Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is a program designed
to give special insights,
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up-to-date
information on religious liberty
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in the US and around the world.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
Editor of Liberty Magazine.
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And my special guest
on this program is a man,
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young man that shares my name.
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Christopher Steed,
Christopher Earnest David Steed,
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named after his
two grandparents.
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And it's a privilege for me
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to have you on the
program, Christopher.
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It's a privilege to be here.
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You've been on a
few times in the past,
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and you're here for
a number of reasons,
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most particularly to
bring a youth perspective
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to our topics.
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Often it's old, older people,
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at least young people may think
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so, it's just old fuddy-duddies
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talk about what
doesn't concern them.
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So I want to get a bit
of an insight from you.
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And in particular, you
know, we're six feet apart,
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we maybe don't need
to as much as others,
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because we're in close
proximity a lot of the time.
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But this is the
era of COVID, COVID-19.
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From your perspective,
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what does it meant staying home,
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not being able to go to
church as much as before,
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and in a different
way online and so on?
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What's your take on it?
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Well, I'm 22 years old.
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So being a young guy,
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I like to hang
out with my friends.
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I'm a car enthusiast.
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So I like going to car
meetings, stuff like that.
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And for me, and
most of the youth
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around the
world, it's been tough
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because we can't go
to our friends' houses,
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we can't go to,
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for example, the movies,
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or we can't go to car meets.
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We can't go just hang out
at the park with our friends
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due to the restrictions.
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Not all the people go to movies.
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It's not the best thing. Yeah.
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And you don't go
to movies either,
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but you didn't,
weren't brought up that way.
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But, but you're
right, your generation,
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that's the type of things
that they would do, right?
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Yeah.
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Also, for, by religious
standpoint, going to church,
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it's a fellowship,
it's being at home.
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I mean, watching it on
TV is fine, we get to relax.
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The dress code is not as strict
as it would be going to church.
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But it's, church
to me is a fellowship.
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But you're not that
keeps a pretty high dress code.
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I agree.
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Watching in on show.
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But for me, it's
more of a social aspect
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and a worship
aspect being around people,
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singing with people,
shaking hands after church,
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seeing your friends at church,
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just being together
and worshiping together,
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fellowshipping
together is a lot better
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than actually
just sitting at home
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or watching on the
TV with your family.
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So you know that
Bible text that says,
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Forsake not the assembling
of yourselves together."
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I didn't know that.
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That was the advice in
the New Testament from Paul,
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I think it was.
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And so, you're
pretty much underscoring
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that there's a very practical
need for believers to...
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Is elsewhere it says, encourage
one another with these sayings.
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Absolutely.
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So, yes, we
ultimately, as Protestants,
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we know we
relate directly to God.
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We don't need a
priest or an intermediary,
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we can relate to
God, but as human beings
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we have to
connect with other people.
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Absolutely.
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We lose something,
even, something spiritually
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if we don't have that.
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And going forward in the...
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in June, I believe
or July, end of July.
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I'm supposed to be
going to do colporteuring.
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This year it's...
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Not everybody that watches
around the world might know
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that term that you used,
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that's
door-to-door book selling,
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and sharing
literature, and witnessing.
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But this year due to
COVID-19, or Coronavirus,
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we have to do
virtual colporteuring,
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which, from what I've seen
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is going to be interesting.
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I'm not 100%
sure on how it works,
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but my idea of how it
work is people would...
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We would send, I believe
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they sent out a
letter or something.
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And people will call in
and we would talk on the phone,
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or on Skype, or on
Zoom or something like that.
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And it's going to be different.
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It's going to be
a challenge, but...
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Yeah.
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It is good in witnessing
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we're able to
maneuver with the reality
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that we have and
this is some way,
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but it probably
is not a direct equal
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of looking at
someone knocking on the door,
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looking at them and interacting
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in that dynamic personal ways.
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But at the same
time, I don't see,
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for example, going door-to-door,
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you can go to the door
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and knock on
the door, step back.
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Like for example, if they
have like two sets of stairs
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on their front porch,
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you could step back
down onto one of the steps.
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You'll keep your distance,
you'll have your mask on.
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That's not real door-to-door
salesmanship, the old theory,
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and this is tongue in
cheek was to step forward
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and put your foot in the door.
