Welcome to the
"Liberty Insider."
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
editor of Liberty Magazine.
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And this is the
program that brings you news,
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views and up to date information
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and discussion on
religious liberty events.
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My guest on the
program is Greg Hamilton.
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Welcome, Greg. Thank you.
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For our viewers information,
you're the President
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of the Northwest
Religious Liberty Association,
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which of course is connected
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with the North American
Religious Liberty Association
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that's run out
of Washington, DC.
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We partner with
them, yes. Absolutely.
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You've been on
the program before
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and I'm looking
forward to our discussion
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because I can see you're
well prepared, well prepared.
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Even before the
program we were talking about
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some of the things
that you wanted to share.
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And you know, the United States
is not the center of the world,
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although we
think so, we live here.
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But it's definitely very
important in biblical prophecy
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and more and more
it's the key player
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on religious liberty
issues, isn't it? Yes.
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Where do you think the
United States is heading
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with some of these
geopolitical changes
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that we see in
the news everyday?
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I think there
is, what's developing
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is United States-led
Western Global Alliance
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that's expanding even more.
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Instead of the
U.S. getting weaker,
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I think it's
actually getting stronger.
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And when I look at
Daniel 2 and the ten toes
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representing the
divided kingdoms of Europe.
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And then when you look at
Revelation 17 verses 12 to 14
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where it talks about the
ten kings unite for one hour
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with the lamb like beast.
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You've learned a lot of
prophecy and that quickly.
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That's significant because
those paradigms are models,
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represent a much
larger global alliance.
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I mean, at one
time we had the G-7
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then it became the G-8.
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Now it's the global
powers the G-20. Yeah.
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The leading
powers and rising powers,
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they decide to
include rising powers
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such as China, India and Brazil.
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Well it's definitely
globalism, you're right.
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Yes, and so there's been
a greater interdependence
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among nations to
support each other
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and follow a rules-based
International Liberal Order.
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So we are heading
towards world order so to speak,
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but how are we getting there?
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So you think the
United States is the,
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still the indispensable nation.
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Correct, and most of
your Foreign Policy Analyst
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both foreign and
U.S. intellectuals
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and policy makers are
saying the same thing.
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That even in the Arab Spring,
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in the Middle
East the protesters.
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Even though they
get upset with the U.S.
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not responding to their concerns
or supporting their protest,
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because we're
concerned with Islamic extremism
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taking over those countries.
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At the same time
they appeal to us
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because they know that not only
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are we the power
broker, but we're only
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the fair power
broker in the world.
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Yeah, let me, let me
bounce something off you
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and you may not agree.
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But, you know, I've traveled
a lot and lot of people,
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I think in many
countries envy or have envied
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or aspired to the
American lifestyle.
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I'm not so sure that
that's always the case anymore,
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but what I think is
the key to why the U.S.
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still inspires
so many countries,
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this is a country with
a revolutionary heritage.
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This is a break from the past.
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And it's the ideal
of these countries who,
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you know, Gaddafi in
Libya and Mubarak in Egypt.
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These were despotic
or heavy handed regimes
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that really, you know,
went back ages and ages.
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They hadn't really had
their revolutionary moment.
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Well, we can't
exclude monetary or economic
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and modern
evolvement, so to speak,
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but--because they surely
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want that these
other evolving countries.
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But what they're
looking for is the fairness
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and the democratic
ideals that we represent,
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the values that United States
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and the Western
Global Alliance represents
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which includes of course Europe.
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And so it's these factors
that say that the rising powers,
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even though they are not
all powerful so to speak,
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they want to join
the international,
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this liberal
international order.
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And the United States
wants to help them abide
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by the rules of
that international order.
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That's vital, because if
they don't follow the rules
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which is, the
United States concern,
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it's Europe's concern
that players like China,
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who if left to
itself is illiberal
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and somewhat bellicose
in its approach to it's,
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not only its
neighbors that surround them
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but to the rest of the world.
