Welcome to the
"Liberty Insider."
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This is the program
that brings you discussion,
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news, views and
up-to-date information
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on religious liberty,
developments around the world.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
Editor of Liberty Magazine
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and my guest on the
program is Greg Hamilton.
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Welcome, Greg. Thank you.
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We could talk
about a lot of things
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and I am hesitating because
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I need to
present this correctly.
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A Seventh-day Adventist,
Protestant Christians,
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you know, we're
part of a great heritage.
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As individuals
promoting religious freedom,
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we have to respect
all belief systems and,
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you know, we
believe that, you know,
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we've interpreted the
Bible correctly for our times.
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We don't believe
that Buddhism and so on
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are valid but
we have absolutely,
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we will defend to-- I
think you are the same as me.
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I have to defend to my death,
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the right of
someone to believe anything
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freely to practice that.
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But when we are talking
about religious freedom,
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when we talk about history,
prophecy, global developments,
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we can't ignore some of
the major players and Rome,
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the Pope of Rome and
the Roman Catholic Church
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has a long history, it goes
back before the reformation,
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it's made certain claims,
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it's carried on
persecutions at certain times,
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it is not a
persecuting power now.
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But when we look at prophecy,
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we see intimations that again
Rome will play a central role.
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Now you and I, I think
could comfortably now discuss
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what's going on now with Rome?
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There is some
documents coming out of Rome
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that are very problematic on
the future of religious freedom
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and as far as fulfilling
predictions against aggressive,
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a dominant world,
religious world view
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that may require
adherence to those points.
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Well, let me first
address Revelation 17,
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let me address a
document that just came out
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of the Pontifical
Council for Justice and Peace.
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Revelation 17 describes this
woman riding this beast, okay.
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Seems like the title
for a book, doesn't it.
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With ten horns and
ten heads essentially,
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and there are ten
kings that arise out of this
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which we know as
the European Union
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and European powers, and NATO.
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Well, we know
that, but this is a point
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that many Christians
have gotten way gone,
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because they left behind
books and others have taken
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a whole different
scenario, you know,
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with the secret
rapture and then the system
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that's left behind after that.
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They've got it horribly skewed
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but Protestant
Bible explain this,
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it is understood at the
way you are explaining now,
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it's not a new idea. Right.
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It's just been
ignored for a while.
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Well, it's symbolic the woman,
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the harlot the false
church sitting on the beast,
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a symbolic of her influence
to the kings of the world
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and how they drink of
the wine of her adulteries.
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And the beast, there
is always a false system.
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Correct, It ultimately
derive from the dragon.
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So there is heavy duty
political global influence
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going on dating back to the,
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you know, St.
Augustine's period,
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Constantine's period
where Rome began its rise
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and so on with
Justinian and so on.
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So from 538 A.D., clear to 1260
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and beyond when the
wound was or is healing today.
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Can I interject? Yes.
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The fatal flow of
Rome's development
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and of today was to
laying on the power of the state
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to support its
doctrinal viewpoint, right.
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That's where religious liberty
becomes vitally important,
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because we
believe in the separation
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of church and
state that the state
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which is into
compelling certain law
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shouldn't be part of
a religious equation.
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But the model I am
trying to paint here
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is something that I
have to elaborate here
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and that is basically the idea
that Rome leads from behind,
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it leads never out front as if
it's dominant and all powerful.
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Because like Stalin said,
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how many divisions
does the Pope have?
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Well, that was
actually an accurate statement.
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Yet the Pope and the
Vatican and the Popes
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who have been the
Popes throughout history
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has always lead
through secret diplomacy
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and influence behind the scenes.
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So that's been where
it's got this influence.
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So this picture of
this harlot riding the beast
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so to speak is a depiction
of the church riding the state
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or basically
pulling the strings like
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as if the beast were
puppet. That's a good point.
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Okay, so, so when you
get on to Revelation 17
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and you read
verses 12 through 14
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which says the ten
horns you saw ten kings
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who have not yet
received the kingdom
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but who for one hour
will receive the authority
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as kings along with beasts
says they have one purpose
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and will give their power
and authority to the beast,
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a lamb like beast,
Protestant America.
