Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
00:00:26.29\00:00:28.59
This is a program bringing
you news, views, discussion,
00:00:28.62\00:00:31.93
and analysis of
religious liberty events
00:00:31.96\00:00:34.30
in the US and around the world.
00:00:34.33\00:00:36.40
My name is Lincoln Steed,
editor of Liberty magazine.
00:00:36.43\00:00:40.30
And my guest on this program
is Attorney John Ashmeade,
00:00:40.34\00:00:44.81
you're the not long
minted Associate Director
00:00:44.84\00:00:50.51
of Public Affairs
and Religious Liberty
00:00:50.55\00:00:52.48
for the Adventist Church
in the Atlantic Union section,
00:00:52.51\00:00:57.45
which is the
northeast of the United States.
00:00:57.49\00:00:59.49
That's correct. That's correct.
00:00:59.52\00:01:01.32
And as I said,
you're an attorney.
00:01:01.36\00:01:03.46
So even though you're
not long in this position,
00:01:03.49\00:01:05.23
you've had a long
association with the law
00:01:05.26\00:01:08.40
and religious
liberty, I know that.
00:01:08.43\00:01:10.70
And you and I've
had many, many contacts.
00:01:10.73\00:01:14.54
Before the program that we
were talking about writers,
00:01:14.57\00:01:16.94
and writing skills, and
I didn't bring up poetry,
00:01:16.97\00:01:21.08
I love poetry.
00:01:21.11\00:01:22.64
And there's a poem that,
00:01:22.68\00:01:24.31
that I've often preached on
written by William Butler Yeats
00:01:24.35\00:01:28.22
around the time of World War I,
00:01:28.25\00:01:30.19
I think it was
called the Second Coming.
00:01:30.22\00:01:32.79
And he said in that poem,
he says, "Things fall apart,
00:01:32.82\00:01:35.86
the center cannot hold."
00:01:35.89\00:01:38.03
What do you think
about the situation today,
00:01:38.06\00:01:40.90
in particular, in
the United States,
00:01:40.93\00:01:42.53
when we look at
religious liberty,
00:01:42.56\00:01:44.27
civil liberties, the
whole panoply of freedoms
00:01:44.30\00:01:47.47
and the construct that makes
things work and enable freedom?
00:01:47.50\00:01:51.81
Sure, you know, a few years ago,
00:01:51.84\00:01:54.08
I looked at a YouTube video
with Justice Scalia testifying
00:01:54.11\00:01:58.81
before Congress, and...
00:01:58.85\00:02:00.82
Always very entertaining.
Always very entertaining.
00:02:00.85\00:02:03.55
And the fascinating thing was,
00:02:03.59\00:02:05.29
he was talking about
really what makes America great.
00:02:05.32\00:02:08.09
And I know
that's a theme that's...
00:02:08.12\00:02:10.63
Maybe he suggested the
developing theme later.
00:02:10.66\00:02:13.09
Perhaps, but, you know,
00:02:13.13\00:02:14.46
what he talked about
was the checks and balances
00:02:14.50\00:02:18.07
that we have in our system,
00:02:18.10\00:02:20.14
the division of government
between the legislative,
00:02:20.17\00:02:22.40
the judicial, and the executive.
00:02:22.44\00:02:25.34
And, you know, he
pointed to that as something
00:02:25.37\00:02:28.04
that really has held us together
00:02:28.08\00:02:30.01
as a nation
unlike other countries.
00:02:30.05\00:02:32.75
And so, you know,
00:02:32.78\00:02:34.12
I thought about that
and I said, you know what?
00:02:34.15\00:02:36.38
Let me, let's analyze
and look at our country
00:02:36.42\00:02:40.42
in light of what he said
00:02:40.46\00:02:41.82
because I think
it's very similar
00:02:41.86\00:02:43.53
to what Ellen G.
White talked about.
00:02:43.56\00:02:46.03
'Cause Ellen G. White,
00:02:46.06\00:02:47.90
the visionary prophet
that helped to establish
00:02:47.93\00:02:51.33
the Seventh-day
Adventist Church.
00:02:51.37\00:02:52.70
And she also had the
same view of what made,
00:02:52.73\00:02:54.84
you know, America great as well.