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And so, in order to
help them save face,
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we have to help
them behave in a way
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that which is difficult to do.
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How do you help
somebody save face
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and then help to
behave? Help them to bear
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the white man's
burden. Yes, yes.
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You know, but, you know that
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that's the colonial
idea that we know better
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and we will sort them out.
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Do you really
think that that's the way
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ahead for the Untied States
and for Western Europe. It is.
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To just sort of train up these
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near far countries in
the way that they should go?
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Well it is because the
people, they're people,
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not so much the governments.
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But their people want what
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the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights represents.
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They want freedom and they want
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to be part of that
global organization.
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So that their religious freedom,
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their human
rights will be upheld,
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of which it's
been trampled under.
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So that's the key
and that's the value
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that the world looks
to from the United States,
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from the United Nations
and from the Western powers--
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Yeah, absolutely and I
think you're getting close
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to what I'm suggesting.
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I think it's the revolutionary
heritage that America represents
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this break with the
past where individuals
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and nations can
have self fulfillment,
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self-determination. Yes.
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That's what they
envy in the United States
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and I think
other elements with it,
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of necessity since
it's a dominant power
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that does things.
It's military mart,
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even it's
interference in their affairs,
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and they don't always like that.
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But there's always
this sort of the city
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set on a hill
aspect of the United States
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that draws everyone on.
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It's my belief
that U.S. foreign policy
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and foreign policy in
general is the key component
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to understanding Bible prophecy.
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A key component.
Because I find often times
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we get so bogged down
into reading the fine points
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of what Daniel 11 says and
what is this king or that king.
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I think those are all
important historically,
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but when you get
to verses 40 and 45.
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I think clearly to
understand world events,
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it's true, you can't superimpose
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current world
events upon scripture.
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But nevertheless you
can't ignore world events
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and get lost in the
forest of scripture.
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So I think you
have to balance the two
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and I think this, an
interdisciplinary approach
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to Bible prophecy is
absolutely important.
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Well you've got something
you want to share there,
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I can see you, you just showing
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towards your underlining,
what's this article?
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John Ikenberry wrote an article
in Foreign Affairs journal
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called "Will the Liberal
Global Order Outlast America?"
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And he says,
definitely, but he says
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who's gonna be
the leader of that?
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And he says, the
United States and he wrote
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the book called
"Liberal Leviathan,
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The Origins,
Crisis, and Transformation
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of the American World Order."
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And he says that, yes, we've had
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some economic setbacks
and so on and so forth.
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But the achievements
have been incredible.
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I mean, when you
stop to think about it,
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the achievements
are breathtaking.
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And he lists them in four areas.
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He says, "If the architects
of the postwar liberal order
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were alive to
see today's system,
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the American Global
system, they would think
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that their vision had succeeded
beyond their wildest dreams.
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And so instead of
America in decline
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it's actually
prospering and creating a wider,
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bigger global
alliance. What is occurring
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is not American
decline but a dynamic process
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in which other
states are catching up
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and growing more connected.
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In an open and
rule-based international order,
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this is what
happens. And so they said,
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"Markets and
democracy have spread.
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Societies outside the
West are trading and growing.
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The United States has
more alliance partners today
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than it did during the Cold War.
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Rival hegemonic states
with revisionist and illiberal."
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What hegemonic? Oh, it's
an old word from the cold-war.
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Hegemony, yeah. I'm not sure
most people understand that.
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Rival states that
are growing in power
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with revisionist
and ill liberal agendas
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have been pushed off the
global stage, except for China.
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And this article deals
mostly with China and its rise.
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But can we go back to. Yes.
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I think, it's
important for our viewers. Yes.
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I remember
listening in the bad old days
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of the Vietnam War to the radio
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from North Korea
or even from China.
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And they were always
railing on the hegemony. Right.
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The American wars.
What do you see is,
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that's clearly a word
used by the communist,
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we never use to use it,
now I read it all the time?
