Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Samuel Thomas
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Program Code: LI000140
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00:22 Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
00:24 This is the program that brings you discussion 00:27 and news and inside information 00:30 on religious liberty developments 00:32 in the United States and around the world. 00:34 My name is Lincoln Steed, Editor of Liberty Magazine 00:37 and my guest on the program is Elder Samuel Thomas. 00:43 Welcome back, this is not 00:45 the first program, we've done, but it maybe 00:46 the first to some of our viewers have seen, 00:48 and so by way of introduction, 00:49 I'll say you've 3ABN connection. 00:53 You used to be pastor of the church, 00:54 in the town here in Thompsonville, 00:57 but beyond that, you are currently promoting 01:01 or the lead promoter for Message Magazine. 01:05 That's correct, Director of Marketing. 01:06 And I've an affinity with all magazines, 01:08 because I've edited not just Liberty, but few others. 01:12 I worked with many magazines and books over the years. 01:14 And so, you know, I want to promote the message, 01:18 no problem of all publications 01:22 that are getting out a freedom message. 01:24 And Message Magazine is promoting 01:27 the message of faith in Jesus Christ, right. 01:32 To a predominantly, but not exclusively 01:36 black population. That's correct. 01:39 But, why I like it for this program 01:41 is that I know this from time to time, 01:43 in fact more and more as time goes by 01:45 you are featuring on church state issues 01:46 and matters of governance 01:49 and how we relate to the state and society. 01:51 It's necessary we live in worst times. 01:53 Can't avoid it. That's correct. 01:54 And so, I don't see any magazine is 01:57 moving in on Liberty magazine, 01:59 what I see is Liberty's focal concerned 02:01 is more and more picked up by publications all over, 02:04 not just church publications, you know, 02:06 whether it's Harper's Magazine 02:09 or daily newspaper, I see more and more 02:13 that they have to deal with these issues. 02:15 You know, what I want to discuss with you 02:18 in a previous program you'd mentioned 02:20 the black community having, 02:23 perhaps a different attitude of tolerance toward 02:27 practicing gays even in church life 02:29 than some in the other Christian communities. 02:34 This is a thorny issue, the emerging gay rights 02:39 model and how the Christians, 02:41 how the biblically oriented Christians relate to this? 02:44 Well, I think it's difficult for us 02:46 and we're challenged by balancing the love of Christ 02:52 while confronting what the Bible clearly defines a sin. 02:57 What our challenges are probably, 03:01 where our challenges are brought to a crossroad 03:04 is when we trying to put into practice 03:07 lifestyle change, encouraging 03:09 people to move in a different direction 03:12 while at the same time embracing them. 03:14 So because the black community has 03:16 in its roots the understanding of impression 03:20 and separation and all of that, 03:23 then there is this natural outgrowth of tolerance. 03:26 But unfortunately what some people have done 03:30 is they have taken that and then they have 03:32 put a totally different spin on it. 03:34 So that we now have this great surge of concern 03:38 for gay rights to the point of marriage 03:42 which was never a part of Gods design. 03:46 Absolutely, there's now way to get a Biblical 03:50 or from the Bible to get a pro-gay viewpoint. 03:54 The best that I've seen, Christian gay activists 03:59 can manufacture sort of drawing on coast 04:02 for charity and compassion. Right. 04:05 To sort of enable their agenda, 04:07 but there is no pro-gay behavior mandate 04:11 from the Bible whatsoever. Right. 04:12 But this gay movement and how Christians relate to 04:17 it can have some really radical spin-offs. 04:19 You know, Supreme Court just recently 04:21 brought then a decision in the case of 04:24 Westboro Baptist Church based in Topeka, Kansas, I think, 04:27 but they were traveling around to as many as, 04:30 I think 600 sites around the United States 04:34 after that military funerals stridently haranguing 04:40 the families of slain soldiers with Anti-Gay Diatribes 04:43 and so on it was a relevant what the 04:46 orientation of the soldier was, 04:47 they just hated what was going on in the military. 04:49 And using as an excuse to condemn in lurid language 04:54 gay behavior to condemn the United States to, 04:57 you know, damnation or destruction 04:59 for embracing such behavior. 05:02 And all in the name of Christianity, 05:03 all in the name of faith. 