Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Samuel Thomas
Series Code: LI
Program Code: LI000141
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00:22 Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
00:25 This is the program that brings you discussion 00:27 and up to date news, views and information 00:29 on religious liberty events and developments 00:32 around the world. 00:33 My name is Lincoln Steed, 00:35 Editor of Liberty Magazine and my guest 00:38 on the program is Samuel Thomas, 00:41 who's had a number of roles in the past 00:44 including pastoring a church 00:46 just near 3ABN, few years ago. 00:48 But currently you are working as a promoter 00:52 for, what of a better term, 00:54 for Message Magazine. Correct. And... 00:56 we had a program already where we discussed some 01:00 of the common issues that the message treats 01:03 that Liberty Magazine is always treating. 01:06 Let us talk about Religious Liberty, 01:08 big surprise on Liberty Insider, 01:12 but you're not just promoting the magazine 01:15 you're integrally involved with projecting 01:17 it's message. Correct. 01:18 And no pun again. 01:21 Religious liberty is something you can't 01:23 really ignore nowadays or religious freedom 01:25 issues in the war on terrorism. Right? 01:27 We've been faced in the United States, 01:30 but the whole world since 9/11, 01:32 with religious forces on the move. 01:36 Do you see, continuing evidence 01:38 in the United States, that the religious freedoms 01:41 are perhaps had become a 01:43 casualty of the war on terrorism? 01:46 I think people have accepted that freedom or 01:49 liberties as we have known them 01:51 are sacrificial, you know, for lack of a better term, 01:56 for what we need to experience 01:59 in the face of these threats. 02:01 Security, it hasn't made up the greater value. 02:05 And unfortunately I think that, 02:07 it's because it's a spontaneous response, 02:10 it's a natural human reaction. 02:14 A few responses as well. 02:15 It is, it is, because little has been done 02:19 to evaluate what we can actually live with, 02:23 why do we have to have these particular 02:25 intrusions into our person as well as a 02:31 diminished value of liberty 02:33 as we have know them historically. 02:34 Do you think that the underlining attitude 02:38 of what religious freedom itself has suffered some 02:42 damage? Oh, undoubtedly. 02:44 Undoubtedly, if we go to the first major 02:48 law enacted after 9/11, The Patriot Act, 02:51 all the way to where we are today. 02:54 We can see this constant erosion 02:57 and whether it's justified or not. 03:00 Okay, only time will tell, 03:02 but one thing is for sure, 03:04 people covet their way of life uninterrupted, 03:09 undisturbed and that is the greatest 03:11 significance to them. 03:13 Then theoretical. 03:15 Then theoretical. Freedom. 03:16 Exactly freedom of liberty. 03:18 And it really, it really smacks off an 03:23 indifference to what liberty really means. 03:25 Now you're getting closer to what I was 03:27 fishing for. Yeah. 03:28 I think peoples... 03:29 base comprehension of the issues of play has changed. 03:33 They don't, even at this late point I don't think 03:36 the average person see's great issues that play. 03:39 There are incrementalisms, 03:41 there's an immediate response, discovery, 03:44 immediate threat and this is the response. 03:46 They're not looking at the big picture and in 03:49 Liberty Magazine of course, 03:50 we're decrying the fact that a radical 03:54 intolerant form of Christianity is even 03:57 being empowered in the aftermath of 9/11. 04:01 Well, let me put a question to you. 04:03 In the scope of the work and in travels 04:06 and information that comes across your desk 04:09 and that you have to become imminently involved 04:11 with, have you ever seen a working definition 04:14 of a terrorist. No. 04:16 Thank you, you're asking the questions to me 04:19 and bringing out one of my, I think it's a very 04:23 loosey-goosey term and of course we probably 04:26 had to disavow some of our national 04:29 in the United States, some of our own national powers. 04:31 Because I can remember when good upstanding 04:36 many of them Roman Catholics in the United States 04:40 were happy to send their money to fund 04:41 the IRA in Ireland. Certainly. 04:46 That was a conflict that had religious overturns and then. 04:50 Government was fine with that. 04:52 In other cases, the US has directly funded 04:56 insurgencies in different countries 04:58 against those governments. Established governments. 05:01 Yes, but now we've pretty much embraced 05:04 the idea that any armed insurgency 05:07 that the government objects to it will call it terrorist. 