Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is the program
that brings you up-to-date
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news, views, discussion,
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information on
religious liberty.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
editor of Liberty Magazine
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and on my program I
don't know today or tonight
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but on this program I have
"The Voice" Wintley Phipps.
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Oh, thank you,
it's good to be here.
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And I had some
wonderful contacts with you
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and early on I found out
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that you had quite a
history in religious liberty
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working for our church
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the Seventh-day Adventist church
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but you're life
career has centered
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a lot around your voice
and you're pastoral career
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and I know you had
so many experiences
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but one aspect that--
that all came together
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I think was you
have been involved
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in either the
inauguration or prayer breaks
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and different events for
a succession of US president
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starting with-- Ronald Reagan.
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Well, no, before him.
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Right Jimmy Carter later
but Ronald Reagan was first.
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But Jimmy
Carter was pretty dated
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Ronald Reagan as
far as the president.
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Correct.
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All the way through
to-- to President Obama.
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Yeah, and let me--
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Well, tell me a
little bit about that
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that's an incredible privilege
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to be so close at
these pivotal times
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these leaders of the free
world as they cast themselves.
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Yes, and I'll tell you
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when you're sitting
at a breakfast table
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in front of thousands of people
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and you're sitting
next on the same table
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with the
president and your senators
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and other people looking at that
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it's impressive to them
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because they, they
don't get that opportunity.
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Remarkable.
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Yes, you know, but for
me that journey really began
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when I was 16-years-old.
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I was a student
at Kingsway College.
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In Canada?
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In Canada, where I
grew up in Montreal,
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I actually grew up.
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And I gave my life to the
Lord when I was 16-years-old.
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And while under
conviction waking that campus
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I experienced God speaking to me
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for the first time in my life.
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And it was a
mysterious beautiful voice.
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I tell people
when people say well,
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how do I know God
is speaking to me?
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I say, you know,
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when you're about
to do something wrong
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and you hear that
voice saying, don't do it.
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Conscience. That's God.
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I said you wouldn't tell
yourself not to do wrong.
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And when you learn
to recognize that voice
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it's a beautiful experience.
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Well, I'm walking the
campus in deep conviction
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and God spoke to my heart
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and said I have seen your dreams
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because I wanted
to travel the world
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and sing and
meet important people.
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That was my dream.
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You haven't been
singing for too long,
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at least not with
voice you have now.
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Well, not very--
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Your voice might have
broken for the year or two only.
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Yeah, that's
right the voice broke
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when I was about
15,14 and half, 15
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and really I
woke up with the sound
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coming out in my throat.
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And while walking this
campus God spoke to my heart
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and said I have
seen your dreams.
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Give me your dreams
and I'll let you see
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what I have been
dreaming for you.
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I'll let you
see a little glimpse
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of what I have been dreaming.
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You know as your saying
this I'm reminded of the sermon
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I'm working at now
on Joseph, a dreamer.
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Yeah, the dreamer.
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Here comes the
dream. That's right.
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But no all dreams are so bad,
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Joseph's weren't
either. That's right.
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But you know,
it's not all smooth
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either I'm sure you
had your ups and downs.
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Absolutely.
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And so I saw them
experiencing this incredible joy
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of God speaking to my heart.
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I heard God say to me if
you can just be faithful,
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I will take your
life down on unusual path.
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I'll allow you to
minister to the masses,
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speak truth to people
of influence and power,
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and I want you to prepare
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to articulate the
issues of religious freedom.
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I had no idea what
that man at 16, I--
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I couldn't have imagined however
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that giving my life to God
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everyone of those
words spoken into my heart
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would come to pass.
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To be able to counsel
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not because of
any merit of my own
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but because of God's
goodness to counsel presidents
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which I have had
the opportunity to do
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in their personal lives
and in making decisions.
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Some of-- some
of the encouragement
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that I was able to
give presidents ended up
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in their state of
the union addresses.
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I was present when press--
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President Clinton made
a public acknowledgement
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of the counseling role of you.
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Yeah.
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At a low point at his
life which he to himself.
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But yes, people that he
knew and you are one of them.
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You had the privilege to speak
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to his emotional
need at that time.
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I'll tell about
that in just a moment
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but it's also interesting
to get another prospective
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or get your own prospective
on all of those different men
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because they're
men and they have
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different strengths
and different weaknesses.
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President Reagan for example
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had a "Horshack"
fatherly kind of loving image.
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I mean, when you were disarmed.
