Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is the program
bringing you news, views
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discussions, analysis
and up-to-date information on
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religious liberty
events in the United States
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and around the world.
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My name is Lincoln steed,
editor of Liberty Magazine.
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And my guest on the
program is Melissa Reid.
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You are director
of the North American
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Religious Liberty Association.
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Yes and--
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That's what its long,
that's why we call NARLA.
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Yes, for that-- since we
are in we have brief show
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we will go the brief
title which is NARLA.
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Right, so from
now on it's NARLA.
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For now, yes.
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And I also have the opportunity
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and the pleasure to
be able to work with you
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at Liberty Magazine as
associate editor there.
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It's a two different hats
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in the same area in
the same department.
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And now our-- it's
really in some ways
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under the Liberty umbrella.
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Right.
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So we are-- its
variations on the theme.
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Yeah.
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And I'm glad to have
this variation here today.
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I am too.
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But let me explain to
our viewers what NARLA is.
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Yes, give them a
little background on NARLA.
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Right.
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So it's actually an
opportunity for church members
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or for any
religious liberty advocates
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to become
involved-- personally involve
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in the religious
liberty ministry.
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You know as I mentioned
before we're both involved
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in the publication
of Liberty Magazine
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which is a real not only
do we encourage individuals
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to subscribe to
the magazine themselves
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and educate
themselves and you know
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stay abreast of
religious liberty trends
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and the history of
religious freedom both here
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and United States and overseas.
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But the magazine-- we also
encourage to be a sharing tool.
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NARLA gives individuals
an opportunity to sort of
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get their hands dirty with
the religious freedom ministry.
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And I keep
referring to it as a ministry
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'cause I really feel like it is.
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You know, the reason why
the Seventh-day Adventist Church
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has published
Liberty Magazine since 1906
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and the Sentinel even
previously before that
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is because it's so core to
our message, to our ministry.
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And you're
really talking now about
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Seventh-day Adventist Church
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which I think
most viewers of 3ABN
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having inclined
that the Church is here.
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But we need to
qualify it a little bit
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I think with Liberty and NARLA.
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Liberty Magazine very early on
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while it
exemplifies or personifies
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Seventh-day Adventist
thinking on religious liberty
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and even is consistent
with their eschatology and
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understanding of what will
happen at the very end of time.
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It is very much aimed and
intended for non-Adventist
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and indeed
non-church civil leaders.
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Right.
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NARLA is a little bit
more targeted, isn't it?
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Yes, absolutely.
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Its very much reference
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to the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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and its membership
based are low. Yes.
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I don't think you're ready
to say that you will turn away
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any body that
want's to be part of NARLA.
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Not exactly, we're thrilled
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and that's why I said any one
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who is a
religious freedom advocate
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we love to have them involved.
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Let me I'm gonna plug
the website a couple of times
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during our show today
but religiousliberty.info
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is the NARLA website.
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We also have a
really active Facebook page.
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And so I would
encourage individuals
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to visit both of those
sites for more information.
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But yeah, it's a real
community I feel like.
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For individuals, you know,
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we have the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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has an individual who
is the legislative liaison
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on Capitol Hill
in United States.
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From our head quarters. Exactly.
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For a world emphasis even though
it's with the United States.
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Right and we are working
in Silver Spring, Maryland
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which is, you know, near
were all of the, you know,
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the federal legislation
happens and every thing.
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But we need individuals
to be the eyes and ears of
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what's going on in
their local community.
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You know on a state level,
in their, in their own town
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a lot of times the
things that are happening,
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you know, in
your community council
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or your school board
affect your life much more than
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legislation that's
happening on Capitol Hill
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or not as or
legislation that's not happening
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as we said here in the
midst of a government shut down.
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It's just a matter
of communication I mean,
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it's just jumping
to another country
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well we'll talk about
perhaps on another program.
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But this very recently that
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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discovered by chance
that one of its members
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in Pakistan have been on
trail for a couple of years
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and just been
convicted blasphemy.
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Yes. We didn't even know.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Well if they've been
NARLA member in his local church
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that have instantly told--
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Absolutely. Told
Liberty, wouldn't they?
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Yeah, so it's a horrific story
and I think we will probably
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would devote entire
episode to that some point.
