Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is a program that
brings you up to date news,
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views and discussion on
religious liberty events
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in the United States
and around the world.
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My name is Lincoln Steed,
editor of Liberty Magazine
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and my guest on the
program is Greg Hamilton.
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Welcome Greg. Thanks Lincoln.
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I should say for our
viewers that you are the
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President of the North West
Religious Liberty Association.
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Prophecy, it's one of the things
that has always inspired me
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as I've edited Liberty
Magazine, but even before that
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I've always been concerned
as a Seventh-day Adventist
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to identify and
understand fulfilling prophecy.
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And when we talk
about Religious Liberty
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developments often they
intersect very neatly with,
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with on going prophecy.
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Where do you think we are in the
great stream of prophecy today?
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Do you think, much has happened
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and is there much
more to yet happen?
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Oh! I think there is a
quite a bit to happen yet,
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but I tend to look at in
terms of prophetic trends.
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I see signs of the
times as being indicators,
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as sort of the old fashion
Adventist view which is...
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Wasn't there a
hymn, the way marks,
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the great prophetic way marks?
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Yes, so as far as looking
for definitive fulfillments,
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I think that that
can be misleading to us
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and actually can
trip us for deception
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because not everything is always
spelled up black and white.
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You know, when
it comes to events
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many prophetic fulfillments
are actually quite subtle
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and sometimes we
miss those fulfillments.
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And often only understood in
retrospect as it will pass them.
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And Oh! Yes, and
that that was prophecy.
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There God was dealing.
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I mean who
knows what's happening
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with the Arab unrest right now,
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the Arab Muslim in Middle
East, I mean that that's a
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huge factor going on right now.
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The tsunami in Japan with the
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nuclear melt down
of the nuclear reactor.
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The economic unrest worldwide
we thought we were recovering,
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but now it seems
like we're going backwards
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due to all these
unknowns, these unpredictables
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that political
scientists, geologists,
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environmentalists,
Wall Street people,
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Statements cannot seem
to figure out of control.
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So there, when I
look at prophetic trends
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I classify them in the
three fundamental areas.
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And that's religious, political
and constitutional trends.
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And that also
includes international law.
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And for me, the
biggest trend for me,
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which nobody
seems to talk about,
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everybody, seems to
think it's a good thing.
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This is the
chance to talk about.
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And that is our
religious revival revivalism.
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Absolutely, they
were on the same page.
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And the ecumenical
uniting of different face,
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finding common
ground and setting site
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there most
cherished fundamental beliefs.
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And basically shelving them.
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And we as a
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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would be in great danger
if we went down that road,
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of losing our distinct identity.
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We can repackage it definitely,
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and you and I have
agreed over some things
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on how we could do
that, in terms of symbolism,
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marketing, programming
and that's our thing.
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But I really
believe when it comes
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to understanding
fundamental, religious,
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political and
constitution trends,
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we cannot lose
sight of those things.
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And if we do so, and
if we don't make our self
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students of these
trends from factual,
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credible, astute sources,
then we'd be like pastors
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getting up and
preaching and talking about
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what we know not what.
And putting before the myth,
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putting forward
myths and urban legends.
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Absolutely, we
need to be informed.
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Well, Jesus said
we need to be wise
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as serpents and
harmless as doves.
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Clearly things
are happening, right?
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We're agreed on that,
Jesus, what does Jesus say
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when He stood on
the Mountain Of Olives,
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and His disciples came to
Him and they said tell us,
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well you know what with
the sign of Your coming,
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the end of the age? I
think that was synonyms,
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lot of people
try to split them up.
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And what did He say?
Wars, rumors of wars,
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pestilences,
earthquakes, false Christs. Yes.
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But then He says,
"Then they'll deliver
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you up to be
persecuted, you'll be hated
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by all men for thy name's sake."
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So, that's the very
end, is a persecution,
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right, that's the final event.
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I have no question on
that. We clearly in the mix
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of all these disasters
that you enumerated. Right.
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Things that are shocking to
the world system with that...
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What was the latest survey they
said that 75% of, what was that?
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It was a study that came
out of England from a Catholic;
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they're Catholic,
British Catholic Conference.
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It was that the
most of the persecution,
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religious
persecution is taking place,
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75% of it is against
Christians worldwide.
