Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Greg Hamilton
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Program Code: LI000155
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00:22 Welcome to the "Liberty Insider."
00:24 My name is Lincoln Steed, editor of Liberty Magazine. 00:27 And this is the program that brings you news, 00:30 views and up to date information 00:32 and discussion on religious liberty events. 00:35 My guest on the program is Greg Hamilton. 00:38 Welcome, Greg. Thank you. 00:39 For our viewers information, you're the President 00:42 of the Northwest Religious Liberty Association, 00:45 which of course is connected 00:47 with the North American Religious Liberty Association 00:50 that's run out of Washington, DC. 00:51 We partner with them, yes. Absolutely. 00:53 You've been on the program before 00:55 and I'm looking forward to our discussion 00:57 because I can see you're well prepared, well prepared. 01:01 Even before the program we were talking about 01:04 some of the things that you wanted to share. 01:06 And you know, the United States is not the center of the world, 01:09 although we think so, we live here. 01:11 But it's definitely very important in biblical prophecy 01:15 and more and more it's the key player 01:17 on religious liberty issues, isn't it? Yes. 01:20 Where do you think the United States is heading 01:22 with some of these geopolitical changes 01:24 that we see in the news everyday? 01:27 I think there is, what's developing 01:28 is United States-led Western Global Alliance 01:31 that's expanding even more. 01:33 Instead of the U.S. getting weaker, 01:34 I think it's actually getting stronger. 01:36 And when I look at Daniel 2 and the ten toes 01:39 representing the divided kingdoms of Europe. 01:43 And then when you look at Revelation 17 verses 12 to 14 01:47 where it talks about the ten kings unite for one hour 01:51 with the lamb like beast. 01:53 You've learned a lot of prophecy and that quickly. 01:55 That's significant because those paradigms are models, 01:59 represent a much larger global alliance. 02:02 I mean, at one time we had the G-7 02:04 then it became the G-8. 02:05 Now it's the global powers the G-20. Yeah. 02:10 The leading powers and rising powers, 02:11 they decide to include rising powers 02:13 such as China, India and Brazil. 02:15 Well it's definitely globalism, you're right. 02:17 Yes, and so there's been a greater interdependence 02:22 among nations to support each other 02:25 and follow a rules-based International Liberal Order. 02:28 So we are heading towards world order so to speak, 02:32 but how are we getting there? 02:34 So you think the United States is the, 02:38 still the indispensable nation. 02:39 Correct, and most of your Foreign Policy Analyst 02:42 both foreign and U.S. intellectuals 02:45 and policy makers are saying the same thing. 02:48 That even in the Arab Spring, 02:51 in the Middle East the protesters. 02:54 Even though they get upset with the U.S. 02:56 not responding to their concerns or supporting their protest, 02:59 because we're concerned with Islamic extremism 03:02 taking over those countries. 03:04 At the same time they appeal to us 03:06 because they know that not only 03:07 are we the power broker, but we're only 03:09 the fair power broker in the world. 03:11 Yeah, let me, let me bounce something off you 03:13 and you may not agree. 03:15 But, you know, I've traveled a lot and lot of people, 03:19 I think in many countries envy or have envied 03:22 or aspired to the American lifestyle. 03:25 I'm not so sure that that's always the case anymore, 03:29 but what I think is the key to why the U.S. 03:32 still inspires so many countries, 03:33 this is a country with a revolutionary heritage. 03:37 This is a break from the past. 03:39 And it's the ideal of these countries who, 03:42 you know, Gaddafi in Libya and Mubarak in Egypt. 03:47 These were despotic or heavy handed regimes 03:51 that really, you know, went back ages and ages. 03:54 They hadn't really had their revolutionary moment. 03:56 Well, we can't exclude monetary or economic 04:00 and modern evolvement, so to speak, 04:03 but--because they surely 04:05 want that these other evolving countries. 