00:02:54.87\00:02:56.91
And so, you know, if we
look at our country in light
00:02:56.94\00:03:01.38
of that statement,
00:03:01.41\00:03:02.74
and all the issues that
are sort of percolating,
00:03:02.78\00:03:05.15
you know, the subjects
like immigration, abortion,
00:03:05.18\00:03:07.52
and all those things,
you know, I think that,
00:03:07.55\00:03:10.09
you know, we're still kind
of holding together pretty well.
00:03:10.12\00:03:13.32
Things aren't as bad as
many people may want them
00:03:13.36\00:03:15.62
to appear to be.
00:03:15.66\00:03:16.99
This is going to
be a unique program
00:03:17.03\00:03:18.36
for Liberty Insider.
00:03:18.39\00:03:19.73
Upbeat, no, no, I like to think
it's positive, but it's true,
00:03:19.76\00:03:24.40
not everything's bad.
00:03:24.43\00:03:26.87
And you're right,
00:03:26.90\00:03:28.47
if you look at
things analytically,
00:03:28.50\00:03:30.04
it's the half...
00:03:30.07\00:03:31.41
The glass half
empty or half full.
00:03:31.44\00:03:33.31
I don't think anybody's
naive enough to say that,
00:03:33.34\00:03:36.44
you know, it's all
sweetness and light.
00:03:36.48\00:03:38.41
By any means,
there's a lot of tension.
00:03:38.45\00:03:39.78
You referred to
the abortion debate.
00:03:39.81\00:03:42.52
I mean, that's
visceral for many people
00:03:42.55\00:03:45.05
and being very divisive.
00:03:45.09\00:03:47.49
So you think it's coming
along okay on a certain level?
00:03:47.52\00:03:50.99
You know, I think
the system is working,
00:03:51.03\00:03:53.19
I think the system works
best when there is that tension,
00:03:53.23\00:03:55.86
I think that's what the
founding fathers wanted.
00:03:55.90\00:03:57.97
They wanted rigorous
debate to take place.
00:03:58.00\00:04:01.50
They'd, you know,
00:04:01.54\00:04:02.87
because if that's not occurring,
00:04:02.90\00:04:04.24
if there aren't opposing views,
then power becomes centralized.
00:04:04.27\00:04:07.44
And I think that's
really the danger for us.
00:04:07.48\00:04:09.81
And so, you know,
you need a congress
00:04:09.84\00:04:12.35
where there is a
strong Democratic Party,
00:04:12.38\00:04:14.82
a strong Republican Party,
00:04:14.85\00:04:16.18
and they're really going
at it, you know, with issues,
00:04:16.22\00:04:19.05
and there are times
where they're standstill,
00:04:19.09\00:04:20.76
we can't make progress
00:04:20.79\00:04:22.12
because the
debate is so intense.
00:04:22.16\00:04:23.96
And, you know, neither side
can really gain the advantage.
00:04:23.99\00:04:27.40
I think that
keeps us on the straight
00:04:27.43\00:04:29.10
and narrow path.
00:04:29.13\00:04:30.47
And when you have a situation
where one party dominates or,
00:04:30.50\00:04:33.70
you know, one branch
of government dominates,
00:04:33.74\00:04:36.17
I think that's where
we run into problems.
00:04:36.20\00:04:38.61
It's...
00:04:38.64\00:04:39.97
I mean, what you're
saying is very true.
00:04:40.01\00:04:41.34
I love the US history.
00:04:41.38\00:04:42.78
And well, I was
born in another country
00:04:42.81\00:04:45.48
and came here in my teens,
00:04:45.51\00:04:47.45
and then actually went
back to Australia for a while.
00:04:47.48\00:04:49.75
You know, I focused
on American history,
00:04:49.78\00:04:51.65
and I found it very interesting
whereas Australian history
00:04:51.69\00:04:54.42
which I own, you know, it
was fine, my own homeland,
00:04:54.46\00:04:56.59
it was very...
00:04:56.62\00:04:57.96
There wasn't much drama to
it, we have a very good history,
00:04:57.99\00:05:00.56
there's just so much going on.
00:05:00.60\00:05:02.46
And, you know, when we get
at what you're talking about,
00:05:02.50\00:05:05.37
the way it was set up,
00:05:05.40\00:05:07.17
it's sort of a
mixed bag it seems to me.
00:05:07.20\00:05:08.80
On one level,
there's more emulation
00:05:08.84\00:05:12.44
or cupping than people recognize
00:05:12.47\00:05:14.28
of the British system.
