Welcome back to the Liberty Insider. 00:00:05.17\00:00:06.94 Before the break, 00:00:06.97\00:00:08.30 we were deep in the weeds of describing and discussing 00:00:08.34\00:00:13.14 the English and the French enlightenment leaders, 00:00:13.17\00:00:17.88 and trying to help our readers see in this an explanation 00:00:17.91\00:00:22.92 as to why the England and then the United States 00:00:22.95\00:00:26.09 went to different direction from France 00:00:26.12\00:00:28.29 and other parts of Europe at the time of Revolution. 00:00:28.32\00:00:31.63 Yes, it's very important to understand 00:00:31.66\00:00:33.56 that 19th century background 00:00:33.60\00:00:35.03 if we want to understand where we are today 00:00:35.06\00:00:37.60 because as I said in the previous segment 00:00:37.63\00:00:40.70 while the America and Britain were experiencing 00:00:40.74\00:00:44.24 a religious awakening, 00:00:44.27\00:00:46.61 in Europe, they were having all these philosophies, 00:00:46.64\00:00:48.88 secular philosophies, secular religions actually 00:00:48.91\00:00:51.31 if we want to be precise, 00:00:51.35\00:00:52.88 it is those secular religions or philosophies 00:00:52.91\00:00:56.08 that came to America after the Second World War 00:00:56.12\00:00:59.35 and dominated the American universities. 00:00:59.39\00:01:01.56 Now why did they come to America after the war? 00:01:01.59\00:01:04.36 After the war? 00:01:04.39\00:01:07.06 Good question. 00:01:07.10\00:01:09.23 America has always, again, 00:01:09.26\00:01:11.70 it had that great Christian influence. 00:01:11.73\00:01:14.40 American philosophy was not big in building systems, 00:01:14.44\00:01:17.41 you know, big philosophies. 00:01:17.44\00:01:20.28 And there was also a large Christian influence, 00:01:20.31\00:01:23.98 so they were really attracted to this very powerful and deep, 00:01:24.01\00:01:28.45 you know, anybody who read the Germans, 00:01:28.48\00:01:30.35 they are very, very deep. 00:01:30.39\00:01:32.19 And so those really fascinating Heidegger 00:01:32.22\00:01:35.42 and Friedrich Nietzschehe, he speaks about those things. 00:01:35.46\00:01:38.69 And basically, Nietzschehe... I think... 00:01:38.73\00:01:40.43 Good question, I think, I get my point. 00:01:40.46\00:01:43.06 Nietzschehe basically is the guy 00:01:43.10\00:01:44.70 who said God is dead. 00:01:44.73\00:01:46.40 Yeah. 00:01:46.43\00:01:47.77 So you cannot have the rule of the experts. 00:01:47.80\00:01:50.91 You cannot have the intellectuals dominant 00:01:50.94\00:01:53.78 if God is there. 00:01:53.81\00:01:55.54 So in a way, they attracted to that. 00:01:55.58\00:01:57.45 And that's my personal view. 00:01:57.48\00:01:58.81 They attracted to the theories of Heidegger and Nietzschehe 00:01:58.85\00:02:01.52 because Nietzschehe basically says, "God is dead. 00:02:01.55\00:02:04.29 We human beings, we have got to be God." 00:02:04.32\00:02:06.49 Yeah. With a Superman. 00:02:06.52\00:02:07.86 Yes, so during this... 00:02:07.89\00:02:09.92 After the Second World War, 00:02:09.96\00:02:11.29 we have all this social engineering 00:02:11.33\00:02:13.36 and who is engineering the society, 00:02:13.40\00:02:15.56 is the academics, the intellectuals, 00:02:15.60\00:02:17.67 basically, they have taken the place of who? 00:02:17.70\00:02:19.80 The place of God. 00:02:19.83\00:02:21.17 And so to me, those theories are very attractive, 00:02:21.20\00:02:24.17 and that's why, even French philosophers, 00:02:24.21\00:02:26.27 that's why they supported this totalitarian regimes. 