04:07 But what they're looking for is the fairness 04:09 and the democratic ideals that we represent, 04:12 the values that United States 04:14 and the Western Global Alliance represents 04:16 which includes of course Europe. 04:18 And so it's these factors that say that the rising powers, 04:24 even though they are not all powerful so to speak, 04:28 they want to join the international, 04:30 this liberal international order. 04:32 And the United States wants to help them abide 04:35 by the rules of that international order. 04:37 That's vital, because if they don't follow the rules 04:40 which is, the United States concern, 04:42 it's Europe's concern that players like China, 04:46 who if left to itself is illiberal 04:49 and somewhat bellicose in its approach to it's, 04:53 not only its neighbors that surround them 04:55 but to the rest of the world. 04:57 And so, in order to help them save face, 05:00 we have to help them behave in a way 05:03 that which is difficult to do. 05:06 How do you help somebody save face 05:07 and then help to behave? Help them to bear 05:08 the white man's burden. Yes, yes. 05:10 You know, but, you know that 05:11 that's the colonial idea that we know better 05:16 and we will sort them out. 05:18 Do you really think that that's the way 05:20 ahead for the Untied States and for Western Europe. It is. 05:23 To just sort of train up these 05:26 near far countries in the way that they should go? 05:28 Well it is because the people, they're people, 05:31 not so much the governments. 05:33 But their people want what 05:35 the Universal Declaration of Human Rights represents. 05:38 They want freedom and they want 05:40 to be part of that global organization. 05:42 So that their religious freedom, 05:45 their human rights will be upheld, 05:47 of which it's been trampled under. 05:49 So that's the key and that's the value 05:52 that the world looks to from the United States, 05:54 from the United Nations and from the Western powers-- 05:56 Yeah, absolutely and I think you're getting close 05:57 to what I'm suggesting. 05:58 I think it's the revolutionary heritage that America represents 06:02 this break with the past where individuals 06:06 and nations can have self fulfillment, 06:07 self-determination. Yes. 06:09 That's what they envy in the United States 06:11 and I think other elements with it, 06:13 of necessity since it's a dominant power 06:15 that does things. It's military mart, 06:17 even it's interference in their affairs, 06:20 and they don't always like that. 06:24 But there's always this sort of the city 06:26 set on a hill aspect of the United States 06:28 that draws everyone on. 06:30 It's my belief that U.S. foreign policy 06:32 and foreign policy in general is the key component 06:37 to understanding Bible prophecy. 06:39 A key component. Because I find often times 06:42 we get so bogged down into reading the fine points 06:46 of what Daniel 11 says and what is this king or that king. 06:49 I think those are all important historically, 06:52 but when you get to verses 40 and 45. 06:54 I think clearly to understand world events, 06:58 it's true, you can't superimpose 07:00 current world events upon scripture. 07:02 But nevertheless you can't ignore world events 07:05 and get lost in the forest of scripture. 07:07 So I think you have to balance the two 07:10 and I think this, an interdisciplinary approach 07:13 to Bible prophecy is absolutely important. 07:16 Well you've got something you want to share there, 07:17 I can see you, you just showing 07:19 towards your underlining, what's this article? 07:21 John Ikenberry wrote an article in Foreign Affairs journal 07:26 called "Will the Liberal Global Order Outlast America?" 07:28 And he says, definitely, but he says 07:31 who's gonna be the leader of that? 07:32 And he says, the United States and he wrote 07:34 the book called "Liberal Leviathan, 07:36 The Origins, Crisis, and Transformation 07:38 of the American World Order." 07:40 And he says that, yes, we've had 07:42 some economic setbacks and so on and so forth. 07:46 But the achievements have been incredible. 07:49 I mean, when you stop to think about it, 07:51 the achievements are breathtaking. 07:54 And he lists them in four areas. 07:56 He says, "If the architects of the postwar liberal order 07:59 were alive to see today's system, 08:02 the American Global system, they would think 08:05 that their vision had succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. 