Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is a program that
brings you news, views,
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discussion,
analysis, and information
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that you need to know
on religious liberty events
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in the US and around the world.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
editor of Liberty Magazine.
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And my guest on this
program is Ed Woods III.
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You've been on another program
before and as well as that
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I've dealt with
you for a long time,
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a man of great insight.
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Your position, just
to set things in context?
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I'm the Public Affairs
Religious Liberty director
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for the Lake Region Conference
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and also have the
dubious distinction
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of representing
who I call my brothers
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because they're all
men of the regional PARL,
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Public Affairs
Religious Liberty Conference
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directors' council.
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And we're going
through a name change
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where we're
coming in the conscious
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and justice council
but love the brothers.
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We represent across
United States regional work.
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And through nine
regional conferences
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but also in Pacific Union
with the regional department
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with Elder Virgil Childs,
so the North Pacific Union
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working with Elder Byrd
Duman at the present moment.
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Just a great time
and also representation
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with Oakwood University
with Dr. Dedrick Blue,
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the dean of theology
there so want to thank
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Dr. Leslie
Pollard, the president
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for making sure that
we have representation.
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Okay.
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We've got all acknowledgments,
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this is sounding like an Emmy's.
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Emmy's no more winning thing
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but, you know, I
always get cooperation.
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You got to get cooperation.
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The thing, you know,
we talked a little about
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Public Affairs
Religious Liberty,
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it really, you know, talks about
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who we are as Christians,
as individuals, and you know,
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one of the things that
you're appreciative of is
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no one can do
anything by themselves.
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And we have to acknowledge that
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everyone had had help.
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I mean, I didn't know
how to walk by myself,
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didn't know how
to eat by myself,
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I didn't even know
how to bath by myself,
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someone had to help me.
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Yeah. That's true.
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With our Public Affairs
and Religious Liberty ministry,
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you know, with all
the different things
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that have happened,
you know, just recently,
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the big thing we're
talking about at the break
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was what happened
at Las Vegas, you know.
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I know. We really
need to mention that.
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It's not a
religious liberty event
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but religious
liberty as it's practiced,
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that it's advanced
by proponents like us,
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it doesn't operate in a vacuum.
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And we know that
events like Las Vegas
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and before it, Charlottesville
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and some of these
terrorist events in Europe.
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These are changing
the landscape radically,
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both how people
think about religious
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and civil liberties
generally and you know,
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how we're able to
practice religiously.
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That is possible
probably by public affairs.
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You know, one of the
things that we're seeing more
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from North America is,
you know, are more statements.
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You know, we are praying.
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And you know what,
for me now, Lincoln,
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I know we'll talk
about the Johnson Amendment
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and the partnership with
the Baptist Joint Commission,
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it's a start.
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And you know, I have
to learn how to be patient
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and as I embark
upon my AARP card,
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I have to learn
how to be patient
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but there is also
a time for action.
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And so consider
where we are, at least that
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we're acknowledging these things
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and offering prayer as a
start, and so I wanna say that,
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however, we do
need to have some action
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and our millennials
are pushing us, you know,
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to action in
this church, you know.
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I don't know what
the right action is,
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you know, in terms of
moving but we had 58 people
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who have lost their lives,
you know, there could be more
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'cause I'm not sure
where some people are
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in terms of hospital
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and more than 500
people who were injured.
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And something that's
worth remembering here.
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I mean, any
injury and any damage is,
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of course, an outrage
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but the special ammunition
and the size of this weaponry,
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I heard that the
doctors are just flabbergasted
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that the damage
that these wounds
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have inflicted on people.
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I don't know whether
they are holding those bullets
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but these aren't just
holes through an arm and so on.
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These are just
tearing away parts of bodies.
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So these horrific
injuries on those that survived.
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Well, speaking
about the bullets,
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you haven't liked me.
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I didn't know
the type of bullets.
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I'm going through my
news feed on my phone,
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you know, at first it was
20 and it just kept growing.
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The injures was 200
and it kept growing.
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And I just saw
some stories, you know,
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a couple was just married
a little bit over a year,
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you know, I mean...
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It's incredible
human tragedy. It is.
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You put names with faces.
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And although
people might not see it
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as a religious liberty, it's
a huge public affairs issue.
