Participants: Lincoln Steed (Host), Alan Reinach
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Program Code: LI000122
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00:21 Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
00:23 This is our program that gives you information 00:26 and discussion and live breaking news on 00:28 Religious Liberty events all around the world, 00:31 and particularly in the United States and Canada. 00:33 My name is Lincoln Steed, 00:35 Editor of Liberty Magazine. 00:37 And my guest on the program is Attorney 00:39 Alan Reinach, I was thinking, hesitating 00:42 for a moment to think, what other title should 00:45 I give you? You're with the Church State 00:48 Counsel right? Executive Director of the, 00:50 Executive Director, I hesitated because 00:51 you're not president, Executive Director. 00:53 The oldest Religious Liberty organization 00:55 in the West almost 50 years old 00:58 churchstate.org is our website. 01:00 And we hope that people check up on it, 01:03 because you're doing a great work over there. 01:05 I want to talk about something that's very 01:08 much integral to Seventh-Day Adventist 01:10 proclamation of Religious Liberty. 01:11 You well know and our viewers may know 01:14 who watched this program before that 01:17 Liberty Magazine goes back about a 105 years now. 01:21 And our Religious Liberty work goes back 01:24 to the 1880s. And, it was really set on 01:28 its way by an editor of the Liberty Sentinel, 01:31 Alonzo T. Jones and his co-editor was 01:35 J.H. Waggoner. Within our church there's 01:38 still a residual role of controversy from a 01:44 proclamation that A.T. Jones gave in the 1880s. 01:47 You remember that school, the 1888 01:48 message for some people. 01:50 What was your understanding of 01:52 that event because I think it's very pertinent 01:54 to what is happening today in, in general 01:58 events and perhaps even in the Adventist church. 02:00 Well you know, within the Adventist church 02:02 there's some grasp that Jones ran a foul of, 02:06 of some in church leadership because 02:09 of his emphasis on righteousness by faith. 02:11 You know, when the early Advent believers 02:14 discovered the perpetuity of the law of God 02:18 and that the Sabbath was still the Sabbath 02:20 and had never been changed. 02:22 They got very excited and of course this was 02:25 something that they naturally wanted 02:28 everybody to appreciate and they 02:31 began to emphasize perhaps over emphasize 02:34 the law of God and began to neglect 02:38 the Gospel itself. And what Jones was doing 02:41 was really returning the law to it's proper 02:44 perspective in terms of the righteousness 02:46 of Christ that after all no one is saved by their 02:51 own obedience, by their own performance 02:54 we're saved by the grace of God, 02:56 the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us. 03:00 And, our performance is not the basis of 03:04 our salvation. Well, he got a lot of people 03:07 very upset by his emphasis on righteousness 03:11 by faith and the righteousness of Christ, 03:13 but he also got people upset because of 03:16 what he was doing with religious freedom. 03:18 Well, that's the connection I want to make; 03:20 you gave a fairly good analysis of his, 03:22 of the tenure of his revival message. 03:25 And I think it's not much different than any 03:27 other call to revival emphasizing the holiness 03:30 and greatness of God and, how, we were only 03:33 saved through Him and, and we're his servants 03:35 and we need to honor him more powerfully 03:38 in our lives and our witness. But there is an 03:42 antecedent to, those messages he gave in 1880 03:45 because he, had been powerfully promoting 03:49 Religious Liberty through Liberty Sentinel 03:51 and then to Adventist telling them the prophecy 03:55 was fulfilling. So, in any number of developments 03:58 in the United States progression toward a 04:01 time of controversy over the Sabbath in particular, 04:06 he was fighting developing National Sunday Law. 04:09 And as I read the material in the history 04:12 and the story of A. T. Jones, he deduced 04:15 that since these things were fulfilling, 04:17 since a conflict was imminent. 04:19 Therefore God's people need to rise up 04:22 and re-dedicate themselves and in essence have 04:25 a revival. This was, it called 04:26 the times called for revival. 04:28 Right, and if that was true then how much 04:32 more true. That's my point. Exactly, today if, 04:36 leading me there, I mean I know among Seventh-day 04:39 Adventist that I talked to there is this general 04:43 sense that we are on the borders of eternity, 04:46 that this world is in such chaos and turmoil 04:50 and insecurity. The status quo cannot continue 04:54 indefinitely, but surely Christ's coming 04:57 as at hand, but frankly if that's the case it is 05:03 way pass time for the church to rouse itself. 