08:08 And so instead of America in decline 08:10 it's actually prospering and creating a wider, 08:14 bigger global alliance. What is occurring 08:16 is not American decline but a dynamic process 08:19 in which other states are catching up 08:20 and growing more connected. 08:21 In an open and rule-based international order, 08:23 this is what happens. And so they said, 08:27 "Markets and democracy have spread. 08:29 Societies outside the West are trading and growing. 08:31 The United States has more alliance partners today 08:34 than it did during the Cold War. 08:36 Rival hegemonic states with revisionist and illiberal." 08:41 What hegemonic? Oh, it's an old word from the cold-war. 08:44 Hegemony, yeah. I'm not sure most people understand that. 08:47 Rival states that are growing in power 08:51 with revisionist and ill liberal agendas 08:54 have been pushed off the global stage, except for China. 08:57 And this article deals mostly with China and its rise. 09:01 But can we go back to. Yes. 09:03 I think, it's important for our viewers. Yes. 09:04 I remember listening in the bad old days 09:07 of the Vietnam War to the radio 09:09 from North Korea or even from China. 09:11 And they were always railing on the hegemony. Right. 09:16 The American wars. What do you see is, 09:19 that's clearly a word used by the communist, 09:23 we never use to use it, now I read it all the time? 09:26 Well, just because during the Cold War 09:28 there was a struggle between the United States 09:30 and the Soviet Union for basically a world power. 09:34 And the America tried to restore 09:38 the balance of power so to speak. 09:40 And the only way they could do that was lessen 09:43 the Soviet influence and basically defeat communism. 09:46 Which they did, they were the winners, 09:48 they rose up to be the sole superpower. 09:50 But in that process, instead of out of necessity 09:54 after World War II being that lead competitor 09:58 to spread liberal democratic values worldwide. 10:03 They no longer looking to hierarchic approach 10:06 where out of necessity they had to lead 10:07 in the world during that time. 10:09 I would even argue after 9/11 as a result in 9/11. 10:13 George Bush, and so on, they felt 10:16 that they had to jump out in front and lead. 10:18 Because they felt that Europe didn't have the strength 10:20 or even the willingness to jump out 10:22 and deal with terrorism globally. 10:24 So in that sense, it was similar 10:26 to a reaction World War II. 10:27 Now everybody's having to just take a step back 10:30 and realizing that because of our ability 10:33 to prop other countries up, 10:35 with our liberal democratic approach, 10:37 with our liberal economic approach, 10:39 these nations have now risen. 10:40 Indonesia, Brazil, India, even China 10:44 who we've helped for years. 10:45 All of the sudden rise and they seem 10:48 threatening to some people. 10:50 But in the United States, they wanna see them as, 10:52 see it as an opportunity to bring them 10:55 into the global market of ideas, 10:57 to bring them into this increased global alliance. 11:00 It's new world order so to speak. 11:02 In many ways the China story 11:04 is a success to U.S. policy to open up global markets 11:07 and spread the principles 11:11 of the free market to other countries. 11:13 We haven't yet changed the political structure 11:15 of China, but underneath it all. 11:18 But still it very much apes a Western democracy 11:22 and its business practices and many of them 11:25 and its business model. So it's been a success, 11:28 but it it's not a total success. 11:29 With that comes the idea of force, 11:31 however, because through the UN Security Council, 11:34 United States and cooperating nations. 11:36 Of course China's on it. China on it, yeah, that's. 11:38 Tends to use its sanctioning power 11:41 to bring nations under control, 11:44 to force them to abide by these international rules. 11:47 You're getting what I'm trying push. 11:48 Rules. Forcing to abide. Yes. 11:50 It seems to me the word hegemony is sort of. 11:55 You know, going back to the old antitrust days. 11:57 Yes. It was a monopoly. 11:58 A monopolistic international power 12:00 that has military, economic and ideological forces 12:04 that it brings to barracks, hegemonic. 