Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Scott Christiansen
Series Code: LI
Program Code: LI000172B
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00:02 Welcome back to the Liberty Insider.
00:04 Before the break with author Scott Christiansen, 00:06 we were talking about his book 'Planet in Distress. 00:10 I keep thinking about the global decline 00:12 --system decline which it's really about, 00:14 but it's called Planet in Distress. 00:15 Yes you do. 00:16 And in the first half of the program 00:18 I was teasing you out a bit on not just your book, 00:21 but your own philosophy which has led you 00:24 to the back blocks of western Maine. 00:29 Yeah. You know, 00:31 I wouldn't really call you a survivalist. 00:33 No, no, no. But still you really, 00:35 you know its a little different existence, 00:37 the living in one of the suburbs 00:39 of L.A. or New York. Very much. 00:41 And so I put you back more on self-sufficiency 00:44 and in a position as anyone that moves out of a city 00:47 you can see the natural systems at work. 00:49 You're participating in it. Yes, absolutely. 00:52 But let's revisit again what you put out so, 00:56 well I think and consistently in this book. 00:58 The idea that after sin which was the break 01:02 with Creator's original intent. 01:04 Man through his own actions and the world 01:07 really through the entropy that separation introduced. 01:11 As we're now part of just descending 01:16 cycle of system collapse, 01:18 the food systems, the man zone systems. 01:20 You know, we're in the middle of financial collapse now. 01:25 Those things are not improving. 01:26 It's getting more and more on wheel 01:28 if we mandate to maintain these systems. 01:31 Well, and are always interlinked. 01:32 Now, going back to your point 01:34 and Adventists certainly in Christians 01:37 generally have not typically connected end time 01:44 events or even the ongoing decay of moral--. 01:48 With the ecological sense. With an ecological sense, 01:50 right, right, I mean its environmentalism, 01:53 you know, what a terrible thing. 01:55 But and I'm not suggesting of course, 01:58 that everyone go out and you know, plant a tree. 02:01 Well, that's not a bad thing. But I'm not suggesting 02:03 that every one all a sudden dramatically change their life 02:06 in order to benefit the earth. 02:08 That's a good thing but if we are going 02:11 to dramatically change our lives. 02:13 Let's dramatically change our lives 02:14 in the service of Christ. 02:16 The point of the book is that the earth 02:19 has decayed to such a state and is now beginning 02:21 to very rapidly decay. 02:23 So we can now see the fulfillment of prophecy. 02:25 Specifically, Mathew 24 and in within Mathew 24, 02:29 specifically, verses 6 through 8. 02:30 We can see the prophecies made by Christ 02:33 Himself begin to come true 02:35 and we can certainly see the forces built. 02:36 There are some people may not be familiar 02:38 with those verses, what doe Christ says specifically in-- 02:41 Well, He says, there will be wars and rumors of wars. 02:44 Nation will rise against. That sounds familiar. 02:46 That--that sounds again familiar. 02:47 Nation will rise against nation. 02:49 And in an age of resource scarcity, 02:52 growing scarcity nation is already 02:54 positioning themselves to rise against nation. 02:57 Once you begin to see the pattern, 02:58 it's easy to see the conflicts. 02:59 Once you see the pattern, a lot of what make sense. 03:02 Like every one thinks for example, 03:05 that the war between Syria and Israel is just 03:09 sort of an ethnic jealous and ancestral war. 03:14 There is water wars between Syria and Israel 03:17 that are life or death. 03:19 And so to have access to the Jordan 03:20 or these aquifers is almost worth 03:23 up for them to go to war over. 03:24 You know, it's interesting you say that because 03:27 if you take a look at the water reservoirs in Israel. 03:32 They're at an all time low. 03:34 The Sea of Galilee which is the main reservoir 03:36 is what they call is at the black line. 03:39 They are not able to-- it has declined 03:41 so far the water levels have dropped 03:42 so far that they drop below the inlets to the pumps. 03:45 The equipment doesn't work 03:46 and this is what the nation relies on. 03:48 Now I've been reading and following it for longtime 03:49 and that's looming crisis that in some ways 03:52 even supersedes this-- this ongoing war 03:57 that you can track back to biblical times even. 03:59 You know, it's not that new. 04:00 Well, and you know Israel is on record 04:02 as saying that The War of 1968 04:05 had a tremendous amount to do with water. 04:07 And they designed the borders that they expanded it 04:11 in that war in order to accomplish again in water. 04:15 Going back to Mathew 24, Christ said, 04:19 that we will see a famine, that we'll see pestilents, 04:23 that we will see earthquakes in diverse places. 04:29 All of these things with the exception 04:30 of earthquake, I've to admit. 04:34 There is an explanation for that, 04:35 but all of these other things that Christ said. 04:37 We can see coming as a result 04:40 of the destabilization of the earth systems. 04:43 The very things that God created 04:45 to sustain life on the planet. 