05:05 But how do we address that, since we are nation 05:09 that tolerate opposing views, I mean... 05:10 Well, the Supreme Court brought down the decision 05:14 that even objection of those speech is protected 05:18 and they have upheld on a free speech point of view. 05:21 And that's fine constitutionally, 05:23 societally, I think its going to have great load back, 05:25 because many people find that thoroughly objectionable, 05:29 they find it hateful, they find it, 05:32 you know, an abusive faith projection 05:35 and many Christians distance themselves from that. 05:38 And I think it's going to set the United States up 05:41 for some later point, actually restricting 05:44 such speech which will be very bad. 05:46 Well, don't we have to surrender to the reality 05:50 that people will have opposing views 05:52 and at the same time suggest that there is a way to voice 05:57 an opposing view and I think that's where 05:59 people are conflicted, or, you know, 06:02 here they have a right to say. 06:04 This is where we see our nation going wrong, 06:07 but at the same time it is in such, 06:11 as you stated such a lurid level, 06:14 it's beyond what's considered in good sense or good taste. 06:19 Well, I don't know that it's really been settled. 06:23 We can appeal to the Bible, 06:25 I'm trying to figure the text that flooded 06:26 through my mind where we esteemed the other-- 06:30 Or highly than ourselves, yes. 06:33 So we respect them as a fellow creature 06:36 and God loves them and so, of course, but, you know, 06:39 what about the Jeremiah's and the others who stood 06:42 at the public place and railed against 06:44 the corruption in the state and in society. 06:49 John the Baptist, who Jesus said, you know, 06:51 there was no greater among men 06:53 and but this was not homosexuality, 06:56 but he condemned the public immorality of Herod. 06:59 Certainly! For which he lost his head. 07:02 Yeah, absolutely, so I'm inclined to think 07:05 that someone of faith on occasions has to 07:10 speak out in unpalatable way to society 07:14 but they should take the consequence. 07:15 I don't think its reasonable to expect, 07:18 if you have a moral viewpoint that civil 07:21 society is going to empower that, 07:24 because it's terms of reference are different, 07:26 that there is gonna be times when society 07:28 cannot, will not give you a pass on what you 07:33 by conscience compel to say and you say it 07:37 and you take the consequence. 07:39 But doesn't it go back to the whole issue of 07:42 where we see our beginning. 07:45 If we describe our beginning to God 07:48 versus evolution, then we, 07:50 how we look at life, it's totally different. 07:54 But you are bringing in some thing that 07:55 we didn't even discuss, but I just...what are your 07:57 thoughts in Christian institutions 08:02 across the United States, more and more 08:06 we're finding that biblically based 08:08 viewpoints on origins and not routinely enforced 08:14 or repeated and secular ideas 08:18 on evolution and so on are slipping in. 08:21 How can a church maintain integrity of message 08:25 even within its own circles? 08:27 All right, I think that there are some 08:29 elements of or aspects, I had to say, 08:32 elements with some certain aspects of 08:35 theology and doctrine that are not debatable. 08:38 Unfortunately, because we live in an age 08:43 where we think that everything is open 08:44 for discussion, whether we do it 08:46 under the clause of academic freedom, 08:48 otherwise we open the door to this novel idea. 08:54 Then we can somehow through open dialog 08:57 come to some common, come some common ground. 09:01 But that erodes the very, the very 09:05 bedrock of scripture, it's authoritative. 09:08 You gave a good answer, because this is what 09:10 I was hinting at broadly, but maybe not getting it 09:13 what I was trying to get across when I was saying, 09:15 you take the penalty in society at large, 09:19 even in like the United States, 09:21 where we have liberal democracy 09:23 and there is freedom of speech. 09:25 All things are not permissible. 09:27 There are restrictions, there are necessary 09:30 boundaries drawn in a church 09:32 or a civic organization, there are rules of behavior, 09:37 there are foundational principles 09:40 that you would hear to, 09:41 if you depart from that, there is a penalty. 09:43 It could be expulsion from the organization 09:46 and so a church is not, every just because 09:50 the church believes in free choice 09:51 and we're all equal under God. 09:53 It doesn't mean, you can do and say anything, 09:56 even those things that are opposed 09:57 to the principles of the church. 