12:06 And I think that connects very nicely 12:08 to what prophecy says about a power, 12:11 a world power that will compel people 12:13 to a certain type of behavior. 12:15 That's where we're headed, yes. 12:16 So I do believe that it does apply to the United States, 12:20 it doesn't have to be a loaded term. 12:22 Because it's not all bad but when it relates 12:24 to religious liberty it's totally bad. 12:26 When you force someone to worship 12:29 or regard God or not, disregard God a certain way. 12:34 Well, and as I talked about in the last filming 12:36 that we had back in March. 12:39 President Obama has this approach 12:42 to U.S. International Religious Freedom Policy 12:44 and Human Rights. That is anything 12:47 like what we understand today, in terms of religious freedom 12:50 in United States or even Article 18 12:52 of the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights 12:54 at the U.N. It's a process whereby they say, 12:57 okay, in Indonesia you're developing 13:00 democratic reform that's fine. 13:01 The Muslim world, they're in Indonesia. 13:03 But you are saying, you have to peacefully coexist. 13:07 And therefore to peacefully coexist means, 13:09 you cannot proselytize. 13:11 You cannot do that lest 13:14 you break that peaceful coexistence. 13:15 There's now a question that there's been a shift 13:17 in how it's being treated. 13:18 We'll be back after the break to further discuss this issue. 13:22 Very interesting and I hope you stay with us. 13:32 One-hundred years, a long time to do anything, 13:36 much less publish a magazine, but this year Liberty, 13:40 the Seventh-day Adventist voice of religious freedom, 13:43 celebrates one-hundred years of doing what it does best, 13:47 collecting, analyzing, and reporting 13:49 the ebb and flow of religious expression 13:51 around the world. 13:53 Issue after issue, 13:55 Liberty has taken on the tough assignments, 13:57 tracking down threats to religious freedom 13:59 and exposing the work of the devil 14:01 in every corner of the globe. 14:03 Governmental interference, personal attacks, 14:05 corporate assaults, even religious freedom issues 14:08 sequestered within the Church community itself 14:11 have been clearly and honestly exposed. 14:14 Liberty exists for one purpose to help God's people 14:17 maintain that all important separation of Church and State 14:21 while recognizing the dangers inherent in such a struggle. 14:25 During the past century, 14:26 Liberty has experienced challenges of its own, 14:29 but it remains on the job. 14:31 Thanks to the inspired leadership 14:33 of a long line of dedicated Adventist Editors, 14:35 three of whom represent almost half 14:37 of the publications existence 14:39 and the foresight of a little woman from New England. 14:42 One-hundred years of struggle, 14:44 one-hundred years of victories, 14:46 religious freedom isn't just about political machines 14:50 and cultural prejudices. 14:51 It's about people fighting for the right 14:54 to serve the God they love as their hearts 14:57 and the Holy Spirit dictate. 14:59 Thanks to the prayers and generous support 15:01 of Seventh-day Adventists everywhere. 15:04 Liberty will continue to accomplish its work 15:06 of providing timely information, 15:08 spirit filled inspiration, 15:10 and heaven sent encouragement to all who long to live 15:14 and work in a world bound together by the God 15:17 ordained bonds of religious freedom. 15:30 Welcome back to the "Liberty Insider." 15:32 Before the break I was talking with guest Greg Hamilton 15:35 about American power and perhaps 15:38 its implications for religious freedom. 15:41 Where do you think this is going? 15:43 Is the United States heading in a illiberal direction 15:46 as well as you say, 15:47 "Gaining a certain type of power is it goes?" 15:50 Yeah, while the rest of world 15:51 is looking at the United States for leadership, 15:53 it's actually compromising. 15:56 It's becoming both democratic, but socialistic, 16:00 it's following the European path of democratic socialism. 16:02 So it's trying to meet the world half way 16:05 and meet everybody where they're at, 16:07 it's also true in international religious freedom policy. 16:10 Whereby President Obama is basically saying 16:13 that in order to reform the Arab Muslim World 16:16 and the Muslim Indonesian World. 