Welcome back to
"The Liberty Insider."
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Before the break
with guest Tim Roosenberg,
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we were hitting the heavy topic
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of prophecy in
Islam and last day events
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and so I'd asked you,
Tim, just see if you can
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just give a point of
reference to our discussion.
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The central thing that
you are dealing with us,
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the kings of the
North and the South,
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how could you sort of
set the scene on that?
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Well, let me just use my
hand for the Mediterranean
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and we have Jerusalem right here
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at the east end
of the Mediterranean
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and the conflict is king
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and North king and
the South in Daniel 11.
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Starting at with
Persia, that takes Babylon
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which and then occupies
Jerusalem from the North.
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Don't leave your hand over...
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Yeah, comes in from the North.
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Then the Greeks
come in from the North.
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Then the Greek
empire divides four ways.
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All the invaders
into Israel had to come
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from the North even if
they started somewhere else.
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That pretty much...
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Unless they came form
Egypt, there's a South.
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It's true.
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Because they are
wider on one direction...
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They are running
really two directions.
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You are right.
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In Egypt though,
they are usually didn't
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'cause Egypt was,
where they would have refuge.
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It was most times
the Federal country.
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So the Greeks the
came from the North...
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I'm sorry I took
you off this summation.
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But then it spits to
a North and the South
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and that you have
Sallust to the North,
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the town is to
the South, Jerusalem
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gets caught in the
middle for couple of centuries.
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Then Rome takes over
the whole Mediterranean.
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Then Rome splits and again
you have a North and a South.
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You have the
Christian North, Islamic South
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and Jerusalem gets
caught in the middle again
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and it's still the
city caught in the middle.
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Now there are three conflicts:
the first one, The Crusades...
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Rome split into two between
the eastern and the western.
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Ah, not in Daniel.
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In Daniel 7 and 8,
Greek splits four ways.
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And that's your
Tolonese and the other.
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But in Daniel 11, it
only looks at North and South.
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That's true, Daniel, though.
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In Daniel 7and 8
you have in Daniel 2,
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a ten-part split of Rome.
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But in Daniel 11,
only North and South.
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Okay.
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And all the North and South
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previously were
related to Jerusalem.
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So if you continue
with the same pattern,
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you've got
exactly the same thing
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and you're gonna
expect three conflicts,
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three rules in Revelation,
three conflicts in Daniel 11
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after the fall of Rome
and you have the Crusades,
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the Ottomans and
The Time of the End.
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In The Time of the End conflict
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you're gonna have
the king of the South
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push against the king of
the North and attack him,
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get the king of the North angry
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and then it will
go like a whirlwind
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and Egypt would be overthrown.
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Libya and Ethiopia will follow
the king of the North and,
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Moab, Edom and Ammon will escape
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and that we can go
to a further a while too
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and the meaning of all that
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but I have
discovered in Daniel 11,
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after the time of Christ,
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everything is
geopolitical and spiritual.
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The king of the
North runs real armies
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and has real territory
but it's also spiritual.
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It attacks God's
covenant and His people.
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The king of the
South ahs real armies,
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real territory but
it's also spiritual.
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God's people Israel,
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there is a real land
of Israel or Palestine.
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However, spiritually,
God's people of faith,
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anyone except
Jesus is Lord and Savior
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called Israelites
in the New Testament.
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Every thing is running on
two levels in this prophecy
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and has been
accurate all the way through.
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Yeah, I think
you're accurate on that
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'cause there's a lot of
people take things spiritually
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and far too many
Christians in America
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I think see the fortunes
of the modern state of Israel
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is as the literal fulfillment.
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Oh, yeah, you
are right about it.
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But I thing this dual
approach is the best way to go.
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Here's the interesting thing.
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Back in Jesus' day, they
were looking for a literal
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and they were
ignoring spiritual.
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In our time, many Christians
are looking at a literal
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and focusing on Jerusalem
and they are not looking
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at a world wide
spiritual application.