05:10 Any freedom fighter. 05:12 This is how I've projected it in often 05:15 in sermons that we have a religious face to terrorism. 05:20 So what comes to mind is Islamic extremists 05:26 dressed in particular way, 05:27 brandishing some particular military 05:30 apparatus or something. 05:31 But at the end of the day that's 05:34 a religious face to terrorism. 05:37 We have not really step back and looked 05:41 at this critically and said, 05:43 what keeps it from being a different religion? 05:46 What we've really done is back off from 05:50 recognizing 9/11, it was one particular faith 05:55 that it informed the terrorist actions. 05:56 Obviously Islam, which is not beside that all 06:01 of the Islam would have done that, 06:02 but we've been careful I think from 06:05 our government on down to try to say that 06:08 we're not opposed to all Muslims in the Islamic world. 06:11 And so we moved fairly consistently 06:15 toward the present point. 06:16 Where now it's expressed if you think back on 06:19 what the government is saying 06:20 is we're condemning religious extremism. 06:23 And now there's my next question my following 06:25 question has to be, what is religious extremism? 06:28 Because unless you... That's the dangerous... Yeah. 06:30 Because unless you really know that 06:32 religion, unless you know the boundaries 06:34 of that religion who defines it as extremism? 06:37 Absolutely, and if you're a secular person 06:39 or a nominal Christian or even Islam. 06:43 It owns you as a society apart 06:47 from you just believe system. 06:48 But certainly a nominal Christians will find 06:51 regular church goers and people that order their 06:54 daily life after Biblical example 06:56 will that find that person extremist. 06:58 I can tell you even within the Seventh-day 07:00 Adventist Church, it's gotten to the point 07:02 if you go to a meal and you're careful not to 07:05 have any meat or you wouldn't drink alcohol 07:08 and so on you might be seen as a extremist Adventism. 07:11 Extremist Adventist. 07:13 So this is a very dangerous terminological 07:18 development in my view. 07:20 In the interim, we talk issue 07:23 with fundamentalist. 07:25 And Liberty Magazines even had articles on this. 07:28 These are Islamic fundamentalists, 07:31 Christian fundamentalists 07:33 are dangerous too. 07:34 And the term is being used to escape people 07:38 away from being as they should be, 07:39 fundamentally dedicated to Biblical Principles. 07:44 A Fundamentalist in it's best sense means that 07:47 I bought into these constructs of God's 07:51 word, I will order my life back at root, 07:55 fundamentally I'm committed to that. 07:57 And I appreciate you giving us a working 07:59 definition because that's in contrast 08:01 of fanaticism, you know which fanatical view. 08:04 And even fanaticism of course can be very 08:06 subjective, but it's probably a better away 08:10 of coming up, what's going on. 08:11 But I think the fundamentalist thing, 08:13 cast dispersions on any group that was seen as 08:16 sort of narrow minded and not flexible enough 08:19 to be in the real world. 08:20 And now extremist, that just means that yes, 08:23 all beliefs are acceptable. 08:25 Where we're pluralistic enough in the world, 08:27 we'll allow the existence of belief systems. 08:29 But if they act on it. 08:31 If they believe it, if it's a visceral commitment? 08:34 No that's extremism and we don't want to. 08:37 And I believe it's leading inexorably 08:40 toward a synchronistic religious 08:44 construct in the world. 08:46 Which is not illogical for globalist 08:49 pretensions because in the world community 08:52 there is more and more interconnected, 08:53 where religion has been spoiling dynamic then 08:58 often erupting into violence. 08:59 If we can tone it down to where they co-exist, 09:02 don't trouble each other, 09:03 then all will be fine... 09:05 So let's talk about, what is Syncretism? 09:07 Syncretism is mixing different belief systems 09:11 in a combination with either meet their 09:14 beliefs or take on attributes of others. 09:17 And there's not distinctive, 09:19 in the case of Christianity 09:20 you wouldn't have a distinctive 09:21 doctrinal postition. 09:23 You'll be loosey-goosey and accepting of other 09:26 faiths even in your own practice. 09:29 And when I reach into grand prophecy then 09:31 and that's sounds like Babylon to me. 09:32 Absolutely, because now 09:35 you're into fundamentalist speak here. Oh my! Oh my! 09:41 I mean, there are many in our own church 09:42 that would look sort of bridal, you know, Babylon. 09:45 And unfortunately, we've had the experience 09:46 of some extreme hysteresis types that would start 09:54 to call the Church itself Babylon. 