Welcome back to
the "Liberty Insider."
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Before the break with
guest Grace Mackintosh
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we were talking about education
and how in Canada initially
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and then well
generally how often education
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initiatives have an agenda.
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And much of it
lately seems to center
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on casting
religion as problematic,
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certainly
extremist, fundamentalist,
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narrow religious
viewpoints as dangerous
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to the public
good, right? Exactly.
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And how can we counteract them
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because that's not true
education? It's not true.
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That shouldn't be
the role of the state
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which should be to work
to further harmony in society
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to fit people to live peaceably
and profitably in society
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to increase a narrow viewpoint
of one segmental society.
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That's just
irresponsible it seems to me.
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And it brings
two things to mind.
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One that we have to do whatever
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we can to protect
Christian education
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because the true signs
of education is to connect
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the student to Jesus Christ.
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As a Christian we absolutely
and it's a matter of history
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in the western world education
began from a church perspective.
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It's only relatively recently
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that the state has
taken over education
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and as we started out
talking about at sometimes
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that's taken to the point
of the state educational system
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sees to children their words
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rather than the
words of the parents
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who have lent them to them
to teach them social values.
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Yes, I think it was in the
1830s that the state decided
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that they wanted the
peace of the education movement.
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And even though there
was 90% literacy in regions
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they were forced to
implement public schools.
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It's a very interesting
history education has.
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Well and pointed at
people-- they sort for forget
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this that the state education in
any country is seldom written,
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in fact it's never ultraistic.
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It's designed
further the aims of the state
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and depending on how
the state has structured
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the communist society. Yes.
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It trains young people
to live in a communist model
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to exemplify it to further the
power of the communist state.
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If it's in a capitalist
society it's fitting them
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for capitalist behaviors
purposely using that term
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because we think
of democracy. Yeah.
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But I don't really
think the educational system
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is structured particularly
to further democratic aims.
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And evidence say here
they're actually setting
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one section of the
populist against another.
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So now their aim is a capitalist
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social
engineering type of thing.
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And what I think really got
modern societies involved in it.
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And it was not their
doing but as we moved
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into a more
complex industrial society
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with information
technologies, very specialized
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production
techniques in factories
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it was necessary for society to
have very particular education.
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So the state moved in on it.
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That's to defend them
but once they go into that
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they're often of doubts
with the moral viewpoint
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of the parents who were
sending their children there.
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By the middle
of the 20th century
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there was a shift in education.
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We had taught
reasoning from cause to effect.
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We had taught that the high
esteem was to develop character
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and that humanity seeks truces.
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And by the middle of the
20th century there was a shift
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and we used operant
conditioning in schools.
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Explain operant conditioning
not everyone might know.
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Well, perhaps
most of the viewers
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have heard of Pavlov's Dogs.
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Well they might
not know it. The dogs--
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Is he just the dog fancier?
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Not dog fancier. Pavlov
was the psychologist Yes.
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And he developed
operant conditioning
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which had its
roots in well in went.
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He would feed the dogs.
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He would feed the dogs
and then he would find that
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after a while
he would bring them
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where they would be fed
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and he wouldn't
have to give them food--
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they would salivate. Right.
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And it reacts in a condition.
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They paired the
feeding, with a bell ringing.
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So every time the dogs
were fed the bell would ring.
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And so it rings the
bell and they'll salivate.
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So then you could--
and the dog would salivate
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in anticipation of
the food coming and then--
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And we're all like
that and it's obvious, yeah.
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So it is a way
of training animals
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because what it does is
bypasses the frontal lobe
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or mechanism for reasoning
the context within we put--
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within which we put
our morals and information
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and it bypasses and it
goes straight to limbic system
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and you're given
you know the bell
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and then you have a response.
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So stimulus
responds, stimulus responds
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and what happens when
you teach within the context
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of operant conditioning is
that you do learn the math,
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you do learn to read.
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Its not that it is a
bad tool for teaching,
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it's just that
you are conditioned
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to respond to stimulus
and also you're conditioned
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to move away from punishment.
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All right and so it
creates a chilling effect
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with respect to standing up
and speaking what you believe.
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You know you're
going to stand up
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you're going to
speak what you believe.
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There is going to
be a negative response
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and all through
school you're conditioned
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to move away from punishment.
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And you don't really want--
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you have people disagreeing
with you calling you.
