Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Tim Roosenburg
Series Code: LI
Program Code: LI000285B
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00:04 Welcome back to the Liberty Insider
00:06 before the break with guest Tim Roosenberg, 00:08 lecturer and prophecy expert on Islam and Christianity. 00:15 We were sort of bouncing through 00:17 a lot of the history of Islam 00:18 and Christianity and the conflict 00:20 between the papal phase of the Christian world 00:25 and Islam in its expansionary phase. 00:29 What really created the clash? 00:34 Was it inevitable or there's a competition 00:37 between these two faiths? 00:41 They both intend to capture the world for their religion. 00:45 With that in mind, is there room for both of them, 00:47 and they both are they intending. 00:49 You're sounding like okay to that 00:50 it's pretty gutsy of you. 00:53 I just-- I'm just telling-- 00:55 you don't think peace will co-exist? 00:57 To me the king of the north papal led Christianity 00:59 intends to rule the world for Christianity 01:02 and by the way who does the media look to, 01:04 for leader of Christianity today. 01:06 Yeah. 01:08 Which in itself is a prophetic market. 01:09 The papacy and at the same time 01:11 the world is getting more afraid 01:12 of the spread of radical Islam again 01:14 which was the same as the first two reasons 01:16 why they're following them at the time of the crusades 01:17 while they're following them at the time Ottomans. 01:19 So I say we're in the third round 01:20 of the repeat on this thing. 01:22 Yeah. 01:23 And so, they want to control the world. 01:25 Radical Islam definitely wants to control the world 01:28 and so there is a showdown coming on 01:30 and radical Islam at this time 01:31 is outright threatening to papacy. 01:33 Now something that I don't think all Christians 01:36 and all in the Christian west quite understand 01:39 from the beginning Islam claim to be 01:43 not so much against Christianity. 01:45 In fact not at all, in the Quran 01:47 it urges respect for people of the book, the Bible. 01:50 Yeah. 01:51 But it claims to be the latest revelation 01:55 which in a sense superseded all that went before, 01:58 it replaces Christianity, it's the final 02:03 and that's the dangerous point. 02:06 Nothing is to come after Muhammad. 02:08 This is it, again through him replaces Christianity 02:12 so it's the religious movement to lead us 02:15 toward the great apocalypse. 02:18 And as you know Christianity and Islam both have 02:21 an uncannily similar great conflict 02:25 between the forces of evil, the antichrist and God. 02:30 There are some extreme similarities 02:33 in their viewpoints from opposite sides. 02:37 But to me what you just described, I have a concern 02:40 when anything supersedes scripture. 02:42 The papal system comes in. 02:44 They put their traditions over scripture. 02:47 Islam comes in, puts the Quran over scripture. 02:49 What does it say at end of the Bible? 02:50 Yeah, that you're in big trouble 02:51 if you add anything to it. 02:54 And the Book of Mormon comes in, puts, 02:58 every one of these is putting something 03:00 in authority over scripture. 03:03 Biblically Isaiah Chapter 8, 03:05 "If they speak not according to this word 03:07 it's because there is no light in them." 03:08 Yeah. 03:09 And so to me bottom-line is anything 03:14 or anyone who comes in and says oh, 03:17 you can't completely trust the Bible, 03:20 my word is the last word. 03:22 Suddenly they've identified themselves to me 03:25 as somebody who is exceedingly dangerous. 03:28 Dangerous to that faith... 03:29 Yes. 03:30 Benchmark, yes. 03:32 Now, you know, I edit Religious Liberty journal, 03:34 I need to put a disclaimer I think. 03:36 Everybody who ends up doing that 03:39 ends up causing religious liberty issues 03:42 because they don't give-- 03:43 A religious conflict. Yeah. 03:45 You know, from religious, pure religious liberty concept 03:47 which the magazine I edit deals on that level going 03:51 to secular people governmentally this isn't so. 03:54 We have to allow all religions, 03:57 all religious viewpoints to coexist. 03:59 Obviously we can't allow violence between groups, 04:02 that's the matter of civil law, all mankind's against 04:06 that sort of thing, but you know, 04:08 no matter what crazy view is in a particular religion 04:12 or whatever a holy book says 04:14 even claiming that it supersede something else, that's fine. 04:17 We allow them the right to exist. 04:20 When we talk as we largely are on this program today 04:23 about theological truths and clarity and consistency, 04:30 you actually have to have the right to say 04:32 that this other group is wrong 04:34 and that I'm gong to defend my particular viewpoint. 04:37 But I want to defend them till they have their viewpoint. 04:40 That's what I've already said with religious liberty. 04:42 Right. 04:43 That's worthy of respect. 04:44 As a matter of a fellow human being, 04:47 I don't think anybody should suggest 04:50 that any other religion be tamed down, 04:53 restricted or made illegal or whatever, 04:55 that's not profitable to the human race. 04:58 Even though they're clearly are truths 05:01 and there is co-existing out there. 05:03 Anytime a believer of any religion 05:08 has to rid off 05:10 sort to the threat of violence 05:11 that keep people within that religion. 05:12 They've lost the argument, right? 05:14 To me they've lost the illustration of their truth 05:18 because okay, what happens to a Muslim if they convert. 05:23 They're in big trouble. 05:25 Christians, if you left the papal led Christianity 05:28 during the time of their power, you're in trouble. 05:31 Jew, you're in trouble. 05:32 Well, what you're really talking about 05:34 it seems to be human nature to defend with whatever means 05:38 even violence sometimes, their orthodox view 05:41 and that's not to be encouraged. 05:43 Do you think that we headed 05:45 into a dangerous phase of violence 05:47 between all religions particularly 05:49 Christianity and Islam? 05:52 Yeah, I do. 05:53 I do believe that we're heading into a really difficult time 05:57 because in this time period were both 06:02 Islam and Christianity had been building pressure 06:05 and according to this prophecy in this pressure, 06:11 we're gonna see a third and final conflict. 06:14 Radical Islam is going to go down 06:16 and moderate Islam will follow papal led Christianity. 06:20 That's what I see coming on in the very near future. 06:24 When we talk about an Islamic challenge, 06:28 we can make that to antagonist 06:30 because ultimately I believe the challenges 06:34 as William Shakespeare said 06:36 through one of his characters quite some time ago, 06:39 "To thine own self be true." 06:42 It's one thing to criticize fear 06:45 or try to counter another faith, 06:48 but it makes no sense unless we understand our own faith. 06:52 And at these times of terrorism often religiously 06:56 inspired mostly it seems from an Islamic quarter. 07:00 I think it's contingent upon every one of faith, 07:03 particularly a Christian to think 07:04 what does my faith mean? 07:06 Why is my faith not ever to be violently expressed? 07:10 Why is my faith so important that I must share it? 07:14 How will I share it? 07:15 Not by violence, but by persuasion. 07:18 And I think in being true to our own faith, 07:22 we can most truly counter some other belief 07:27 that we can see is dangerous to the integrity, 07:29 not only of our society but to of true faith itself. 07:33 And I do believe that in this way 07:35 we can not only be true to ourselves 07:37 but true to the Lord and Master of this all. 07:41 For Liberty Insider, this is Lincoln Steed. |
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