09:56 Right, which we're not to do. 09:57 But Babylon historically and in the Bible analogy 10:01 was a, you know, that city that system 10:05 that built itself up in opposition to God 10:07 but it was characterized by confusion, 10:09 and that's what syncretism is. 10:11 Syncretism is basically confusion. 10:13 So where do we go with this understanding of 10:17 Well, I don't know where we, 10:18 we're in every regard how we deal with this 10:23 but I believe that it is the looming threat 10:25 and it's the way this war on terrorism is leading us. 10:29 It's redefining what it is to hold any faith 10:32 and how we socially and legally 10:35 allowed to act on them. 10:37 And it's an inhibition to real religious commitment. 10:42 So what does that mean? 10:44 Just unpack it a little bit more. 10:47 What I think it means is that, 10:48 what would be characterized from 10:50 the Bible as persecution is probably, 10:53 if not here already imminent. 10:55 Because of the intolerance. 10:58 The system that exists in the case of US, 11:03 it's a democratic people driven system. 11:08 It's not dictatorial in the sense if you got to seize it. 11:11 But even the system 11:12 in a country like the United States 11:13 is prepared and may already be actually 11:17 doing it, prepared to prosecute 11:19 those that act of their faith. 11:21 And I'm not saying in a violent way bringing 11:24 their buildings down. Sure, sure. 11:25 But in ways that are socially unacceptable 11:26 and the scene is inherently dangerous. 11:30 Are we really ready for that? 11:32 I don't think any of us are ready. 11:34 I'm just speaking for myself through 11:36 intellectually I can see it coming. 11:39 But how it will come when I'm restricted 11:43 as a Editor of Liberty Magazine, 11:45 it's not impossible. That's... 11:46 I'll be careful, I don't want to live under 11:49 a persecuting conflicts. 11:50 But I can see a dynamic where what we do could 11:53 come under some from either society or some entity. 11:59 Because more and more 12:00 we're at odds with where the society is going. 12:02 So how do we prepare, I mean, as Christians? 12:04 Well, as Christians our preparation has to be 12:07 spiritual, we need to, you know, 12:10 the Seventh-day Adventist Church, at the moment, 12:11 our new General Conference President, 12:13 has emphasized Revival and Reaffirmation. 12:17 We need that which is a prelude to then 12:19 intellectually coming to groups with 12:21 the challenge that maybe looming and decide 12:24 that we will be inflexible 12:26 in defending our faith in our God. 12:28 I'd made a commitment personally for 12:30 Revival and Reaffirmation, I think it is important 12:32 for all of us to do that. Wonderful. 12:35 I'm sure all of you watching this program 12:39 will know that we're in serious times and that 12:41 we need to decide what it is that we believe 12:44 in and to be able to act on it. 12:46 Stay with us, we'll be back after the break 12:48 to discuss this more fully. Thank you. 13:01 One-hundred years, a long time to do anything 13:05 much less publish a magazine, but this year Liberty, 13:09 the Seventh-day Adventist voice of religious freedom, 13:11 celebrates one hundred years of doing what it does best, 13:15 collecting, analyzing, and reporting the ebb 13:18 and flow of religious expression around the world. 13:21 Issue after issue, 13:23 Liberty has taken on the tough assignments, 13:25 tracking down threats to religious freedom 13:28 and exposing the work of the devil 13:29 in every corner of the globe. 13:31 Governmental interference, personal attacks, 13:34 corporate assaults, even religious freedom issues 13:37 sequestered within the church community itself 13:39 have been clearly and honestly exposed. 13:42 Liberty exists for one purpose 13:44 to help God's people maintain 13:46 that all important separation of Church and State, 13:49 while recognizing the dangers inherent in such a struggle. 13:53 During the past century, Liberty has experienced 13:56 challenges of its own, but it remains on the job. 13:59 Thanks to the inspired leadership of a long line of 14:05 almost half of the publications 14:07 existence and the foresight 14:09 of a little woman from New England. 14:11 One hundred years of struggle, 14:13 one hundred years of victories, 14:15 religious freedom isn't just about 14:17 political machines and cultural prejudices. 14:20 It's about people fighting 14:22 for the right to serve the God 14:24 they love as their hearts and the Holy Spirit dictate. 14:28 Thanks to the prayers and generous support 14:30 of Seventh-day Adventists everywhere. 