Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider.
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Before the break with
guest, Pati Lawrence, we were...
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I was following along
with rapt attention to hearing
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just one
opportunity after the other,
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but I looked through it
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and I see that you
were taking advantage.
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They weren't just sort
of dropping in your lap,
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you were making contacts
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and doing things
that meant naturally
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there was a harvest
of acceptance coming
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back towards you.
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And I know we've talked,
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spoken a little bit privately,
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but this ongoing COVID emergency
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is sort of provided the proof
of these contacts, isn't it?
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They've been looking
you up and asking for help
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in different sorts of projects
connected with the emergency.
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Yes.
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I still continue to
nurture the relationships
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and that's really important.
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Before COVID, I would have,
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Wednesday were my
days of like rounds
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'cause doctors
make their rounds,
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I would make my
rounds around the community
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stopping in at the offices,
taking Liberty Magazine,
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taking other
literature, sometimes pastries.
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But now with COVID
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and the offices
being closed down,
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it's more phone calls, emails.
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Some of the district
directors or field deputies,
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I have their cell phone numbers.
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And I just let them know,
if you need help with anything,
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I'm still here, let
me know what I can do.
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There's a state
senator, local state senator
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that he was having
a grocery giveaway,
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the grab-and-go
or drive-through,
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people drive through.
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So I went there
and I helped out.
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We have a
councilman in Los Angeles,
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who happens to be
Seventh-day Adventist.
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On every third Saturday
till the end of the year
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he's having a
grab-and-go grocery giveaway.
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And I'll be there helping
him until the end of the year,
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every third Saturday.
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And still I get
calls. We put on...
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Oh, the most recently,
this past Monday night,
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I don't know if you're
aware of the Zoom conference,
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the town hall that
Church State Council put on.
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Yes.
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On voting information and
the responsibility to vote.
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We had and
through the relationships
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that I've been able
to develop and nurture.
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I'm comfortable
in calling and say,
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"Hi, we want to
have a Zoom conference.
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We'd love the
congressmen to join us.
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Give his take on the integrity
and the importance of voting."
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They said yes on the spot.
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The County
Registrar-Recorder's office
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was on hand and
county supervisor's rep
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was on hand.
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It was most successful.
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And it probably is
easier to get people on Zoom
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than to come
attend your meeting.
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It is.
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So COVID has helped in that
way where we are still visible.
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They're still hearing from
me, and we're still partnering.
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We're still partnering.
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Didn't you tell me a story about
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they came to you
seeking some materials
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and you were an intermediary
and found the materials
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and supplied them to
this government entity?
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About the town hall?
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If it was...
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Tell me, tell me
something that fits that.
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Okay, yes. I'm sorry.
I'm sure I have that one too.
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I've so many stories in my head.
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I know.
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You've told me things over
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the last few
years that are amazing.
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Well, first, I want to say that
a lot of the time I thought,
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at the beginning, I
thought God will open the doors,
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I'll walk into the
offices, meet the gatekeepers,
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as I was told the receptionists,
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the field reps.
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That isn't what was happening.
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I would meet them
out at the events.
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But you are a
footstone for them...
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Yes, yes.
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That cuts through
all of it. Yes, exactly.
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I show up and it
just, it falls into place.
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I was at actually a
legislative briefing,
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because again I went on websites
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for the different
members of Congress in our area,
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Senate.
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I've been at
Dianne Feinstein's office
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actually.
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Have I ever told you that? No.
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But I would always have
the opportunity to go meet
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the, in this
case, a congresswoman.
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And Dianne
Feinstein, for example,
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was very helpful for us
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in establishing
the Liberty dinner.
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Yes.
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It was under her sponsorship
that we had the room in
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the Russell Senate Caucus room,
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where they used to
have the Watergate hearings
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many years ago.
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And for years,
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we had our Liberty dinner there,
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but we had to have sponsorship
from some Senatorial office
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and it was Dianne
Feinstein's office.
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Oh, her staffers are
amazing and very responsive.
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Yeah, obviously
through her staffer,
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but I suppose they
clear that with her.
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Oh, yes, yes.
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And so I was at a
congressional hearing,
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legislative briefing,
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I'll talk about the
congressional hearing.
