Welcome back to the Liberty Insider. 00:00:01.63\00:00:03.30 Before the break, I was sharing 00:00:03.33\00:00:05.20 what was an editorial in Liberty, 00:00:05.23\00:00:07.17 on a loss of innocence, 00:00:07.20\00:00:08.90 particularly, as relates to religion 00:00:08.94\00:00:11.47 in the United States. 00:00:11.51\00:00:12.84 And indeed, in our world. 00:00:12.87\00:00:15.24 I've got to say that, 00:00:15.28\00:00:17.38 in this ongoing pandemic shock to the world system, 00:00:17.41\00:00:22.65 it's a shock, socially, economically, 00:00:22.68\00:00:25.72 and indeed religiously. 00:00:25.75\00:00:27.69 In this ongoing pandemic shock, 00:00:27.72\00:00:30.16 I've been startled at how easily 00:00:30.19\00:00:33.83 formal religious activities just ceased. 00:00:33.86\00:00:37.53 And as I once, 00:00:37.57\00:00:38.90 I think road people slunk away to their homes, 00:00:38.93\00:00:40.90 into their beds, 00:00:40.94\00:00:42.27 into their video games and religion stopped. 00:00:42.30\00:00:46.47 I mean, it's not that simple. 00:00:46.51\00:00:47.94 And, of course, all generalizations fall down 00:00:47.98\00:00:49.88 in the particular. 00:00:49.91\00:00:51.25 There are many wonderful stories 00:00:51.28\00:00:54.48 of faith outreach and of individuals 00:00:54.52\00:00:57.72 whose faith has been strengthened 00:00:57.75\00:00:59.49 and that they still communicate adequately 00:00:59.52\00:01:02.12 with Zoom and other things. 00:01:02.16\00:01:03.49 I don't doubt that. 00:01:03.53\00:01:05.76 But in a general sense, 00:01:05.79\00:01:07.40 religion did abay unquestioningly 00:01:07.43\00:01:10.43 initially at least, 00:01:10.47\00:01:12.60 general calls to cease to stay home 00:01:12.63\00:01:15.54 and not worship and so on. 00:01:15.57\00:01:19.24 I'm not sure anybody going into this thought 00:01:19.27\00:01:22.01 that it would be so many months 00:01:22.04\00:01:23.78 from a global pandemic emergency. 00:01:23.81\00:01:27.52 And even as I record this, 00:01:27.55\00:01:29.72 I'd be very surprised 00:01:29.75\00:01:31.29 if it's not closer to the end of 2021 and the beginning 00:01:31.32\00:01:35.32 when things return to a sort of normalcy, 00:01:35.36\00:01:38.56 although masks might be here to stay, 00:01:38.59\00:01:41.03 since the pandemic lineup is sort of an assembly line. 00:01:41.06\00:01:46.13 COVID-19 might be followed by COVID-21, and so on. 00:01:46.17\00:01:52.07 But it has troubled me 00:01:52.11\00:01:53.81 that the churches went away so easy. 00:01:53.84\00:01:56.01 And as I followed the news, like everybody else, 00:01:56.04\00:01:58.91 my attention was gathered 00:01:58.95\00:02:01.18 to or drawn to a story of a church 00:02:01.22\00:02:05.05 in the Los Angeles area, faith community, 00:02:05.09\00:02:10.16 pastored by John McArthur, 00:02:10.19\00:02:15.50 its pastor I think of like about 40 years. 00:02:15.53\00:02:17.93 I mean, he's pretty much spent his whole career 00:02:17.97\00:02:20.60 pastoring this mega church, membership of 8,000. 00:02:20.64\00:02:24.47 And I did some investigation of them. 00:02:24.51\00:02:26.88 They'd come to prominence 00:02:26.91\00:02:28.24 because they were meeting in defiance 00:02:28.28\00:02:29.81 of the California Governor's edicts 00:02:29.84\00:02:32.21 that forbade churches to meet formally indoors 00:02:32.25\00:02:35.78 or indeed for a while, even outdoors. 00:02:35.82\00:02:38.95 But I found to my surprise 00:02:38.99\00:02:41.16 that McArthur early on had done 00:02:41.19\00:02:44.16 what many Christians thought they should do, 00:02:44.19\00:02:46.29 he cited the Apostle Paul's dictates 00:02:46.33\00:02:50.00 that we should obey the authorities 00:02:50.03\00:02:51.43 and be subservient and so on. 00:02:51.47\00:02:52.90 And he cited that publicly, they ceased to worship, 00:02:52.93\00:02:55.94 went home and wait, tried to wait it out. 00:02:55.97\00:02:58.84 But then he became aware. 