14:33 Liberty will continue to accomplish 14:35 its work of providing 14:36 timely information, spirit filled inspiration, 14:38 and heaven sent encouragement 14:40 to all who long to live and work 14:43 in a world bound together by the God ordained 14:46 bonds of religious freedom. 14:59 Welcome back to Liberty Insider, 15:01 thank you for returning and I'm sure before 15:04 the break like I see you're drawn into the topics 15:07 and we were talking about religious Liberty 15:11 changes and the war on terrorism that had 15:12 diminished if not the legal right of religious 15:16 expression that some of the 15:18 social allowances that we've gotten in. 15:20 I think we're heading inexorably to a point 15:22 of conflict where anybody with a deeply held faith 15:25 that must share and express yourself 15:27 publicly is going to be inhibited 15:29 in somewhere another. 15:31 And you brought up I think the fact that our 15:35 Seventh-day Adventist Church is calling 15:36 for Revival and Reaffirmation. 15:38 I think this is a necessary preparation 15:40 for this oncoming dynamic, isn't that? 15:43 Well, spiritually if we're not prepared for 15:45 what's coming and that's not our attempting to 15:48 anticipate it, but just spiritually on guard, 15:51 alert and improved, in our walk with God. 15:55 And it's troublesome, because already 15:57 I was just reading as recently as a week ago. 16:01 We're hungry as already started proposing a law 16:05 or has proposed a law to limit its classification 16:09 and of religions and that's potentially 16:12 a reclassification of existing religions 16:15 depending upon size and the duration 16:17 of existence in their country. 16:20 Well, that's troublesome, that's troublesome. 16:22 Yeah, we've had whole programs on Liberty Insider 16:27 on this and it fits within 16:29 and are reinstated by Global vision. 16:31 I see, as I've absorbed these events for a long time 16:36 now in my present job 16:37 but even before that I was looking at it. 16:39 You know we in modern history we've gone 16:42 through the colonial period, the nation, 16:45 states and so on. 16:46 The Nationalist aspiration 16:47 really ruled a lot of history. 16:50 But I think we're now in a post nationalist 16:53 phase, we're in the postism stage. 16:55 Capitalism is discredited much 16:58 as those of United States might wish otherwise 17:00 is discredited around the world. 17:01 Communism is largely discredited, 17:03 materialism is burning itself out because 17:08 people since 2008 don't have access to it. 17:12 What I'm saying, the rise of people groupings 17:17 often ethnic but usually with the religious marker. 17:22 These are religious groupings. 17:25 And in Europe, which everybody said was 17:28 a secular collection of secular states, 17:32 and certainly secular mindsets, 17:34 but we're finding out that they define 17:38 themselves more and more by a religious identity. 17:40 And the majority religious group are in 17:43 the process of empowering that group 17:46 and are they registering or dis-empowering 17:49 any other competing religious factions. 17:51 And that's what this thing in Hungary is, 17:53 we're seeing in the Soviet Union or in 17:55 Russia, which used to be the focal point 17:59 of thepower of the Soviet Union, 18:00 Russia under the influence 18:02 of the Eastern-Orthodox, Church. 18:04 They've come into power and they defined being 18:06 a Russian is being a Eastern-Orthodox follower. 18:09 And all other religions are monitored, 18:11 controlled or regulated out of existence. What? 18:17 This is happening in United States. 18:19 I alluded it a little earlier I think. 18:20 Where these Christian nation concept, 18:23 you know, Christian America. 18:25 This is basically a way to draw 18:27 the barricades around us. 18:29 We're Christians and outside 18:31 is the threatening other world 18:33 and the other religions and so on. 18:35 Is this intentional? 18:36 Do you think it's intentional? 18:37 Yes, I think a lot of it's intentional. 18:39 Some of it's just being 18:40 accelerated by current events. 18:43 But people, groupings, nations, 18:45 if you want to use that term. 18:46 They need to define themselves and the old 18:51 ways aren't working any more. 18:53 And United States is a classic case. 18:55 But Europe is facing it where are these, 18:56 there is so many groups and population centers. 19:04 Where, you know, people are coming from so many 19:05 countries with so many different cultural 19:08 and social and ethnic ideas. 19:09 What's the common denominator? Religion. 19:12 Religion more and more. 19:16 Goodness knows you can't even 19:17 have a cultural in the United States. 