Welcome to the
"Liberty Insider."
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This is a program
that brings you analysis,
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discussion and up
to date information
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on religious liberty events
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and developments
around the world.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
Editor of Liberty Magazine.
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And my guest on the
program is Grace Mackintosh.
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Now Grace, for our
viewers I should what--
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you have too many titles
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but the one that is
important for this program
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I think is that you are
Director of Public Affairs
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and Religious Liberty
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for the Seventh-day
Adventist Church in Canada.
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Correct.
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I want to talk about education.
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None of us can
have too much of that.
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We need to know about
this increasingly complex world
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and the popular
assumption is the education
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department,
schools, universities
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they will teach that to you.
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But I believe more and more
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educational
institutions are biased.
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Obviously, you
expect a Christian school
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to have a bias toward
teaching Christian values.
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But may be a state school
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is more biased
than people realize.
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They should think
initially the state has schools
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because it wants
to inculcate values
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that suit a person to function
in the society, the government
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and the governing
system as established.
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But I think more and more
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it's even a bit
bigger than that.
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There's a social agenda
that's different from the norm.
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All right. You find
that to be true in Canada?
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I agree that completely.
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I think that
education is under siege.
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I think they take advantage
of the educational setting
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to teach values and
a way of processing,
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a way of problem solving
and I see a manifestation
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of our teaching
methods for processing,
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for thinking and social issues.
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So can I give an example to you?
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Go ahead.
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One of my--an example
that I think is most poignant
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and it is when you
teach situational ethics--
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don't have a problem
with situational ethics
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but its become a
vehicle to promote
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certain kind of problem solving
and it shows up in real life.
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So it's a way of
teaching a culture of death.
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So an example is you have
heard, of these situations.
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You have a got a shipwreck
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and you have the lifeboat
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and the lifeboat can
only take five people
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and you've got seven.
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Right.
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And the students are not
required to solve the problem,
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they're only
required to do one thing
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and that's chose who dies.
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And what it's really teaching
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its teaching even they know
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when they come to
school that to kill is wrong.
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But they're being taught
that in certain situations
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especially in emergencies
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or in a crisis
people are expendable.
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And it doesn't
really matter who you pick
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because they're told
it's not right or wrong.
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You can pick the doctor.
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You can pick the pregnant
lady. You can pick whatever.
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You're not allowed
to have shark repellent.
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You're not
allowed to have ropes.
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You can't have a mindset
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that says everybody gets out
alive or we go down together.
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And you're processing,
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you're teaching
the children to think
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analytically in
a very small scope.
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Now you believe this
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is the sort of
think that is typically--
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It's taught in schools.
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You get a car-- you come across
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this a lot at all
levels of education
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including pro-secondary.
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And to me the way
I see that manifested
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and a social issue is abortion.
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Yeah. Right.
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We've got to crisis.
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There're unwanted babies, right?
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You can't have the mindset
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we want them
all to get out alive
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or we want to
prevent a pregnancies.
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That is not the mindset.
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The mindset is you
decide and the courts decide
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when are they expendable. Yeah.
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And it's really
teaching that you know
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there are humans
that are expendable
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and it comes at
the time of crisis.
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These reality shows are also
doing the much the same thing.
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The reality shows are
doing much the same thing.
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And may be they're
reflecting the norms of thinking
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that they're
getting in the schools.
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And Hollywood in
general is teaching
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that there are certain
humans that are expendable.
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I have a
friend-- this is thematic.
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I have a friend they
were at a Calgary stampede.
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And one of the rides-- a
little pod came flying off
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it was up in the air and
the pods had people in them.
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And flying off and
there were people hurt
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I don't know if
anybody was mortally hurt
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but there were seriously hurt.
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And her daughter said to her,
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oh mother I don't
know why you're so upset.
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We don't know anybody that
was in the pod. Incredible.
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But this is
Hollywood their hero is running
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and you know the
bullets are flying
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and you know the
people are dying and you just.
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You'll find
yourself thinking phew,
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I'm glad it wasn't his wife
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or I'm so glad
there wasn't the daughter.
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We didn't know that
person they're not involved
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with our little group
that we hope get through.
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And you get taught. You know--
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And what's that
statement that girl says,
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I mean on several levels
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in most particularly
there is no empathy.
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No there is
this desensitization.
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We only care if
it's someone we know.
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There are people on
the other side of it,
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there are people
that are expendable.
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Its okay, we didn't know them.
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It's okay, it's not the hero.
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You know, its okay,
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there wasn't
enough money you know
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for that baby to
have a good life.
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It's okay, the
mother didn't want them.
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And this reminds me of
one of the television shows
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that I cannot name
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but it's a weekly
drama and the hero.
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In Canada?
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You know, this is
in the United States.
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The hero is a serial killer
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but he only kills people
who deserved to be killed.
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And what are you being taught?
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You're being desensitized
to gratuitous killing
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for one thing and
you're being taught
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that there are certain
people who are expendable
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and they are the bad
people are always expendable.
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And I bring that
back to the curriculum
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that's being taught and Quebec
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and for 11 years the
children are being taught
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that fundamentalism is bad,
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extremism is bad,
and fanatics are bad.
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And I have a
picture that I collected
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and I will try to find it
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but it basically its
protesters with signs that say,
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"When we deal
with the Christian--
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you know fanatics
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then we'll have
really solved some problems."
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And conditioning
definitely works.
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You know we were
always talking about Hitler
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and people get offended
that you draw an analogy
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because certainly we
don't live in an Nazi regime now
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and how we come we don't know.
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But I think some
overdrawn analogies
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can still underscore things.
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Now Hitler tend on the Jews.
