Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider.
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Before the break
with guest Orlan Johnson
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I was almost set box
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talking about
possible scenario among many
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but just one that I was sort
of extrapolating on security
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where it's not really
stretched in fact, in some ways
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we saw to live
through it after 9/11.
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In very, don't you think--
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Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
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You put succession
at least president's
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on basic rules and freedom's,
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were set that most troubling
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and we so held easy that the--
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Absolutely we ended
up creating new agencies,
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homeland security that started
grabbing all the organization
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and placing them
underneath themselves
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and still to
this day at airports
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there's almost
though you're living
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in a different
country completely
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because of that regulations
that are there as well.
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And even as you
say homeland security
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I mean, the concept is great.
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But the language,
I mean that sounds
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very so wired to hear to me
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I mean just it's
ominous it seems to me.
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I have told on this program
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but this is a good
context to repeat it
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then I don't think
that I have told you
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but blew me away.
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Years ago I saw Jerry Falwell
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well I was trying
to think of second name
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and the reverend Sharpton on TV
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talking about
abortion I think it was.
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And it was fine they were
both on the same wavelength
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but then Sharpton
started to get on to
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the financial plot of
the inner city and so on--
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just about the Sharpton--
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about the late Jerry Falwell
because this was off message.
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And he got offended
and he turned to him I--
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this is exactly what I saw
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there was no--
I'm not extracting.
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This is the dialogue he
turned to him and he said
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if you believe that he
says you are not Christian,
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you are not an American,
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you are a terrorist sympathizer.
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Wow, wow.
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And it's a shame that
we seem to find ourselves
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sometimes taken things
through the extreme and,
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and well, we have to
be concerned with is that
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it will be the
view point as Christian
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that you are not
in this particular box
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then not only you on another box
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but you are in the
absolutely worst box
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that any of us
could ever imagine.
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Well, you know,
during the French revolution
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that's the sort of
thing will get you to the
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you think quick just to
be denounced by some one.
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Right now, I think most people
would say this is you know,
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a rather vitriolic
angry statement by regard
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they wouldn't act on it.
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Although I did work on
constructional during college
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and there are people
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in that environment would do it.
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They will get in they
pick up with the flag in person
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and act on it.
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Well, I mean we're
seeing every day I mean,
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it's not a day that
you pick up newspaper
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or read something where
you see people get up and do
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some of the
craziest things whether it's
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you know, the silent come
in and shoot up in the school
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or going to some place
else where innocent people
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are taking lives
and then there come back
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that there is
some "valid reason"
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for their activities.
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I mean, we have to just
be cautious and be critical
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that all the time
and understanding that
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the persecutions and the
trials that will come our way
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they are not gonna be
deemed to be you know,
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reasonable or why would anybody
come to those conclusions.
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Why would reasonable
people-- I believe that really
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it's gonna create some type of
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almost like a chemical
imbalance in the minds of those
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who decide that you either
with us or you're against us.
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And we thought in large
part they were at something
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that really can't
happen, especially
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in the country like America.
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But I think that's
gonna be the shocking result
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when we see that that's exactly
was gonna be the outcome.
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Well, the reason
that can happen in America
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as human beings
are human beings.
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Absolutely.
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And the pattern of
history is very plain
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that times of stress
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people they don't so
much active rationally but
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well, who was
it, Abraham Lincoln
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they turned to
not to better angels
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or evil angels that related to.
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We're capable
of wonderful things
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and very evil things.
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And crowd mentality
reinforces one or the other.
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Well, I think--
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It's very obviously the
people do things in a crowd
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that they
wouldn't do individual.
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Absolutely.
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And I was reading
something not to long ago
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on the Howard Business review
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where was talking about,
why do people do what they do
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or why do leaders
act the way they act and,
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and they torment
their action logic you know
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and its this action
logic you engage in,
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when you
believe that your safety
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or your powers is in jeopardy.
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And when those two things happen
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there was a certain innate
action logic that kicks in
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has nothing to
do with personality,
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has nothing to
do management style
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it really has more to
do with what your core is
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and when your safety is
feeling like its imperiled
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or when you
believe you're get ready
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to loose your
power that kicks in.
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And I think that's
where we will probably see
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more and near the time when
it gets to really move forward,
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it's the action
logic within individuals
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they're gonna cause
and do something different.
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And we can't change human nature
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and that
dynamically would probably work.