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And it says, they will
make a war against the lamb
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and His chosen
and faithful people.
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It says the lamb and
His chosen faithful people
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will overcome them,
okay. That's future, okay.
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We don't know when-- they
will spiritually overcome.
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We know that it will be a
global western US led alliance
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that brings us about,
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but behind the
scenes is always Rome,
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lurking behind the scenes,
that's why in verses 17 and 18,
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it says that, it
describes the city,
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it describes this
prostitute where it sits
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describes it as
waters which represent
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many people's multitudes
nations and languages,
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represents the whole globe
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essentially
it's influence, okay.
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And so its influence
has spread throughout,
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it's the largest
religion in the world,
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Islam comes close, but not
as close in terms of numbers
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what is Roman Catholic
Church is something like
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nearly two billion strong
and Islam is like 1.2 billion.
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So you have verses 16
and 17 where it says that
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these powers go
along with her influence
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or suggest they go
along with her influence
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as described by the
earlier part of the book
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Chapter 17 of Revelation.
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But then it says they
turn on her and eat her flesh,
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they burn her with fire.
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And so it suggests
that this global alliance,
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this world alliance
comes to a bad end for Rome,
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that they are upset, they
regret having followed Rome
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and wonder why
did we followed Rome?
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This has let us down a rosy path
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that ended up in
taken us to perditions.
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Well, it's the
whole point of the Bible
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that showed
that compromising sin
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doesn't work out well. Yes.
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I should explain
that the point of prophecy
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when John received the
Revelation at his time,
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it was very
unambiguous to all Christian
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reading this that
Rome was Pagan Rome
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was the
persecutor of the saints,
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it was the epitome of
all that oppose God's system.
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And it meant
manipulated kings and emperors.
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Absolutely, yes and it's
fairly easy to show historically
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how Pagan Rome
morphed into Papal Rome.
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In fact present
day Rome themselves,
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the Roman Church themselves
likes to trace that lineage.
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And it reached the
point with the fall of Rome
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at one point the vicar
of Rome comes out there
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and parlays with the barbarians
who were destroying the city,
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the civil power so disappeared
but here the religious leader
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was essentially the
leader of that state.
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I have this abridged version
of St. Augustine's city of Gods,
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a little paper back at
home and inside the introduction
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is written by the famous
philosopher Etienne Gilson.
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And in there he talks
about how St. Augustine
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perceived this city of God
or looked at the city of God
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and basically what
he was talking about
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Etienne Gilson writes
is a one world government.
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A one world
government that essentially
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was influenced by Rome
and of course at that time
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the western
power was Europe, okay,
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united especially
after the Westphalian pact
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or agreement in 1648 where
the-- where each European nation
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would be sovereign but would
live peacefully as neighbors
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with each other and promote
so called religious freedom
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and human rights
which emerged from that.
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Now it's worth mentioning,
I think with Augustine
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we can reasonably assume
that he didn't see his views
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as leading to persecution
and I think that many,
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if not most times
during the Papal era
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and even coming through today.
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I don't ascribe
the worst motives
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to the Papal
plans or to Roman plans.
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It's just that human
beings will tend that way
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and whenever you unite church
and state or political power
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and religious power,
it will come to a bad end.
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And so they've
embraced this poison pill
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of using political names
to create religious orthodoxy.
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The poison pills I
think has been swallowed
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is what we talked about
it in our earlier segment
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that we just filmed and
that is just war theory.
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It's that's the pill,
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that's the pill
because what it is.
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Because they think that
they have the right to act
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as governments do.
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You know, ultimately
and this is large socially.
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If you are really think
about it a civil government
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reserves the
right to use force. Yes.
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That's how it maintains itself.
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But even Paul says that they
wield not the sword in vain.
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But St.
Augustine was the first one
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actually in documented history
to come up with this idea
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of just war theory
along with Thomas Aquinas
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who actually applied.
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If you look at the
historical situation for time
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it was an expedient
doctrine that developed.