00:05:14.31\00:05:15.64
They didn't really
throw it overboard.
00:05:15.68\00:05:17.65
You know, the House of Lords,
the House of Commons is easily
00:05:17.68\00:05:20.75
paralleled by the Congress
00:05:20.78\00:05:24.19
and the Senate
and the high court
00:05:24.22\00:05:27.72
in England to say.
00:05:27.76\00:05:29.09
But they bought
00:05:29.12\00:05:30.46
more of a freewheeling
attitude toward here.
00:05:30.49\00:05:32.43
Plus consciously,
they wanted to reflect
00:05:32.46\00:05:36.20
not so much the wishes,
00:05:36.23\00:05:37.57
but the good and the will
of the people filtered through.
00:05:37.60\00:05:42.10
Right. Right?
00:05:42.14\00:05:43.51
Right. But I, yeah...
00:05:43.54\00:05:44.87
Most people don't understand it.
00:05:44.91\00:05:46.24
Ever since Bush v.
00:05:46.27\00:05:47.61
Gore, in 2000, I hear
people parroting the idea
00:05:47.64\00:05:50.45
we in a weird democracy.
00:05:50.48\00:05:51.81
No, it's not a
democracy in the classic sense.
00:05:51.85\00:05:54.68
These guys were afraid
of the people or the bulk
00:05:54.72\00:05:58.65
of the people wanting
something reflexively.
00:05:58.69\00:06:00.96
It was designed to
thwart their wishes short term,
00:06:00.99\00:06:03.69
at least, the balance of powers
00:06:03.73\00:06:07.50
between Congress
or the legislative,
00:06:07.53\00:06:11.57
and the
executive, and the judicial
00:06:11.60\00:06:13.87
was designed to
slow things down,
00:06:13.90\00:06:15.60
and just thwart
the rise to power.
00:06:15.64\00:06:17.54
Right, right, exactly.
00:06:17.57\00:06:18.91
Let me throw in
something to get your comment.
00:06:18.94\00:06:20.61
At the same time,
00:06:20.64\00:06:22.34
they had a
hankering for the whole world.
00:06:22.38\00:06:23.98
Remember, they
offered George Washington
00:06:24.01\00:06:26.31
the kingship of America.
00:06:26.35\00:06:27.88
Right.
00:06:27.92\00:06:29.72
And, you know, to his
credit, he turned it down,
00:06:29.75\00:06:32.39
whether it was purely
from humility or recognition,
00:06:32.42\00:06:38.59
he would be getting himself
into trouble with the people,
00:06:38.63\00:06:41.16
I don't know.
00:06:41.20\00:06:43.13
But it tells me that while they
had these high ideals designed
00:06:43.16\00:06:46.80
to, you know,
00:06:46.84\00:06:48.24
to disrupt and to
thwart people rising the path.
00:06:48.27\00:06:51.01
Yet right off the bat,
00:06:51.04\00:06:52.37
they were willing
to give that power.
00:06:52.41\00:06:54.41
And, maybe it's
the contradictions
00:06:54.44\00:06:57.01
of human nature writ large.
00:06:57.05\00:06:59.01
You know, I think when you look,
00:06:59.05\00:07:00.82
you mentioned your
homeland of Australia,
00:07:00.85\00:07:03.55
they have a parliamentary system
00:07:03.59\00:07:04.95
where the executive
is sort of still align
00:07:04.99\00:07:08.39
with the legislative.
00:07:08.42\00:07:09.76
And so his future or his
or her future sort of tied
00:07:09.79\00:07:13.66
to how his political party...
00:07:13.70\00:07:15.23
His future could be
same day. He could be out.
00:07:15.26\00:07:17.67
Right, he could be
out, and I think, you know,
00:07:17.70\00:07:21.74
the American system in my
view is a little bit better
00:07:21.77\00:07:24.87
because you have that
independence between the two,
00:07:24.91\00:07:27.91
and you have
that rigorous debate
00:07:27.94\00:07:29.94
that takes
place between the two.
00:07:29.98\00:07:31.31
And I think
that's healthy and good.
00:07:31.35\00:07:33.65
I'll buy that, but
my say is different,
00:07:33.68\00:07:35.78
they have different
strengths. I'm not buying it.