00:02:58.87\00:03:01.24 First of all that 00:03:01.28\00:03:02.61 this was going to go a long time. 00:03:02.64\00:03:04.15 He became aware that 00:03:04.18\00:03:05.71 that certain panic steps were perhaps over blown, 00:03:05.75\00:03:11.09 and he became aware that 00:03:11.12\00:03:12.49 the churches were being restricted 00:03:12.52\00:03:14.06 where some other activities were not. 00:03:14.09\00:03:16.32 So as of the moment, even as I record this, 00:03:16.36\00:03:19.36 they are meeting again, 00:03:19.39\00:03:20.73 and I traveled to Los Angeles and attended the church, 00:03:20.76\00:03:23.43 they were, 00:03:23.47\00:03:24.80 by my count 3, 000 people in the second service 00:03:24.83\00:03:27.17 as many in the first there were hundreds, 00:03:27.20\00:03:29.87 but in other meetings and on the campus, 00:03:29.90\00:03:32.51 they were perhaps 500-600 meeting under a large tent 00:03:32.54\00:03:36.18 in an outdoor service. 00:03:36.21\00:03:38.21 Unfortunately, none of them wearing masks 00:03:38.25\00:03:40.35 'cause I thought 00:03:40.38\00:03:41.72 it's a reasonable protection against contagion. 00:03:41.75\00:03:44.19 And no particular effort made to social distancing. 00:03:44.22\00:03:46.82 So in that regard, 00:03:46.86\00:03:48.19 I think they're being foolish and presumptuous. 00:03:48.22\00:03:50.43 But they are being protective 00:03:50.46\00:03:52.99 of the Christians' obligation and right 00:03:53.03\00:03:55.60 under the Constitution and under divine mandate 00:03:55.63\00:03:58.77 to meet together and to worship and honor God. 00:03:58.80\00:04:02.80 And I found the service to be very mainline, 00:04:02.84\00:04:07.74 I found the attendees 00:04:07.78\00:04:09.54 to be Middle America personified. 00:04:09.58\00:04:12.61 And I have to admire what they're doing, 00:04:12.65\00:04:15.18 even if legally they're under hazard. 00:04:15.22\00:04:17.49 They're losing their parking lot privileges. 00:04:17.52\00:04:20.26 They're under injunction 00:04:20.29\00:04:21.86 from the authority's threat of huge fines 00:04:21.89\00:04:25.19 and perhaps even imprisonment for the pastor. 00:04:25.23\00:04:28.66 I've often said before on this program, 00:04:28.70\00:04:31.40 and through Liberty Magazine, 00:04:31.43\00:04:34.07 that we live under a bit of a misapprehension 00:04:34.10\00:04:36.94 in the United States 00:04:36.97\00:04:38.31 where the Constitution protects religious practice. 00:04:38.34\00:04:41.88 We cannot expect, 00:04:41.91\00:04:43.38 should not expect that in every instance, 00:04:43.41\00:04:46.11 the way is open before us 00:04:46.15\00:04:47.48 and there is no impediment to our practice of religion. 00:04:47.52\00:04:50.35 There is nearly always a price to pay for conviction 00:04:50.39\00:04:54.82 and for faith loyalty, 00:04:54.86\00:04:57.46 and they may have to pay the price 00:04:57.49\00:04:59.09 but I admired them 00:04:59.13\00:05:00.46 for acting on their convictions. 00:05:00.50\00:05:02.26 And it is at least a thought experiment 00:05:02.30\00:05:05.40 as we continue in this never ending, 00:05:05.43\00:05:08.20 it seems like COVID shut down in the world. 00:05:08.24\00:05:11.27 Are people of faith going to give in permanently 00:05:11.31\00:05:15.81 to officials and a state mandate 00:05:15.84\00:05:19.31 that might say that you know what, 00:05:19.35\00:05:21.38 what you count as your civil liberties 00:05:21.42\00:05:23.05 as your autonomy and indeed 00:05:23.08\00:05:24.99 your very right to worship God is going to be held back now 00:05:25.02\00:05:28.39 because we think it's such a great emergency. 00:05:28.42\00:05:32.16 What about those through the Dark Ages 00:05:32.19\00:05:35.00 who worshiped on pain of their life, 00:05:35.03\00:05:38.50 from persecution? 