Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider.
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Before the break
with guest Wintley Phipps
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we were talking
about the incredible
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series of
presidential contacts you have
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but then we would spend sometime
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on President Clinton's
moral dilemma that he created.
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Yes, yes. Pretty good converse.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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And you were in a position
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I think to give some spiritual
advice to him, aren't you?
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Right, and I think
when you minister to people,
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that gives them a certain
level of comfort and confidence.
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And so when the Russia opened up
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as were talking about
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and a lot of
churches were pouring,
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a lot of resources
and money in Russia
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and the Russian Orthodox
Church became very angry
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that these western
churches were flushed
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with all this
money were buying up
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institutions and churches
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and they went to
their parliament to Duma
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and persuaded
them to pass a law.
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And the law set a
date that after that date
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no more foreign
nationals are gonna be allowed
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to do evangelism over there.
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There was a registration
day too as I remember
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salvation army even
miss the cat on that.
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Oh, yeah and but
this one is before them
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and but they set the date
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and they were
really gonna have to move
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and move out of
Russia and I was asked
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because of that friendship
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to try to get
President Clinton to help
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because once president--
once a Duma passed the law
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it was sent or the law is
sent to the president's desk
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at the time
President Elson to sign
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and then it would become law.
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So it needed both.
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One president could
speak to another on this.
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Exactly.
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So, President Clinton
actually picked up the phone
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and called President Elson
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and asked him not
to sign that bill.
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Wonderful.
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And as a result our church
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and lot of other denominations
were able to continue.
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And I knew for
sometime we had great success
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and its been
fitfully much the same story
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that the Eastern
Orthodox Churches
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now joined with the state
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and they have this
sense of entitlement.
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As you have talked
about President Clinton
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and between times
even other politicians
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who had a similar following.
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Yes. I'm thinking but--
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but for the grace of
God you are aware of it,
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we are all made of
clay how many of these--
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these leaders have
fallen into this problem.
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Yes.
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And I think of a song
that you sing "Amazing Grace."
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Yes, that's right.
As a matter of fact--
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Are you willing to sing
that here at this program?
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Absolutely, Absolutely,
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I tell you I
have a amazing moment
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I was getting ready to get
on the elevator on Capitol Hill
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and look for and I said no
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go ahead I'll catch the next one
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and they said no,
where are you going.
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I said, I'm
going to the west steps
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they said that's where
we are going squeeze on
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and as I
squeezed on the elevator
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it started to move
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and a voice from the back corner
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of the elevator
said Wintley Phipps,
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you don't realize
how much your music
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is been a blessing to my life.
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He said my name is
Senator Sam Brownback, Arkansas
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and then he said as he is moving
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he is now governor of Kansas.
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He said Wintley, what
are you doing tomorrow?
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In front of all the
people on the elevator I said,
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I can't think anything specific.
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He said, tomorrow in the Rotunda
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we are giving Mother Teresa
the Congressional Gold Medal
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and I would like for you to come
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and close the
program with "Amazing Grace."
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So, I'm booked on this elevator.
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He said can you come to
the office and we will share.
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So you're saying
for that occasion?
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For that I was the
last one to sing the song.
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Well, please sing it now,
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and I hope we have
a little time after
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it's a good way to
finish this discussion.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Oh, Lord
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Amazing grace
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How sweet the sound
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That saved a wretch like me
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I once was lost
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But now I'm found
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Was blind, but now I see
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Through many dangers
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Toils and snares
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I have already come
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'Tis Grace that brought me
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Safe thus far
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And Grace will lead me home
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When we've been there
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Ten thousand years
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Bright shining as the sun
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We've no less days
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To sing God's praise
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Than when we've first begun
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Hallelujah!
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Hallelujah!
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Amen.
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Hallelujah!
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Hallelujah!
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Amen.
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Hallelujah!
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Hallelujah!
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Amen.
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Wow, what a song. Yes.
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You know, I was reminded
of the words of Ellen White
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who wrote for
Seventh-day Adventists
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and we believe she
was an inspired voice.
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And she said that she saw a
scene in heaven and she said,
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the angels struck a note
higher, you remember that.
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Oh, yes.
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I think the words and
the way you presented that--
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that brings us to the level.
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It's amazing grace
that saved each of us.
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And it's amazing
grace that lies behind
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the principles of
religious freedom.
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Absolutely.
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Because we are
free in Christ first.
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Absolutely and
Ellen White you says that
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music is an entering wedge
and God uses the gift of music
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to not only touch hearts
but He uses the gift of music
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to allow us the opportunity
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to be a
blessing to other people.
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That song Amazing Grace
was written by John Newton,
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who before he became a Christian
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was the captain
of the slave ship
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and for this melody
we believe Amazing Grace
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and put may be someone
put those words together.
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But what an amazing thing
that we are free in Christ
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because of God's
love in amazing grace.
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My sensibility just still
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humming along
with Wintley Phipps
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as he sang Amazing Grace.
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