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St Thomas Aquinas
actually came up with
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more of an
international formula for it
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which has been
followed ever since.
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In the last segment we
talked about Barack Obama
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and how he
believes in just war theory
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from his upbringing in Catholic,
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mostly Catholic
schools during his upbringing.
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But this Pontifical
Council for Justice and Peace
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came up with a document
just a few weeks ago titled...
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Is there a date on it?
It just says Vatican City,
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2011 but it was
released in October.
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Yeah, around October.
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In October, and in says towards
reforming the international,
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financial and monitory systems
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in the context of
global public authority.
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And what they are calling for
is essentially a global agency
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or a global
governing authority to govern
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how money is used and
basically you would think that
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they were supporting the
occupied Wall Street movement
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saying that there is the poor
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and then there
is the few wealthy
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and therefore the
rich, the wealthy ought to be
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more just and
ought to be more noble
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and ought to distribute
that wealth more evenly,
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so that people don't suffer
in the name of the common good.
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Now, you know,
this document itself
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makes references to the
other people pronouncements
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going back several or
at least two of the Popes,
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but where I see an
immediate antecedent
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to this was in
the document in 2009.
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Caritas in Veritates,
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Papal Encyclical
given to Barack Obama,
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it lead the bank copy
as he went to the G10,
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I think it was
at that time. Yes.
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And it lays out
there that the plans
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for the new world order
and it's not bad reading,
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I am not offended as I read it,
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but you put it all together
and it sort of signals exactly
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what they are saying
here that the Rome sees itself
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as the God father
of the new world order
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that it administered
in a blanket application
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of moral principles that
created fairness in union
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and labor relations,
fairness in financial markets,
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helps the average
workers spiritually and so on.
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And John Paul the II,
advocated this sort of thing,
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but there is more coming out
by different Catholic experts
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so called that are
down playing this documents
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saying it's not a
particularly important document
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because the Vatican or the
Pope didn't give his blessing.
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When he thinks the
lady does protest too much.
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When in fact Pope Benedict went
to the United Nations in 2009
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and basically stated all of this
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two years in
advance of this document.
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Oh now, this is very central
to their present planning.
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absolutely, we will be
right back after a short break
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to continue this discussion
about something very pivotal
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to understanding
current world developments.
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Welcome back to
the "Liberty Insider."
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Before the break
with guest Greg Hamilton,
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we were talking about
some recent statements
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coming out of Rome.
Yeah, I want to read to you.
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And you have got
the text of one there.
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I want to read out
the Pontifical Council
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for Justice and Peace
there from their document called
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"Towards
Reforming the International
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Financial and
Monetary Systems in the Context
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of a Global Public Authority."
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They are calling for a
global governing authority
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for the world's monitory system.
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Here is what they say,
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and I know this is
kind of a big quote,
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but it's very important.
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On the way to
building a more fraternal
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and just human family
and, even before that,
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a new humanism
open to transcendence,
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Blessed Pope
John XXIII's teaching,
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he was the Pope in the late 50's
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and the early 60's
the Vatican II Pope.
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The grandfatherly oh God.
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Blessed John XXIII's teaching
seems especially timely.
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In the prophetic Encyclical
Pacem in Terries of 1963,
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he observed that
the world was heading
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towards ever
greater unification.
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In other words basically
predicting what we have said
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in our previous
program globalism
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and this interdependence
of nations led by the U.S.
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in the western global
alliance with of course the Pope
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and the Vatican influenceing it.
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He then acknowledged
the fact, this Pope,
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John the XXIII
that a correspondence
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was lacking in
the human community
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between the political
organization on a world level
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and the objective needs
of the universal common good.
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He also expressed
the hope that one day
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a one true world political
authority would be created.
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That's the
essence of this document.
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Of course the Vatican
has always advocated this,
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socialist
approach to world order
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which is very interesting,
because it really is
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a socialist approach with
some capitalistic overtones.
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It doesn't reject capitalism
per say anymore like it did
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John XXIII was very much in line
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with socialistic teaching
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and was not very
pro-western as a Pope.
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And it's not by
chance that Italy and Rome
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in particular it had a
long love affair with socialism.