00:05:38.53\00:05:39.93 You know, what about those 00:05:39.97\00:05:41.97 who went as missionaries into areas 00:05:42.00\00:05:43.97 where their life was at immediate peril 00:05:44.01\00:05:46.64 from any number of sources, 00:05:46.68\00:05:48.18 disease, as well as the mythical cannibals 00:05:48.21\00:05:52.55 and not mythical, but you know, the story cannibals and the, 00:05:52.58\00:05:57.15 and those that exist even now in places like Pakistan 00:05:57.19\00:06:00.22 who will kill a Christian 00:06:00.26\00:06:01.59 on a single incitement from a village 00:06:01.62\00:06:03.79 that they have profaned certain of their holy rights. 00:06:03.83\00:06:08.20 People of faith have died and risked, 00:06:08.23\00:06:10.87 and done whatever necessary to worship the Lord. 00:06:10.90\00:06:13.70 And I think in the middle of this COVID, 00:06:13.74\00:06:15.44 we need to think again, 00:06:15.47\00:06:16.91 are we allowing the emergency 00:06:16.94\00:06:19.51 to overwhelm our religious prerogative? 00:06:19.54\00:06:23.45 Are we allowing it to overwhelm the call from heaven 00:06:23.48\00:06:27.75 to gather together to honor the Lord 00:06:27.78\00:06:30.89 by worship and by religious activities? 00:06:30.92\00:06:34.92 I am not convinced 00:06:34.96\00:06:36.29 that there was any forethought into in California 00:06:36.32\00:06:39.69 or any other state, 00:06:39.73\00:06:41.06 forethought into restricting religion. 00:06:41.10\00:06:43.30 But I am equally convinced 00:06:43.33\00:06:45.23 that there's been a developing 00:06:45.27\00:06:47.00 dismissal of religion 00:06:47.04\00:06:48.37 is important to the public good. 00:06:48.40\00:06:50.61 And so under mandates 00:06:50.64\00:06:53.17 that in typical legislative language, 00:06:53.21\00:06:55.94 they'll say, you know, you have this right 00:06:55.98\00:06:58.18 unless there is a compelling, governmental reason. 00:06:58.21\00:07:03.95 We should be aware of that, 00:07:03.99\00:07:05.32 because it's always compelling from a contrary point of view, 00:07:05.35\00:07:08.32 that doesn't respect the importance of your right 00:07:08.36\00:07:11.96 as a Christian or another faith believer. 00:07:11.99\00:07:14.73 And we have entered the stage 00:07:14.76\00:07:16.60 where separation of church and state is one thing 00:07:16.63\00:07:19.87 but the separation of the individual 00:07:19.90\00:07:22.80 and those in authority 00:07:22.84\00:07:24.27 and they respect an understanding of religion 00:07:24.31\00:07:27.31 has reached a state where we cannot presume that 00:07:27.34\00:07:31.21 they will automatically be respectful 00:07:31.25\00:07:33.42 of the need to worship in a group setting. 00:07:33.45\00:07:37.42 And so, you know, 00:07:37.45\00:07:38.79 I have to endorse and thank groups 00:07:38.82\00:07:42.19 like the Faith Community Church in Los Angeles, 00:07:42.22\00:07:47.80 who have at least stood on their convictions, 00:07:47.83\00:07:50.83 foolishly without masks, but that's the subtext to it, 00:07:50.87\00:07:53.74 stood on their convictions, 00:07:53.77\00:07:55.57 and said that we will worship God 00:07:55.60\00:07:57.81 no matter what. 00:07:57.84\00:07:59.47 That is the stuff of the reformation, 00:07:59.51\00:08:01.88 which their pastor often refers to. 00:08:01.91\00:08:03.98 The Protestant Reformation 00:08:04.01\00:08:05.75 which once defined an American populace, 00:08:05.78\00:08:09.18 not just as Christian but Protestant Christian, 00:08:09.22\00:08:12.15 which gave them a special awareness 00:08:12.19\00:08:14.52 of the stakes in standing for faith, 00:08:14.56\00:08:17.43 against persecution, against harassment, 00:08:17.46\00:08:20.53 and always for the integrity and the liberty of action 00:08:20.56\00:08:25.37 that comes from being a free man, 00:08:25.40\00:08:27.54 free under the Creator God 00:08:27.57\00:08:29.34 and in this country free under the mandate of rule 00:08:29.37\00:08:32.54 by the people, for the people. 00:08:32.57\00:08:33.91