09:59 One of the things that we find in this debate 10:01 is the challenge of Revelation and Inspiration, 10:05 that's one of the key pieces. 10:07 If I don't believe that scriptures 10:09 God's reveal will through man. 10:11 If I don't believe that they are divinely inspired. 10:15 If I don't believe in certain 10:17 core values of God in His sovereignty. 10:21 Then a lot of the rest of this whole dynamic, 10:24 this energy that surrounds the debate, 10:27 really, it gets muddled. 10:30 And so you have Christians saying, 10:31 where they believe in aspects of their sin, 10:34 but they don't believe that and so we're not here 10:37 as scientists trying to, you know, partially, 10:40 you know, what might have occurred in certain 10:44 protract the processes, you know, 10:45 through the course of time. 10:47 But from a theological standpoint, we can't say, 10:50 either we believe the word of God or we don't. 10:53 And when it comes to that then we really need to find 10:57 a little bit less negotiable position 11:02 concerning that, I mean, we wouldn't have 11:04 the reaffirmation truthfully Lincoln. 11:06 If we had not had men who said, I stand on the Bible. 11:10 Now did they do everything that the Bible said, 11:13 I mean, where there are some things 11:14 in the Bible that they hadn't yet 11:15 grasped or accepted certainly. 11:17 But at the cornerstone the bedrock 11:21 of their movement was the Bible. 11:24 Conscience inform by the Bible. 11:26 Correct, correct. 11:28 And not illusive, I think 11:29 you are directly alluding to. Certainly. 11:32 Early on he thought that he could 11:33 inform his church, you know, it would correct itself, 11:35 but he clearly recognized. 11:39 I think by the times of the Diet of Worms, 11:41 he clearly recognized that he was gonna 11:43 have to go his own way 11:44 that the church was not gonna accept it. 11:47 And that he would have to leave, 11:50 reformation is one thing with because, you know, 11:53 reformation implies that they 11:54 were reforming the Christian Church. 11:56 But they could not reform 11:57 the Catholic Church adequately, 11:59 so they left and form their own group. 12:01 The Catholic Church had a counter reformation 12:03 where it cleaned the shop. 12:07 But I, this issue of freedom and how we relate 12:10 not just to the state but to the church, 12:12 is one that I think is hardly ever investigated 12:14 and we need to recognize that yes, 12:16 we're not to compel other people as the 12:19 Medieval Church did within, sure, you know, 12:22 not just enforce compliance, 12:24 it would punish non-compliance. 12:26 That's not biblical, but the idea 12:28 that within the belief system, 12:30 within a given church, people can indulge 12:33 views that are directly contrary 12:34 to the foundational principles 12:35 and still call themselves a member 12:37 of that church is nonsense, high standing nonsense. 12:42 Let's pursue this discussion that 12:43 I'm really enjoying after the break. 12:45 Please stay with us, we will be back shortly. 12:57 One-hundred years, a long time to do 13:00 anything much less publish a magazine, 13:03 but this year Liberty, the Seventh-day Adventist 13:06 voice of religious freedom, 13:08 celebrates one hundred years 13:09 of doing what it does best, collecting, analyzing, 13:13 and reporting the ebb and flow 13:15 of religious expression around the world. 13:17 Issue after issue, Liberty has taken on the 13:20 tough assignments, tracking down threats 13:23 to religious freedom and exposing 13:24 the work of the devil in every corner of the globe. 13:27 Governmental interference, 13:29 personal attacks, corporate assaults, 13:31 even religious freedom issues sequestered 13:33 within the Church community itself 13:35 have been clearly and honestly exposed. 13:38 Liberty exists for one purpose 13:40 to help God's people maintain that 13:43 all important separation of Church and State, 13:46 while recognizing the dangers inherent in such a struggle. 13:49 During the past century, Liberty has experienced 13:52 challenges of its own, but it remains on the job. 13:56 Thanks to the inspired leadership 13:57 of a long line of dedicated Adventist Editors, 14:00 three of whom represent almost half of the 14:02 publications existence and the foresight 14:04 of a little woman from New England. 14:07 One hundred years of struggle, 14:09 one hundred years of victories, 14:11 religious freedom isn't just about 14:13 political machines and cultural prejudices. 14:16 It's about people fighting for the right to serve 14:19 the God they love as their hearts 14:22 and the Holy Spirit dictate. 14:24 Thanks to the prayers and generous support of 14:26 Seventh-day Adventists everywhere. 