19:19 Because someone in Oklahoma and someone 19:20 in New York city, they... Sure. 19:22 Believe me they're more different than I'm as an 19:25 Australian coming from Australia. 19:28 But with an existential religious threat 19:30 from outside it suddenly 19:32 forces us to define ourselves. 19:34 And if you're one of that majority religion, 19:36 there is not restriction on your religious practice. 19:40 It's an empowerment but when you're talking 19:42 about religious prosecution it's almost 19:44 instantaneous, if you're one of the groupings 19:47 outside, you're marginalized 19:48 and perhaps been persecuted. 19:50 You know if for some reason 19:51 what you're saying resonates with the book I read, 19:54 it's been a while, Dr. Francis Schaeffer's book 19:57 Yes. How should... 19:58 I already read that many years ago. Yeah, I read it... 20:00 It formed a lot of my thinking. 20:02 Well, it's interesting that he forms 20:05 the premise that of course Christians, 20:08 when they were killed in the Roman Empire. 20:10 We are not done, they're not done in, 20:12 they weren't martyred because of their 20:15 commitment to a different God. 20:17 But because they would not 20:19 give obeisance to Caesar. Right. 20:21 And so do you see the state ultimately rising 20:25 up as the highest order of loyalty in America. 20:31 Yes, but in the way that he was saying. 20:35 I'll mention an episode that I saw in TV 20:38 that I think speaks to this. 20:40 Jerry Falwell before he died. 20:43 He was on TV once with Al Sharpton, 20:45 and there was something else, 20:47 I'm gonna forget the other guest. 20:48 They were discussing abortion and more 20:52 fundamentalist right wing leaders 20:55 and you know that was litmus test 20:57 of how they related to the society. 20:59 Al Sharpton though on that occasion defend, 21:02 he thought abortion wasn't the only issue 21:05 and he tried to interject concern 21:08 for civil rights and in that city 21:12 and you know that whole thing. 21:13 And Jerry Falwell took exception 21:14 and he turned to him. 21:15 And I memorized exactly what he said. 21:17 He said that, if you believe that, he said, 21:19 you're not a Christian, you're not an American, 21:24 you are a terrorist. 21:29 That's compelling. I mean it's... 21:31 Because it's the quick deduction, so if... 21:34 going back to another example that if more 21:39 and more America defines itself as sort of this 21:41 Christian nation concept. 21:43 That we are, you know, that the holy crusaders and... 21:47 You know the manifest destiny and all of this 21:50 is wrapped up in a, you go against that, 21:53 it's not so much you're against the state 21:55 but you're against its divine charter. 22:00 You're the spiritual other. 22:04 So is that while we see the pardon parcel 22:08 of this movement for America to have this 22:13 dominant unity with its Christian roots. 22:17 There's this constant referral back to some 22:21 of the founding fathers, 22:22 who by the way were not even Christians. 22:23 I don't know what people. 22:24 Well, not in the traditional sense. Orthodox sense. 22:28 No, you know they're deists. They're deists. 22:30 And I often said on this program deism in my view 22:33 was an acceptable way at that time to be a unbeliever. 22:36 Exactly, because a deist accepted 22:38 that their was some prime cause. 22:40 Some creator who then sort of disappeared, 22:43 left it all I'm saying, unwilling. 22:45 In some ways that's thoroughly 22:48 compatible with evolution. 22:49 And it really came out of age of reason. 22:51 But I think that where I want to go with this is, 22:56 how do we respond to this overwhelming momentum? 22:59 Because it's moving. 23:01 Well, it's on a personal level and I think there 23:05 has to be spiritual preparation, 23:06 or else you know why is there an informed person 23:11 of a religious propensity any better 23:13 than a secularist if they're just trying to 23:14 just order the world to their satisfaction. 23:16 But really it's about spirituality and you 23:19 and I have to deal with that personally. 23:21 But I can call people to spiritual preparation, 23:25 beyond that what I more and more trying 23:28 to encourage our Liberty relatives 23:29 in the promotion for next year 23:32 to Seventh-day Adventist. 23:33 I want to really emphasize. 23:34 Yes, these things are happening and easy 23:37 to document a great procession of things 23:39 in the United States and the world. 23:42 That signal a tightening of religious expression. 23:48 But in a wonderful way what that means is here 23:52 is the opportunity of a lifetime of the century 23:56 if you like, to proclaim freedom as citizen in 23:59 Christ, to proclaim the inherent dignity of man 24:03 and the rights to order your spiritual identity. 