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But yeah, so NARLA
again is a real opportunity
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for a dialogue
between our selves
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and religious freedom advocates
there in their local church
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in their community and the way
that we seen that represented
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we have several
regional chapters
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and have first for
few years in the south
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and the California area.
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We actually even have a
Spanish speaking chapter
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and Los Angeles
but this past year
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or this school year
that's just beginning here up
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I'm really excited to see
a couple of college student
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chapters sprout up
on their own initiative.
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These individuals
have contacted us,
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then very excited
we've seen that about an
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Oakwood University in
Alabama and also now just have--
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I just have come back
form a meeting at San Francisco
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with some students who are just
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who are there in the
San Francisco Bay Area
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working for the
local Seventh-day Adventist
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conference doing evangelism work
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but they've religious freedom is
a real personal burden to them.
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What do you think is
the attraction for them?
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What do they
appear ready to do or
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what do they want to
do for religious liberty?
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What's the key for this view?
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Right, well, human rights
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I think is a big
issue for individuals.
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I know it was
for when, you know,
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when I was a college
student just injustice
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really terrors at the hearts of
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I think young people as they,
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they are becoming
their own individuals.
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Yeah, people have a
great sense of fairness.
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Yes.
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Or unfairness as they say
that they don't like that.
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Yes, and so in
having this conversation
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with these individuals I
think, you know, I heard them
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really wanting to be advocates
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for those who do
not have a voice.
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We talk to by
human trafficking a bit
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which is
unfortunately a big issue
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in the San Francisco Bay Area.
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And again you know the
religious freedom issues
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we talk about just
really being an advocate
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for the community
member and they're also--
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these are all--
these individuals that
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I was speaking to our
visitors to those community
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they're there
transient, you know,
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be in the area
for a couple of years
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and so they actually recognize
that they are not experts.
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They want to have relationships
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with both the community leaders
and the community members
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and identify the need.
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They don't want
to come in and say,
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here is what we were
going to do for your community.
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So they want to be
capitalist in the community--
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Exactly. Which is very good?
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Yeah.
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And it's a great opportunity
to establish relationships
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with both community
members and community leaders
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so then should be there
an issue arise in the future
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with a religious freedom
issue for may be church member
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or for a church ourselves
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then we have already have
that establish relationship.
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We've already done
positive things in community.
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So I think it's
a real opportunity
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and I'm really
excited to see it happen.
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I certainly want
to ask viewers to
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remember these
small local chapters
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particularly
our student members.
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You know, we want to
encourage their passion
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and their
initiative so much certainly
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remember them in prayers
they undertake that their share.
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Absolutely, and it's
good that as you say that
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they are interested in civil
liberty issues, civil rights.
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Yes.
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And as we said
in another program
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one very clear
tendency in the United States
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is to emphasis corporate rights
either of the church or of
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even corporations
over the individual
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and yet there is an incredible
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may be
diminishing is the wrong idea
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because most of
the people don't see it
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but the structural shift
away from individual liberty.
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So if these young people apply
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what I can
remember when I was young,
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you know back
in Vietnam war ear,
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that was what stirred
young people I know that.
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Yeah, and it's certainly--
So if we can get them
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moving and it could
make a great difference
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'cause that's were
there is immediate threat.
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Yes.
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Some of these more traditional
religious liberty court cases.
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Yes, they're important
but I think they flow on
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from these under
lying attitudes about
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civil liberties
generally. Right.
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And so a threat
was dealt with early on
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you wouldn't see
some of those things.
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And what did we see Christ
when He was here on earth,
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His ministry,
He dealt-- you know
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the majority of
His time was spent
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ministering to the
needs of the individual
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the poor and the downtrodden.
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And that's what He spent,
you know most of His time doing.
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And so I think it's
certainly reflection of,
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you know, and of the commitment
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to the Christian faith of
these individuals as well so.
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Yeah this is a new
emphasis really for us.
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Well, NARLA is a
nominal organization,
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it's been sitting there for
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longer than you
and I been around
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I mean, not just on the
job but been around period.
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Absolutely.
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It's not really been active
and we'd Liberty Magazine,
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we've had legal
interventions and so on.
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Lot of people have raised
money and done good things
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but we really
haven't mobilized individuals
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particularly within the church
but as you say we can go beyond.
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Right.