14:28 Liberty will continue to accomplish its work 14:31 of providing timely information, 14:33 spirit filled inspiration, 14:34 and heaven sent encouragement 14:36 to all who long to live and work 14:39 in a world bound together by the God 14:42 ordained bonds of religious freedom. 14:55 Welcome back to the Liberty Insider. 14:57 My name is Lincoln Steed, 14:59 Editor of the Liberty Magazine 15:00 and my guest is Sam Thomas. 15:03 Now we were tackling some heavy stuff 15:05 before the break, talking about 15:08 attitudes toward gay behavior or gay, 15:12 well, it wasn't just gay behavior, 15:13 we're talking about gay's behavior and 15:19 the stance that they take on their lifestyle. 15:22 In the black community, then we got on to 15:24 how this relates to freedom of choice 15:27 and freedom of dissention within a church community. 15:32 Now, in the break, you and I were talking 15:35 little further and I should point out, 15:37 because I've had lot of discussion about 15:38 this gay marriage thing, ever since Liberty Magazine, 15:41 came out with an entire issue on it 15:43 and this is one of the reasons 15:45 I was happy to have you on the program, 15:46 because the article in that issue 15:48 that I thought had the most traction 15:50 in discussing the whole gay rights 15:52 and gay marriage issue 15:54 was to question a basic assumption 15:57 that's now unquestioned to compare gay rights 16:01 to civil rights, or to, you know, 16:04 the civil rights movement rather. 16:06 And I think that's syllogism. 16:08 I think they are not the same. 16:10 Well, they are not the same, 16:12 but I think the other piece that we need to clarify 16:14 because we have batted this about 16:18 for few minutes now and that is the 16:20 proclivity versus practicing. Absolutely. 16:22 You know, there is a distinction and so when 16:24 we're talking about gays in its true form 16:28 are premises really practicing. 16:30 They are those who have a proclivity, 16:32 but they are not practicing and that, 16:34 of course, there is no condemnation in scripture. 16:37 This is my point, you know, 16:39 we're talking about gay behavior which the Bible 16:41 clearly condemns unequivocally. 16:44 In the Old and the New Testament. 16:47 And those that the Christian community 16:49 that argue for the acceptance 16:51 of gay behavior, try to find traction 16:54 in calls for charity and understanding. 16:58 Well that's fine, but they can't do away 17:00 with these direct statements condemning 17:02 homosexual behavior and in the 17:04 Old and the New Testaments, 17:05 they were given at the time 17:06 when it was socially acceptable. 17:09 You know, those were inclined to interpret 17:11 the Bible in a historical context 17:15 or a cultural context which is true to the point, 17:19 but can be misused. 17:21 Their point is wrong, because you can't say 17:24 well, Paul, who condemned homosexuality because 17:28 that was just the attitude of his day, 17:29 no the attitude of his day 17:30 was to accept it, not to reject it. 17:33 So we had to have a higher moral viewpoint. 17:36 But he was talking about the behavior 17:38 which God's call holds us very culpable 17:40 for what we do, what we act up on. 17:42 But we're all damaged human beings. 17:45 And sin gives the bias, or Adam's first sin 17:49 in our inherited behaviors, I mean, you know, 17:52 through our ancestors and our own practice, 17:55 our own upbringing gives us an easy bias 17:58 to do the wrong things and mind gives rise to that. 18:01 But we're not condemned until 18:03 we indulge the certain act on it. 18:05 And so it to me from a church perspective, 18:09 proclivity or a bias toward certainly moral behavior, 18:15 that's between that person and God. 18:17 When they act on it, we can speak against that, 18:20 we can say that's wrong, 18:21 that's not following God's men. 18:24 As we can against a thief, or murderer, 18:27 absolutely, or an adulterer. 18:29 Remember Paul says, 18:30 enumerating all of these things, 18:32 he says some of these you once were. 18:33 That's correct. Once, yes, 18:35 a Christian is called to change, 18:37 but a Christian is not called to condemn 18:41 the world for all of its behaviors, 18:42 those are all automatically 18:43 it depends on the works of darkness. 18:45 But a Christian is called to be charitable to the 18:48 non-believer and to encourage them to come to the light. 18:51 So, you know, I think as far as Christians 18:53 relating to the whole gay movement, 18:54 we can't condemn them whatsoever. 18:58 They haven't made the profession of Christ, 19:02 then they have many things in their life that 19:04 need to be illuminated by the light of God's leading. 