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I mean, especially in Las Vegas,
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as you know Dr. Carlton P. Byrd
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and Breath of
Life is about to start
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evangelistic
series in Las Vegas.
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I mean, so this is a backdrop.
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So, you know, this is our
hope, you know, maybe people...
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It could help.
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Maybe trigger, you know,
there's unfortunate tragedy
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might trigger but, you know,
people that get their numbers,
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but people need to
remember, these are people.
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They have names, they
have spouses possibly,
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they have
brothers, they have fathers,
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they have
siblings, they have cousins.
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And what this
unfortunate tragedy does for me
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from a Public Affairs
and Religious Liberty,
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it speaks to the value of people
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who Christ has created.
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Same thing with flint in
the water crisis, you know,
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unimaginable, unbelievable.
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I still can't
believe it happened.
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How people were fundamentally...
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All community poisoned.
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Fundamentally ignored.
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And now that
you're talking about
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an honor roll student 'cause
we have a church out there,
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were from honor roll
student to now special need.
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I mean, can you
imagine going through,
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I think it was, oh, how many,
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152 bottles of water a day
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for a family of four people.
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Four people?
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I mean you're looking at
cooking, washing, cleaning,
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I mean, I'm
imagining how granted
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things have gotten better.
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But initially, you know,
in terms of the turn around,
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but it's gonna take...
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You don't know the impact
that this is going to have
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for kids for a decade.
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I don't really know that a
lot of our viewers even know,
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even in the US are particularly
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aware of the flint water crisis.
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Flint water crisis.
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Well, that's, you
know, basically happened.
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I've read a
number of articles on it.
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Articles on it.
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And the health follow through
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or lack of health is horrendous.
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It is toxic.
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It isn't just, it
doesn't just make people sick,
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it destroys their
neurological systems.
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You know, obviously
the States being, you know,
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hold accountable in the
States there you know towards...
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And before that,
wasn't that love canal,
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remember the love canal?
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I don't know
about the love canal.
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It's another toxic waste thing
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where a whole
community were poisoned.
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Here we think is
just Bhopal in India.
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Right, this happened
right here on US soil.
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Industrialization,
just like taking drugs,
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personally medicine
but industrialization
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is poisoning communities.
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Yeah, but what
happened here was, you know,
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it was a mandate to
switch the water line
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from the safe to
back into the river
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and add lead in the pipes.
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And as you know, very
unfortunate, they didn't,
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they were under a state of
pointed emergency management,
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so they didn't
have local control.
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I mean, Google it
because we don't have time
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to go through the whole thing
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but basically,
they were poisoned.
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I mean, to sum
it up, and right now
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there is legal
action, they're on the courts,
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criminal actions, you know,
being taken place right now.
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But I mean, you
got to give credit
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to Adventist community
services because, I mean,
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they were out there
both Michigan Conference
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and Lake Region in
terms of doing that.
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But, I mean, just
the bottles of water,
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just hearing the stories,
I mean, I have two kids,
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you know, I can't imagine.
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You know, what
are they going to do?
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You know, I mean, not
just for today, tomorrow.
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I mean, I saw somebody in tears
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because they thought
they were a poor parent
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because they
couldn't protect their child.
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And having our
response to show that we care,
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you don't mean something
but this isn't a sprint,
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this is a marathon.
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You know, do you have
to still check in and see
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what's happening
because people feel,
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because they're marginalized,
economically disadvantage
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that people
don't care about them.
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Well, I think what this shows
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and you can
relate this generally
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and even through
religious liberty.
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This shows that there might be
disasters like Texas and so on.
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But after a week,
the attention moves on
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but the problem isn't so over.
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And there was some
mention of the pipe problem
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and all at the time
but it's gonna be years.
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I mean, technically
until that whole water system
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is replaced, it's
not gonna be safe.
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Right.
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And the infrastructure
is not there to do that.
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And with religious
liberty, the same thing,
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you know, you
have a legal problem.
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I think it' solved now.
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But the ramifications
ripple on for years and years.
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And often hit up
with other issues
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and it gets worse
and worse, and then,
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next thing get
out the tidal wave.
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And so that also really
talked about our responsibility
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as it relates to public affairs.
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And we can't solve everything.