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Well, just because
during the Cold War
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there was a struggle
between the United States
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and the Soviet Union
for basically a world power.
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And the America tried to restore
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the balance of
power so to speak.
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And the only way they
could do that was lessen
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the Soviet influence and
basically defeat communism.
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Which they did,
they were the winners,
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they rose up to be
the sole superpower.
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But in that process,
instead of out of necessity
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after World War II
being that lead competitor
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to spread liberal
democratic values worldwide.
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They no longer
looking to hierarchic approach
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where out of
necessity they had to lead
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in the world during that time.
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I would even argue after
9/11 as a result in 9/11.
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George Bush,
and so on, they felt
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that they had to jump
out in front and lead.
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Because they felt that
Europe didn't have the strength
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or even the
willingness to jump out
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and deal with
terrorism globally.
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So in that sense, it was similar
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to a reaction World War II.
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Now everybody's having
to just take a step back
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and realizing that
because of our ability
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to prop other countries up,
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with our liberal
democratic approach,
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with our liberal
economic approach,
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these nations have now risen.
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Indonesia,
Brazil, India, even China
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who we've helped for years.
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All of the sudden
rise and they seem
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threatening to some people.
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But in the United
States, they wanna see them as,
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see it as an
opportunity to bring them
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into the global market of ideas,
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to bring them into this
increased global alliance.
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It's new world
order so to speak.
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In many ways the China story
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is a success to U.S.
policy to open up global markets
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and spread the principles
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of the free market
to other countries.
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We haven't yet changed
the political structure
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of China, but underneath it all.
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But still it very much
apes a Western democracy
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and its business
practices and many of them
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and its business
model. So it's been a success,
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but it it's not a total success.
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With that comes
the idea of force,
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however, because
through the UN Security Council,
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United States and
cooperating nations.
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Of course China's on it.
China on it, yeah, that's.
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Tends to use its
sanctioning power
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to bring nations under control,
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to force them to abide by
these international rules.
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You're getting
what I'm trying push.
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Rules. Forcing to abide. Yes.
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It seems to me the
word hegemony is sort of.
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You know, going back
to the old antitrust days.
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Yes. It was a monopoly.
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A monopolistic
international power
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that has military,
economic and ideological forces
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that it brings to
barracks, hegemonic.
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And I think that
connects very nicely
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to what prophecy
says about a power,
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a world power
that will compel people
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to a certain type of behavior.
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That's where we're headed, yes.
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So I do believe that it
does apply to the United States,
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it doesn't have
to be a loaded term.
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Because it's not all
bad but when it relates
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to religious
liberty it's totally bad.
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When you force
someone to worship
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or regard God or not,
disregard God a certain way.
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Well, and as I talked
about in the last filming
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that we had back in March.
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President Obama
has this approach
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to U.S. International
Religious Freedom Policy
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and Human
Rights. That is anything
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like what we understand today,
in terms of religious freedom
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in United States
or even Article 18
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of the Universal
Declaration Of Human Rights
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at the U.N. It's a
process whereby they say,
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okay, in
Indonesia you're developing
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democratic reform that's fine.
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The Muslim world,
they're in Indonesia.
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But you are saying, you
have to peacefully coexist.
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And therefore to
peacefully coexist means,
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you cannot proselytize.
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You cannot do that lest
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you break that
peaceful coexistence.
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There's now a question
that there's been a shift
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in how it's being treated.
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We'll be back after the break
to further discuss this issue.
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Very interesting and
I hope you stay with us.
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One-hundred years, a
long time to do anything,
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much less publish a
magazine, but this year Liberty,
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the Seventh-day Adventist
voice of religious freedom,
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celebrates one-hundred years
of doing what it does best,
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collecting,
analyzing, and reporting
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the ebb and flow of
religious expression
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around the world.
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Issue after issue,
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Liberty has taken on
the tough assignments,
00:13:55.12\00:13:57.44
tracking down
threats to religious freedom
00:13:57.45\00:13:59.40
and exposing the
work of the devil
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in every corner of the globe.
