Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider.
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Before the break we
were discussing the Sabbath
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whether it is
correctly the seventh day
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as the Bible
says or does tradition
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and the opinions of
men move it to Sunday.
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I think you and I are agreed
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and the Bible
backs us up pretty well
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that it was
always the seventh day,
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the Saturday today
and even Dies Domini,
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the most recent
document on this topic by,
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this was Pope John Paul II. Yes.
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Didn't attempt to challenge
the Biblical understanding.
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I mean, obviously
the Catholic Church
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has a slightly
different approach
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'cause they put
tradition on a very high level
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as well as, as he said
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the authority of the
members was enough for them.
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I think you've got
something to share.
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During the break you were
reading a few things to me.
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That's true, I want to say,
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you know, the fourth commandment
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is the only commandment
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that gives the
reasons for Christ divinity,
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He created the earth.
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So it's the only commandment
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that points to the
divinity of Christ and why.
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And in that sense it's
an extremely important test
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with respect to
the battle between
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Christ and
Satan and this quote--
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Now which book is this one?
This is from "Last Day Events."
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This is "Last Day Event."
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This is a
collection of statements
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written by Ellen
White in different books
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but they have
been assembled here,
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so these are sort of
quotable quotes on this topic.
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And as I've said a
number of times on this program,
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Ellen White was
one of the founders,
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she was not the
founder but one of the founders
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of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church, a pioneer.
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And a lady that early
on people became convicted
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through considerable evidence
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that God was
speaking through her,
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not all the time,
she was no God on earth,
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but as in the olden and
even in the New Testament.
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You know, they were prophets
even in the New Testament,
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not their writings written
down but there was one man,
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his daughters were prophesying.
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And Ellen White received
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some specific instructions
to the early Adventist
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that encouraged them
on to their Bible study
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and formation of the church.
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So what does she
have to say on this topic?
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She writes the only way
in which men will be able
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to stand firm in the
conflict and I think--
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She is talking about the
end times when all erupts up.
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The end time and the conflict,
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the escalation of the conflict
between Christ and Satan
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is to be rooted
and grounded in Christ.
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They must receive the
truth as it is in Jesus,
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and it is only as
His truth is presented
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thus that it can meet
the wants of the soul.
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The preaching
of Christ crucified
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and Christ our righteousness
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is what satisfies
the soul's hunger.
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And you think of
lifting Christ up,
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I think of the
fourth commandment
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as lifting Christ up
and pointing to His divinity
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and playing a central role
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with respected to
the final conflict
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between Christ and Satan.
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But there's nothing
strange in the concept
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that a Christian
would lift Christ up.
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Now Jesus did
say, "If I'm lifted up,
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I will draw all men unto Me."
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And if we want to draw
people to Christianity,
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we shouldn't do
as even some of my
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well meaning fellow Adventist
who talk about ourselves
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and what we've
done, churches, hospitals,
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and schools
those are good things
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but ultimately we have to make
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the reason for
our faith attractive
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and the central reason
to Christianity is Christ.
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And Sabbath as
you've well pointed out
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can't be separated
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from this worship
of our Creator God,
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our Redeemer God
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and it fully
integrates that you are right
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with His creative power.
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And the Christian world I
think to give them the benefit,
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the Catholic and
many Protestants,
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you know, wanted
to acknowledge Christ
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through the resurrection day,
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but they just don't
have a biblical model for it.
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And again you
explain well to pull away
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from the creation aspect
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to emphasize
only the resurrection
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is to miss the central element.
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And the Seventh-day Adventist,
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you know, we talk
about the three angels,
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there is actually many more
than three angels in Revelation
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even in Chapter 14.
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There are three great messages
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and the first one is an angel
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that's clearly
identified in context
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as the final message
to the world and it says,
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"Fear God and give glory to Him,
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the creator of
heaven and earth." Right.
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So there is a
message to acknowledge God.
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How better to acknowledge Him
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than by worshiping on a day
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memorializing
His creative power.
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Exactly, and Christ Himself
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connects
creation with redemption.
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He is speaking to Moses
and Moses records His words
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in Deuteronomy 4 and he says,
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this is Christ speaking now,
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"For ask now the
days that are past
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which were before these
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since the day that God
created men upon the earth
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and ask for one side
of heaven to the other,
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whether there had
been any such thing
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as this great thing is."
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Meaning He brought the
Israelites out of Egypt
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which is a reference
to redemption, right,
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because the
Egyptian, I mean the Israelites
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coming out of Egypt were--
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From captivity, and
the literal captivity
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is a parallel to
captivity to sin,
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bondage to the evil one.
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Exactly, so here God
Himself is connecting
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creation is the same power,
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it's the same
miracle in redemption
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and then the very
next chapter Deuteronomy 5,
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we have the Ten
Commandments given to us again
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except in this chapter
as opposed to Exodus 20
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the reason for
keeping Sabbath is,
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"Remember that thou was a
servant in the land of Egypt,
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and the Lord thy
God brought thee out."