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Daniel 11 is really interesting.
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It is literal but it
is only like a parable.
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That's only the surface level.
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The real application is
the world wide spiritual.
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Yeah, and it
causes the real conflict
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that the New Testament,
particularly speaks about
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is the battle between the
powers of evil, spiritual,
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what does Paul say?
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You know that we
battle not against
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the spiritual
wickedness in the high places.
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Of course the high places
he means is satanic forces.
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Let me add an
interesting level to this.
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During the time of the Crusades,
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where Papacy has
Israel, Jerusalem,
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part of it, part of it.
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During that time they
also pretty much had control
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of Christianity
in the Northern part.
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During the second part,
they lost control of Jerusalem.
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The Turks had it.
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They also lost control
of the church in the North
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because of the reformation.
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Now notice, whatever
is happening literally
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is happening spiritually.
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In the third one, they
once again get Jerusalem
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according to the prophecy.
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But in Revelation 13:3,
and all the world follows him.
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You have this
geopolitical spiritual
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that's going
point by point through.
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Do you think
that in this contest
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between not so much
terrorism but the Muslim world
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and its different
political entities,
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do you think that they
will antagonize Christian powers
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enough to retake Jerusalem
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for sort of an
international religious city?
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It wouldn't surprise me at all.
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I'm sort of leading here
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because I think it's
not impossible myself.
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I don't know
exactly how they do it.
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But it says the
king in the North
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sets up his headquarters,
temporary head quarters,
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his tens of his
palace in the near Jerusalem.
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Depends on how
you read the Hebrew
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if it's in Jerusalem or near it.
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So I had to say
in or near Jerusalem
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'cause Hebrew experts
can't agree on that one.
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I mean, I actually
have read stuff about like
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in Jerusalem sort
of an international
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or you know, like a theme
park for religious identity.
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And I would really like to know
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what may have been
going on in the back sides
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of the recent agreement
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with the Papacy acknowledging
this Palestinians Day.
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Well, I don't have
message on this program before
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but this is the best context.
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I remember in the twilight days
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of John Paul's Pontificate,
he went to the Middle East
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and I remember that
before he went to Jerusalem,
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he stopped in Ramallah
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and signed an
agreement with Arafat,
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basically a treaty
where by they said that
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both of then had to be involved
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with the
disposition of the Jerusalem
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and a few years
later, few years ago now,
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we had a meeting with
one of the PLO leaders.
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Actually they headed the
delegation in Washington.
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And I asked him about this
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and I was very
surprised at his reaction.
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He got very animated and
he says, I remember that,
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he said, I was
Arafat's deputy in Ramallah
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when he signed that.
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I was standing next
to him when he signed it
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and I said, "Is this
the binding document?"
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'Cause I said they both did.
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And he says, "Of course,"
he says, "I want to assure you,
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he says, "the Holy father
is still intimately involved
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with disposition of Jerusalem."
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Sure.
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They've always
had an interest in it.
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Yes, you know, in a way.
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It's not an
unexpected thing to know
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but to me that was like a
little window to see, yes,
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this is ticking
on in the backyard.
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And so what city is
still caught in the middle?
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Islam has the Temple mount,
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Jews are there
at the Wailing Wall,
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Christians want control of it,
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it's still the
city in the middle.
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You know, the
Islamic claim to Jerusalem
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is not as clear
as people imagine.
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Yeah, you know what?
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They have
possession as nine tenths
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to the law at the moment.
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Well, it's probably
even more than that.
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When I was there
when were at sunset Friday
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at the Wailing
Wall, or the Western Wall,
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'cause I don't like
to call the Wailing wall,
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it struck me as overbearing
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with the Al-Aqsa
Mosque sitting on top of it.
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It's like yes, you
know, I control this
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even though you
think this is a Holy spot.
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And if you
visit up at the Mosque
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or the Dome of
Iraq and then come down
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along the Western Wall,
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you're not always completely
welcomed in either spot.