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But I think the more
inculcated to society is
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with the principles
of religious liberty.
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The more aware it
is of certain group of
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what they believe, that
will counter act to some degree
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at least clarify
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just like with the
prosecution of the Jewish
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in Europe under Hitler.
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They were people to defend
them but that shelter them
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and they could
have been more I think
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if there be more
positive information
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before Hitler's
counter information.
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Yeah. Am I right?
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No. Yeah, I think
that is the case--
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We can't stop it. No.
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But we should never, you know,
he would make the statement.
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We should never be reconciled
that the life dying out.
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Absolutely.
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And that's what the
gospel message is about.
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We know that, that
before it gets great,
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it's gonna get very bad,
Satan is gonna relieve himself.
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But our job is to
fight for good and right
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and openness and freedom
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and even if we
know that the hard time
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is coming more
reason to up the game--
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Right.
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Well, I think you
have to be willing to do,
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what right in the name
and what wrong at all times
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and that's what
God is called us to do.
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He hasn't called
us to "get along"
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or whatever the circumstance
in front of us are gonna be.
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And the idea is this
place is not our home.
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Well, this is not
what we are striving to be
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we've to figure out how
to live here peacefully.
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Well, it's to be able
to one day live peacefully,
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for the rest our lives in Jesus.
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You didn't realize
but you've told about
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homeland security that
this place that I have--
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Absolutely.
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Homeland security
is eternal security.
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Absolutely.
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I mean we're not--
nobody would want to be
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against homeland security,
what the government is doing.
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We want a safe
society obviously.
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But in the absolute sense,
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the security is
with God, isn't it?
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Absolutely.
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And we need to
keep true principles.
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And I do believe
that at times of stress
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country start to act
the little irrationally.
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And clearly the US acted
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some what
irrationally after 9/11.
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I've even got up and said,
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I don't know if
you will agree with me
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that I love
history and in lunch time
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you and I were
talking about World War II.
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Think about German Air
Force came night after night.
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Everything they
had dropped on London.
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I see no evidence
and everything I read
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any thing I read
that London or England
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was at any danger of
collapsing at that point.
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9/11 was not a mortal threat
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to the United
Sates in the slightest.
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We could probably have absorbed
one of those a month forever
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but it was existential threat
to people's peace of mind.
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Right, right.
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I mean, there was a
need to keep a clear mind,
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put it into perspective,
obviously not brush it off,
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thousands of people
dying is a horrific thing.
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Right.
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More people die
of traffic accidents
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and lung cancer arrest
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and most people
are not moved by that.
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But this was in front of us.
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Well, I think that from
our stand point and even the--
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an American action logic per say
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our reaction to
when we think our safety
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is on the verge
of being taken away
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causes you too
really-- I think go beyond,
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maybe what you
would normally do.
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And I think that's probably
what we saw lot of after 9/11
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and I think also
the fear of wondering,
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what's gonna happen next.
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And I think in my mind
a lot of the things we do,
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a lot of the
actions that we engage in
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is one we don't believe that
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the Lord is
really able to protect us
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and two you have to be
in a position to understand
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that our security
will never be in anything
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that you and I
will be able to do.
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That was the great Adventist
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radio announcer
H. M. S. Richards,
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he would always used
to finish his program
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with this warm
deep voice saying,
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have faith in God
dear friend, have faith.
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Well, I think at
the end of the day
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when you think
about really what goes on
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in the final analysis there
is nothing that any of us can do
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to stop politicians from
being who they want to be,
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or we can do to remind them
they were already free in Jesus
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because he who the
sunsets free, is free indeed.
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Homeland security is
not really just a term
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that we have learned since 9/11.
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Put from the point
of religious liberty
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and from the point
of Christian commitment
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homeland security
should be all about
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preparing for
our final home land.
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The Christians hope is
the land of eternal bliss
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in heaven and with our Lord.
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But with such a
mindset we live here
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and we to prepare our
world for that coming world.
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And homeland
security should mean
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working for love and fellowship
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with our fellow society
and our fellow citizens.
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Homeland security should
mean witnessing for the Lord
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and master that we serve.
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Homeland security should
mean preparing our characters
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and our lives both
to be fit citizens here
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and fit citizens for eternity.
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Homeland
security is not insecurity
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and fear of what's
coming on the world.
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Homeland security is
the joy of knowing God
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and knowing that in our lives
we are living up to His ideals
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and witnessing to
Him before the world.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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