16:20 He's putting forth a model 16:21 that's called "Peaceful Coexistence," 16:23 that and it's the same answer 16:25 that's coming from Rome, the Vatican. 16:26 This idea that if we just all learn to peacefully coexist, 16:30 then we'll be fine. 16:31 Well, you know, it's such a bad thing. 16:33 Well it is, because what it does is it basically defies 16:37 Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. 16:40 And even the United States high ideal 16:42 of religious freedom in its constitution. 16:45 And here's how it does it. 16:46 It basically says, 16:47 "You have a right to peacefully coexists," 16:49 so let's say all religions come together in one room, okay? 16:52 You have a right to share your faith 16:53 in that controlled environment. 16:55 But outside of that, you don't dare proselytize 16:57 or evangelize anyone and anyone 16:59 of your faith they're not convert. 17:02 Because if they equate proselytization 17:05 or evangelization with coercion and that's problematic. 17:09 So what it does is it takes the standard that's so high 17:12 in the U.S. Constitutional Model and Article 18 17:16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 17:18 and it takes it back to this notion of religious tolerance, 17:21 which is what the puritans had. 17:22 The puritans says-- Absolutely, 17:23 I think you're onto something. 17:24 You Baptists, you Quakers, 17:28 you have a right to peacefully coexist with us. 17:30 But you cannot proselytize us nor can any of you, puritans, 17:34 I felt you cannot convert lest you face fine, 17:39 punishment, torture, and even death under the blasphemy laws. 17:43 And I hate to say it and this may seem extreme. 17:46 But it seems like we're going backwards instead of forwards. 17:49 Now we've been, before the break 17:51 you and I were talking about a tendency that was observed 17:54 in the Obama administration a few months ago 17:57 to use freedom of worship instead of freedom of religion. 18:00 And that's place in a same idea that you can practice 18:04 your rituals in a certain environment but you can't, 18:07 as you say, project your religion 18:10 against another one, you can't proselytize, 18:12 you can't stretch the boundaries 18:14 of your religious faith. 18:15 And that's a key, they don't say that you can't. 18:17 They just highly discourage it. 18:19 Well, no, not always they don't. 18:21 But there was that infamous declaration 18:24 that at least had some life within the United Nations 18:27 where they specifically said that religions 18:32 can't be insulted, that you can't try to proselytize 18:36 in certain countries which lead by Islamic Countries. 18:38 That was an attempt by the Arab League, 18:39 which it, it didn't know anywhere, yeah. 18:41 Well I know that's why I said it say that was a brief thing 18:43 but it had a little half life of about a year. 18:46 But it showed that there's this resistance 18:49 to Article 18 and to the principles 18:51 of the U.S. constitution. Now on one level, 18:53 I don't think that the U.S. 18:55 or any other country has a right to enforce 18:59 even religious freedom on another country. 19:01 But it has an obligation to uphold this principle 19:05 and not to compromise its own principle. 19:07 And that's the problem that some of these 19:10 public statements are a compromise. 19:13 I find it interesting that along with this, 19:16 you got Saudi Arabia who just recently came out, 19:18 it was in New York Time saying that, 19:20 "They want to be the ecumenical center 19:23 of the world along with Rome. 19:24 In terms of creating a religious revival 19:28 and where all religions come and unite together." 19:30 And I thought that was interesting 19:31 because for Saudi Arabia to make such a pronouncement 19:35 is almost full hubris. 19:38 I mean, it's just, it seems ridiculous. 19:40 But yet, when you look-- 19:41 Well they are the keeper of the holy place, 19:42 two of the most holy places of Islam, 19:47 Mecca and Medina, I think it is. 19:49 When you look at Turkey's calling against, 19:53 calling for Assad to step down from Syria. 19:56 When you look at the Arab League saying to Syria, 19:59 you're gonna lose your seat. 20:00 In fact you no longer have a seat on the Arab League. 20:03 Jordan kings, Abdullah of Jordan saying, 20:08 you know, step down, Assad. 