00:07:35.82\00:07:37.65
Well, we will
see, in the US system,
00:07:37.69\00:07:42.59
I know history,
00:07:42.62\00:07:43.96
I don't want to
point to present problem
00:07:43.99\00:07:45.33
or even drag up
some from the past,
00:07:45.36\00:07:47.73
but this with the
presidential power,
00:07:47.76\00:07:50.57
you got four years,
love it or leave it.
00:07:50.60\00:07:54.30
And if the power was
abused for four years,
00:07:54.34\00:07:57.31
what can you do about it? Right.
00:07:57.34\00:07:58.74
So...
00:07:58.77\00:08:00.11
So it takes care
of itself very quickly
00:08:00.14\00:08:01.48
in the British system.
00:08:01.51\00:08:02.84
I like what you're
saying, if the power is abused,
00:08:02.88\00:08:04.21
what can you do about it?
00:08:04.25\00:08:05.58
You have the judiciary,
00:08:05.61\00:08:07.05
and yet the legislative branches
00:08:07.08\00:08:09.55
who can intervene
and control that power.
00:08:09.58\00:08:12.45
So I think...
00:08:12.49\00:08:13.82
That's what I'm
saying all the time.
00:08:13.86\00:08:15.79
Presidents don't
always get what they want.
00:08:15.82\00:08:18.79
Yeah, I thought
to give you a bit,
00:08:18.83\00:08:20.40
but what I was
fishing for... Right.
00:08:20.43\00:08:22.03
Nobody's ever been
successfully impeached.
00:08:22.06\00:08:24.73
Right.
00:08:24.77\00:08:26.10
So it's very theoretical,
and then in practice,
00:08:26.13\00:08:29.60
especially if the
President's party is on site,
00:08:29.64\00:08:34.08
well, then he's untouchable.
00:08:34.11\00:08:36.08
And you and I often
speak about religious liberty,
00:08:36.11\00:08:39.71
we talk about the judiciary,
00:08:39.75\00:08:41.15
and I'm bringing
this up for a reason.
00:08:41.18\00:08:43.85
In reality, it's a
very blunt instrument
00:08:43.89\00:08:46.19
to control executive power,
00:08:46.22\00:08:48.26
has to wait for by
and large for stuff
00:08:48.29\00:08:51.19
to come up through the system.
00:08:51.23\00:08:53.13
And then they have to
deal with that, and it can,
00:08:53.16\00:08:55.23
of course, has ramifications.
00:08:55.26\00:08:56.60
But no, by my take
the Supreme Court is a...
00:08:56.63\00:09:03.07
It responds, it
doesn't initiate much.
00:09:03.10\00:09:06.07
And yet the popular view
that's being spread around
00:09:06.11\00:09:08.71
is they're
legislating from the bench.
00:09:08.74\00:09:10.21
I don't see that. Right.
00:09:10.25\00:09:11.91
So here's what I
would say, you know,
00:09:11.95\00:09:14.65
Congress has a
significant amount of power
00:09:14.68\00:09:17.72
to control the executive branch.
00:09:17.75\00:09:21.19
Remember, the
president runs all the agencies.
00:09:21.22\00:09:23.66
And so, you know,
Congress can bring them in,
00:09:23.69\00:09:26.70
have them testify,
explain what they're doing.
00:09:26.73\00:09:28.86
There's some
oversight that takes place.
00:09:28.90\00:09:31.00
And, you know, so that's
another means of controlling
00:09:31.03\00:09:34.17
what the
executive branch is doing.
00:09:34.20\00:09:37.14
If the US wants to go to war,
00:09:37.17\00:09:38.81
the president just
snaps his fingers, right?
00:09:38.84\00:09:40.88
Well, that's, you know,
00:09:40.91\00:09:44.41
that's an open
debate that's been ongoing
00:09:44.45\00:09:46.05
and depending on
which party has the power.
00:09:46.08\00:09:47.85
Another debate
from the Constitution.
00:09:47.88\00:09:49.22
Right, exactly, exactly.
00:09:49.25\00:09:51.45
Now it's a good system.
00:09:51.49\00:09:52.82
But what I'm
facetiously bringing up.
00:09:52.85\00:09:56.62
We're already in a model
00:09:56.66\00:09:58.83
that I think will
characterize likely the future,
00:09:58.86\00:10:01.56
especially in relation
to what the Bible seems
00:10:01.60\00:10:03.67
to say about end-time events.