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Governmental
interference, personal attacks,
00:14:03.34\00:14:05.93
corporate assaults,
even religious freedom issues
00:14:05.94\00:14:08.61
sequestered within the
Church community itself
00:14:08.62\00:14:11.06
have been clearly
and honestly exposed.
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Liberty exists for one
purpose to help God's people
00:14:14.10\00:14:17.71
maintain that all important
separation of Church and State
00:14:17.72\00:14:21.43
while recognizing the dangers
inherent in such a struggle.
00:14:21.44\00:14:25.47
During the past century,
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Liberty has experienced
challenges of its own,
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but it remains on the job.
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Thanks to the
inspired leadership
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of a long line of
dedicated Adventist Editors,
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three of whom
represent almost half
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of the publications existence
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and the foresight of a
little woman from New England.
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One-hundred years of struggle,
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one-hundred years of victories,
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religious freedom isn't
just about political machines
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and cultural prejudices.
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It's about people
fighting for the right
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to serve the God
they love as their hearts
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and the Holy Spirit dictate.
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Thanks to the
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Liberty will continue
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of providing timely information,
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00:15:08.62\00:15:10.17
and heaven sent encouragement
to all who long to live
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and work in a world
bound together by the God
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ordained bonds of
religious freedom.
00:15:17.43\00:15:20.67
Welcome back to
the "Liberty Insider."
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Before the break I was
talking with guest Greg Hamilton
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about American power and perhaps
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its implications
for religious freedom.
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Where do you
think this is going?
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Is the United States
heading in a illiberal direction
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as well as you say,
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"Gaining a certain
type of power is it goes?"
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Yeah, while the rest of world
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is looking at the
United States for leadership,
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it's actually compromising.
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It's becoming both
democratic, but socialistic,
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it's following the European
path of democratic socialism.
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So it's trying to
meet the world half way
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and meet
everybody where they're at,
00:16:05.91\00:16:07.45
it's also true in international
religious freedom policy.
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Whereby President
Obama is basically saying
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that in order to
reform the Arab Muslim World
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and the Muslim Indonesian World.
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He's putting forth a model
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that's called
"Peaceful Coexistence,"
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that and it's the same answer
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that's coming
from Rome, the Vatican.
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This idea that if we just
all learn to peacefully coexist,
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then we'll be fine.
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Well, you know,
it's such a bad thing.
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Well it is, because what
it does is it basically defies
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Article 18 of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights.
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And even the
United States high ideal
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of religious
freedom in its constitution.
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And here's how it does it.
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It basically says,
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"You have a right to
peacefully coexists,"
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so let's say all religions
come together in one room, okay?
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You have a right
to share your faith
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in that controlled environment.
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But outside of that,
you don't dare proselytize
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or evangelize anyone and anyone
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of your faith
they're not convert.
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Because if they
equate proselytization
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or evangelization with
coercion and that's problematic.
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So what it does is it takes
the standard that's so high
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in the U.S. Constitutional
Model and Article 18
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of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights
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and it takes it back to this
notion of religious tolerance,
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which is what the puritans had.
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The puritans says-- Absolutely,
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I think you're onto something.
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You Baptists, you Quakers,
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you have a right to
peacefully coexist with us.
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But you cannot proselytize
us nor can any of you, puritans,
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I felt you cannot
convert lest you face fine,
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punishment, torture, and even
death under the blasphemy laws.
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And I hate to say it
and this may seem extreme.
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But it seems like we're going
backwards instead of forwards.
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Now we've been, before the break
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you and I were talking about
a tendency that was observed
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in the Obama
administration a few months ago
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to use freedom of worship
instead of freedom of religion.
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And that's place in a
same idea that you can practice
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your rituals in a certain
environment but you can't,
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as you say,
project your religion
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against another one,
you can't proselytize,
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you can't stretch the boundaries
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of your religious faith.
