Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is your program
designed to open your awareness
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to religious liberty
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as it's practiced
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or even opposed all
around the world today
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and very often talking
about how it relates to events
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in the United States.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
Editor of Liberty Magazine,
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and my guest on the
program is Pastor Alden Ho,
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a man of the
world, born in Singapore,
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lived in Canada for
years and almost in the US now,
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based in Texas.
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That's a joke for those
living in other countries.
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Atlanta Lone Star
State, although once Mexico.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But we won't go too
far back in history.
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But you know,
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this is an
interesting world today,
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we're recording
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maybe best part
of six foot apart
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during a COVID sequence
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that I think will last
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at least another year worldwide.
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And one thing I've
picked up that while a lot,
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most of us are all worried
about not getting infected
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and the government
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in the United
States and Australia
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where I originally
grew up and Singapore,
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and places like that,
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you know, they've got
public health measures
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that are more
or less successful,
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very similar, just
differently applied.
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That's fine, but
there's plenty of evidence
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that some countries
that already had an agenda
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against religious
practice of one type or another
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are using this as cover
to further restrict religion.
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Have you picked
up on any of this?
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What are your thoughts on this?
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There's a lot of
this that's going on.
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It's...
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They're using this as a platform
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to now hone in on certain people
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to figure out things,
to invade your privacy.
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And it's not just here,
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it's happening
globally everywhere.
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Now, this was a
bit before COVID,
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where I
remember Hillary Clinton,
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when she was Secretary
of State went to China,
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one of her first adventures.
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And it was reported officially,
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that she told China
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that we were not
going to be as worried
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about civil
rights issues as before
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that we were not
linking that to trade.
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So I saw
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the first sign of trouble there.
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Not too long
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and it may well have
been just before COVID hit,
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but in the last few days,
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it's been released in a
infamous book by Bolton,
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that the President
told the President of China
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that it was fine for them
to detain the Uyghur Muslims,
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that this was the
right thing to do.
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Interesting.
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Whether or not the United States
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has formal detention
for religious dissidents,
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not officially,
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but we know that,
that Guantanamo continues.
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We know
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that illegal aliens of one
type or another are detained
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and it's probably inevitable.
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Perhaps even undercover of this
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that the people with a
different viewpoint/religion
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are going to be shuttled
off to a sort of a detention
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and nothing much you and I
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or most of our
viewers can do about it,
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but I think an
awareness and a shared awareness
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makes it less likely
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or less likely
to go unchallenged.
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I was just reading
last week that there is,
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they're still
detaining children,
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illegal immigrants that
come across from Mexico,
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they're detaining them.
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But this is, just like you said,
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this is all just part
of a preliminary check.
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Let's see if we
tell the world to jump.
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How high are
they willing to jump?
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I think so.
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And as we see who's on
board, who's not on board,
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then we'll put the screws
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to those who are not
really with the program
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and those who
are with the program,
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kind of use them as
the influential place
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to be able to do things.
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All this is happening
as the plan biblically
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to bring about the
soon coming of Christ
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but they don't know that.
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They're being
utilized by Satan right now.
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And in talking
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about what the
Bible speaks about.
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It talks about a time,
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at the end of time
when the natural relations
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between the parent and
the child are disrupted
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and the detention practice
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not just under this
recent administration,
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it predated of the few years,
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but has come out more and more.
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These illegal aliens,
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many of whom present themselves
legally at the border,
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escapes most people.
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There are many that
that go through the process,
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they come to the
border, they asked for asylum.
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And then they're
taken into custody.
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Many of those, in
fact in most cases,
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they will separate the
children from the parents
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and thousands
and thousands of them
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are kept apart for
months, a year or two,
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and a huge percentage of
them are then fostered out,
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they never see
their parents again.
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And it's easy to see this
as a bureaucratic breakdown,
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but I don't think so.
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I think there's more evidence
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that this is part
of a systemic plan
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to break down the resolve,
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and the family
affinities of people.
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And this is what
Satan is also working at
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to break down the family.
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I was picking up
on what you're saying.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, it's
not to pick on the US.
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These are human
reactions in different stresses
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and different
regimes that have authority
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tend to revert
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to these sort of
disruptive behaviors.
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It's kind of
like a pre-programming
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that they're trying
to do, pre-programming.
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Yeah, humans know
what makes human tick,
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human, other humans tick,
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and when they want
to disempower them,
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or discourage them,
you break the family down,
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you isolate them.
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And this is why I'm so troubled
about isolation during COVID.
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I mean, it's just
a tried and true way
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to break the resolve
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in the autonomy
of an individual.
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So we're in a very
dangerous, dangerous time.
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But again, back to the
point I'm trying to make,
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let's look at it globally,
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is religious or
I'll phrase it this way,
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do you think religious liberty
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and the COVID emergency
are two discrete things,
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or how are we already seeing
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and how may have they
sort of one effect the other?
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I, for me,
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I see this as
the people in general
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of different countries,
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see it as two different issues.
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But if you understand
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what the Bible is talking about,
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and if you understand
that there is an enemy,
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that Satan is doing everything
that he can in the last days.
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You will see that all of this
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are all part of one
big overlay of a merger,
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just different
overlays that are happening
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but when they're
laid down together,
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they're all part
of a bigger picture
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that many people are not seeing.
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So you have to look
at it through the eyes
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of what is Satan trying to do
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to take God's
people away from Him,
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to distract them,
to rewrite their mind,
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their thinking,
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and that's what God
is trying to write it
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in our hearts and in our minds,
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and Satan is doing
everything that he can
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to stop that from
going into our minds.
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You're talking about isolation.
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Absolutely.