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In other words, they use to say
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there are more
communists in Italy
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then the Soviet
Union at one point.
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Actually there's still
quite a few socialists there.
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And it didn't sort
of derive very naturally
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from what was
coming out of Catholicism.
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Yes, but at the
end of the document,
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this is what's interesting.
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They actually take
Genesis Chapter 11,
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verses 1 to 9 where it
talks about the Tower of Babel.
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And actually spins it
to mean something different
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than what actually happened.
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They say that the
through the account
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of the Tower of
Babel, the Bible warns us
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how the "diversity" of
peoples can turn into a vehicle
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for selfishness and
an instrumented division.
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And then it goes on
to basically say that
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the Tower of Babel doesn't
clarify that the Tower of Babel
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was actually defying
God in an attempt to build
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a one world order.
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So that there
would never be a flood,
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so that they
could defy God and unite
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all the human race into one.
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And God says no and he broke
it up into different languages
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and they grabbed
each other's throats
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and try to strangle each other
and that's was the disbursement
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or the division of all the
tribes throughout the earth.
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Interesting,
because in the mid 80's
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when the European
union was gathering strength,
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they chose a logo at that time
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and I haven't been
able to find a sense,
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so that it's fallen into disuse,
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but the graphic
symbol of the European Union
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was the Tower of Babel. Yes.
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So I believe that's what,
why that's been invoke there.
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But their argument is that
the diversity which occurred
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after God threw in
the different languages
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and cause them to
basically turn on each other,
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he is saying this
document is saying
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that's the
height of selfishness.
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Essentially
almost in a backend way
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endorsing the goals
of the Tower of Babel
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which is in defiance of God.
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Absolutely and the
European Union had this,
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it was something
roughly equivalent
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to the American statement,
you know, out of many one.
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Yes, that's the United
States of Europe so to speak.
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Yes. Yes. But there
is another connection
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here that I want to make.
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We've been troubled in
the religious liberty circle
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and you know about this for
some time with calls in Europe
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for a family day of
rest and that comes directly
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from the document
Caritas in Veritates
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and it's part of this
enlightened look at economics
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in capital and labor
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and that the workmen
needs this rest. Right.
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And it has gathered steam as
a secular at the time of rest
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except that every
church including Rome,
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but you know, all other
churches too are being keen out
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in pushing it and we
have seen beginnings of this
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in the United
States in North Dakota,
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they have just recently
passed a modern Blue Law
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that mandates Sunday closing,
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which is not extraordinary
in a certain sense,
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because there are many
Blue Laws still on the books
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that are not in force
or some that in New England
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I know they still
have some of the mandate
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look at closing
and things like that.
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There are some
respects for Sunday.
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But what I found very
significant in the North Dakota
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the one was the
local Catholic alliance
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for one of the better
term, but the organization there
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that was speaking
for the churches interest
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invoked this same
language from the Papal document
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that this is
necessary spiritual rest
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and then they went further
and said that they would expect
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that people could devote
this time to worship of God.
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What we have long
expected which happened
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in the middle ages
but at the end of time
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there will be this compulsion
to a false day of worship.
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We're seeing it come now
under disguise of globalism
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and of secularism and
just a necessity to rest.
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But since when did Rome
assume the moral authority,
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I mean to regulate
the world's economy,
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because you know, in
terms of giving to the poor.
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Well, I'll still remember.
And taking away from the rich.
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Banco Ambrosiano,
they would tell you
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that financial things not
to be trusted to churchmen--
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Well, the reason why I
bring that up is because
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you look at the
Pedophilia scandals,
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you look at the Vatican
essentially virtually bankrupt,
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you know, this idea that Rome
is the wealthiest institution
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in the world is pure nonsense.
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Oh sure, they have
the assets and buildings
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and statues and
cathedrals everywhere,
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but they don't have
much of a cash flow.
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In fact in 1982, the Vatican,
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it was headlines
I'll never forget,
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I was walking the streets
of New York City in Manhattan
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and I saw the headline
"Vatican sells valuable
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city states to the
Italian government"
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so essentially the
Vatican which is considered
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a sovereign nation state
and the world's largest church,
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okay both a state and a church
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sits on a very small
piece of property now instead
00:22:03.95\00:22:06.97
of having all those Vatican
city states surrounding it.