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We can't solve everything.
But we need do our best.
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We have an obligation as...
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But we can form
the relationships
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in the community to help them
get the resources they need.
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And that really
talks about the love.
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You know, new
commandment I have given to you
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that you love one another.
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How are we showing the love?
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You know, I'm not
saying, on every single issue,
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we got to march
up to the capital
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or we got to march to DC.
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But flint and other
marginalized communities
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need to see the love.
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And that's that
public affairs aspect.
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We love you
regardless of who you are,
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regardless of whether or
not you become Adventist,
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we are concerned about you.
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You know, it's very interesting,
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you know what it says,
religion that doesn't care
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about people's human
needs, sufferings, or rights
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is a spurious religion.
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What's that text?
What's the bible text?
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True religion is this...
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Well, this one actually
came from man of blessings
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that talks about that.
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When I talked about human
cause in terms of human need
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suffering or rights
but the Bible says...
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It say, loving the brethren
and caring for the widows.
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Widows, right, right, right.
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That's talking, and
that's in Deuteronomy.
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We talked about early
and we'll talk about that
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a little bit later
but this awful thing
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that talks about the
love aspect is, you know,
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how can you say you love
God and you don't even love
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your brother or your sister,
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or you don't
even care about them
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when they are in need.
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So I just believe that
we've kind of missed the boat
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on our Public Affairs
Religious Liberty ministry
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where it can no
longer be about me find me
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as a Seventh-day
Adventist but to whosoever will.
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And it's not just
doing tragedies, you know,
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we're really
good about responding
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to victims of tragedies.
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But when it comes
to marginalized people
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on a day to day
basis, you got to hit it.
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How are we connecting
and how are we showing them
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that type of love
where we're not trying
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to get a benefit in
terms of our statistics
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but we're trying
to genuinely show
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that we care
and that takes time.
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And that's not hard work.
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I call it heart work.
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I mean, let's face it.
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Everybody is not
gonna believe you.
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But tell me, I know, in Chicago,
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you've made some good headway.
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What are some of the
connections you've made?
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'Cause I drive through Chicago
now and then, wonderful city
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but these whole swatches of it,
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I think, people are just
trapped in there basically.
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They are marginalized.
They are marginalized.
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Our administration,
Dr. Clifford Jones,
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and Dr. Nixon Yvonne Collins,
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Eddie Evans who
is a vice president
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but particularly
Dr. Jones and Dr. Nixon
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expressed a concern,
what are we going to do
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because the
increasing amount of murder
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has taken place in Chicago.
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I was there recently.
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You mentioned there been a drive
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by shooting just close by.
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Drive by shooting
close by. Of a church.
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And then we said, "You
know, we got to do something."
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You know,
obviously, unfortunately
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because of the
Mike Brown incident,
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you know, what happened there.
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You have Mike Brown,
you have Laquan McDonald,
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you have Tamir
Rice, Philando Castile,
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all these different
incidents where unarmed
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black men are
getting shot by police
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all across the country.
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And so here, you
know, because Mike Brown,
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I believe, with Fergusson,
Laquan McDonald went Chicago.
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Here, it's like what
can we do differently.
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We might not be the mega church,
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you know, our
Seventh-day Adventist church
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might not be the mega
churches but we are one church
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in variety of
different locations.
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What can we do differently
to make a difference?
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And so what we have
done is we have connected
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through our Public Affairs
and Religious Liberty rallies,
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each pastor with
their district commander
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so that we can strengthen
police community relations.
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It's kind of
hard to shoot somebody
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when you know somebody.
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It's true.
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And so how can
we connect this...
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The military know that.
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The basic training, a
lot of it is to see the enemy
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as an animal not
as a human being.
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I've read books on this.
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The statistic show
that very few human beings
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can look at another human
being in the eye and do it.
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They have to depersonalize them.
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So the reverse is
true to the degree that
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you see people as your neighbor
and a fellow human being,
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something positive
is going to happen.
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And I guess, now that you said
what the military training is,
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I hope that's not how our police
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are being trained.
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That's another
story but I still believe
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there's an element of that.
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We need to take a break.
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We'll be back,
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interesting point
of the discussion.
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So stay with us
after a few seconds break.
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Thank you.
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