walked him in, I
know you were there.
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He gave his greeting,
with Congresswoman Bass,
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and made an appointment
with her district director,
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went in and here's something
that I love about that meeting.
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Dennis Seaton again,
Church State Council,
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our VP from our
Southern Conference
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was in attendance.
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Also, I invited a pastor,
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we have about
eight congregations
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within
Congresswoman Bass' district.
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I invited one of the pastors
to represent her constituency
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because I was told by
her district director,
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we really need someone
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that were in the
meeting from her constituency.
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To justify it
really in some way.
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Right.
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So I invited the pastor
who represented constituency.
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It was a wonderful
meeting that we had.
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We start explaining to
her about our structure
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in Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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I started with my portfolio.
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And then she stops us.
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She goes, now,
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you don't have to
tell me anymore about
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Seventh-day Adventist.
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And at first I'm
thinking, oh, no, right?
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No, listen to this.
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She says, "I grew up
Seventh-day Adventist."
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I grew up in Loma Linda.
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Her parents were
Seventh-day Adventists.
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Her grandfather was
Seventh-day Adventist,
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worked for ADRA.
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Her parents did mission work.
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So she knows the whole deal.
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I mean, who would
have thought, right?
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Then she says,
so very interesting.
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She left Adventism
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and she's
practicing, she's Jewish now.
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We thought, okay.
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Well, we didn't have to go on
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with the structure of the church
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or explaining who we
are and what we do anymore,
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she knew.
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So we went on to
the more practical
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of how we could work together.
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But the biggest thing that
I really take from this is,
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I know there's that separation
between church and state.
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We don't pray in
members of Congress offices
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or meetings with them.
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We keep it separate, but
because of the connection.
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Well, you can pray.
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That's allowed, by the
way, we've had articles.
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In fact I didn't
know if it was allowed.
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See, we've had article,
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we had an article
once in Liberty magazine
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about the legislators in Hawaii
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that they have a
right within their office
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and in their
own private dealings
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that are not official to pray.
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They have a right,
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even amazingly to
put religious posters
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on their office door.
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Okay.
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So was it, I didn't know
that and I've never asked them.
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It gets tricky at some points,
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but, or in the
schools, a teacher has a right,
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but they have no right
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in the formal teaching
to be promoting religion
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or that discussion
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because they're
paid by the state to deal
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with civil matters.
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But as an individual,
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they don't lose their
rights of religious expression.
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So they have to be
very careful the venue
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and the way that they do it.
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They still have
religious practice rights.
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And in these meetings,
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and when I've
attended meetings alone,
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I never offer a
prayer at the end,
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but the pastor did,
he says, "Can we pray?"
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And she said,
"Yes." We stood up.
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We were in a circle
and he prayed us out.
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And I just thought,
what a beautiful thing,
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what a beautiful thing.
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And, you know, to her,
she says to us, she says,
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this is the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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that I knew growing up.
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The Adventist Church back then
would have never stepped out
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into the public
sphere like this,
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and met with
government officials.
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So you broadened her view
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and who knows this
might be another exposure
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that might lead to
another change of mind.
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You just don't know
what seeds we're planting.
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We don't know
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when they're going to take root,
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but just letting her
know that this is a new day
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for the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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We are out in the public,
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and we are
building relationships
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with elected officials.
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One of the endearing
scenes of the Old Testament
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is King Solomon deciding
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or cutting through the deception
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and the apparent
insolubility of a case
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with one child and two mothers.
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In some ways we're
asking our modern justices
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to be as salonic
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or divine about their judgments.
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We need to have
justices who cherish justice,
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and we shouldn't demean
them too much by imagining
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they can be bought easily
and corrupted by factions.
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There needs to be good order
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just as there needs to be
good order within the church.
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Pati told the story of an almost
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out of control crowd in a church
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brought to order by the pastor.
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That should be the
role of the church,
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not to incite, to riot,
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not to encourage
justices to move aside
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from the norms of the
law, but to remind people
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that God expects us
to be in good order,
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just as the children
of Israel on one occasion,
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marched out with song
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and prayer against the enemy
in good order in holy array.
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We need to face these times,
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these cataclysmic
times in holy array,
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singing the songs of the Lord
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and holding out as we
do with religious liberty,
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the freedom that God
allows to all of his creatures
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in these difficult times.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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