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It sold it back to
the Italian government
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so to speak for
needed cash flow.
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I thought that was interesting
back then back in the 80's
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because it suggest that
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Roman Catholic
Church is not only,
00:22:19.68\00:22:23.34
this is
interesting symbolically,
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morally bankrupt, but
it's monetarily bankrupt.
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Well, so what authority
does do they have to press
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for a one world
governing authority
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regarding the world economy.
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Who are they to speak?
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Yeah, we could
certainly ask that question
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and when I think
back on Great Controversy.
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No, but who do
they think they are?
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Seventh-day
Adventist, Seventh-day Adventist
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should be reading
Great Controversy,
00:22:46.49\00:22:47.68
Ellen White wrote it, you
know, well over a century ago.
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And she said that in our
era the sins and the problems
00:22:50.33\00:22:56.69
with the Rome will be revealed
exactly at the same time
00:22:56.70\00:22:59.32
as its strength
increases and this is certain,
00:22:59.33\00:23:01.35
it doesn't make sense.
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And leave it to
the Irish to ban it's,
00:23:02.81\00:23:08.75
the Vatican are
baser to Ireland,
00:23:08.76\00:23:11.07
to totally cut diplomatic times
00:23:11.08\00:23:13.95
over the brouhaha
of Pedophilia scandals
00:23:13.96\00:23:17.54
erupting allover Ireland.
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I mean Ireland,
the President there
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has taken a very strong stand.
00:23:20.91\00:23:22.80
I forget his name, do
you remember his name.
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I don't remember his
name but he has come out
00:23:24.58\00:23:27.35
very strongly in the news
over the last several months
00:23:27.36\00:23:30.23
and there has been
this absolute clash
00:23:30.24\00:23:32.71
between Rome and Ireland.
00:23:32.72\00:23:34.17
And you know, I think
it's fitting that Ireland
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would actually clash like that
because Ireland has always been
00:23:36.60\00:23:40.30
historically at the forefront
even though they are split
00:23:40.31\00:23:44.09
between
Catholics and Protestants,
00:23:44.10\00:23:46.31
it seems that even
the Irish Catholics
00:23:46.32\00:23:48.51
have come to the side of the
Protestant view against Rome.
00:23:48.52\00:23:51.64
Now, we need to say something,
00:23:51.65\00:23:52.82
you know, we don't
want to be so biased
00:23:52.83\00:23:55.93
that we are
uninformed and illogical.
00:23:55.94\00:23:58.18
Pedophilia is an
emerging problem,
00:23:58.19\00:24:00.66
and it may be its just
the emerging reality of it
00:24:00.67\00:24:04.87
quite apart from
Roman Catholic Church,
00:24:04.88\00:24:06.83
you know, I could
argue the structure
00:24:06.84\00:24:08.94
of the priesthood sort
of lends itself to that,
00:24:08.95\00:24:11.31
but it's not just in
the Roman Catholic Church.
00:24:11.32\00:24:14.07
Well Pope Benedict the
XVI came out with a statement
00:24:14.08\00:24:16.32
when he was in Africa recently
that essentially stated that
00:24:16.33\00:24:21.07
while Pedophilia
occurred back in those days
00:24:21.08\00:24:23.29
and now was just that era.
Right. And as if to excuse it.
00:24:23.30\00:24:26.39
Well, you are getting to the
point that I am trying to play.
00:24:26.40\00:24:28.05
That's not excusable. It's not
just that it's in the priesthood
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we have seen a huge
spate of revelation.
00:24:31.48\00:24:34.57
But it's the churches
response that is the problem,
00:24:34.58\00:24:37.48
that it's covering
up, there is denial,
00:24:37.49\00:24:40.13
there is obfuscation which
is I was covering up with it.