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And that's a key, they
don't say that you can't.
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They just highly discourage it.
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Well, no, not always they don't.
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But there was that
infamous declaration
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that at least had some
life within the United Nations
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where they
specifically said that religions
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can't be insulted, that
you can't try to proselytize
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in certain countries
which lead by Islamic Countries.
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That was an
attempt by the Arab League,
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which it, it didn't
know anywhere, yeah.
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Well I know that's why I said
it say that was a brief thing
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but it had a little
half life of about a year.
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But it showed that
there's this resistance
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to Article 18
and to the principles
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of the U.S.
constitution. Now on one level,
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I don't think that the U.S.
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or any other country
has a right to enforce
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even religious
freedom on another country.
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But it has an obligation
to uphold this principle
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and not to
compromise its own principle.
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And that's the
problem that some of these
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public
statements are a compromise.
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I find it interesting
that along with this,
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you got Saudi Arabia
who just recently came out,
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it was in New
York Time saying that,
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"They want to be
the ecumenical center
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of the world along with Rome.
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In terms of
creating a religious revival
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and where all religions
come and unite together."
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And I thought
that was interesting
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because for Saudi Arabia
to make such a pronouncement
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is almost full hubris.
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I mean, it's just,
it seems ridiculous.
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But yet, when you look--
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Well they are the
keeper of the holy place,
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two of the most
holy places of Islam,
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Mecca and Medina, I think it is.
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When you look at
Turkey's calling against,
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calling for Assad to
step down from Syria.
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When you look at the
Arab League saying to Syria,
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you're gonna lose your seat.
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In fact you no longer
have a seat on the Arab League.
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Jordan kings,
Abdullah of Jordan saying,
00:20:03.09\00:20:08.13
you know, step down, Assad.
00:20:08.14\00:20:09.66
You have all these elements.
00:20:09.67\00:20:11.23
Even Israel now,
refashioning its foreign policy
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and talking again to
Turkey and trying to make peace.
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You see, even Afghanistan
before the loya jirga,
00:20:18.69\00:20:21.64
you see Hamid
Karzai saying that,
00:20:21.65\00:20:24.24
"We need to keep
the United States,
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we need to gravitate or
pull towards Western powers
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and not the other way around
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to the East like
China and Pakistan."
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In his speech just last week,
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I mean, it just
absolutely blew me away.
00:20:37.35\00:20:39.16
Because they've been so hostile
to American interest lately.
00:20:39.17\00:20:42.67
But all of a sudden it seems
like the entire Middle East
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is gravitating to the U.S.
led Global Western Alliance.
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Well, this
globalism that's a work,
00:20:51.72\00:20:53.86
of course, as I
think we started saying,
00:20:53.87\00:20:56.48
this is a revolutionary era
and everything is up for grabs.
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And there's a lot of rivalries
00:21:01.17\00:21:02.61
between those
Middle Eastern countries.
00:21:02.62\00:21:04.51
And I think we
shouldn't discount that,
00:21:04.52\00:21:07.54
it's not necessarily
part of a grand plan.
00:21:07.55\00:21:10.59
But the grand ideal of globalism
00:21:10.60\00:21:13.43
is advancing through
this revolutionary moment.
00:21:13.44\00:21:16.00
I think that's absolutely
true and the inherent tendency
00:21:16.01\00:21:23.14
of all great powers
to impose certain orders.
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I think is emerging through,
00:21:25.85\00:21:27.28
through both the United
States and through Europe.
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And prophecy says
that at some point
00:21:30.56\00:21:32.94
this will turn to a
religious compulsion.
00:21:32.95\00:21:35.53
Right now, it's, you
know, drawn from the sky
00:21:35.54\00:21:37.93
and boycotts and
embargos and all the rest.
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There are many
elements of weaponry
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that the great powers use.
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And they still don't
hesitate at all to use them.