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Was that really him,
or was that his style?
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Yeah, that was just--
Did you get through the--
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But you, when
you-- when you got around
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and you were charmed by
him, there's no doubt about it.
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He just had
that ethos about him.
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Interesting now if I
travel with the gentlemen
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and did a program
with the gentlemen
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by name Hugh
Sidey many years ago
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who used to be
the editor or he wrote
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the presidential
column for Time Magazine
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and he had
known every presidents
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since I so have personally
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and he said I
remember after I sang,
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he got up and he said you know,
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I have known
all these presidents
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he said, the smartest president
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I think we ever
had is Jimmy Carter
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and of course a lot of you
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don't recognize Jimmy
Carter is a nuclear physicist.
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Yes, and a micro manger.
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He had a micro--
exactly, they're paralyzed him
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and he said the biggest
turn around he had ever seen
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in the presidency
was Lyndon Johnson
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who went from a
southern almost bigot
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to some people to this
magnanimous president on race.
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He said President
Reagan on the other hand,
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he said well, he said
President Carter's problem was
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because he was a
nuclear physicist
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he would read everything
that came across his desk
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and all that information
began to paralyze him.
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He said, but President
Reagan on the other hand.
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Didn't write any thing.
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He would see all the information
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and smile and pat it
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and that's how Hugh Sidey
kind of described it and--
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But you know, relatively if
I'm totally wrong with this,
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whether it's the US president
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or the president
of a co-operation
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or even the
president of a church
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I think the real
power and the role
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is to project certain values
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and says the bully
pulpit but before that I think
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they can define the
agenda through their persona.
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Yes.
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The idea of Jimmy Carter, I
think failed for this person
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does everything as bound to fail
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because there's all
sorts of deputies to do that
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but that person can
buy their very person
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define a country even.
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Absolutely.
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And on that regard you
know, I'm not politically
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involved at all myself
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but you know, I
recognize that the time that--
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that Ronald Reagan did project
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a very positive personal
image for the United States.
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I mean we sat, we are
at the breakfast table
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and he was smiling and
he leaned up to my wife
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and he kind of
winked at her you know
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and I said she will
never forget President Reagan.
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But he had that kind of really
grandfatherly awesome ethos.
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And president Bush the son
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I remember when his
first prayer breakfast
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when after he was elected
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he walked into the
room and I shook his hand
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and I said, so
you're now our president.
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And he said, yeah, I'm
excited to be so to be real.
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So, it was he was very
green and we saw him develop
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really in the role
in his office because
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and interestingly
enough President Clinton
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it was in 1990 I was
singing in Birmingham, Alabama
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I got ready to go the dais
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and the security people
started running back and forth
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and they said the
governor is coming.
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So I straightened up my
tie, brushed down my suite
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and they brought
him Bill Clinton.
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1990 no one knew
who Bill Clinton was,
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no one even he
hadn't even announced
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he was running
for President and--
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Well, even when he was running
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Ross Perot has
dismissed him just--
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Yeah, that's
right, that's right.
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And-- but since
I was in Birmingham
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and I did know who he
was I said the governor
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you know the governor is coming
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I assumed he was
governor of Alabama.
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So when they put him beside me
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I went into this
long story with him
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of how much I love Alabama
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and what a
great state Alabama is
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and I went to
school at Huntsville
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and he is puzzled
why am I extolling
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the virtues of Alabama.
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And when they made introductions
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ladies and gentlemen
the governor of Arkansas
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and as when he downed on
me you know, but I sang--
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Clinton remembers you.
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Yeah, I sang and he spoke
and I didn't see him again
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till about four months
before the election in 1992.
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I was singing somewhere
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he walked into
the room campaigning
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I thought that was
my chance to fix it,
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let him know I
love Arkansas too.
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So, as a governor you probably
don't know me or remember me.
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He said I remember you,
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he said, you sang for me
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a year ago in
Birmingham, Alabama
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because you know he
has an amazing memory.
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And by the way-- Hillary was
the speaker at our Liberty once
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and I found she is the same.
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Oh, yeah, she
sat down at our table
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and instantly seemed
to know everybody's name.
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Wow.
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That's a social
gift that I don't have
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and I really admire
that in other people.
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Yeah, and so, when
he became president
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I sang for his first
prayer at prayer breakfast
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and afterwards he
sent me a wonderful note,
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on a picture as I
was reading each other
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how much he was
blessed by the music
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and he signed it
with thanks Bill Clinton,
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Governor of Alabama.