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I mean, that was
his personal bias
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that he used as a
government policy.
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But you know it happened
over a long period of time.
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The Roman Catholic Church
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the dominant Christian
church of the Middle Ages
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definitely encouraged the idea
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that the Jews
had crucified Christ
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and that they brought their
own punishment upon themselves.
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Even before the
church might have acted
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on that they were
inculcating the view deserve--
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you know people
deserve what they are getting.
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They were guilty parties.
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So then the church
started to act more aggressively
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and there were
programs and so on.
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And coming right
down to the Hitler age.
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You know that already
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it had been
planted in that society.
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You know as people that are
sort of under the frown of God
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they got what they deserve.
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And then the Nazis who
the people forget this,
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they were the first real case
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in the modern
world of propaganda
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as a tool, a calculated tool.
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And they had these films
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remember the pictures of
rats running through the cities.
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These are the Jews
infesting our society.
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These cursed people
that got what they deserve
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before now they're
coming at you and so on.
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And there were
several years of that
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before anything
really happened in Germany.
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They just planted the idea that,
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you know, these are
the scourge of our society,
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the problematic thing.
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The people that really
are under a curse anywhere.
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And so when bad
stuff started to happen
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it was like the
pod that flies off.
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Well don't worry they're not us,
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they're not Germans,
they're not real people,
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there's the people
that are troubled any how.
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I think it was
conditioning. Yes.
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And yes some very good
people not so much in Germany
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but in Holland and places
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reacted against it
and protected them.
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Not all human were subverted
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but the group
shift that came about
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by this sort of inculcation
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and just
reinforcement over and over.
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Yes. It was very
real and intoxicant.
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And you're right we're getting
into that same sort of stuff.
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I believe it.
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Its desensitization
and it creates a situation
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when the real thing happens
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there is no
cognitive dissonance.
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You know there is an acceptance.
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Yeah. You have
heard this before.
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You have seen this before.
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So I found the picture and sorry
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I can't show it to our viewers.
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But the sign says, life begins
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so it's a play
on when life begins
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with respective to abortion
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when you stand up
to Christian fascists.
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All right, so are
you are the enemy.
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You know,
Christians are the enemy.
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Christian
fascists are the enemy.
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And it's
thematic as I had saying,
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it's in
education, it's in media.
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Every time you turn around
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there is some
reference to a fascists
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or an extremist or a
fanatic or fundamentalist
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and they are becoming
public enemy number one.
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Now there is little off
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from where we're
heading with this
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but I think this
is partly enabled
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by too many
Christians rising to the bait.
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This is one of my burdens.
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Too many Christians
since the 70s in the US
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particularly have
taken a political cause.
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They're aggressive,
they're social engineering.
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Yes. In your face which get
legislative proposals in that.
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And there are perfect
foiled to this sort of stuff.
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But in a
nominally Christian culture
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which Canada and the U.S.
still are if more Christians
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where
exemplifying Christian values
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and showing the falsehood
of this sort of attack.
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It couldn't gain much traction.
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Right, again
back to the individual
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and the
regeneration of the heart.
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I quote from the Desire of Ages.
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In another program I would share
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the very powerful
quote from Ellen White.
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It was writing
about the life of Christ
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how He is was not
concerned with temporal power
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and political activity
but changing the heart.
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And I think that to
bring back to the educational
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setting that the students
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are being taught
to think analytically
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but they are not
being taught to reason
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from cause to effect.
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So when you narrow the
scope of your field division
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you really loose
the context within
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which these
discussions are being made
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such as abortion
or when life begins.
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And the threat is very real
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because you now
have a generation
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that is not processing.
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There are not problems solving
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in the context of
reasoning from cause to effect.
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They are just slicking
at the solving the problem
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how do we get
rid of the problem.
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Well we're going to
kill off the babies.
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That's the best way to do it.
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Well they're given
limited choices and it's,
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you know, here is
the question is it a,b,c.
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Yes, yes. That is the
standard educational--
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And this is how we
process our social problems.
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I want to read a quote
it's a letter written in 1899.
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It was written by Ellen
White a wonderful author.
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And Seventh-day Adventist author
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and pioneer of the church. Yes.
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And it was published
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in the SDA Bible
Commentary as well.
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It's the Bible commentary
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that the church
prepared for its members--
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They do. To help
understand Bible passages.
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It's interpretive
not adding to it. Right.
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"As a people we
do not understand
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as we should the great conflict
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going on between
invisible agencies,
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the controversy between
loyal and disloyal angels.
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Evil angels are
constantly at work,
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planning their line of attack,
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controlling as
commanders, kings, and rulers,
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the disloyal human forces.
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I call upon the
ministers of Christ
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to press home upon
the understanding of all
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who come within the
reach of their voice
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the truth of the
ministration of angels.
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Do not indulge in
fanciful speculations.
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The written Word
is our only safety.
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We must pray as did
Daniel, that we may be guarded
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by heavenly intelligences.
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As ministering spirits,
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angels are sent
forth to minister to those
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who shall be
heirs of salvation."
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And here's is what I
think is my takeaway.
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"Pray my brethren,
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pray as you have
never prayed before.
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We are not prepared
for the Lord's coming.
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We need to make
thorough work for eternity."
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And I think that these
issues are coming together
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in a
significant and powerful way
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and we need to pray as we--
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And that's
calling people of faith
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to a spiritual
sensibility to realize
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that battle is on a
spiritual level for us.
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Yes.
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We're running out of
time in this half of program.
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So I will make a
take a break here.
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But please come back
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we're dealing with
some serious issues
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under the
overarching title of Education.
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But how does it
affect societal viewpoints
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and indeed religious liberty.
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We'll be right back.
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