24:07 Since these questions are now so in your face, 24:10 may be with the negative connotation. 24:13 But this is the moment to speak 24:14 about it naturally, other times 24:15 they wouldn't have listened to us. 24:17 And with Liberty Magazine was sending 24:19 the magazine out to, you know, 24:21 presidents and congressmen and senators 24:24 and so on, you know, all the way down, 24:25 all these thought leaders. 24:27 They're going to read perhaps as never before 24:30 some of our answers to these challenges. 24:33 This is a moment of opportunity. 24:36 How do we get people to support? 24:37 I mean do we just subscribe to it or do we sponsor? 24:41 I mean, what do we need to do, to get the part of it? 24:43 Well, we need to target audience 24:44 with Liberty Magazine, thank you for leading me, 24:47 I don't know if I introduced you as 24:48 the promoter for Message Magazine 24:51 but you know promotion. Thank you. 24:53 With Liberty Magazine somebody has to pay to 24:56 send the magazine to just target individual, 24:58 a government functionary or lawyer or judge or 25:03 something like that. 25:05 We can't expect them to volunteer the money, 25:07 but we give appeals to our Church members 25:10 in the magazine itself. 25:11 We're appealing for people to send the money 25:13 either to subscribe themselves or to send it 25:15 to someone else. 25:16 So it's as much as sponsorship 25:18 as a direct subscription. 25:19 But yes, those that have 25:21 a burden they get the word out. 25:22 This is again their opportunity for, 25:24 what $6 a year to get a magazine in front 25:27 of a thought leader. 25:28 So it's a wonderful dynamic and as never 25:31 before I think the prime 25:33 recipients are ready to read this. 25:35 They may not agree with any, everything, 25:36 that's up to the dynamic of their mind and our 25:39 presentations and so on. 25:40 But we at least put it in front of them 25:42 as discussion matter they can be engaged on and 25:46 make up their mind based on their conscious and 25:49 the evidence that we put there. 25:51 But certainly we don't raise the discussion, 25:52 people don't have the opportunity to learn. 25:54 But these are more theoretical prophetic 25:56 type things from years ago. 25:58 But now it's an in your face issue. Yes, it is. 26:00 And you don't need to reach 26:02 into Revelation to bring up the point. 26:04 You reach it in the last Supreme Court decision. 26:07 They see these things. 26:08 Well that's why I became supporter, 26:10 you know I don't know if I can reject that your. 26:12 You brought it up for now I'll confirm it, yes. 26:15 You and many, many others are financial 26:19 supporters of what we're doing with Liberty Magazine. 26:21 We thank you, we thank those of our viewers 26:24 who've been moved to support financially as 26:27 well as with their prayers with 26:28 what Liberty Magazine is doing. 26:29 And it is important for us to support the cause, 26:32 because by supporting the cause we're actually 26:34 purposely turning our minds toward 26:36 what Liberty stands for 26:38 and what this magazine does by going out. 26:40 Partners' partnership and building that 26:44 relationship is what it's all about, 26:46 so that the word can forward 26:47 and the message can get out. 26:51 You know, it's pretty easy when you're talking 26:52 about religious freedom today to cast horrible 26:57 threatening poll over many of the developments. 27:02 We can never take Religious Liberty for granted. 27:05 But we must always keep in mind 27:07 that when you're talking about religious liberty, 27:09 it's not a legal construct. 27:11 It's not a necessity of winning an argument 27:14 passing a law to support your faith. 27:16 Religious freedom ultimately 27:18 is the opportunity to present a reason for our faith. 27:24 In the New Testament, in the book of Acts, 27:25 Peter and John were brought before 27:28 the authorities for their faith threatened, 27:30 told that they would be imprisoned 27:31 or worse if they're persistent. 27:34 And they went back to the believers. 27:36 They told them what had happened, 27:37 they prayed to God. 27:39 And in the prayer to God they said, 27:40 look upon their threats 27:43 and they didn't say protect us. 27:46 They said grant to your servants all power 27:50 to witness, to heal 27:52 and to speak powerfully in your name. 27:55 And the record says that when they finished 27:57 praying, the room was shaken and they went out 27:59 and did those things. 28:00 So to you today, all these threats 28:02 to religious Liberty mean that the opportunities 28:05 have never been better. 28:08 For Liberty Insider, this is Lincoln Steed. |
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