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Absolutely. That's a
huge staggering figure.
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Yeah, I mean it's
true as the Muslims say,
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and go back to the
crusades and see Christians
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as persecutors are
in the Middle Ages,
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but right now
yes, I do believe that
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Christians are
clearly the most persecuted
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religious group
of the world today.
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So you know, these
things that are happening around
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about us clearly
producing as again the
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Bible said,
speaking at the end of time,
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"Men's hearts
failing them for fear,
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for those things that
are coming upon the earth."
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Whether you're some Republicans
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don't seem to
accept global warming,
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but even if you
don't accept that,
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you have to
accept economic collapse
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and are uncertainty
there just, anyway you cut it,
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you use the term which are
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put in an
editorial once, convergence.
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There's a convergence of all
of these markers of an end time.
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Well, you're
speaking about truth
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and to me it's
like the old slide rule,
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where do you find truth?
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And when we're talking about
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Republicans here
on the environment,
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I mean there are some issues
that I agree with on the left,
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there are some issues
that I agree with on the right.
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Truth is like a
scale, slide rule scale,
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where it can be
on the far right,
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it could be on far left,
it could be in the center,
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it could be in the
center left, center right,
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it could be anywhere in between,
we got to stand for truth
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and not be
embarrassed to stand for truth.
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And not to be
beholden to our peer group
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or are inclined or
natural political prejudices.
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Absolutely. Lest we be deceived.
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Now, the model of,
of final action for
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Christians is
established in the Book of Acts,
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following
Pentecost, we've been told
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quite plainly there
and Seventh-day Adventist
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are reminded again by her and
writings through Ellen White,
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that we can expect
or more than expect
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that that it's an absolute
necessity that there be a
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great revival
and great loud cry,
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the different ways
to express it. Yes.
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Just before it's effectively
past that tipping point.
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Not when Christ
comes, but when His purposes
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are accomplished and
then it's just the final words
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that come apart
then. Yes and then tracking
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that will be the
false revivalism.
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Yes, and we need
to talk about this.
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And I have to say, I
think the false revivalism
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has not taken really
much of religious undertone.
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I think the undertones
and the clear pillars of the,
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this religious
revival is actually political,
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cultural, social and moral.
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And it's where
Evangelical Catholics
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and Evangelical Protestants
are finding common ground
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on so many moral
and political issues.
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Let me throw something in,
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I've never heard
it expressed this way,
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but a false revival
in Religious Liberty,
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we know that to
protect true autonomy of faith.
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You must have a
separation of church and state.
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The separation
between the things of mammon,
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the state of Satan.
And this false movement,
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just to unite church and state.
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Right. That's what
I. So, a false revival
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will have a unification
of church and state. Right.
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And our
unification of civil means
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and control and
of the spiritual.
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In fact, we even told
that the image to beast
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will be whether
religious powers unite to gather
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and actually control the
government, control the state.
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So, it's not just
a matter of uniting,
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it's actually the
Holy Roman Empire model,
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the old papal
model where the church
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actually control the state.
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It manipulated and controlled
the will of emperors and kings.
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Absolutely. Yeah. And
on this program before
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I've mentioned
that I personally see
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a revisiting of that
model in the New United Europe.
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And the religious dynamic
coming to the full there.
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So, on a Religious
Liberty point of view we can see
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what the Bible talks about
being the easily identified
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antitheist to a true
revival, church and state.
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But what about the true revival?
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How have we seen that
yet? Is that a necessity?
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Can we just sort of ignore it?
Will it happen automatically?
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I'll say that the true
revival will be spoken by few,
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and then yes, there
will be a lot of people
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who'll come on board eventually.
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But it's gonna take some time,
and I don't think it will happen
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until
persecution actually happens
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in this country in a big way.
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That that's I hate to say,
but I'm on the old philosophy
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that in fact
many of our audience
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probably
understand this very well.
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I don't believe
that we'll ever wake up
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until persecution hits the fan.
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Yeah. Sort to speak.
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I'm coming to your view point,
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I've been more idealistic
in the past believing the...
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We're too comfortable
here in the United States?
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That God would, would work in a,
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in an apparently spontaneous
way through His people.
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Before that crisis point
and they would come alive
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and then the
crisis point would come.
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That Ellen G. White says,
the leaders that are leaders now
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will not be the
leaders then. No, no.
