Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider
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before the break
with guest Tim Roosenberg,
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lecturer and prophecy expert
on Islam and Christianity.
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We were sort of bouncing through
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a lot of the history of Islam
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and
Christianity and the conflict
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between the papal
phase of the Christian world
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and Islam in its
expansionary phase.
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What really created the clash?
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Was it inevitable or
there's a competition
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between these two faiths?
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They both intend to capture
the world for their religion.
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With that in mind, is
there room for both of them,
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and they both
are they intending.
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You're sounding
like okay to that
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it's pretty gutsy of you.
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I just-- I'm just telling--
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you don't think
peace will co-exist?
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To me the king of the
north papal led Christianity
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intends to rule the
world for Christianity
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and by the way who
does the media look to,
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for leader of
Christianity today.
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Yeah.
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Which in itself is
a prophetic market.
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The papacy and at the same time
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the world is getting more afraid
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of the spread of
radical Islam again
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which was the same
as the first two reasons
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why they're following them
at the time of the crusades
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while they're following
them at the time Ottomans.
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So I say we're
in the third round
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of the repeat on this thing.
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Yeah.
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And so, they want
to control the world.
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Radical Islam definitely
wants to control the world
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and so there is a
showdown coming on
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and radical Islam at this time
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is outright
threatening to papacy.
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Now something that I
don't think all Christians
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and all in the
Christian west quite understand
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from the
beginning Islam claim to be
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not so much
against Christianity.
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In fact not at all, in the Quran
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it urges respect for
people of the book, the Bible.
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Yeah.
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But it claims to be
the latest revelation
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which in a sense
superseded all that went before,
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it replaces
Christianity, it's the final
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and that's the dangerous point.
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Nothing is to
come after Muhammad.
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This is it, again through
him replaces Christianity
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so it's the
religious movement to lead us
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toward the great apocalypse.
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And as you know
Christianity and Islam both have
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an uncannily
similar great conflict
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between the forces of
evil, the antichrist and God.
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There are some
extreme similarities
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in their viewpoints
from opposite sides.
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But to me what you just
described, I have a concern
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when anything
supersedes scripture.
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The papal system comes in.
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They put their
traditions over scripture.
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Islam comes in, puts
the Quran over scripture.
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What does it say
at end of the Bible?
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Yeah, that you're in big trouble
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if you add anything to it.
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And the Book of
Mormon comes in, puts,
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every one of these
is putting something
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in authority over scripture.
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Biblically Isaiah Chapter 8,
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"If they speak not
according to this word
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it's because there
is no light in them."
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Yeah.
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And so to me
bottom-line is anything
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or anyone who
comes in and says oh,
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you can't
completely trust the Bible,
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my word is the last word.
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Suddenly they've
identified themselves to me
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as somebody who is
exceedingly dangerous.
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Dangerous to that faith...
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Yes.
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Benchmark, yes.
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Now, you know, I edit
Religious Liberty journal,
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I need to put a
disclaimer I think.
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Everybody who ends up doing that
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ends up causing
religious liberty issues
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because they don't give--
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A religious conflict. Yeah.
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You know, from religious,
pure religious liberty concept
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which the magazine I
edit deals on that level going
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to secular people
governmentally this isn't so.
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We have to allow all religions,
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all religious
viewpoints to coexist.
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Obviously we can't
allow violence between groups,
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that's the matter of
civil law, all mankind's against
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that sort of
thing, but you know,
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no matter what crazy view
is in a particular religion
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or whatever a holy book says
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even claiming that it supersede
something else, that's fine.
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We allow them
the right to exist.
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When we talk as we largely
are on this program today
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about theological truths
and clarity and consistency,
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you actually have to
have the right to say
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that this other group is wrong
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and that I'm gong to
defend my particular viewpoint.
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But I want to defend them
till they have their viewpoint.
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That's what I've already
said with religious liberty.
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Right.
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That's worthy of respect.
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As a matter of a
fellow human being,
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I don't think
anybody should suggest
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that any other
religion be tamed down,
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restricted or made
illegal or whatever,
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that's not
profitable to the human race.
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Even though
they're clearly are truths
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and there is
co-existing out there.
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Anytime a
believer of any religion
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has to rid off
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sort to the threat of violence
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that keep people
within that religion.
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They've lost
the argument, right?
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To me they've lost the
illustration of their truth
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because okay, what happens
to a Muslim if they convert.
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They're in big trouble.
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Christians, if you left
the papal led Christianity
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during the time of their
power, you're in trouble.
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Jew, you're in trouble.
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Well, what you're
really talking about
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it seems to be human nature
to defend with whatever means
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even violence
sometimes, their orthodox view
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and that's not to be encouraged.
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Do you think that we headed
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into a dangerous
phase of violence
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between all
religions particularly
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Christianity and Islam?
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Yeah, I do.
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I do believe that we're heading
into a really difficult time
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because in this
time period were both
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Islam and Christianity
had been building pressure
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and according to this
prophecy in this pressure,
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we're gonna see a
third and final conflict.
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Radical Islam
is going to go down
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and moderate Islam will
follow papal led Christianity.
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That's what I see coming
on in the very near future.
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When we talk about
an Islamic challenge,
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we can make that to antagonist
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because ultimately I
believe the challenges
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as William Shakespeare said
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through one of his
characters quite some time ago,
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"To thine own self be true."
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It's one thing to criticize fear
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or try to counter another faith,
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but it makes no sense unless
we understand our own faith.
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And at these times of
terrorism often religiously
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inspired mostly it
seems from an Islamic quarter.
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I think it's contingent
upon every one of faith,
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particularly a
Christian to think
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what does my faith mean?
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Why is my faith not ever
to be violently expressed?
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Why is my faith so
important that I must share it?
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How will I share it?
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Not by violence,
but by persuasion.
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And I think in being
true to our own faith,
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we can most truly
counter some other belief
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that we can see is
dangerous to the integrity,
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not only of our society
but to of true faith itself.
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And I do
believe that in this way
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we can not only
be true to ourselves
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but true to the Lord
and Master of this all.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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