04:46 Why would you make an exception for earthquakes? 04:48 Well, it's more difficult 04:51 the science is not there to stand on right now. 04:54 It hasn't been greatly researched. 04:55 We know that the very founding-- 04:57 Circumstantial evidence-- 04:59 Circumstantial evidence, absolutely. 05:00 I look at this and I say, Satan cannot maintain 05:03 in perfect balance or even in any balance 05:06 at all what God created. 05:07 And the very foundations of earth are shaken. 05:11 You know, its interesting sin causing destabilization 05:16 throughout the planet causes us to look at everything 05:20 including biblical prophecy differently. 05:22 Absolutely, but let's look at the earthquake. 05:25 You know, if you draw the aquifers down, 05:27 that changes the very make up of the land masses self 05:31 it starts stretching cracking and all the rest. 05:33 Yeah. Man has exploited, have lost track of it. 05:39 But its tens of thousands 05:40 of nuclear bombs underground. 05:42 And they're fracking, they're fracking. 05:44 That's where I'm getting to-- the first of all the depletion 05:47 of underground reservoirs of oil. 05:49 That's like the lubricant between 05:52 plates and alloys often. 05:53 And then even adding an insult to that injury, 05:56 now fracking inserting under pressure what its, 06:00 its water sometimes, but under pressure 06:02 a fluid to force out gas and sometimes gasoline 06:06 just messing with the very structure of the earth. 06:11 Yes, there's other things like tectonic plate movement 06:13 that is independent of what we can do. 06:15 But I think we've upset, we've upset the balance 06:18 to some degree by our very own actions 06:20 that are now on the scale that mani 06:23 and prehistory couldn't have imagined. 06:24 This is the emerging science and it's not settled, 06:27 so I don't quote it. 06:28 My book is extensively referenced and footnoted, 06:31 because it has to do with science. 06:34 And I didn't want to put out something 06:37 that I couldn't stand on. 06:39 But what you're talking about is the emerging science. 06:41 And interestingly enough all over the world, 06:43 we've drawn down aquifers tremendously 06:46 and at an unsustainable rate. 06:47 You take a look at Midwest 06:50 and something called the Ogallala Aquifer. 06:53 I know you read a bit on this. 06:54 Yeah, the Ogallala Aquifer oh, it's a big deal. 06:56 Yes. The Ogallala Aquifer underlies eight states 06:59 and provides all the water needed for use in homes, 07:04 for use in industry and most significantly for use in crops. 07:08 And so there's tremendous amount of grains produced 07:11 in the U.S. that is reliant on the Ogallala Aquifer. 07:14 Well this Ogallala Aquifer, it's been extensively studied. 07:19 It runs out of water in 25 years 07:23 and that's a huge reduction in food. 07:26 And in fact you know, the edges are shrinking now, 07:28 where it's already going on. 07:30 But it's not isolated, this is happening allover the world. 07:33 Now, the aquifers going down, that's a necessary 07:37 part of food production in the breadbasket of the U.S. 07:43 And in India and in China. 07:44 Yeah, you were talking about the U.S. 07:46 with the Ogallala Aquifer. 07:48 But then you throw in the other thing 07:50 that we spoke about in another program, 07:52 the reliance on fossil fuels for fertilizer. 07:57 Absolutely. Most people don't realize that 07:59 within now largely because the first phase ran out. 08:03 The super phosphates, the Guano 08:06 and all the rest of islands like Nauru, it's gone. 08:08 It's right. And they were deposits 08:12 that were 100 of feet thick of both 08:14 droppings over the millennia. 08:16 That's gone in natural resources. 08:18 And Australia was involved with the strangest sort 08:22 of the trade around 9/11 refugees 08:26 from little bit after 9/11. 08:28 Refugees from Iraq tried there make their way to Australia. 08:32 And Australia intercepted in the Christmas 08:34 Island imprisoned them. 08:36 Some of them sewed there mouth shut 08:39 in reaction which is a strange thing. 08:43 So, in the end rather than sending them to Australia, 08:46 Australia sold them to Nauru $16,000 a head as I remember. 08:51 Wow. That was the deal and Nauru 08:53 took them and now they're citizens of Nauru, 08:54 that's their only income. They did island a favor. 08:58 Wow. But that's a strange story 09:01 to underscore that there's an incredible depletion 09:03 of what was a global resource there of Guano. 09:06 Now we're on to gasoline by products for fertilizer 09:11 and we know that even though it may or may not run out 09:15 in the next few decades depending on how you, 09:17 you know, whether you get 20 09:19 or 40 miles per gallon on your cab, 09:20 but it certainly going to make the stress 09:22 on the use of it for agriculture. 09:24 So something is in the offering. 09:26 Most people don't realize that we've now 09:29 a global industrial food production system. 09:32 There is very little backyard farming anymore. 09:36 And our global food production system is completely reliant 09:39 upon petroleum in the form of fertilizers 09:42 and in the form of pesticides 09:44 and also in the form of power for the machinery. 09:46 Absolutely, because its--. 09:47 Absolutely reliant. Huge machines. |
Revised 2014-12-17