20:09 You have all these elements. 20:11 Even Israel now, refashioning its foreign policy 20:15 and talking again to Turkey and trying to make peace. 20:18 You see, even Afghanistan before the loya jirga, 20:21 you see Hamid Karzai saying that, 20:24 "We need to keep the United States, 20:26 we need to gravitate or pull towards Western powers 20:31 and not the other way around 20:32 to the East like China and Pakistan." 20:35 In his speech just last week, 20:37 I mean, it just absolutely blew me away. 20:39 Because they've been so hostile to American interest lately. 20:42 But all of a sudden it seems like the entire Middle East 20:46 is gravitating to the U.S. led Global Western Alliance. 20:51 Well, this globalism that's a work, 20:53 of course, as I think we started saying, 20:56 this is a revolutionary era and everything is up for grabs. 21:01 And there's a lot of rivalries 21:02 between those Middle Eastern countries. 21:04 And I think we shouldn't discount that, 21:07 it's not necessarily part of a grand plan. 21:10 But the grand ideal of globalism 21:13 is advancing through this revolutionary moment. 21:16 I think that's absolutely true and the inherent tendency 21:23 of all great powers to impose certain orders. 21:25 I think is emerging through, 21:27 through both the United States and through Europe. 21:30 And prophecy says that at some point 21:32 this will turn to a religious compulsion. 21:35 Right now, it's, you know, drawn from the sky 21:37 and boycotts and embargos and all the rest. 21:40 There are many elements of weaponry 21:43 that the great powers use. 21:45 And they still don't hesitate at all to use them. 21:48 But when it comes down to a personal evident, 21:49 they compel you or I to worship a certain way, 21:52 then we cry for help. 21:54 Lincoln, I think you are right on target, 21:55 there is an article in the New York Times, 21:57 titled another war, "Another Victory 21:59 for a New Approach to War." 22:01 It's an editorial by Mark Landler 22:03 and David Leonhardt in the New York Times. 22:04 And they are talking about how United States 22:08 is now taking a new approach, 22:09 leading from behind. 22:10 But it also talks specifically about its weaponry 22:14 and its approach and especially its technological approach. 22:17 This new approach to war, they're saying, 22:21 basically Micah Zenko of the Council 22:23 on Foreign Relations says this, 22:25 "The lessons of the big wars are obvious. 22:28 The cost in blood and treasure is immense, 22:30 by sending troops over to Iraq and Afghanistan. 22:33 And the outcome is unforeseeable. 22:35 So he writes, public support at home declines 22:38 as it has toward rock bottom. 22:41 And then he says, and the people 22:42 you've come to liberate come to resent your presence. 22:45 And so, quick fast, lightening raids 22:47 like in Libya with drones, okay? 22:50 Or with terrorists in Pakistan or Afghanistan 22:53 with drones, okay? 22:55 Is the foreseeable way that wars 22:57 would be fought in the future? 22:59 And Economist Magazine has a full feature 23:02 article called the "Flight of the drones. 23:04 Why the future of air power belongs to unmanned systems?" 23:08 And how the United States will be hard pressed 23:14 to control the proliferation of technologies 23:18 that will arise in other nations. 23:19 So what did Jesus say, "Wars and rumors of wars." 23:22 Yes, so. What we're seeing 23:23 is the proliferation of war 23:25 under the logic of less big wars. 23:28 There's gonna be lots of small war. 23:30 And perhaps no one will yet dare to send the drones 23:34 from their country over Washington DC., 23:36 but you know that Israel has already 23:40 got well advanced drones. 23:41 China and Russia, France, Britain. 23:45 So you're going to see them 23:46 freelancing on other countries, 23:47 but what I think we're witnessing is the, 23:50 and ironically the Pope and his document, 23:52 Caritas and Veritate's comments on this. 23:55 There is the breakdown of national sovereignty 23:58 of sovereign territory. 24:00 At will country's like the United States 24:02 are going and bombing and killing and assassinating. 24:05 We talk about terrorism, you know, 24:08 I love the United States, but it's changing dynamic. 24:11 We need to recognize that this is national terrorism 24:15 on other countries and it breaks the old world order. 