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I think we need to get ground
swirl of concerned individuals.
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Absolutely, I agree with you.
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You know I talked
about earlier in the show
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that Liberty Magazine
is been around since 1906.
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Well, the National
Religious Liberty Association
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came about right in
that same time period as well
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and became the International
Religious Liberty Association
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which you know deals of course
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with international
religious liberty issues.
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IRLA still exist and
does great fantastic work
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but this North American
Religious Liberty Association,
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I think it was in the
1980's is that correct
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that there or 1990's
that were sort of revived.
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Late 90's. Late 90's, okay.
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When I came into the job
of editing Liberty Magazine
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the number of
the regional people
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was still talking about it
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one and
particular Adrian Westney.
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Yes.
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He just took it on
himself he just never gave up.
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We need to restart,
we need to restart it.
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Which is fantastic and again--
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And it has been. Yes.
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And you will carry
that on I think very well.
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Well, thank you.
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It's certainly
something, you know,
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that I enjoy working
with these individuals.
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Again I know this
happens a lot for you as well as
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you know we do a majority
of our work here in the office
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but then on the weekends
particularly on Sabbath mornings
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we're able to go out and
be with local church members
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and it's really as
blessing to worship with
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and interact with
like minded individuals.
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There are people that
are excited and passion
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about the issues that
we spend our, you know,
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our work days doing and
so it really is exciting.
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We certainly would love to see
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additional NARLA
local chapters pop up.
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Well, we will it's not
a wish, it's a reality.
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It's going to be a reality.
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Well, I want to
invite viewers, you know,
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to look around in
your community identify
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some other like
minded individuals.
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We had there gentleman I
believe we did a segment on him
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last year in Oklahoma City.
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You remember you went
for there NARLA chapter
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dedicational Oklahoma City.
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He actually went to
all of the local churches
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in his community again you know
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you just state at
the capital of his state.
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He was very interested in doing
advocacy work on a state level.
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We saw a real need there.
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And so he would go and
visit all of the local churches
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I think there was 14
or 15 in that congregation
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and just invite
individuals say, here,
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you know, introduce him
selves as I'm a like minded
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you know I'm looking
for like minded individuals
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people that are
passionate about it.
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And identifying
those and finding
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the need within the community.
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Again on a national level
NARLA isn't going tell you
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here what you need to
advocate on behalf of.
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You can identify the
needs in the community
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and you can build
those relationships
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and identify those, you know,
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sort of key
players in your community.
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And we know how important
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that man has
already been in that,
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that Oklahoma area, one man.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And whether it's
NARLA in this case now
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but any social
change in recent years
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I have noticed that
she is the one person.
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My father used
to work heading up
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the temperance
movement for our church
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so I had some
interesting contacts
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and I remember Candy Lightner,
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Mothers Against--
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I think it was Candy Lightner,
Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
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Yes, yes.
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They made a huge effort
in awareness of drunkenness
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and teen deaths and
legal shifts as a result
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all because of one
woman that was really
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stirred up about in her case
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I think it was her
daughter that was killed.
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Yes.
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But I just see that
over and over again we talk
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about it even in our
office on Liberty Magazine.
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We depend a lot once a year
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on a
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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it's to support the magazine.
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Most of them don't, way they do
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whether it's a large or
small churches nearly always
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one person that
makes the difference.
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If there's one true believe
there they will go around
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they'll talk up the other
people they'll organize it
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and great things happen.
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Yes.
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So yeah, we live in
a world where there is
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what seven billion
people and I've often mentioned
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when I went to India
where there is a lot of people,
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you know, it just
overwhelming to see
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so many people there.
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But in reality
that those trouble
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is small
individuals in a large world
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but its still an individual
that makes a difference.
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It starts with an
army of one as they say.
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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And that's what
you are depending on
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what NARLA isn't it. Absolutely.
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NARLA has started from nothing
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it's now safely began.
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But the world is open,
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open to a
religious liberty activism.
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Yes, we have a really
exciting weekend this last year
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we do very
Religious Liberty summit
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in the Washington DC every,
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excuse me in the
Washington DC area every year
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and it was just
really fun we got--
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It was a good summer
then I see the time go by.
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We will come back,
we'll pick up on it.
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So stay with us and
we will come and continue
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this discussion of NARLA summit
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not to long ago.
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