19:07 But within the Christian community, 19:10 I think we're on dangerous ground 19:11 if we think that we can enable behavior 19:14 that is condemned by the Bible. 19:16 So we need to see again back to this point, 19:19 wee try to bring it, practice and proclivity. 19:23 Proclivity, we can't condemn people, right, 19:26 within or without the church. 19:27 But the church should not embrace worldly 19:29 practices of any type in this whole gay, 19:32 open gay movement is embracing 19:34 the worst of the world's behavior. 19:35 One of the thing that I want to interject here 19:37 is that Paul directly communicates to Timothy 19:42 that he said, I want you to know 19:44 how to behave yourself in the church, 19:47 which is the pillar and ground of truth. 19:49 Well, when we're not assure and when we don't have 19:53 those established absolutes like truth. 19:56 Then we have the challenge of what do we believe, 19:59 well this is acceptable or well that's not acceptable. 20:02 But there are some very fixed 20:04 boundaries in the word of God. 20:05 And I keep going back to creation 20:08 and I'm hammering that premise, 20:10 because if you have that clear 20:12 of heterosexual created beings 20:16 or created beings who are heterosexual, 20:18 then you have a premise on God's approach to humanity. 20:23 You start there and how were they to, 20:26 how are they to fill the earth through 20:29 sexual interaction and of course, 20:31 they can procreate, which does not occur 20:34 within a homosexual relationship 20:37 or practicing, we use that term. 20:38 Well, that's a logical argument, 20:40 but it's not really a theological argument to see. 20:42 And we're in a brave new world of 20:46 test tube babies and artificial insemination. 20:50 So I think, there's an analogy there 20:54 that underscores the truth, but from the beginning, 20:57 God has and I'm inclined to think its really 21:00 ferments or aren't good, it's not necessarily 21:02 that there is a higher morality per say, 21:05 but God created us, He knows what is good for us 21:09 and premarital sex for example 21:11 and things like that destroy the human capacity 21:17 to relate correctly, it bring in jealous, 21:19 even this just many levels of disruption. 21:21 So God for our protection has 21:24 mandated the marriage arrangement. 21:27 He has condemned aberrations like homosexuality 21:31 that destroy the whole thing, 21:33 that's that I think we've got to look at 21:36 it from that perspective that He had, 21:37 God has laid this down just like 21:40 clean and unclean meats. Certainly. 21:41 You know, the world has gotten very 21:43 dismissive of that, but it sort of obvious, 21:45 if you look at that the unclean meats 21:48 most times are scavengers and dangerous creatures. 21:53 Well, it's given down as a religious prescription, 21:55 but God put it for our protection. 21:57 And the Bible says that over and over, 21:58 I've said before you life and death. 22:00 And here, you know, choose this, 22:01 do the right thing and you will live. 22:04 And you will lay non of the diseases upon you 22:08 and it's amazing, I'm gonna say something that people 22:11 are being condemn for before. 22:12 But I don't think from a Christian morality 22:16 point of view, you can separate the whole 22:19 AIDS scourge from the gay movement. 22:24 It's not a punishment of God, that's wrong, 22:27 you know, the idea of God has inflicted this, 22:30 but I think it underscores 22:31 that God's prescriptions have a cause and effect. 22:34 You disobey God and in this case 22:37 the whole gay community and it was not 22:39 hundred percent confined to them, 22:41 but they were exposed to a cause and effect penalty. 22:45 The natural world turned on them 22:48 and we need to recognize that 22:52 and while we look to salvation beyond, 22:55 a lot of the benefits of becoming a Christian 22:58 or follower of God and obeying the divine precepts. 23:01 A lot of the benefits are here in now. 23:04 In peace of mind, in of health, 23:07 in a more secure social environment. 23:10 Well, the benefits of serving God always out way the cost. 23:14 I mean there is a real negative 23:16 and in religious liberty we talk about it. 23:18 It also God says, "All who live a godly life 23:20 will suffer persecution". 23:22 All, because you are in conflict with the 23:25 contrary viewpoint, the world for one of our 23:28 better term that not that it doesn't accept God, 23:30 but rejected the demon and as antagonist toward him 23:34 and inspired by Satan that world will clash 23:37 with the Christian viewpoint. 23:38 And is supposed to. Absolutely. 