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That's pretty scary
when you think about it.
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In some ways it's good
news. It could be good news.
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Yeah. I'm not
speaking about a Church
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for a second, but the natural,
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spiritual
leadership will rise up,
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right, and that's
what we would want.
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Right. You know
the Gideons were not so
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self evident
before the angel appeared.
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And maybe it's a
reasonable biblical example
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that God as He says, He will,
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He will finish the work,
and He will interject Himself
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and God will, will
directly stoke the revival.
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But it's more-and-more important
to me as I look at these things,
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to acknowledge this revival,
because I have to admit,
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and I said to you before at
the beginning of the program.
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Analyzing the global
and then particularly
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in the United
States, move toward
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the end of all
things and Religious Liberty
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being threatened and ultimately
an attempt to squash it.
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I think we're
passed the tipping point,
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way passed the
tipping point. Yeah.
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It's not that other
things won't happen,
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but there is not any
great consequence to now project
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or to see what's
already happened working
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its way out and
producing that end.
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And what's missing is
the revival or the loud cry
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or the great
proclamation of, right,
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of God's truth and on
Religious Liberty terminology
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His principle of freedom
needs to be fully expounded.
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And it's very
interwoven directly with
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The Three Angels Messages
which calls us to not only,
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not be the part of Babylon.
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Absolutely, and I'm glad
that you've brought it up.
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To worship the true creator,
to realize that there is
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such a thing as the
beast and his image,
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and it's very
political, and it's very real.
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We often want to
avoid the political
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which is understandable,
but at the same time,
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it is reality, we
have to understand politics
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in the right way, in a heavenly
way because if we don't,
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we will be aiding and
abetting and actually promoting
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the image to the beast
thinking that we're actually
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doing God's will and being
patriotic at the same time.
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Listen to this,
this is what amazes me.
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John Ikenberry who is a
foreign policy specialist,
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who writes in foreign
affairs journal quite a bit,
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did a book
review of a book called
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"God's Century: Resurgent
Religion and Global Politics"
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written by Monica Duffy.
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And here's what he says,
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it's happening
right now globally,
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you know the old
axiom was that well,
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and this is by atheist and
secular humanists and so on
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that there were
religious naysayers.
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They said
basically that when democracy
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and secularism
brings us a new day,
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a new down in society,
in modern society that,
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what would happen is, religion
and religiosity would fade.
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Yeah. In fact, just.
Reverse has happened.
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The reverse has happened
with Facebook, Twitter, Google,
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I mean you name any
device under the sun;
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it's actually spread the word of
religion in a very dynamic way.
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It caused people to be
more, maybe not more spiritual
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or more religious,
but it's giving them
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more of a
religious sense of identity
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and rethinking about God.
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And it's a great report.
And this is very important.
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We need to
revisit this or to visit
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this more fully in a moment,
but for now let's take a break,
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we'll be back shortly
to continue our discussion
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of the Coming Revival
and Fulfilling Prophecy.
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One-hundred years, a
long time to do anything
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much less publish a
magazine, but this year Liberty,
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the Seventh-day Adventist
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of doing what it does best,
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collecting,
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Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider.
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Before the break I was
talking with Greg Hamilton,
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we were actually
getting quite worked up
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there on talking about revival
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and the shifts
that we see in the world
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and of course the
true revival is coming.
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You were
sharing something there?
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Yeah, there's something that's
happening in the world today
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and that is religion
worldwide is having a revival
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whether it's
fundamentalist religion,
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moderate
religion, liberal religion,
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it's just reviving worldwide.
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Let say, resurgence of religion.
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Yeah, religion is a player where
it was counted out worldwide.
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We can see this
in the Muslim world
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with the move for democracy
and all those countries today.
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And here's what John Ikember,
Ikenberry says, he writes,
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"Two great shifts have brought
religion back into politics:
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the growth of the political
and, the growth of the political
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independence of
Christian, Hindu, Jewish,
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and Muslim groups from
the institutions of government
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has allowed them to exercise
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greater
leverage over the state."
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And number two,
"The development of more
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activist political
theologies has given the groups
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new messages about how to
pursue God's will in politics."
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Now, I thought about
that and I thought what
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Ellen White said and we read
this a couple of programs ago,
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which she says
in her own country.
