Welcome back to
the "Liberty Insider."
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Before the break with
guest Grace Mackintosh,
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we were discussing--
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and when I say discussing
that sounds sort of bloodless
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and just you
know nice repatriate.
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But we're getting quite
worked up at least I was.
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Internally I was
getting very agitated
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as you describe in Canada
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how in the education
field through the curriculum
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whether it's in, in the schools
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or in homeschooling there
is a projection of religion
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that would be
confusing to young people.
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And gets the parents say,
they'll be tripped up big time
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if they even suggest
some alternative to child
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or question some of these views.
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And then it turns very strange
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and joins in with
this the gay gender
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and the anti-bullying
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and so religious
viewpoint can easily be cast
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as against the social good
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and restrictive for
someone's personal prerogatives.
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Isn't this-- is
that a good description
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of where we're going?
It's an excellent description.
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And it's almost like a
social experiment. Yes.
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Where previously
held views of morality
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and that will be
instantly suspect
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and accused of being
against the common good. Yes.
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Against society. Yes.
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What do we do about this?
That's it is very interesting.
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Well, there is a random
sampling of opinions out there.
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So in Quebec as
we recently discussed
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this curriculum
that deals with religion,
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ethics and morality is
imposed in public schools,
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private,
parochial and homeschoolers.
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So you have to teach it
the way that is drafted.
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You cannot teach in
confessional setting.
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And it is a very
interesting dialog going on.
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Now say that again.
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I know what you
mean but for the viewers
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when you say you teach it
in a confessional setting.
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What do you mean by that?
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You can't say to
your child, no Johnny,
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this is what the material says
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but you know that
Christians believe this
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and the Bible says
this and that God--
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you know, especially
if you're a Christian
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there is no other God before me.
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You know, there is curriculum
is saying everything is equal.
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That's incredible, isn't
that? You can't say that--
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And as I understand it
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they've even stated in
a homeschooling situation
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it's not just
during that formal sit down
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that the parent
may have with the child
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to go over with the curriculum.
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Since it bleeds through into
a lot of their daily activity
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they can't say it
at anytime really.
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Right because what's in
educational opportunity. Right.
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You know you're
out and you're in about
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at the breakfast
table during worship,
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that's the
teaching moment. Right.
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And you know that
in the schools as well.
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So-- So how does this differ?
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You know that's a
rhetorical question.
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But how does this differ much
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from what
existed in Soviet Union
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where a young people
were being taught by the state
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anti-religious viewpoints,
antagonism towards religion
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and encouraged to
report on their parents
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if they taught them otherwise.
It has a very chilling effect.
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The end result is very similar
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I think if this
is followed through
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as they seem to tempt though.
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And it feels very oppressive
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and then we had
said in the last program
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that several
days after the release
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of the decision
of the supreme court
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with respect to
the Quebec curriculum,
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Alberta, the
Government of Alberta tables
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amendments to its education act
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which made it a
violation of the act
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if you in an educational setting
taught against homosexuality.
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So hundreds of
homeschooling parents
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gathered at the
Alberta Legislature
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and to protest the education
act the amendments to it
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and they've said the
restrictions to the freedom
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to teach their children
was in that those amendments.
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And members of the Alberta
Home Education Association
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called on education
minister Thomas Lukaszuk
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to uncouple the
Alberta Human Rights Act
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and the education act.
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Because basically as I
said the amendment said
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"If you were in
violation human rights act
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you were in
violation of the education act
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and then the
department of education
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the minister on
presidential power."
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And so they asked
for clarification.
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So in Alberta
the human rights act
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protects the front door
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but these amendments
were like a backdoor.
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So in Alberta the government
has thought about curriculum
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like the Quebec curriculum
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and if that was going
to be taught in the schools
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would the parents have the
right to remove their children.
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And they said yes and they
put it in the legislation so--
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But in homeschooling
there quote on the side.
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Well in a-- well
it's the backdoor right,
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so if you're
child is in any school
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and you aren't noticed
like the human rights acts says,
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that the school
has to provide notice
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that they are going to
teach about homosexuality
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or religion or sex education
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or anything that you might
feel in you know uncomfortable
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you are allowed
to remove your child
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when you're given that notice.
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And it's in the
human rights courts.
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So that's the front door.
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But what the
amendments to the education act
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were the backdoor,
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it's like okay, you
can remove your child
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if you're uncomfortable
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with the material
that's been presented.
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If it has to do with
morals, education, or sex
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but you're not
allowed to teach your child
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that's it's a
dangerous lifestyle.