00:02:26.31\00:02:29.14 Many, many, they support Marxism. 00:02:29.18\00:02:31.15 Why do they like Marxism? 00:02:31.18\00:02:32.85 Because Marxism, 00:02:32.88\00:02:34.22 it's a religion of the intellectuals. 00:02:34.25\00:02:36.72 I'll tell you why I asked you the question. 00:02:36.75\00:02:38.69 Maybe... 00:02:38.72\00:02:40.06 I don't know whether I answered it. 00:02:40.09\00:02:41.49 Because it's a sad reality that after America 00:02:41.52\00:02:46.46 as a liberal democracy entered the war in Europe late, 00:02:46.49\00:02:52.67 there's a whole story why late, you know, people like to say, 00:02:52.70\00:02:56.17 "The greatest generation that defeated Hitler." 00:02:56.20\00:02:58.37 Well, they did, but it's sort of crazy 00:02:58.41\00:03:01.04 that America stayed out of it 00:03:01.08\00:03:02.41 and actually was very sympathetic to Germany 00:03:02.44\00:03:04.68 through much of the war. 00:03:04.71\00:03:06.72 And we only entered when Japan forced our hand. 00:03:06.75\00:03:09.65 But when the war was over, 00:03:09.68\00:03:11.72 when the Nazi excesses came to light, 00:03:11.75\00:03:15.52 they were not really known before then, 00:03:15.56\00:03:19.56 amazingly, the US government, at least parts of it, 00:03:19.59\00:03:23.33 brought many of the... 00:03:23.37\00:03:25.30 even the medical experts had been experimenting on inmates, 00:03:25.33\00:03:29.87 brought them across. 00:03:29.90\00:03:31.24 They brought the scientists across. 00:03:31.27\00:03:33.61 And Wernher von Braun, demonstrably, 00:03:33.64\00:03:37.81 a war criminal, has became one of the great heroes 00:03:37.85\00:03:40.02 of American space endeavors. 00:03:40.05\00:03:42.48 So there was a lot going on where we sort of absolved. 00:03:42.52\00:03:47.86 We thought the best but with it, 00:03:47.89\00:03:49.32 perhaps the worst of what was going on in Germany. 00:03:49.36\00:03:51.46 So why at that same time 00:03:51.49\00:03:53.60 did we take their philosophical thought? 00:03:53.63\00:03:56.77 Yes, you know, the German universities, 00:03:56.80\00:03:58.50 we've got to recognize one thing. 00:03:58.53\00:03:59.87 They were the leading universities in the world. 00:03:59.90\00:04:02.64 You know, they led in the sciences and the like. 00:04:02.67\00:04:05.54 They were the cutting-edge in the sciences 00:04:05.57\00:04:08.11 and in the philosophy also. 00:04:08.14\00:04:10.05 And so many of them, of course, they ran. 00:04:10.08\00:04:12.15 They ran away from Hitler. 00:04:12.18\00:04:14.38 We had a lot of this that came over here. 00:04:14.42\00:04:16.35 Yeah. That could be that simple. 00:04:16.38\00:04:18.15 So they came also with their problems, of course, 00:04:18.19\00:04:22.69 you cannot separate your thoughts, 00:04:22.72\00:04:25.43 your philosophy from your background. 00:04:25.46\00:04:28.13 And it was influenced by the problems 00:04:28.16\00:04:29.90 that were first in Germany 00:04:29.93\00:04:31.53 which were different from the problems in America. 