Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Wintley Phipps
Series Code: LI
Program Code: LI000264B
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00:02 Welcome back to the Liberty Insider.
00:04 Before the break with guest Wintley Phipps 00:06 we were talking about the incredible 00:08 series of presidential contacts you have 00:10 but then we would spend sometime 00:13 on President Clinton's moral dilemma that he created. 00:16 Yes, yes. Pretty good converse. 00:17 Yes, yes, yes. 00:19 And you were in a position 00:20 I think to give some spiritual advice to him, aren't you? 00:25 Right, and I think when you minister to people, 00:29 that gives them a certain level of comfort and confidence. 00:34 And so when the Russia opened up 00:37 as were talking about 00:39 and a lot of churches were pouring, 00:41 a lot of resources and money in Russia 00:44 and the Russian Orthodox Church became very angry 00:48 that these western churches were flushed 00:50 with all this money were buying up 00:52 institutions and churches 00:55 and they went to their parliament to Duma 00:57 and persuaded them to pass a law. 01:00 And the law set a date that after that date 01:02 no more foreign nationals are gonna be allowed 01:05 to do evangelism over there. 01:06 There was a registration day too as I remember 01:11 salvation army even miss the cat on that. 01:13 Oh, yeah and but this one is before them 01:16 and but they set the date 01:18 and they were really gonna have to move 01:20 and move out of Russia and I was asked 01:24 because of that friendship 01:25 to try to get President Clinton to help 01:28 because once president-- once a Duma passed the law 01:33 it was sent or the law is sent to the president's desk 01:36 at the time President Elson to sign 01:39 and then it would become law. 01:41 So it needed both. 01:42 One president could speak to another on this. 01:44 Exactly. 01:45 So, President Clinton actually picked up the phone 01:47 and called President Elson 01:49 and asked him not to sign that bill. 01:51 Wonderful. 01:52 And as a result our church 01:53 and lot of other denominations were able to continue. 01:55 And I knew for sometime we had great success 01:58 and its been fitfully much the same story 02:00 that the Eastern Orthodox Churches 02:02 now joined with the state 02:03 and they have this sense of entitlement. 02:06 As you have talked about President Clinton 02:09 and between times even other politicians 02:11 who had a similar following. 02:13 Yes. I'm thinking but-- 02:16 but for the grace of God you are aware of it, 02:18 we are all made of clay how many of these-- 02:21 these leaders have fallen into this problem. 02:23 Yes. 02:24 And I think of a song that you sing "Amazing Grace." 02:27 Yes, that's right. As a matter of fact-- 02:28 Are you willing to sing that here at this program? 02:29 Absolutely, Absolutely, 02:31 I tell you I have a amazing moment 02:33 I was getting ready to get on the elevator on Capitol Hill 02:35 and look for and I said no 02:37 go ahead I'll catch the next one 02:38 and they said no, where are you going. 02:39 I said, I'm going to the west steps 02:40 they said that's where we are going squeeze on 02:42 and as I squeezed on the elevator 02:43 it started to move 02:45 and a voice from the back corner 02:46 of the elevator said Wintley Phipps, 02:48 you don't realize how much your music 02:50 is been a blessing to my life. 02:52 He said my name is Senator Sam Brownback, Arkansas 02:55 and then he said as he is moving 02:58 he is now governor of Kansas. 02:59 He said Wintley, what are you doing tomorrow? 03:02 In front of all the people on the elevator I said, 03:03 I can't think anything specific. 03:05 He said, tomorrow in the Rotunda 03:06 we are giving Mother Teresa the Congressional Gold Medal 03:09 and I would like for you to come 03:10 and close the program with "Amazing Grace." 03:13 So, I'm booked on this elevator. 03:14 He said can you come to the office and we will share. 03:16 So you're saying for that occasion? 03:18 For that I was the last one to sing the song. 03:20 Well, please sing it now, 03:22 and I hope we have a little time after 03:24 it's a good way to finish this discussion. 03:26 Absolutely. Absolutely. 04:31 Oh, Lord 05:02 Amazing grace 05:09 How sweet the sound 05:15 That saved a wretch like me 05:26 I once was lost 05:34 But now I'm found 05:38 Was blind, but now I see 06:09 Through many dangers 06:16 Toils and snares 06:20 I have already come 06:31 'Tis Grace that brought me 06:38 Safe thus far 06:45 And Grace will lead me home 07:03 When we've been there 07:09 Ten thousand years 07:13 Bright shining as the sun 07:23 We've no less days 07:29 To sing God's praise 07:33 Than when we've first begun 07:43 Hallelujah! 07:45 Hallelujah! 07:47 Amen. 07:53 Hallelujah! 07:56 Hallelujah! 07:58 Amen. 08:03 Hallelujah! 08:06 Hallelujah! 08:09 Amen. 08:18 Wow, what a song. Yes. 08:20 You know, I was reminded of the words of Ellen White 08:22 who wrote for Seventh-day Adventists 08:24 and we believe she was an inspired voice. 08:26 And she said that she saw a scene in heaven and she said, 08:28 the angels struck a note higher, you remember that. 08:30 Oh, yes. 08:32 I think the words and the way you presented that-- 08:34 that brings us to the level. 08:36 It's amazing grace that saved each of us. 08:38 And it's amazing grace that lies behind 08:40 the principles of religious freedom. 08:41 Absolutely. 08:42 Because we are free in Christ first. 08:43 Absolutely and Ellen White you says that 08:46 music is an entering wedge and God uses the gift of music 08:53 to not only touch hearts but He uses the gift of music 08:56 to allow us the opportunity 08:58 to be a blessing to other people. 09:01 That song Amazing Grace was written by John Newton, 09:04 who before he became a Christian 09:07 was the captain of the slave ship 09:09 and for this melody we believe Amazing Grace 09:13 and put may be someone put those words together. 09:16 But what an amazing thing that we are free in Christ 09:20 because of God's love in amazing grace. 09:24 My sensibility just still 09:27 humming along with Wintley Phipps 09:30 as he sang Amazing Grace. |
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