00:24:40.14\00:24:43.05
But their argument is
that they have the right
00:24:43.06\00:24:44.88
to handle their
own internal affairs
00:24:44.89\00:24:46.68
without other governments
breaking in their offices
00:24:46.69\00:24:49.83
and taking records and documents
00:24:49.84\00:24:51.98
like they did in
Belgium recently.
00:24:51.99\00:24:53.22
And this is the
issue of Thomas A Becket
00:24:53.23\00:24:56.17
in the Middle
Ages and ironically
00:24:56.18\00:24:57.97
this is another
program that we may have
00:24:57.98\00:25:00.17
and we might had
before on a Supreme Court case
00:25:00.18\00:25:02.91
as on a table with the ministry
00:25:02.92\00:25:04.95
like exception
is being looked at.
00:25:04.96\00:25:07.25
Yeah, so some of the
old issues of the past
00:25:07.26\00:25:10.13
or will this again and
the Roman Catholic Church
00:25:10.14\00:25:12.16
is showing us quite
clearly, that they did believe
00:25:12.17\00:25:14.99
that it's about civil power.
00:25:15.00\00:25:16.38
Yes. That it's the primary--
The sovereign immunity.
00:25:16.39\00:25:19.34
And another thing
that came out recently
00:25:19.35\00:25:21.33
that I was quite
amazed to read it.
00:25:21.34\00:25:24.32
You were
mentioning their property.
00:25:24.33\00:25:26.12
And this is why on this
program I will object to Rome,
00:25:26.13\00:25:29.18
because they were
church and the state
00:25:29.19\00:25:30.90
and that's the worst combination
for religious freedom.
00:25:30.91\00:25:33.56
that's what they think
they have sovereign immunity
00:25:33.57\00:25:35.32
in all of these
Pedophilia scandals
00:25:35.33\00:25:37.29
that they are untouchable.
00:25:37.30\00:25:38.81
And they made a
comment the other day
00:25:38.82\00:25:40.39
that I thought was bold.
00:25:40.40\00:25:42.94
They said that their
sovereign nation status is not
00:25:42.95\00:25:46.99
because of
Mussolini and his gift
00:25:47.00\00:25:51.41
of some little property in Rome
00:25:51.42\00:25:52.76
that their state status
goes much back much further.
00:25:52.77\00:25:56.98
You're talking
about the Lateran Treaty.
00:25:56.99\00:25:58.80
Yeah, but the Lateran
Treaty with Mussolini. Right.
00:25:58.81\00:26:00.94
They didn't mention the
treaty, they just alluded to it.
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But they had an earlier claim
that's a rather damning claim.
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Yeah, the way I see the
whole situation lining up
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with this document is
that despite the fact that
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pendants and
Catholic pendants are saying
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that this is not a document
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that originates
from the Vatican,
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therefore should
be taken seriously.
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I think we have
to take it seriously
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because the Pope himself both
stated at the United Nations
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and in other places
in a separate document
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has called for a
world governing authority
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regarding the world economy.
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And I think that's very serious.
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And so my question is
where do they have the moral
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and economic and
global authority to do that?
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I say they have none
and to me that's prophetic.
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When Peter and John
turned up in the temple
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after Christ resurrection
speaking of the risen Christ.
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They were challenged by the
authorities with the question
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"By what authority do
you say these things?"
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As I look around at some
of the religious activities
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in particular
activities and pronouncements
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of the Roman Catholic Church,
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I am reminded of
that, because constantly
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that church is
referring to its authority
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and as a Christian, as a
Bible believing Christian,
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I know that that's
always a danger sign.
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God is the ultimate authority.
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He's never
delegated it to His people,
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to His priest, to His
leader to speak for Him
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out of the
fullness of their own heart.
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And I do
believe that as we enter
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these last days of history,
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arguably the last
days because of prophecy,
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the question more and
more is going to develop
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down into on what authority.
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The church fathers, the
church leaders or God's word.
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It's really
incumbent upon all of us
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who value religious liberty,
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all of us who are
looking for solutions
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to the world's problems,
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to look at the
point of authority,
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is it God, is it man, or worse
is it religion speaking for God.
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This is Lincoln steed
for "Liberty Insider."
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