00:04:31.57\00:04:34.04 In America, religion and politics 00:04:34.07\00:04:36.14 were not really at war. 00:04:36.17\00:04:37.81 That's why people did not have a problem, 00:04:37.84\00:04:39.57 for example, with prayer in schools before the 60s 00:04:39.61\00:04:43.31 because it has always been like that. 00:04:43.35\00:04:45.91 But there was the culture war, 00:04:45.95\00:04:47.62 you know, with Bismarck and some wars, 00:04:47.65\00:04:52.65 theological-political conflicts in France, 00:04:52.69\00:04:55.76 basically, they imported those problems into America. 00:04:55.79\00:04:58.83 Yeah, now you answered it. 00:04:58.86\00:05:00.20 It was clearly the exodus of the academics 00:05:00.23\00:05:02.76 at the same time that came here. 00:05:02.80\00:05:04.80 And actually, you can see the decomposition 00:05:04.83\00:05:07.27 of American culture begins actually in the '70s. 00:05:07.30\00:05:11.11 That's where we actually had... 00:05:11.14\00:05:12.74 It's mid '60s, '66. 00:05:12.77\00:05:14.98 Yes, '66, I know that you like '66, '66, for me, 00:05:15.01\00:05:20.18 I think that the last '60s was so much the sowing time 00:05:20.22\00:05:23.08 in the universities. 00:05:23.12\00:05:24.45 But really, the whole thing 00:05:24.49\00:05:26.15 about identity, feminism, and all that, 00:05:26.19\00:05:28.72 it actually permeates the broader culture 00:05:28.76\00:05:31.93 in the '70s. 00:05:31.96\00:05:33.29 And today, we're actually... 00:05:33.33\00:05:34.66 If it was sowing time, I would say that America, right now, 00:05:34.70\00:05:37.73 is harvesting that radical liberalism, 00:05:37.77\00:05:41.04 the radical individualism. 00:05:41.07\00:05:43.24 And we should know that 00:05:43.27\00:05:44.97 the idea of an individual your liberty, 00:05:45.01\00:05:48.01 we get that from the Bible. 00:05:48.04\00:05:50.15 All the other religions... 00:05:50.18\00:05:51.51 I once mentioned to somebody, and people are not aware that 00:05:51.55\00:05:53.82 when we speak of the individual as separate from the group... 00:05:53.85\00:05:57.49 In my African tradition, 00:05:57.52\00:05:59.12 it's not the individual who is important. 00:05:59.15\00:06:01.39 It is the group. That's right. 00:06:01.42\00:06:03.32 And in all societies, they've always believed, 00:06:03.36\00:06:06.09 they have always operated in this group identity. 00:06:06.13\00:06:09.13 And we're having the same thing, tribalism. 00:06:09.16\00:06:12.03 The idea of the individual, 00:06:12.07\00:06:13.44 it first comes with early Christianity within the gospel. 00:06:13.47\00:06:15.97 Yes, Christianity. 00:06:16.00\00:06:17.34 That's not as obvious in the Old Testament, I think. 00:06:17.37\00:06:18.91 Yes, yes, but in the New Testament... 00:06:18.94\00:06:20.44 The dignity of the individual is there, but still the... 00:06:20.48\00:06:23.88 There was a story of the Jewish people 00:06:23.91\00:06:26.68 and of the believers as a group. 00:06:26.72\00:06:30.39 Yes, Christ comes and says that, 00:06:30.42\00:06:32.05 "I did not come to bring peace, 00:06:32.09\00:06:33.89 to separate the men from His wife and children." 00:06:33.92\00:06:36.96 And so it is from that idea. 00:06:36.99\00:06:39.09 They were told to leave everything 00:06:39.13\00:06:40.76 when He called the disciples, 00:06:40.80\00:06:42.13 they were called to leave everything, their family, 00:06:42.16\00:06:44.17 and to stand as individuals. 00:06:44.20\00:06:45.70 You're talking about, it comes with Christianity 00:06:45.73\00:06:47.30 or say even it's says in the Old Testament 00:06:47.34\00:06:49.07 because the prophets were lonely men. 00:06:49.10\00:06:51.01 They were individuals against the group. 