23:39 It clashed with Christ and so Christ was not 23:42 in the business of making the world 23:44 a better place to live and stay. 23:46 He was making it a tolerable place 23:49 in the areas where He was teaching principles 23:51 on how we interact with each other, 23:53 but it was always about serving Him to live here. 23:55 Right, but there servant on the mountain points out, 23:57 that there's an immediate benefits 23:59 to become a part of God's kingdom. 24:01 Benefits that will be fulfilled, 24:03 absolutely when the eternal kingdom 24:05 is inaugurated as his return. 24:07 But you know, I'm giving a bit of vibe, 24:09 what am I serving? 24:10 But the servant on the maintain of God said, 24:11 the kingdom of God is here among you, 24:13 He was bringing it in with its guidelines 24:17 and it's rewards and it's obligations immediately. 24:21 And that's what God wants us to do, I mean, 24:23 God wants us to live the kingdom of God 24:25 in our communities, in our homes, 24:28 in our respective churches. 24:30 Let's also mention this fact that an attack 24:33 on marriage, well, back up. 24:37 The promotion of gay marriage will it becomes 24:40 an attack on marriage and when it becomes 24:42 attack on marriage, it becomes an attack on society. 24:45 And on God's way of order in human behavior. 24:47 Exactly and that's where I'm going, 24:49 so it's a much bigger issue than we choose to 24:54 want to sometimes embrace. 24:55 Now, there is something, we're running out of time 24:57 for this program, but I should say, 25:00 from the beginning, I've seen 25:02 and others have seen a moral issue 25:04 and the need for Christians to 25:06 speak with clarity on this, 25:07 not condemnation, but clarity. 25:09 But on a religious liberty level, 25:11 there is a developing, dynamic, 25:12 it's more and more problematic 25:13 where this new found right, 25:15 gay right is being used to restrict 25:18 and attack the rights of religious expression. 25:21 And I've said, the number of times on this program 25:24 that in Canada, where the 25:26 gay movement is more advanced, 25:28 there is an expectation that we would 25:29 soon see restriction of ministers 25:33 or requirement of ministers 25:35 to perform gay marriages and if they didn't, 25:37 they would be forbidden to function as ministers. 25:40 Well, the signs just heard recently 25:43 that in Saskatchewan, they maybe actually 25:45 putting that into practice, 25:46 but we've expected in Canada, this would be. 25:49 This is a direct attack on the practice of 25:52 religion, not, you know, that's not the gay issue 25:58 per say, but this right is being used against 26:02 the right of Christian expression. 26:03 So how do we stand in these times? 26:06 These are difficult times, 26:07 but we need to decide that we will speak 26:10 as we should speak and take the consequence in my view. 26:14 Well if we're gonna take the consequences, 26:16 we must know the word of God and we hope 26:17 that you will take the time to learn the word of God. 26:20 Being a part of Liberty is not just 26:23 matter of promoting it, but it is also living it 26:26 and living it in truth 26:28 and God's word is the bedrock of truth. 26:30 So we encourage you to take the word of God 26:33 seriously, read it, study it, pray, 26:36 build your relationship with God. 26:38 And as you do, you will discover the truth 26:41 is a wonderful bedrock of comfort and security. 26:48 There is a certain irony that the framers 26:51 and the founders of the American Republic, 26:54 while they were emphasizing individual rights 26:57 were dazedly afraid of the tyranny of the masses. 27:00 The irony is evident today, 27:02 because we're seeing certain special interest groups 27:05 standing for new found rights 27:08 pushing so hard that there is a risk 27:11 that all the established rights 27:13 and obligations will be diminished, 27:15 to see this memorable evidence 27:17 and in the Gay Rights Lobby. 27:19 Now most Christians and many other people 27:22 of religious faith are unsettled 27:25 to see what their regard is something condemned 27:28 in their holy writings so openly practiced. 27:31 But that must be under the separation of 27:32 church and state where there is a danger, 27:36 is where these new found rights are used to 27:38 push against the practice of religion. 27:41 We're seeing that and we must object to that, 27:45 because our religious rights are above 27:48 all of the constructs of the secular society, 27:52 legitimate or otherwise from a biblical, 27:55 moral point of you, biblical morality, 27:58 practical faith must supersede. 28:01 And I hope we never get to see 28:03 religion restricted by a right. 28:07 For Liberty Insider, this is Lincoln Steed. |
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