00:21:45.51\00:21:48.04
But when it comes
down to a personal evident,
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they compel you or I
to worship a certain way,
00:21:49.85\00:21:52.51
then we cry for help.
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Lincoln, I think
you are right on target,
00:21:53.99\00:21:55.48
there is an article
in the New York Times,
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titled another
war, "Another Victory
00:21:57.96\00:21:59.74
for a New Approach to War."
00:21:59.75\00:22:01.19
It's an
editorial by Mark Landler
00:22:01.20\00:22:02.98
and David Leonhardt
in the New York Times.
00:22:02.99\00:22:04.96
And they are talking
about how United States
00:22:04.97\00:22:08.09
is now taking a new approach,
00:22:08.10\00:22:09.36
leading from behind.
00:22:09.37\00:22:10.37
But it also talks
specifically about its weaponry
00:22:10.38\00:22:14.59
and its approach and especially
its technological approach.
00:22:14.60\00:22:17.28
This new approach
to war, they're saying,
00:22:17.29\00:22:21.42
basically Micah
Zenko of the Council
00:22:21.43\00:22:23.46
on Foreign Relations says this,
00:22:23.47\00:22:25.03
"The lessons of the
big wars are obvious.
00:22:25.04\00:22:28.02
The cost in blood
and treasure is immense,
00:22:28.03\00:22:30.54
by sending troops over
to Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:22:30.55\00:22:33.65
And the outcome
is unforeseeable.
00:22:33.66\00:22:35.63
So he writes, public
support at home declines
00:22:35.64\00:22:38.62
as it has toward rock bottom.
00:22:38.63\00:22:41.00
And then he says, and the people
00:22:41.01\00:22:42.59
you've come to liberate
come to resent your presence.
00:22:42.60\00:22:45.03
And so, quick
fast, lightening raids
00:22:45.04\00:22:47.94
like in Libya with drones, okay?
00:22:47.95\00:22:50.59
Or with terrorists in
Pakistan or Afghanistan
00:22:50.60\00:22:53.09
with drones, okay?
00:22:53.10\00:22:55.44
Is the foreseeable way that wars
00:22:55.45\00:22:57.94
would be fought in the future?
00:22:57.95\00:22:59.01
And Economist
Magazine has a full feature
00:22:59.02\00:23:02.09
article called the
"Flight of the drones.
00:23:02.10\00:23:04.57
Why the future of air power
belongs to unmanned systems?"
00:23:04.58\00:23:08.06
And how the United
States will be hard pressed
00:23:08.07\00:23:14.00
to control the
proliferation of technologies
00:23:14.01\00:23:18.06
that will arise
in other nations.
00:23:18.07\00:23:19.76
So what did Jesus say,
"Wars and rumors of wars."
00:23:19.77\00:23:21.97
Yes, so. What we're seeing
00:23:21.98\00:23:23.19
is the proliferation of war
00:23:23.20\00:23:25.72
under the logic
of less big wars.
00:23:25.73\00:23:28.85
There's gonna be
lots of small war.
00:23:28.86\00:23:30.73
And perhaps no one will
yet dare to send the drones
00:23:30.74\00:23:34.91
from their country
over Washington DC.,
00:23:34.92\00:23:36.79
but you know that
Israel has already
00:23:36.80\00:23:40.10
got well advanced drones.
00:23:40.11\00:23:41.74
China and
Russia, France, Britain.
00:23:41.75\00:23:45.18
So you're going to see them
00:23:45.19\00:23:46.40
freelancing on other countries,
00:23:46.41\00:23:47.69
but what I think
we're witnessing is the,
00:23:47.70\00:23:49.99
and ironically the
Pope and his document,
00:23:50.00\00:23:52.80
Caritas and
Veritate's comments on this.
00:23:52.81\00:23:55.67
There is the breakdown
of national sovereignty
00:23:55.68\00:23:58.21
of sovereign territory.