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People are going stir
crazy as a result of that
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and they come
out just going crazy.
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They want to do something.
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When I was riding
across the United States
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on my bicycle.
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At first I
didn't see many people,
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but after about
three four weeks into it,
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I started seeing on weekdays...
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Repeat again because
this is another program
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and earlier when you
mentioned but you just...
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I did a bicycle ride from...
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Done something
quite unique, haven't you?
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Oh, not unique, but
special, very special.
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On March 31, I began a...
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I took a
sabbatical from ministry
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and I started to
ride my recumbent bicycle
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from San Diego,
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across the United States
to St. Augustine, Florida,
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2500 miles in 45 days.
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And when I reached
somewhere around West Texas,
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which was about
two, three weeks into it,
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this stir craziness of
people stuck in their homes
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because of the Coronavirus.
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At first, these
first couple weeks,
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I didn't see very much traffic.
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But as I started
getting into it more,
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you would usually
see motorcycle groups
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going out for a joy
ride on the weekend.
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But this is on a weekday
that people were going out,
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groups of these people,
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and I'm wondering
why are they doing this?
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And I talked with
them and they're saying,
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"We're just going
crazy sitting around at home,
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we got to do something."
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So and the best thing
that people don't realize is
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fresh air and sunshine.
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While I was
about to throw at you.
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I throw two best things.
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I had a doctor point
out the obvious thing.
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One of your defenses
against infection of any type,
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and including
COVID is vitamin D,
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which you get from sunlight,
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and it boosts
your immune system.
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So the surest way
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to knock the immune
system for a population
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is to keep them inside.
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And I thought
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what was very
interesting is I had,
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as I was journaling
this on a website platform.
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I had people commenting
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and they were some of
them were kind of sinister
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and they were being
not very nice to me saying,
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you need to stay at home.
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Health professionals are saying
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that you need to stay
at home shelter in place.
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And I'm wanting to say
to them, that's very ironic
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because riding on
either side of me right now
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are two ER doctors
without their masks
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and they've said themselves
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the best thing is fresh
air and sunshine for vitamin D.
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And so even they,
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the health professionals
are out there riding with me
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through all this.
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And even though
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you still need
to keep a distance,
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the wind is dynamic outside
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so the chances of contagion
are quite minimal outside.
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And your face to
face contact with people
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as you're riding across.
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I don't need to go to
the gas station and fuel.
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I have food with me.
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I might see one person
when I go to a campground
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checking in with me
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and then they're
behind a plexiglass thing.
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And then I'm in
a tent by myself.
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I'm trying to think
there's a Bible text that says,
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"They shall not
faint nor grow weary."
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But what about
pedaling now, you must have...
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Well, interestingly enough...
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Yeah, have some
muscle cramps here and there.
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Twenty five hundred miles,
I eat totally plant based.
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And I never took one painkiller.
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I didn't take any of that stuff,
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didn't take turmeric,
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didn't take any of
that stuff, just rode.
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Well, anyhow, good point.
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But let me go
international again.
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A lot of
countries in recent decades
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and some that I've
visited have clamped,
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choosing to
clamp down on religion
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by clamping down on entry visas
and so on for missionaries.
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In fact, a lot of them
don't want missionaries per Se.
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It has to be
locals running a mission
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or a religious program.
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This COVID, of course, is
going to increase the excuse
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that we don't want outsiders
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like even
Australia where I come from.
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I just read this morning,
now they're down to nearly,
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it's a little bit over 99%
I think foreigners kept out.
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It's just a trickle
of citizens coming in.
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And if you go to Australia,
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for 14 days you'll be in a hotel
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under the
quarantine that they want you.
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Have to be an Australian,
or family member, or friend,
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or someone
connected within Australia.
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This is pretty
much global though.
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When you go to someplace there,
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they're locking you
down self quarantined.
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Many countries,
not every country.
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Not everyone. But
anyhow that's my point.
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That's the extreme,
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but it's going to
mean that the foreigner,
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the stranger or
someone with an agenda
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from another country,
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why would you let them
in and it will seem logical,
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yes, we need to
protect ourselves.
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But it can be used two fold.
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It will be a clear restriction
of religious activity
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and this is a
process already began.
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My point is, it
began before the COVID,
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but this will give
strength to those countries
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that don't want missionaries
or other religious influence.
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And, of course, you
could turn it on its head.
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The US doesn't want
Muslim activists coming in
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spreading Islam in this country.
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We've locked them out.
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It's interesting that you said
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that this could go on
for another year or so.
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But I think that
this in phases of it,
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this is how it's going to
be, this is the world today.
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And this is going to
be the world tomorrow,
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and more things will continue
to come in and be introduced
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that will continue to restrict,
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remove away our
liberties, our freedoms,
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all these things
are going to happen.
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It's possible.
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And, you know, we hope not
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but the economy
is likely to crash.
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I mean, we've
shut the economy down,
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but there's an
economic effect of that.
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And if we have tens, hundreds,
perhaps even millions of people
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below the subsistence level,
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the government
will do what it did
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before World War II
with the WPA program.
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People were in basically
in the US in labor camps
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where they had to
abide by tough rules
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to get the government
handout, build roads and so on.
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But if you
didn't work on Saturday,
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Adventists were
given even mock executions
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and some of those things,
people have forgotten this.
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And yet, there's no
evidence at that time
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that the US had a
brief against religion.
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But once this model was
in people with in this case,
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a religious
conviction of Sabbath worship,
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didn't fit and quite persecuted.
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It's coming back again.
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So, yes, I
think there's a chance
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of quite
dangerous shifts like that.
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Stay with us.
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We'll be back
after a short break
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to continue this
global discussion.
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