00:06:51.04\00:06:54.21 So the idea of an individual is not just ending alone. 00:06:54.24\00:06:57.08 This is most important. 00:06:57.11\00:06:58.45 Whether in the Old Testament or in the New Testament, 00:06:58.48\00:07:00.82 individual is not standing alone. 00:07:00.85\00:07:02.88 As Kierkegaard says is that, "An individual before God." 00:07:02.92\00:07:07.32 So it was not a radical liberalism 00:07:07.36\00:07:09.96 where you just do what you want. 00:07:09.99\00:07:12.69 The radical individualism, 00:07:12.73\00:07:14.30 it's not just an individual without any laws. 00:07:14.33\00:07:17.60 And so what has happened with this radical thought 00:07:17.63\00:07:20.60 that we have in the American universities 00:07:20.64\00:07:22.27 that assess the individual who is a God-like figure 00:07:22.30\00:07:25.61 that comes from nature 00:07:25.64\00:07:27.28 within the Newton, Locke tradition 00:07:27.31\00:07:30.51 is an individual and the God. 00:07:30.55\00:07:32.38 And so what we're having today, we've got to ask ourselves, 00:07:32.41\00:07:36.12 "How do we solve these problems of radical individualism?" 00:07:36.15\00:07:39.22 And to me, I don't think they can be solved by legislation. 00:07:39.25\00:07:44.33 I think... 00:07:44.36\00:07:45.69 Let me throw something wild in it. 00:07:45.73\00:07:47.06 The time is running out. 00:07:47.10\00:07:48.66 I know you're very partial to Dostoyevsky. 00:07:48.70\00:07:51.30 Yes. 00:07:51.33\00:07:52.70 I'm trying to think of which of his work... 00:07:52.73\00:07:54.34 There's one where this guy 00:07:54.37\00:07:56.40 that became fixated on understanding God 00:07:56.44\00:08:00.08 or understanding freedom. 00:08:00.11\00:08:01.74 And he believed that 00:08:01.78\00:08:03.11 the ultimate act was to commit suicide. 00:08:03.14\00:08:05.05 Thereby, he would become God 00:08:05.08\00:08:06.58 because he was such an opposition to God. 00:08:06.61\00:08:08.28 Yes, that was in the Demons. 00:08:08.32\00:08:10.15 His book, in the Demons. 00:08:10.19\00:08:11.52 So that basically, he actually shows some of his characters, 00:08:11.55\00:08:16.02 for example, Shatov, he believed in God, 00:08:16.06\00:08:18.49 but the other one did not believe in God. 00:08:18.53\00:08:19.86 And he believed that if he kills himself 00:08:19.89\00:08:22.46 in order to serve the... 00:08:22.50\00:08:23.83 In that act, he becomes God. 00:08:23.87\00:08:25.20 He becomes God, but he was actually an imitation of Christ 00:08:25.23\00:08:27.54 because you remember, Christ dies to save mankind. 00:08:27.57\00:08:30.44 And he believes that if he commits suicide, 00:08:30.47\00:08:33.81 in terms of the Russian ideology, 00:08:33.84\00:08:36.95 he'll be able to serve humankind. 00:08:36.98\00:08:39.75 But I think, I want to return... 00:08:39.78\00:08:41.22 We're in a sort of a cultural suicide right now, I think. 00:08:41.25\00:08:44.09 Yes. Yes, yes. 00:08:44.12\00:08:45.45 So sometimes, elements of our society 00:08:45.49\00:08:47.09 are so determined 00:08:47.12\00:08:48.46 to shake loose from an acknowledgment of God 00:08:48.49\00:08:52.03 that it's almost on a suicidal path 00:08:52.06\00:08:55.80 thinking that this cuts us loose, 00:08:55.83\00:08:57.40 but it's a dead-end road. 00:08:57.43\00:08:58.97 That's my point. Yes, yes. 00:08:59.00\00:09:00.34 I think that part, we should recognize. 