00:10:03.70\00:10:05.03
Sure.
00:10:05.07\00:10:06.40
Particularly on the US,
but generally in the world,
00:10:06.43\00:10:09.04
those sort of things can
easily be enabled in the US
00:10:09.07\00:10:11.37
by just ignoring
the Constitution.
00:10:11.41\00:10:13.27
And we're already in a dynamic
00:10:13.31\00:10:15.28
we're on many fronts, not least,
00:10:15.31\00:10:16.78
of which the war
powers of the presidency
00:10:16.81\00:10:20.18
which have been assumed.
00:10:20.22\00:10:23.18
The Constitution is not really
as operative as people imagine.
00:10:23.22\00:10:26.15
Right.
00:10:26.19\00:10:27.52
I think what
you're saying is that,
00:10:27.56\00:10:28.99
you know, one of
the branches is shirking
00:10:29.02\00:10:31.36
its responsibilities, I think.
00:10:31.39\00:10:32.73
Right. You're a lawyer.
00:10:32.76\00:10:34.10
And my take on lawyers
00:10:34.13\00:10:35.53
is they live and
die on precedent.
00:10:35.56\00:10:37.83
Right.
00:10:37.87\00:10:39.20
And if you do
something to get away with it,
00:10:39.23\00:10:40.74
you can more easily
get away with it again.
00:10:40.77\00:10:42.57
Right.
00:10:42.60\00:10:43.94
And that's what
we're seeing in government,
00:10:43.97\00:10:45.31
not just by the president,
00:10:45.34\00:10:46.68
I'm not picking on
our present president
00:10:46.71\00:10:48.04
or any of them,
but just observing it,
00:10:48.08\00:10:50.51
there's been a
growing presidential power
00:10:50.55\00:10:52.35
because they've just done
stuff and gotten away with it.
00:10:52.38\00:10:55.52
The judiciary, not so
much, but a little bit.
00:10:55.55\00:11:00.26
And it's interesting
that I think the legislators
00:11:00.29\00:11:03.93
have become more
and more fractious.
00:11:03.96\00:11:07.60
But they're not
really doing as much.
00:11:07.63\00:11:10.43
And yet, you mentioned
Ellen White before writing,
00:11:10.47\00:11:14.67
I think, under
inspiration to early Adventist.
00:11:14.70\00:11:16.71
She said that one of
the worst developments
00:11:16.74\00:11:20.84
that's predicted in the Bible,
00:11:20.88\00:11:22.28
and that she
elaborated on the Sunday law
00:11:22.31\00:11:24.51
or in other
words, strong religious,
00:11:24.55\00:11:26.55
partisan religious
legislation in the US
00:11:26.58\00:11:29.22
will come
through the legislature
00:11:29.25\00:11:32.49
when people directly push them.
00:11:32.52\00:11:33.86
Right.
00:11:33.89\00:11:35.22
So at the moment,
00:11:35.26\00:11:36.59
I don't really
see that tendency.
00:11:36.62\00:11:37.96
Right.
00:11:37.99\00:11:39.33
No, I don't see
that happening right now.
00:11:39.36\00:11:40.70
I think, you know,
00:11:40.73\00:11:42.06
we see some signs
00:11:42.10\00:11:43.43
that should be concerning to us.
00:11:43.47\00:11:44.80
But, you know,
the sort of alliance
00:11:44.83\00:11:47.57
that Ellen G. White predicted
hasn't necessarily occurred.
00:11:47.60\00:11:52.37
You know, and look, things can,
things can happen very quickly.
00:11:52.41\00:11:56.75
We've learned that since 9/11.
00:11:56.78\00:11:58.25
We've learned that since
9/11, but, you know, right now,
00:11:58.28\00:12:01.02
things remain relatively stable.
00:12:01.05\00:12:03.65
And, you know,
00:12:03.69\00:12:05.02
I know that people are
predicting some bad things
00:12:05.05\00:12:07.26
and they see some things,
00:12:07.29\00:12:08.62
but they're not
necessarily there.