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And I met the congresswoman,
spoke a little bit.
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And because I had stopped
into her office a few times,
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her district
director was standing by her
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and he says, "Oh,
I've heard about you.
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I've heard your name.
You've come by our office.
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" And she's like, "Oh,
okay. You're familiar with her.
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Yes, I'd like
to have a meeting."
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"Sure set up a meeting."
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So I did, went in,
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her district director was there.
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And actually,
Dennis Seaton again
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from Church State Council
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and then our vice president
from our Southern Conference,
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they came with me,
they attended the meeting.
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Very good meeting,
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I'd put together a
portfolio of services.
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So I didn't know
during my first meetings,
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what am I doing to speak about
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if I didn't
have someone with me.
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So I put together this
book a portfolio of services
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that told about our services
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and resources as a
church organization
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and how we can
partner with their resources
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and services in the community.
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So I go through my presentation,
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meeting went very well.
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And what's
interesting about this is out
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in the hallway afterwards,
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I didn't know this,
because I stayed in,
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and I had a
second meeting with her
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legislative policy director
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to go over possible new
laws for human trafficking,
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to curtail human trafficking.
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So I'm still in the
human trafficking arena.
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Later, I find out
that her district director
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was interested about Adventism,
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he started asking
questions about our faith.
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So it's...
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Really it's
about the gospel too.
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We are witnessing as
we're out there talking
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and speaking to
them, they're getting,
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they'd say, "Adventists,
well, what are they about?"
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And who knows how
many have maybe googled
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or walked into a church,
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because we've been
there talking to them.
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You never know. I
mean, the web of contacts.
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You just don't know.
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And you're reminding me
and I try to keep this in mind
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of what I said to
my wife many years ago,
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when I was back in Australia
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and got a call to
come to a publishing house
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at Pacific Press in Idaho.
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She didn't want
to leave Australia
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and I was a bit apprehensive,
because in Australia,
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they think that all
the troubles of the world
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are coming to the
US not down there.
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They're apart from they think.
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And she says,
"Why should you go?
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There's gonna be trouble there."
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And I said, "Well,
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this request to go
seems so providential."
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And I said, "I
don't know, but maybe
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God's plan is just that I
make some contact at some point
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that leads to something
else to something else."
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And that's what
this is all about,
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just a singular moment.
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And I really believe that.
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I mean, our life
is not just one thing.
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But the real
power of these contacts
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and that God's leading may be
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that you're a
link in a great scheme,
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if want of a better word,
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for God to spread
the word in an area
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that might never have gone.
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And so you don't know
that momentary contact.
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It's powerful.
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Because what I'm
trying to let them know is
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who we are and
what we really do.
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Sometimes, some
of them don't even,
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have never heard of
Seventh-day Adventist.
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I went into a senator's
office, this district director,
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first thing she
says when I met with her,
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when she saw my portfolio,
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"Oh, Seventh-day Adventist,
aren't you vegetarians?"
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Most of my meeting that day
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was a half hour
talking about recipes.
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And I've given her recipes
and she's writing them down.
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I sent her a package
of recipes after that.
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And that's the same senator...
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And no chocolate
chip cookies recipe?
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Not the cookies.
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Oat meal
patties and, you know...
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It's a very good entering
wedge and it's not just device.
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I mean, godly living
requires respect for your body
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and healthful living, so...
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Exactly, exactly.
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I think Adventists
sometimes don't really
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show it as an
integrated approach
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to our worship of God.
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But it's that
same senator's office
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that recently asked me to
help at their grab-and-go,
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grocery grab-and-go.
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And it's been two, three
years since her and I met.
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And when and I sent her a
whole package, an envelope,
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a little goodie
package of recipes after that.
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But so this member of Congress,
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I do let them know
that we are neutral,
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non-partisan.
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And sometimes it
is brought up to me,
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well, what about
separation of church and state?
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Why are you here wanting
to build relationships with us
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when you oppose us?
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This opens the door for me.
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And this is what
I say all the time.
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And I say yes, they are...
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I bring up Church
State Council first of all,
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I let them know that we do
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protect and defend
all people's faith.
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If there's a
religious liberty issue
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at stake, we will
step up and help everyone.