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And certain things will
happen and get the same times.
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Society is all went through
phase of situational ethics.
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There was the rise
of philosophical views
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that were expressed
what else it about in 60s,
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God is dead. So operative faith.
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The scopes child.
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It supposed to just
belief it was sort at the window
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and it was not the supernatural.
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Yeah, this God I mean
you're religious person
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because you
believe the holy saints.
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But mystical belief that the
changed lives that was not to.
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So become more rationale
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and become more expediency ruled
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and then education is
working on the system.
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And the net effect is we morally
adrift I think in this society.
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We are--I think
there is an agreement
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with that in a concern for that.
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And there is a
misguided attempts
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to correct that
through legislation
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as supposed to reaching people
through ideas and persuasion.
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And so back to religious
liberty in the middle of it all,
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people of faith are
risked to be maligned
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perhaps even persecuted.
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Excluded from in
the education system
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and as you said
in another program
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even in homeschooling situations
there may be forbidden
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to teach those spiritual
values to their children.
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That's very true.
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And in Canada right
now we have legislation
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that's been passed
from province to province.
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So you have the pilot province
who introduces the legislation.
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If it goes well and
if there is any bugs
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they work it out and you'll
see a pop[] in another province.
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And one of the legislation
that passes anti-bullying.
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So we talked about this earlier
in the anti-bullying legislation
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you have to promote lesbian,
gay, bisexual, transsexual lives
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or transgendered
lifestyle by a clubs.
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You know you have to
have clubs you have to show
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that you're a protecting them
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and love for dating
and that's sort of thing.
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And I will tell
you that at this time
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if as an organization
you had a church school
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and you spoke up and said,
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you know we agree
there shouldn't bullying
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but in this
legislation we're going to have
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to promote something
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that's against the
teachings of the church.
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And it wouldn't
matter how you said it
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and it wouldn't matter
how gently you presented it
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you would immediately be
labeled as promoting bullying.
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And there is no way to
deal with it on the front-end.
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Because of the chilling effect
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that's been
developed and creating.
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Now that's very true.
We're running of the time.
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But I just want to []
passing comment for those
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particularly Seventh-day
Adventist who are watching
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but other people of
faith, different organizations
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that probably have
educational institutions
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that the design to
inculcate their particular
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take on a faith commitment.
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They may be under
increasing illusion
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about that because
schools even church run
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that are under
regular accreditation programs
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are probably forced
through different mechanism
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not at least of which dated
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to adopt this exact
same method of education.
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These exact same
lines of instruction
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and with the same consequence
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that even within
the church school
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a moral court fundamentalist
or orthodox religious viewpoint
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can be marginalized as
socially dangerous. Absolutely.
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And don't want to
illuminate on that too much
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but I know some cases
within the Adventist church
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that's happening right now.
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Absolutely and in
Canada we have organizations
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that have called
out Christian schools
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and tell them that
they are in violation
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of the principle
of academic freedom.
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Because their
teachers are not allowed
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to teach evolution
or the homosexuality
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as viable or productive
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and it's a real
issue, it's a real threat.
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You might lose funding.
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And should they
be academic freedom
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to deny the very church believes
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that established a safe haven
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to teach young
people of those families?
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That's right.
That's the question.
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When you
undermine the curriculum
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and so the state is
controlling the material
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with respect to curriculum
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when the state controls
and the teachers and professors
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and what they can
teach you basically
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lose your identity as
a Christian institution.
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One of the most
famous speeches of history
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is that made by
Socrates in ancient Greece
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after he was condemned to
death by drinking hemlock.
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So it was self administered--
condemned to death
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for subverting the
young of the nation state.
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The charge was that
he was subverting them
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by educating them
in wrong principles.
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The state and the indeed
people of moral persuasion
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who have gathered
around religious identities
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have long known that
educating young people
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is the way to change society
and it is not be trifled with.
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How unfortunate it is
that when we talk about
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religious liberty
and religious identity
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that even in progressive modern
states like United States,
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Canada and of course,
Australia and England and others
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very often the []
thinks that it knows best
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and it is actually
inculcating a cynicism
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and a doubt and even
an antagonism to religion.
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This is not its
place, this is not its place
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and I could wish
that such a system
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not people in
essence take hemlock
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and become
responsible and put to death
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this opposition to
true moral behavior.
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For Liberty Insider
this is Lincoln Steed.
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