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"In order for the United States
to form an image of the beast,"
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Like the Holy Roman Empire
where the church dominating
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control the state
and Kings and Emperors
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For in his
promotion of its own agenda
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and if they didn't
they got ex-communicated.
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She says, "In order
for the United States
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to form an image of the
beast, the religious powers
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must so control
the civil government
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that the authority of the
state will also be employed
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by the church to
accomplish their own ends."
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That is ecumenical,
that's religions coming together
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on a common cause,
and moral, cultural,
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social and political issues.
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I didn't read
socialism in there,
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I didn't read
socialist, I didn't say secular,
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or secular humanist, or atheist,
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or even the gay
community which you know,
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hey, all those
issues, we need to stand up
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for what is right
because it is right,
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but we need to
understand the bigger picture,
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prophetic picture and
understand that the reaction
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will always be stronger
than the danger or the problem.
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And so, we need to remember
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that in the end
this religious revival,
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these religious
power sort of speak
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is basically setting themselves
up for this grand overwhelming
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deception that
Satan is planning.
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The whole world is
planning to prepare
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for Satan coming as
Christ, pretending to be Christ.
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Well, it's globalism
which a lot of people.
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To establish His
kingdom on the earth.
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Right people, a lot of people
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talk about coming
globalism which I think is...
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One rule government,
Satan just wants it wonderful.
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But the epitome of
that is one world religion,
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one world thinking the same on
the same spiritual wave length.
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Now, as the
Seventh-day Adventist,
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we've long since
picked up, from the Bible
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in Revelation which
speaks of these final events.
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Our matching orders
in Revelation chapter 14,
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and you alluded to it earlier
or you mentioned it earlier,
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but I really
want to go ever again
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and look at this more closely.
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There are three
angels, and we know that
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they are sort of proxies
for what we call to proclaim.
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Three messages, the first says,
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"Worship the
creator of heaven and earth
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because the hour of
His judgment has come."
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So, it's a
callback to God the Creator,
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God the sovereign Lord. Yes.
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And the reason that we're now
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to particularly to
remember God again,
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He says, He's
about to judge the earth.
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So, it's an end time scenario,
Adventist what we're call
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and all who would answer to
that call to give that message,
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but that that's been in
place for all of my life time.
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The second one
says, Babylon is fallen.
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And what's Babylon?
Confusion, isn't it?
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Well, absolutely, yeah.
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Or the great City
Babylon was really the coming
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together of all
religious lines of thought.
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It epitomized the
polytheistic, synchronistic.
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It's confusing and apostasy.
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So, Babylon has
fallen and that's the message
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that that many
churches could give.
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And the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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is tried to give it
that the false worship
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or you know
amalgamated form of worship.
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False doctrines. Or
an unclear representation
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of God is to be
spoken against. Right.
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But the final one
is a warning against
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anyone who takes
the mark of the beast,
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which I don't really
need explain of a bit,
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but a mark that a beast
can take in the number of this
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beast like power
which was identified
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with the persecuting
church and then by extension
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the great dragon himself,
that antithetical evil force
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that opposed God
from the beginning.
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And so, the mark of
this at the end of time
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that The Third Angels
warns against is taking
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an absolute sign of
allegiance to this false system,
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which will compel, it says,
we'll compel great or small,
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rich or poor to obey that.
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And then it says, those that
don't will take the mark of God.
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So, that's a very final
call, and what you read there
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I think it showing that
this is around the corner.
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Oh what amazes me is,
as this will comes together
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in a global religious
confederacy will naturally.
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You don't have to
project very much,
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will have certain
conditions of membership. Yeah.
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It will require you
to believe a certain way.
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We need to be
calling out against that now
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as we begin this
Third Angels message.
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And secular
expositors are telling this,
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I mean everywhere I
read in secular resources
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it's almost like the
rocks are crying out.
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Absolutely. And....and
that Christianity is not.
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Where are the
Christian expositors
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that understand
what's really happening.
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Well, many of them are...
are joining the rush toward
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the negative development,
they are a part of it.
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Not bad people, very
well intention people,
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right, but they are
playing into the wrong dynamic.
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Right, so they are
playing into the wrong crowd
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like in our earlier program.
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We need to be
in the right crowd,
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we need to be
preserved for that holy cause
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like the disciples
were in that upper room
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with the out
pouring of the Holy Spirit.