00:09:00.37\00:09:01.80 I think you're very, very right, 00:09:01.84\00:09:03.17 but I think one of the things that 00:09:03.20\00:09:04.54 we need to recognize is that 00:09:04.57\00:09:06.64 the problems that we're facing today, they're not new. 00:09:06.68\00:09:10.15 The 19th century... 00:09:10.18\00:09:11.51 Well, nothing new under the sun. 00:09:11.55\00:09:12.88 Yes. 00:09:12.91\00:09:14.25 They faced the same problem, the same crisis of modernity, 00:09:14.28\00:09:16.02 the same crisis of liberalism, how do you reconcile 00:09:16.05\00:09:19.12 individual liberty with society? 00:09:19.15\00:09:22.32 Those problems were there in the 19th century. 00:09:22.36\00:09:24.96 There were different solutions. 00:09:24.99\00:09:26.33 The nature represented 00:09:26.36\00:09:28.60 a whole different solution to those problems. 00:09:28.63\00:09:31.60 And to me, the solutions that have been given by nature 00:09:31.63\00:09:34.50 are the ones that have been adopted 00:09:34.54\00:09:36.50 by the American universities, the American intellectuals. 00:09:36.54\00:09:42.08 And I think what is needed today 00:09:42.11\00:09:43.51 is to ask ourselves as Christians, 00:09:43.55\00:09:45.85 "Is this the right response to our civilizational crisis?" 00:09:45.88\00:09:49.42 And I don't think that the solution, 00:09:49.45\00:09:52.42 according to many Christians, is through legislation. 00:09:52.45\00:09:55.92 The problem runs much deeper than that. 00:09:55.96\00:09:58.23 I believe what is needed is a religious revival 00:09:58.26\00:10:01.26 just as there was a religious revival 00:10:01.30\00:10:03.47 in the 19th century, 00:10:03.50\00:10:04.87 we need a genuine religious revival. 00:10:04.90\00:10:07.70 That's the only one I believe that can solve 00:10:07.74\00:10:10.34 the fraying of the religious of the social fabric, 00:10:10.37\00:10:13.34 the fraying of our societies. 00:10:13.38\00:10:15.68 The only solution I believe is a genuine religious revival. 00:10:15.71\00:10:21.62 Without it, we're doomed. 00:10:21.65\00:10:23.12 The casual visitor to Washington, DC, 00:10:26.32\00:10:28.86 after doing the rounds of a few of the monuments 00:10:28.89\00:10:31.63 and noticing the Masonic influence 00:10:31.66\00:10:36.87 in design and layout might be tempted to think 00:10:36.90\00:10:40.17 that it was most influenced by masonry. 00:10:40.20\00:10:43.57 And of course, that's an undeniable thing. 00:10:43.61\00:10:46.04 But as we illustrated, on the back of Liberty once 00:10:46.07\00:10:48.88 with a picture of John Locke 00:10:48.91\00:10:50.95 shining like the sun down on the American experiment, 00:10:50.98\00:10:54.25 the ideas of Locke and other 00:10:54.28\00:10:56.28 Christian-influenced English philosophers had much, 00:10:56.32\00:11:00.66 if not most, to do with the logic and founding 00:11:00.69\00:11:04.76 and framework of the American republic. 00:11:04.79\00:11:08.16 I think it is a providential development of history 00:11:08.20\00:11:12.07 that the truth of Christian faith 00:11:12.10\00:11:15.37 and the sensibilities that go with that 00:11:15.40\00:11:18.07 had so informed a new republic. 00:11:18.11\00:11:21.18 And even today, with all of the secularism, the globalism, 00:11:21.21\00:11:26.15 the constraints that we have, Christianity shines through. 00:11:26.18\00:11:31.19 For Liberty Insider, this is Lincoln Steed. 00:11:31.22\00:11:34.62