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That those people die young.
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There are a lot of
adult immune diseases.
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There are all kinds of
issues you can't teach that
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because that's in violation
of the human rights court.
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And when the
homeschoolers pressed
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the minister for a definition
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of what is in
educational context.
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They said, that they wouldn't
provide them with clarification.
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And the--like I said the
amendments had two readings
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and they were
passed that two readings
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they just needed a
third reading to pass.
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And Alberta went to the polls
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with respect to
provincial government.
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And that government
barely got back in it
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and just squeaked
in through the door.
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So they probably gonna back off.
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And we have--that's
right, we haven't seen it since.
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But it creates
questions in your mind
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is to what is the
agenda. What's the agenda?
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And I was speaking to a
PhD he was at York University
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I was speaking to him
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and at meetings
in Downtown Toronto
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and I brought to his attention.
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Well Alberta has
already considered
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the issue of curriculum
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and they have
given statutory rights
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to parents to
withdraw their children.
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And what he said to me was, yes,
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and they got it wrong.
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There are certain dialogs
that children must participate
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and this is one of them.
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They must
participate in this dialog.
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You're clearly
passing on values.
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You know, when you're
talking passing on values,
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yeah, the education department
could do that in this case.
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But when I think of how the gay
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gender is being advanced
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its largely
being through the media
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where they have been inculcating
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this just constantly, constantly
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and secondarily through
the education department.
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And what's the end result?
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They have changed
the entire society
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to accept something
that was once anathema.
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So I wouldn't understate
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that all the value
of a new curriculum
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to move not just people of faith
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but a whole
society in a direction
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that might not have even been
intended or recognized initially
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under the guise
of just information.
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You soften up people
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in this case
compressional young people
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to look differently on a value
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that they themselves
wouldn't inherently come up
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and their parents
wouldn't ever wanted them
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to think that new direction.
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Well, with respect
to normative values
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the three main contributors
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that shape normative values are
family, education, and media.
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Sure media is and I'm not
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in that well
family should be first.
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I'm not sure in the 21st century
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where so much of
time is being spent
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even in the home in
front of the television.
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Not eating together and so
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and you always can't
put the family first.
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But it should have been but
I think the media is big time.
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I agree completely.
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And a lot of
education as you know--
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which I was in school and as
far as the entertainment factor
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but often they're
watching a television program.
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That's right.
Or a video program.
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So and you know I
have seen plenty of studies
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that you're normal defenses
in the sense of perception
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and the analysis and so on down
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when you're just
looking passively at a screen it
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just sort of soak straight
in. And soak straight in.
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And this is why one of tenets
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of the
curriculum really bothers me
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because it's
thematic and that is the idea.
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You know the indirect
kick at fundamentalism
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and not taking
things too seriously.
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And to me there is a
whole normative value
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built up around this issue
of who is the next public enemy.
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So you're teaching it
in the educational setting,
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if got it in the
media the last time
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I heard fundamentalism
was at the Boston bombings.
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Yeah, now we get to
be careful in language.
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Educators know
this better than anyone.
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Language can determine
your viewpoints. That's right.
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Your definition of word can--
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well, gay we're
talking about gays.
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It's come to mean something
totally different hasn't it?
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It's going to mean
something totally different
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than what we have experienced.
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And there is
recognition among educators
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of the power of curriculum.
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And they have the children
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during the
formative years of their life.
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And they have got
them for eight hours a day
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as supposed to the parents.
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And when they let them go
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the media has
such a huge effect.
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And I'd like to talk more
about this in a future program.
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For Christian
looking at the life of Christ
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there are those hidden years
between as a very young child,
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His family returned
from sanctuary in Egypt.
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And then as a grown man
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he reappears on
the banks of the Jordan
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for Baptism in the
beginning of His ministry.
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What happened
during this hidden years?
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We know that He was largely
taught by his mother at home
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because when he at the age of 12
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went to the temple
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here this unlearned child
was teaching them theology.
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But can you imagine
his mother teaching him
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the truths about
life and morality
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and the great
story of His people
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and how the Lord had led them.
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If periodically one
of the church leaders
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all of the centurions that come
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perking through the front doors
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and say you
cannot say such things.
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You're subverting this child.
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That was the very
essence of Jesus training.
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Just as today no
matter what the secular system
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or indeed the
church school they go to
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at home the parent's
role is to inculcate values
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that are commensurate
with that family structure.
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That is the risk today
where that is being restricted.
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For Liberty Insider
this is Lincoln Steed.
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