00:12:08.66\00:12:10.19
I think, you know, the
system remains intact, you know,
00:12:10.23\00:12:15.10
there still remains
a separation of church
00:12:15.13\00:12:17.07
and state that is healthy,
00:12:17.10\00:12:19.57
you know, we are debating
that issue in this country
00:12:19.60\00:12:22.10
even more and more each day,
00:12:22.14\00:12:23.74
and trying to figure
out the right balance.
00:12:23.77\00:12:26.54
And in any system,
00:12:26.57\00:12:28.08
there are times when
you're going to go too far
00:12:28.11\00:12:29.68
to the left,
you're going to go too far
00:12:29.71\00:12:31.31
to the right.
00:12:31.35\00:12:32.68
But there, you know, we always
sort of balance out, you know,
00:12:32.71\00:12:35.68
I look at this country,
00:12:35.72\00:12:37.05
there are times
where you have one party
00:12:37.09\00:12:38.42
dominating the entire system.
00:12:38.45\00:12:40.29
And, you know,
00:12:40.32\00:12:41.66
the American people
have a way of remedying that,
00:12:41.69\00:12:43.53
and they go to the
polls, and before you know it,
00:12:43.56\00:12:46.46
the president no longer
has the Congress behind him.
00:12:46.49\00:12:49.40
And, you know,
now he's got to fight
00:12:49.43\00:12:52.53
to get his agenda across
00:12:52.57\00:12:54.27
or, you know, a few years later,
00:12:54.30\00:12:56.57
the makeup of the court changes.
00:12:56.60\00:12:59.17
And, you know,
with the president,
00:12:59.21\00:13:00.94
his agenda is
impacted by the court as well.
00:13:00.98\00:13:04.18
You know, I think it's
easy to prove that the world
00:13:04.21\00:13:07.18
as a whole, if not,
00:13:07.22\00:13:09.05
the United States is in
a time of great turmoil,
00:13:09.08\00:13:12.55
and flex, and conflict.
00:13:12.59\00:13:15.42
And, you know,
00:13:15.46\00:13:16.79
I read plenty of
books of history,
00:13:16.83\00:13:18.16
and especially the
hardcover coffee table ones
00:13:18.19\00:13:20.50
that usually
have an overall title.
00:13:20.53\00:13:22.23
And the one that
made an impression on me
00:13:22.26\00:13:24.90
was the Age of Revolution.
00:13:24.93\00:13:27.04
I remember one of the book.
00:13:27.07\00:13:28.40
I think we're in
the age of revolution.
00:13:28.44\00:13:30.01
Okay.
00:13:30.04\00:13:31.37
Oh, can be overturned,
is being overturned rapidly.
00:13:31.41\00:13:34.48
I mean, it's not that many years
00:13:34.51\00:13:35.84
since the Soviet Union gone.
00:13:35.88\00:13:37.45
Right.
00:13:37.48\00:13:39.81
And, you know, in Africa,
00:13:39.85\00:13:42.12
for example, you
often see regimes,
00:13:42.15\00:13:43.85
South Africa, who
would have imagined
00:13:43.89\00:13:45.29
that repressive apartheid
regime could go so quickly,
00:13:45.32\00:13:49.26
and with just barely a whimper.
00:13:49.29\00:13:51.43
And, you know,
we write that large.
00:13:51.46\00:13:53.33
It's not impossible
that even in the US, well,
00:13:53.36\00:13:56.20
it appears stable now, we
could have a radical shift.
00:13:56.23\00:13:58.70
But at the moment,
yeah, I think you'll agree.
00:13:58.73\00:14:01.60
The Bible talks about
a little time of peace.
00:14:01.64\00:14:03.84
I think we... In
some ways we're in that.
00:14:03.87\00:14:06.17
I think, you know,
00:14:06.21\00:14:07.54
what our
understanding of prophecy is
00:14:07.58\00:14:09.44
that at some point, the
religious viewpoint will,
00:14:09.48\00:14:12.61
it will start to dominate.
00:14:12.65\00:14:14.55
And, you know, the question
is, has that really occurred?
00:14:14.58\00:14:17.35
Big question.
00:14:17.39\00:14:18.72
Let's take a break
with that question in mind,
00:14:18.75\00:14:20.82
come back, and we'll
continue this discussion,
00:14:20.86\00:14:23.43
a very positive, I think,
00:14:23.46\00:14:25.26
practical look
at what's happening
00:14:25.29\00:14:26.76
in the United States today.
00:14:26.80\00:14:28.13