00:23:58.22\00:24:00.19
At will country's
like the United States
00:24:00.20\00:24:02.71
are going and bombing and
killing and assassinating.
00:24:02.72\00:24:05.40
We talk about
terrorism, you know,
00:24:05.41\00:24:08.26
I love the United States,
but it's changing dynamic.
00:24:08.27\00:24:11.06
We need to recognize that
this is national terrorism
00:24:11.07\00:24:15.25
on other countries and it
breaks the old world order.
00:24:15.26\00:24:18.05
And there has to be a new
world order coming out of this,
00:24:18.06\00:24:20.82
because we've changed
the old ones radically.
00:24:20.83\00:24:23.17
Yeah, and when
Revelation speaks to ten horns
00:24:23.18\00:24:26.57
being ten kings, it's actually
talking about a global alliance,
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it's much larger
than the number 10.
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Yeah. It's just
only symbolic and so.
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Absolutely, yes those are, yeah,
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there symbolic showing
that there's a critical mass
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of the rulers of the
world that come together
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and give their
minds over to one purpose.
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Listen to actual
words of the text,
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"The ten horns
you saw are ten kings
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who have not yet
received a kingdom,
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but who for one hour
will receive authority
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as kings along with the beast,
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they have one purpose
and will give their power
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and authority to the
beast, lamb like beasts,
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being in the United States."
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They will make
war against the lamb
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but the lamb will overcome them
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because he has lord of lord
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and king of kings and with him
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will be is Called,
Chosen and Faithful followers.
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So in the end not that I
want to delve on persecution
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of God's people in the end.
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But clearly in the
end where the final target
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before the Lord comes.
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Yeah, and we need to be careful.
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A lot of what we're
doing is describing changes
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in the
geopolitical order. Correct.
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These are real changes. Right.
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They don't necessary--well
they have moral component.
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Because there's
international morality
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and morality of behaviors
between peoples of nations.
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But they don't automatically
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have a religious
liberty implication,
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it's just when
we trace it through,
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we see the degree of
control that represents.
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Yes. And in many ways
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a move toward
illiberalism, this is the irony.
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As I said earlier many
countries are rising up
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modeling the revolutionary
origins of the United States.
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Yes. And wanting
freedom self determination.
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Yes. But the net result is less
individual freedom of choice.
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In fact, there
is a model for that,
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it's called
democratic dictatorship
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and it's modeled
actually in China.
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Even though it's
communists there.
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You have a
system whereby they say
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that people as a whole dictate
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their will to all the people.
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And of course there's a
cultural willingness to give
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over to the
needs of the majority
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in the countries like China.
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It's possible that
we're heading down the road
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that is
unpredictable and even scary.
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But I really believe
that what we have here
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is a world order that
nobody ever conceived of,
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except for scriptures.
Scriptures foretold this event.
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And I think that is
something for us to consider.
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When we look at
this new world order,
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it is not a
friendly world order.
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So let's remember that.
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As I read the
Book of Revelation,
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it's impressed me several times
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that there are
phrases like these nations
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or the world
give themselves over
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or give their minds over
to a certain way of thinking.
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And really as I think about
what's happening in this world
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and all of the talked
of the new world order.
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Talked by the way
which is guaranteed
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to bring letters to the
editor of the Liberty Magazine
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if we ever put anything
about the new world order?
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But the new
world is reformulating
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itself before arise.
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And when I think about
that there is the temptation,
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for nation's to
bring a new way of thinking
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that maybe
contrary to God's way.
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The United States
maybe in seeming decline,
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but its
influence is on the rise.
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And there is a
correlation of the willing
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as George Bush said years ago.
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A correlation which is
giving their minds over
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to a new world
order way of thinking.
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Partly of necessity
and perhaps with agendas
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that we will see might
include a religious agenda,
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a world form of
worship to honor a deity
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that more and
more people realize
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we need on our
side if we're to solve
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the problems of the
future. The new world order.
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This is Lincoln
Steed for Liberty Insider.
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