24:18 And there has to be a new world order coming out of this, 24:20 because we've changed the old ones radically. 24:23 Yeah, and when Revelation speaks to ten horns 24:26 being ten kings, it's actually talking about a global alliance, 24:30 it's much larger than the number 10. 24:32 Yeah. It's just only symbolic and so. 24:34 Absolutely, yes those are, yeah, 24:36 there symbolic showing that there's a critical mass 24:38 of the rulers of the world that come together 24:42 and give their minds over to one purpose. 24:44 Listen to actual words of the text, 24:45 "The ten horns you saw are ten kings 24:47 who have not yet received a kingdom, 24:49 but who for one hour will receive authority 24:52 as kings along with the beast, 24:54 they have one purpose and will give their power 24:56 and authority to the beast, lamb like beasts, 24:58 being in the United States." 24:59 They will make war against the lamb 25:01 but the lamb will overcome them 25:02 because he has lord of lord 25:03 and king of kings and with him 25:04 will be is Called, Chosen and Faithful followers. 25:07 So in the end not that I want to delve on persecution 25:10 of God's people in the end. 25:12 But clearly in the end where the final target 25:15 before the Lord comes. 25:17 Yeah, and we need to be careful. 25:19 A lot of what we're doing is describing changes 25:21 in the geopolitical order. Correct. 25:23 These are real changes. Right. 25:24 They don't necessary--well they have moral component. 25:27 Because there's international morality 25:29 and morality of behaviors between peoples of nations. 25:31 But they don't automatically 25:33 have a religious liberty implication, 25:36 it's just when we trace it through, 25:38 we see the degree of control that represents. 25:41 Yes. And in many ways 25:43 a move toward illiberalism, this is the irony. 25:46 As I said earlier many countries are rising up 25:50 modeling the revolutionary origins of the United States. 25:53 Yes. And wanting freedom self determination. 25:55 Yes. But the net result is less individual freedom of choice. 26:00 In fact, there is a model for that, 26:02 it's called democratic dictatorship 26:03 and it's modeled actually in China. 26:05 Even though it's communists there. 26:07 You have a system whereby they say 26:09 that people as a whole dictate 26:12 their will to all the people. 26:14 And of course there's a cultural willingness to give 26:16 over to the needs of the majority 26:19 in the countries like China. 26:21 It's possible that we're heading down the road 26:24 that is unpredictable and even scary. 26:28 But I really believe that what we have here 26:31 is a world order that nobody ever conceived of, 26:35 except for scriptures. Scriptures foretold this event. 26:38 And I think that is something for us to consider. 26:41 When we look at this new world order, 26:43 it is not a friendly world order. 26:46 So let's remember that. 26:50 As I read the Book of Revelation, 26:52 it's impressed me several times 26:54 that there are phrases like these nations 26:57 or the world give themselves over 27:00 or give their minds over to a certain way of thinking. 27:04 And really as I think about what's happening in this world 27:06 and all of the talked of the new world order. 27:09 Talked by the way which is guaranteed 27:12 to bring letters to the editor of the Liberty Magazine 27:14 if we ever put anything about the new world order? 27:17 But the new world is reformulating 27:20 itself before arise. 27:21 And when I think about that there is the temptation, 27:24 for nation's to bring a new way of thinking 27:27 that maybe contrary to God's way. 27:29 The United States maybe in seeming decline, 27:32 but its influence is on the rise. 27:35 And there is a correlation of the willing 27:38 as George Bush said years ago. 27:40 A correlation which is giving their minds over 27:43 to a new world order way of thinking. 27:45 Partly of necessity and perhaps with agendas 27:49 that we will see might include a religious agenda, 27:53 a world form of worship to honor a deity 27:57 that more and more people realize 27:59 we need on our side if we're to solve 28:01 the problems of the future. The new world order. 28:05 This is Lincoln Steed for Liberty Insider. |
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