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It's not just ourselves.
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Then I let them know that yes,
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we protect the
wall of separation
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of church and state,
because we don't want to do
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is impose our authority on
you or your authority on us.
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You're busy, you
have important work to do,
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we don't have time for that.
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But I let them know,
let's meet in the middle,
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let's build a
healthy relationship
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to where we're pooling
our resources together.
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Let's do something
good in the community.
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Now you're
explaining it directly.
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And this is a good time for me
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to interject by way
of informing the viewers.
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In the US at the moment
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apart from the debate
over the election and so on,
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there's been a lot of
talk about religious liberty,
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very good statements,
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but behind them is
really a change dynamic.
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It's not really what
you and I would understand
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is true
religious liberty operating
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within the
constraints of separation
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of church and state.
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Its religious entitlement,
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special treatment for a
certain form of religion.
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And that at the end of the day
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is the antithetical opposite
to true religious liberty.
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So you need to beware
like, you know, the old saying,
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beware of Greeks carrying gifts,
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from the ferry
to the Trojan horse.
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And they can be a
Trojan horse issue
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on religious liberty that
sort of is taking advantage,
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but it's not true
religious liberty,
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it's not concerned
for all people of faith,
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their freedom from coercion
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and freedom from
government intrusion.
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Well, I had one
member of Congress
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when I gave her my NARLA card.
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And they said, "Oh, you know..."
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Sometimes when
they kind of see...
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I see an eyebrow grow up.
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NARLA again, North American
Religious Liberty Association.
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Sometimes I see a
little eyebrow go up
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when they see religious liberty,
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that term,
especially in this era.
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Yes, I know,
because it's often used
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as an improper wedge for power.
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Yes, but when they
really hear what we are about,
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what we defend
and how we stand up
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for what's good
and what's right,
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and let's build a
healthy relationship.
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Yes, there's a separation,
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but there can be a
healthy relationship.
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One member of Congress,
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she put her hand on
my arm and she says,
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"I'm so glad you said that.
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Thank you."
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You know, so they
welcome the explanation.
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And what you're
telling me is very interesting
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that these different legislators
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are most aware
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of the separation of
church and state necessity.
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It's come up a
couple of times...
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And I presume respectful
of it, but that's interesting.
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Yes. And I have the
opportunity to explain to them.
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Yes, I will not back...
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You know, I won't
sacrifice our truths
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or my beliefs just to
be accepted by someone.
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And if I say yes, we
defend the separation of church
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and state and
tell them why and how.
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So really the payoff for you
is that it leads very quickly
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to where you're explaining
our principles of faith
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and religious liberty.
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Yes, and I don't
back down from it.
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And I think
they appreciate that.
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Because then they see that
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if I'm going to
stand on our truth
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for what's good and right,
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when I tell them,
let's partner together,
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let's do
something good together,
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they know I'm going to
stand on that promise also.
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I think it's in
the Book of Revelation
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that Jesus says, "Behold,
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I have set before
you an open door."
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And the idea is
that if God opens a door,
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no one can close it.
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And the idea must be
as Pati as discovered,
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if God opens a
door, walk through it.
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And we're very encouraged
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in our religious
liberty fraternity
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in North America
that people like Pati
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have been able to
take up the challenge
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and with the holy boldness
that comes from believing
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in what you're
selling, which is liberty,
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religious liberty and
knowledge of God's privilege
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to proclaim freedom.
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With that, you know,
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you don't need to be afraid
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that people will listen
to you, the doors will open,
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influence for religious
liberty and by extension,
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the community that's behind you,
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in this case, the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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all of that is advanced.
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And I know that as Pati
tells that it's exciting,
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because there are
great possibilities.
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There are
limitless possibilities,
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and no matter how
difficult the times,
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and these are
difficult, COVID-19,
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and prejudice in high places
to somewhat paraphrase for,
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no matter all of
that, God opens doors,
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and the religious liberty
story must be of a continuing
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opening of doors right
through to the kingdom.
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And as we open those
doors, those behind them,
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many of them will
then travel with us
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through to that next level,
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because there are
many as Ellen White told
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Seventh-day Adventists
looking wistfully to heaven
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and they will join us.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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