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It's a Gentile.
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What I was gonna say that
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the Islamic claim is interesting
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because
Muhammad was never there.
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He had a dream a
night, His Night ride.
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Yes, His Night ride.
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You know, where He...
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But haven't you seen
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the hoof prints
of His horse in Iraq?
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Well, legend could
become pretty physical people
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at their imagination.
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But that's what it is.
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And even though it
was not totally clear
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whether it was Jerusalem
but it's identified that
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you know, that
sort of gives them claim
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and it does figure
in the end time events,
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that when Muhammad
and Jesus and the prophets
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and the come back.
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It'll all center
around Jerusalem.
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So one way or
another, yes, you are right.
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The major faiths
have a claim on this
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and on all occasions
there have even been fist fights
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and pushing and shoving
between the various ministers
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and clerics of
the different phase.
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Now we also have this
third and final conflict.
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For the first time
since the Ottoman Empire
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in June and July of
2014, we now have a effective
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where some might
functioning Caliphate
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with Abu Bakr
al-Baghdadi in Islamic State.
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So for the first
time since Ottoman Empire
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we have a king of the South.
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He instantly starts
pushing against Christianity,
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hard in Iraq and Syria.
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Well, certainly the extirpation
of Christians from Muslim.
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It's pretty high.
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I guess Seven, The
Pope, the king of the North.
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That's of 2000 and...
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2014, just a month later.
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Oh, last year.
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Just a month and
less than a year ago.
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2104, he calls
for a military action
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against the Islamic State.
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So that prophecy
says the king of the South
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will push against
the king of the North.
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The king of the North will
come out him like a whirlwind.
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The next day, Obama,
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the President of
the United States says,
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the United States
is coming to help.
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And about 24 hrs
after the Pope's call
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for the military action,
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the United States starts
bombing the Islamic State.
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Since then Islamic State
has called the United States,
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the Dog of Rome.
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And because Papacy
calls for action, Tomasi,
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the Pope's ambassador to
the UN within a couple of days
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of the Pope's
call made it clear that
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that was military
action that was being required
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and just a month or
two ago Tomasi came out
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with a joint
statement with Russia calling
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for an International Coalition
to go after the Islamic State.
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Russia considers themselves
the protector of Orthodox,
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the Papacy of
the Catholic church,
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together they made a united call
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for a coalition to
take on Islamic State.
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So the dynamic of the
Crusades is with us still.
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That's what I see at that.
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Exactly, that's it.
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But the prophecy
says the king of the South
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pushing it
against him gets him mad.
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He responds and you
have an overpowering
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military action that follows.
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We're not there yet.
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No, we're in dynamic situation.
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It's you know, we
have very little time left
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but I just want to say
and I give you a last word.
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There's no question
that prophecy is not words
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on an old, in an old book.
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It's playing out.
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It's playing out in
front of us right today
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and it's amazing and
what we have going now
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is day by day, I keep
looking at the news wondering
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what exactly is
gonna be happening today.
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It's unfolding rapidly
and I'm really excited about
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watching
scriptures come to life.
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The Burden of History,
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it's a phrase that
resonates far too much today.
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It's impossible
to really understand
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what's happening
in the Middle East
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and once you understand history
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as far back as
World War 1 certainly
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but as far back as
Crusades, I'll be oblique.
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I believe a
Christian, anyone of faith,
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needs to understand history,
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great woman that
lead out in my church said
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we have nothing to
fear for the future except
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we forget the way the
Lord has lead in the past
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and as we look at
these confusing developments
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that involve religion
and fanatical religion often,
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we need to realize that
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the Burden of
History is not on the past.
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It reaches to the future
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because it
explains in God's word
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that history is
leading toward a great moment,
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a moment of
liberation, not when ISLE
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or some other fanatical
group wave their bandits
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and their rifles
over defeated fall
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but when the Lord
comes to receive His own
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as it says to
reward the faithful,
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to bring history to an end
and at eternity to a beginning.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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