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Prevent them from
slamming at your face.
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And that is good psychology.
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My father and your grandfather
started his work in the church
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as a literature
evangelist, associate director.
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When I was about 10 or 12,
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he took me out door-to-door
because I wanted some money.
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We all want money,
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and I wanted a
few extra shillings
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as they were in
Australia back then.
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And he says, "Well,
why don't you go and sell
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Alert magazine
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which was the
temperance sobriety magazine
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that our church printed.
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And he says, "I
have some old copies,
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so I'll show you how to do it."
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So we went out door-to-door
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and he sold at every door.
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But I remember his technique,
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they would knock on the
door and he would step back.
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And he would say, "I
guess you're wondering
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who's knocking at your door?"
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Because they're wondering.
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But by stepping back,
he had removed the threat.
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You're right, very good thing,
especially in the COVID era.
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Now, you have been
involved with something
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that our church is
doing that is very possible
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during a time of
restriction like this.
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Our free pantry.
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Right, tell me a
little bit more about it?
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I go to Willow Brook
SDA Church with my family.
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In Hagerstown, Maryland?
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In Boonsboro
actually, Boonsboro.
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Technically, yes.
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It's a
Hagerstown Church out there.
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Yes.
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But at our church every Friday,
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starting at 10 o'clock,
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I get there at 10 o'clock.
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We accept
donations from 10 to 11.
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And then at 11 o'clock,
we open up our food pantry,
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and every day we serve
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about 20 to 30
cars and in each car,
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there can be one family,
there could be two families.
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We have people
coming from all around
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coming in and getting food.
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We have boxes of
like cheeses, sandwiches,
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cereal boxes, pancake mixes.
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Anything that's donated,
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we package in a box for a family
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and we give that family,
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that's a family's
meal for, let's say,
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a week could be in that one box.
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And I've been
taking the boxes home
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and giving it to our neighbor.
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And every week I take it to him
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and he always says thank you.
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It's a huge blessing
which you guys are doing.
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I had a lady
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come through our, "drive-thru."
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And so we took
down her information,
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we asked how many
people in her family.
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And then at the end
after we had finished
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loading up her car
with her groceries,
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I go around her window,
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and I asked her
if she needs prayer.
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And she says
yes, and she tells me
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what her needs are
and I pray with her.
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And then after she's
done, after I say amen,
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I'm starting to
leave and she says,
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"Hold on one second.
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I want, I just
want to say thank you."
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There's tears
streaming down her face,
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as she thanks me
for praying with her.
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She says, "She really feels
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that God is
working through the church,
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through me, and
through everybody."
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And she just
wanted to say thank you.
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Wasn't that a great feeling?
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It was. Yeah.
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So COVID hasn't
stopped everything
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that we do as Christians,
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as Seventh-day
Adventist Christians
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reaching out to the community.
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And I think this is admirable.
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And I know this is not
the only church doing it.
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But we've, you and I
have observed this close.
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They're operating
within the norms of COVID,
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drive-thru like
you say, although,
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I've got to say for our viewers,
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at this late point in
this overall emergency
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when 120,000
Americans have died,
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so there's a real risk.
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I still don't understand
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why churches at the very least
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couldn't operate
on a drive-thru basis,
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like the old drive-in.
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Drive-in movies. Yeah.
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Which don't really
exist anymore, but, you know,
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I'm old enough to remember
when there were such things
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and to see them
they were a prominent,
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physical features
of a lot of towns.
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Zero chance of contagion.
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But you could have someone
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either on a screen or on a stage
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with the
microphone and receivers,
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you could easily do it
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on your radio
receiver in the car.
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And it would give a sense,
certain sense of community.
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They've not allowed, at
least in the number of states.
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And Liberty has featured that,
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that the fact that
they were not allowed,
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but this is an equivalent
in some ways, isn't it?
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Well, for now,
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I know Willow Brook for
example is opening back up.
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Yes, just the last few weeks.
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Very limited seating.
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In our sanctuary, it's
every other pew is open.
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And then we have our dining hall
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or pedant hall off to the,
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off to the
backside of the sanctuary,
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where we have the pastor
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and I set up 42 seats,
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42 or 44 seats for overflow.