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That's probably going to
be your collectors out of it,
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probably more valuable than--
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That's right,
governor of Alabama.
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It's like I was
watching a video other day
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and there was on
stamps and they were showing
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the up side down stamp
with an airplane upside down
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with millions of
dollars because that's wrong.
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That's right, that's
right. That will be unique.
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And that fopa
started a friendship
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like you said you
were in an audience
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where we would acknowledge.
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An event that you
pretty much said emotion.
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Yes.
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It was we might talk
about that's another time,
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your dream academy
there was a program there
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that he came and
spoken and met a few of us.
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Absolutely and that
friendship not only continued
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I got a chance to
actually minister to him
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because when the
Monica Lewinsky story broke
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I watched him aging in front
of my very eyes on television
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and God impressed me
to send him a message.
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I said, Mr.
President God has impressed me
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to ask you to read Psalm 69
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and in Psalm 69 David,
says, "Save me oh, God,
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for the waters are
coming onto my soul
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I'm sinking in deep mire,
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where there is
no place to stand.
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The floods over flow me
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I'm very of my
crying, my throat is parched."
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I knew he would
identify what David said,
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those who hate
me without a cause
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or more than hairs on my head.
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But actually I wasn't got to say
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lots of David's
troubles were self inflicted.
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Yes, exactly.
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But what he was saying is
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I didn't do
these people anything
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but they hate me you know.
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And I knew he would
identify what David said
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God you know my foolishness,
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my sins are not hidden from you
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and then David said,
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"God let not
those who seek after you
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be ashamed because of me
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and because of
what I have done."
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And so I'm at another
function at the White House
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and his labor
secretary Alexis Herman
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pulls me to the side
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and said you don't
know what happened.
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I said what happened?
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She is at the president
called a few of us together
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his closest cabinet members
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and shared with us from Psalm 69
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we were reading up
on him actually she said
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because we were angry with him
and he went up through his room
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and wrote out the first speech
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that he gave to
the American people
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where he openly came
up and said you know,
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there's no fancy
way for me to tell you
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but I did sin and I'm a sinner
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and I was invited to
be in the eastern room
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of the White House to hear
the president give this speech
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and I was in the
days this young Adventist
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who had been used of
God amongst many people
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I'm sure to help
nudge him to that moment.
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And he sent me a
hand written note
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he said, Dear, Wintley,
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I received your
message of that Psalm 69.
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I read it with
care and gratitude.
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I appreciate your
counsel, your support
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I need them all right now.
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And-- and that friendship
just continued so much so
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that a few weeks
ago, my phone rings
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and it was a movie star
his name is Chris Tucker
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in the Rush
Hour series of movies
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and he said Mr. Phipps,
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he has that voice, you
know, Mr. Phipps, I said, yeah.
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He said, I'm at the library,
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President Clinton's
library at Little Rock, Arkansas
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and I'm watching a
video of you singing.
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It is the part of the
permanent display there.
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Yes. President.
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If you go to
President Clinton's library
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and I went as I
was going up the stairs
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I heard my voice, you know,
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and he has a video that plays
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every five minutes of me singing
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and so it's just
amazing how what God said.
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What residuals do
you get? No, no, no.
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But what God said to
that little 16-year-old boy
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has come to pass and ways
I could have never imagined.
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Well, it
illustrates in a big way
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the influence
that each of us have
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and we don't realize it
connecting with other people
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and religious liberty in
the religious liberty work here
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I know you have
many, many stories.
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Yes.
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I think the value is
not the-- sometimes may
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but usually our
legislative liaison
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on some of the top
people in the church
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they meet these top officials
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but I think it's
the big opportunity
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that they have to
somewhat through their life
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but often through
actual words to say
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I'm a seventh-day
Adventist Christian.
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We believe in this
that has to take greetings
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of all these public
figures. Oh, absolutely.
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I don't know if you know it
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but do you remember
when Russia first opened up
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a lot of churches in
Christian denominations
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were pouring a lot
of money and resources
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because it was a miracle.
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Well, the Russian Duma pervaded
by the Russian Orthodox church
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passed a law
stating and they set a date
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that from that
day from that day on,
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no foreign nationals
were gonna be allowed
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to do evangelical work.
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I remember because of
the Eastern Orthodox Church
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was coming into their own
and trying to restrict others.
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We need to take a break now
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we are in the middle of a
very interesting discussion.
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So stay with us and
we'll be back shortly.
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