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We're preserved for a
call for such a time as this.
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We are called for
such a time as this like
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Esther was, like
the disciples were.
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God wants to preserve
us for that special time.
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We called to come
out of her my people,
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yes, yes, and holiness
which used to characterize,
00:21:08.55\00:21:11.51
at least hopefully still does,
but it used to characterize
00:21:11.52\00:21:14.42
the message of
the Adventist church.
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Holiness is to be
set apart for God,
00:21:16.03\00:21:18.22
apart for all of men's
inventions not man's joining,
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but setting apart
and joining with God
00:21:22.71\00:21:25.14
in opposition to this
mix up of religion that...
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that naturally
will develop here.
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God does not only
want our bodies to be holy
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in a sense that our temples,
our body is God's temple,
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and he want to take care of
it and be good stewards of it.
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But He also wants to
take care of our minds
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and not to be in this mad
rush towards joining church
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and state, with the cause of
either the evangelical right,
00:21:44.40\00:21:49.27
or even in the cause
of the interfaith left,
00:21:49.28\00:21:52.13
which we talked
about earlier program.
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In which both
ends really are harmful
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to religious
freedom as we know it.
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It's interesting I am sure
you've noticed it in Revelation
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and Daniel, it
speaks several times there,
00:22:01.40\00:22:04.29
this calls for
understanding. Yes.
00:22:04.30\00:22:06.14
Clearly, you have
to think carefully,
00:22:06.81\00:22:09.01
but it's not
thankfully, it's not pure IQ,
00:22:09.02\00:22:11.43
you and I might
have both failed,
00:22:11.44\00:22:12.95
I think we hope we're not
at the bottom of the pile.
00:22:13.11\00:22:15.64
But it's not that unless you are
00:22:16.04\00:22:17.90
incredibly intelligent
person you'll see it.
00:22:17.91\00:22:19.81
But biblical understanding is
premised on understanding God,
00:22:19.82\00:22:24.20
knowing about God
and His ways and applying
00:22:24.21\00:22:26.65
those points of
logic to what we see
00:22:26.66\00:22:29.33
developing
around us in this world.
00:22:29.34\00:22:30.50
If you don't have
that point of reference,
00:22:30.51\00:22:32.10
I'm certain that even a
super intelligent person
00:22:32.49\00:22:35.17
will be swept away and the
logic of one world government
00:22:35.18\00:22:38.52
of all people to
stop religious factions,
00:22:39.10\00:22:42.13
you know uniting and
peace and harmony, and so on.
00:22:42.40\00:22:44.78
All of these
things are logical or else
00:22:44.79\00:22:46.63
most of mankind
wouldn't go with it.
00:22:46.94\00:22:48.47
And I think that
will only be spurred on
00:22:48.81\00:22:50.88
by increase natural
disasters, natural catastrophes.
00:22:50.89\00:22:54.96
These things
like what had happened
00:22:55.42\00:22:56.75
in Japan with this tsunami.
00:22:56.76\00:22:58.11
The tsunami in Indonesia,
the earthquake in Chile,
00:22:58.51\00:23:01.96
New Zealand, who knows
with that Pacific Ring of Fire,
00:23:01.97\00:23:06.15
that ring of fire out
there, who knows what's next?
00:23:06.50\00:23:08.72
But the point is, is
that, more and more as
00:23:09.04\00:23:12.22
natural
catastrophes hit and it effects
00:23:12.23\00:23:15.04
the economies of
many nations worldwide,
00:23:15.47\00:23:18.03
it effects the politics
of many nations worldwide,
00:23:18.50\00:23:21.22
it effects everybody.
00:23:21.58\00:23:23.29
And when that happens,
in fact, I was at the museum
00:23:23.71\00:23:27.05
with my wife in
Europe this last summer.
00:23:27.06\00:23:29.15
And it was at the
Omaha beach or the museum
00:23:32.49\00:23:34.88
where you do all the beaches,
the landing of World War II
00:23:34.89\00:23:37.71
in Normandy,
France. Normandy, France
00:23:37.72\00:23:39.99
and it's a museum
there, World War II Museum.
00:23:40.00\00:23:42.03
The first plaque you
go in when you see all the
00:23:42.27\00:23:44.23
different films
and plaques everything.