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And people, people
are coming to church,
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people are coming back to church
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and every time we've gone,
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I've seen just a little,
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a few more people
every single time,
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but, it's, the whole
dynamic has changed from...
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For example,
January, we would go to church
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and I'll be able to go out,
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go out right up to my
pastor, shake his hand
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and say thank you
for a wonderful sermon.
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Now I have to stay
six feet away from him
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and do a air shake and...
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It's just not the same.
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Yeah, I've even wrote,
written in Liberty magazine
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about this dynamic,
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it troubles me a little bit
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because it's quite,
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it's a little bit
bigger than religion.
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You know, a handshake.
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You know, what a
handshake goes back to?
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I do not.
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Why do you shake
with your right hand?
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It's my dominant hand.
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It's your weapon hand.
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And so, in the medieval times
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when they started, you know,
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you would carry
your weapons with you,
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but if you put a hand
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that would carry
your sword normally,
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you were disarmed
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and the other
person was disarmed,
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and you will show
you're peaceful by that alone,
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and that's why one reason why
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there was this suspicion
of a left-handed person
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because he could
shake with his right hand
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and still wield his weapon.
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So you're showing
that you're disarmed,
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you're vulnerable.
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And this is social
convention that we've adopted.
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And now with COVID
and the distancing,
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we're unraveling
somewhat subliminal,
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even peaceful interchange,
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and I don't think it's good
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and certainly in
a worship context,
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where we're pulling
back, we're pulling back,
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but it's very good
that at least short term
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where we were home
watching on the screen.
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Some people are now
coming back to church
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under limited circumstances
and experiencing the fellowship
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that the Bible says forsake not.
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Tell me again what...
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I touched on it,
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but tell me as a young person,
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how overall,
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what's your
thoughts on this panic,
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which is real, but
maybe not for you so much.
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Young people don't feel it.
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They've heard many times
that it affects older people,
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or people with deep
underlying conditions,
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super obesity, or diabetes,
now the cancer treatment
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where the
immune system is broken
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but the young
person, not a real threat.
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So young people
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I sometimes think
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maybe are just
frustrated by this,
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like why all the bother,
it's not gonna affect me.
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But what do you?
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What's your
take on this overall?
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Honestly, for me,
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I agree with partly in the fact
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that it's just a huge bother.
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The masks are hard
to breathe through.
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They're uncomfortable
and some of them are.
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But mostly, I think
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it's the social
distancing that people are,
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especially young people
are getting sick and tired of,
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because as I said before,
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we can't hang out
with any of our friends.
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We can't do, we can't go to,
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for example, I know,
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girls for example
like to go shopping
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at the mall in giant groups.
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They can't do that.
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And men don't like to.
Young men or husbands stay.
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Young men like to
go, go to car shows
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and oogle and ogle
at the brand new cars
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that are there and
all the modifications.
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Yeah.
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We know, there's a
lot of restrictions.
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Yeah.
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So that's a
general social thing.
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But again, how do you think
this is affecting religion?
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Do you think it's just something
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we can live through
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or is there deep
threat religious practice?
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I believe in the long run.
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In the short run,
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it's something
we can live through.
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But in the long run,
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I believe at the
end of this whole thing.
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I mean, even think about it,
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our church was so
quick to just shut down
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as soon as the
government said so.
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Yeah.
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So I believe in the long run,
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we're going to suffer from it
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because the
government now knows that
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if they say shut
down, we'll shut down.
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That's the risk, isn't it,
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even if it wasn't done
with any particular agenda?
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We've shown that
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we're very compliant
maybe unnecessarily, so.
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I think at this late point
the government or many people,
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there's no one
government in government
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may have realized that
it was approached wrongly.
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You remember, we were told
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we didn't even
need to wear masks once,
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made no difference.
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We were also told to
inject bleach indoor assistance.
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Let's hope we were not told,
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that was an inference
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by a rather
irresponsible public official,
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but we won't dwell on that.
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But we've lived
through the funny time
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there's no question.
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Let's take a break
now and stay with us
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and come back
and with a young man
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getting an
interesting perspective
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on COVID-19
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from a young point of view,
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and also looking at it
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for its ramifications
on our practice of faith.
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