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So here it is,
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you keep Sabbath to
remember redemption,
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you keep Sabbath and
it's connected to creation
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and I'm saying that
this was Christ speaking
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because in the
Gospel of John Christ says
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I tell you
before Abraham was I am.
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And He was making a reference
to Moses saying who are you?
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He said, tell
them I am sent you.
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So again--
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A good reminder of what
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too many
Christians have forgotten
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that the Old and
the New Testaments
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are seamless
aggression that it's not,
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you know, sort of ancient
historic stuff for the Jews
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and then the
Christian New Testament.
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No, it's together.
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And I'm thinking also in
the New Testament Paul said,
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if any man is in
Christ, he is a new creation.
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He is a new
creation, redemption.
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New creation. Yes.
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And that says
also a new creature
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but the creation
is of the universe
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but there is also
a spiritual creation.
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We to be recreated
spiritually by following Christ.
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And the Sabbath is
the only commandment
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that lift Jesus up as divine
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and it gives
creation as the reason
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and He is our
Redeemer as the reason
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and if you're
worshiping on Sunday
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you just have this
tiny scope of field.
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It's Sunday the
resurrection that's it,
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you don't have to
worship or remember Jesus
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as your Creator or Redeemer
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if you are just
remembering the resurrection.
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You know, Moses was resurrected
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as I said before, there
were other people resurrected
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and it doesn't make him God.
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Of course you are not
denigrating the resurrection.
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The resurrection is
essential to Christian.
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No. Thank you.
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I've been very...
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just impressed know him
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because I've
heard this many times
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in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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This is one of
the common greetings.
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They agree Christ is
risen that's the good news.
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It is the good news.
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I'm sorry I didn't mean
to come across that way.
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No, not at all, I'm
just covering bases here.
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But unfortunately
even in that count
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I think the Christian
world as it's now devolved into
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which is Catholicism, you
know, continuing to exist,
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there's a whole variety
of now Protestant Christian
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sects or denominations.
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Remember Easter,
the resurrection time
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and we've again
superimposed it on
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something
thoroughly inappropriate.
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Easter was at the
time of regeneration
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in the paganistic sense,
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you know, rebirth and recycling
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and the sun coming up
again and the seasons changing,
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those are all
reasonable patterns
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of observation
of the natural world
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but it doesn't really teach
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the true value
of the resurrection
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which was not
just something reborn,
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it will change me spiritually,
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it was part of
God's creative power
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that originated everything.
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And the memorial for what
the resurrection is baptism.
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What I am getting on about is,
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yes, Sunday has been justified
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as remembering the resurrection.
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But I think
there should need to be
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a must better job
done of Christians
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memorializing the resurrection
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rather than, you know,
cheap pagan Kleptocracy
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or whatever, you
know, job of Kleptomania.
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No, it needs to be elevated
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but don't forget the
Sabbath, the seventh day Sabbath
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as the creation
memorial that's the bedrock
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upon which the
efficacy of the creation rest.
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And the divinity of Christ
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which is the
central to Christianity
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and I see many movements
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if you could just bring
Christ down a little bit,
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there could be a much easier
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joining of religions
worldwide and a blurring of--
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That's true, philosophical
all religions are comfortable
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with someone
with the holy calling
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that speaks of
kind, pious saints,
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but to accept
someone in this case,
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the man Jesus Christ is
actually the God incarnate,
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that's a huge thing.
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And Jesus Himself said,
you know, you've seen me,
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talked to me, and known me.
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He says, blessed are those
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who haven't seen me but believe.
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That's the huge jump
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but it's the jump
required in Christianity.
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Well, this has
been exciting, isn't it?
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You are talking
about the Sabbath
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for Seventh-day Adventist.
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You can get your juices going.
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But you know,
what's the takeaway for you
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talking about the Sabbath.
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Where does that leave you?
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It really brings home to
me the great controversy,
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it brings home to me the
war between Satan and Christ
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that began before
time began in this world.
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And I want to stand
under the banner of Christ
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and lift Him up.
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And I can do that worshiping,
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remembering creation
that He is my Redeemer
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on the Sabbath, the
seventh day of the Bible.
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There is something a little odd
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I think about a
day being insisted upon
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by followers of
a certain religion,
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a day that the
founder and the deity
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that is
worshiped has not required.
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In fact that same deity
has required another day.
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It's worth remembering
that Jesus rested in the tomb
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on the Sabbath day.
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There was a
statement to be made there
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and everyone at
the time knew it.
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Of course He rose on Sunday
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and that's there's an attempted
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memorializing
that through Sunday.
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But the fact is Jesus respected
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His own
creation, the Sabbath day.
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And then He also said,
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pray not that your
flight be on the Sabbath day.
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Looking forward to
the very end of time
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when His followers would
be put to the ultimate test
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of loyalty to Him.
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We certainly do
well as Christians
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to look at the reasons
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for the holy Sabbath seventh day
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being designated as
a day to memorialize
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not just creation
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but the creator
of all the visible
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and even the unseen worlds.
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This is the seventh day Sabbath,
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a holy day unto God the Lord.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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