00:23:44.24\00:23:45.61
The first plaque you see as
you take that long winding tour
00:23:45.62\00:23:48.06
is you see a statement that says
00:23:48.82\00:23:50.51
during times of
huge economic down turn,
00:23:51.13\00:23:54.46
that's when
Hitler rose to power,
00:23:54.89\00:23:57.19
Mussolini, okay,
Stalin, okay, they all rose.
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That's very interesting,
I didn't know that they....
00:24:01.70\00:24:03.21
They all rose at
the same time and it
00:24:03.22\00:24:05.64
didn't state that
was a trend in history.
00:24:05.65\00:24:07.75
But if you go
look back in history...
00:24:07.76\00:24:09.28
Of course there is a trend...
despots rise right at the time,
00:24:09.29\00:24:13.55
fascism especially.
00:24:13.56\00:24:14.85
I think we're entering a time
00:24:14.86\00:24:16.46
where we are
becoming more fascist.
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In fact, lots of
people forget that socialism;
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Mayor Glenn
Beck talked lot about
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socialism or
socialism has many faces.
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If you look at the
socialism, National Socialism...
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If you look at
Hitler and Mussolini,
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that was a
fascist form of socialism.
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They were logical brotherhood.
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And then there is
communist socialism
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which we clearly
reject, but it seems like that
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we have this fascination
with fascist forms of socialism,
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which people don't
realize that a Sunday Law
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or the religious powers
controlling the civil government
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is a form of fascism, okay.
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It's clearly a
right wing leaning
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sense of governmental order.
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Fascism, yes, you
being as the front of them,
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fascism is the worship of
the instruments of the state.
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Yes. And of the
unity of that community.
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And so, what
better way then to...
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then to bring that above through
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the religious
control of the state.
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And so this is very
important, and then of course
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there is another
form of socialism,
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there is
democratic modern European
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form of socialism
that we see today.
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Which seems to be
the model that some,
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you know,
liberals in this country
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seem to want to
follow, you know.
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And....and not to be
political heir but you've got...
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you've got all these
three big factors on socialism.
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We are all devolved
to the religion of man.
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Yes. Man
solving, his own problems.
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In the end, when it
says religious powers,
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its referring, I think
like Sadducees and Pharisees,
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the Sadducees
represents the religious
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and political
left of Christ day.
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They were beholden to Rome,
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they were dupes
and puppets of Rome.
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They didn't
believed in the resurrection,
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they didn't believed
in the after life angels.
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The Pharisees
believed in all that and more,
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and they were the
religious and political right.
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But yet they found common
cause to get rid of Christ.
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So, the left and
the right has to find
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something to unite them on.
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I think natural catastrophes
and political turmoil
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and economic
meltdown does that somehow.
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So that the trick is as
we make a grant proclamation
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at the end, to say the
correct thing to move them.
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And yet not be unduly
called travelers and Israelites.
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Yes. As the Bible model put out.
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As unrest and disorder
starts to come into our midst
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and even worldwide.
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We see where there
is a demand for more
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order and a Christian order.
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An order they
prevent chaos or seek to
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involve a remedy against chaos.
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And what better way to do
that through religious revival,
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calling unto God
to seek the remedy
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to all of our problems that
seems to be where we are going.
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As a child I remember attending
camp meetings in Australia,
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back in the sunny
days of summer of my youth.
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And it always
impressed on me that...
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that there was
something pristine
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and pure about those
days of spiritual commitment.
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I can remember
people answering the call,
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coming down the
isle through the straw,
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through the sawdust
trail is it used to be said.
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And then the wonderful hymns
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as people made a
commitment to their Lord.
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Now as I look to
what's happening around me,
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I am a little
older, a lot older.
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I know that I myself recalled
to a recommitment to God.
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As I look to
God's church I know that
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it too needs to
recover its first love.
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As I look to events around
us, I see that they are arguing
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forcibly that we
must come alive again,
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revitalize ourselves
and proclaim God's mercy
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and His warning at the same
time to those around about us.
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Because something great and
wonderful is about to take place
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as the prophet said
to this time for the Lord
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to act because thy
law has been broken.
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God's coming is
drawing very near.
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Thank God that the
Revelation of His spirit
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through great
revival is also needed.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is Lincoln Steed.
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