05:06 Ellen White who wrote many wonderful inspiring 05:11 things to early Adventist says a lot about this, 05:13 and I read a quote the other day that chipped 05:15 me a little bit and it goes against what I've 05:18 been trying to promote on the revival. 05:20 She says that the great performance 05:23 and I think she included both the, 05:24 the biblical reformers and those in the 05:27 Reformation. You know, reacted powerfully 05:31 and let out and she says, we will not be able 05:33 to act like them until the crisis comes upon us. 05:37 Its a very interesting quote. 05:39 I've actually seen it the other way, 05:41 I thought that we needed to have a necessity, 05:44 a revive to prepare for the crises, 05:47 but she seems to say that the crisis 05:50 itself creates that dynamic of revival. 05:54 I would like to see that quote, I really would. 05:58 I, I should have brought it with me, but it. 05:59 But, I think you know, I'm still sort of shaken 06:01 a little from it. The point, the point 06:02 that I think you and I are, are really seeing 06:05 together is the importance of religious freedom 06:10 and revival going hand in hand. Absolutely. 06:13 And you know one thing it seems to me Lincoln, 06:16 our own Adventist church along with many other 06:19 churches puts within Protestantism puts a 06:23 great emphasis on the personal relationship 06:26 with Christ. And it's easy for us to see revival 06:29 and reformation in almost narcissistic 06:33 self-centered terms, it's all about my renewing, 06:37 my relationship with Christ. But you know, 06:40 I like to tell church audiences you know 06:42 I'm a lawyer, but I get to preaching that there 06:44 are more important things in this world then 06:47 you're eternal destiny. Now, grant it it's real 06:50 important to me whether I'm going to heaven 06:52 or hell, my destiny is important to me, 06:55 but there's a bigger picture and as Christians 06:58 we owe allegiance to the Almighty Creator 07:02 and His character and reputation are being 07:04 maligned in this world. Right, both believers 07:07 and unbelievers are alike are saying terrible 07:11 things about God. And are we prepared to defend 07:15 the reputation and the character of the Creator 07:19 before a culture that's increasingly cynical, 07:22 increasingly blasphemes and sacrilegious in its 07:27 attitudes towards the Creator. 07:29 To me that's far more important than 07:32 my worrying about, oh did I make a mistake? 07:36 Did I do the right thing? Am I reading my Bible 07:38 enough? Am I praying enough, 07:40 I'm I you know the things what I'm doing 07:43 you're not doing it can be very not our religion 07:46 can be very narcissistic instead 07:48 of outreach oriented. Even closer to the topic 07:51 that represent in this program, is it possible 07:54 that our, the way we, present Religious 07:59 Liberty is narcissistic and, and devoid of the 08:03 real Spirit of what it should be carried forward. 08:05 I've heard too many Church leaders define 08:08 Religious Liberty as you know making more 08:12 time for us to preach the Gospel, 08:14 it's very selfish, it's very narcissistic. 08:17 Religious Liberty is just you know, 08:19 protecting our own interest, no it's the 08:22 golden rule, it is the Gospel, Christ died 08:26 to save the, all of humanity. 08:30 And He's given everyone the freedom to think 08:33 and to believe and to worship because a loving 08:36 God gives freedom, love and it can't be converse. 08:40 In promoting the true principles of 08:42 Religious Liberty. We in essence and this is 08:44 A. T. Jones, are preaching the character 08:46 the Gospel, of preaching the Gospel. 08:47 It's, not a little add on, this is it. 08:49 No, it is, it's the golden rule, exactly. 08:52 You know we and, and, and the golden rule 08:55 is not so much about coveting people, 08:58 people's respect and treatment of us. 09:00 It's really other centered, it's about okay, 09:04 well of course you don't want to be treated 09:05 like that, so why are you treating other people 09:08 that way. You know we know that we value 09:11 the ability to worship God the way we understand 09:15 God in our own Church culture, why shouldn't 09:18 we extend that same freedom to others. 09:21 Yeah so you know, back to the little history that 09:23 I was trying to recap. I think it was a golden 09:27 moment where Adventism which had began 09:31 in a certain sense, sort of narcissistic 09:34 individuals preparing themselves to, 09:37 you know to stand on their, no Adventist stood 09:39 on Ascension Rock, but you know they came out 09:41 of those people that you know, it was just them 09:43 to prepare and then the Church was, 09:46 was fairly introspective in those early days, 09:48 but I think with A.T. Jones it became a 09:51 broader vision. A much, it's a much broader vision. 09:56 And so Religious Liberty I think can lead the way, 09:59 not only to revival, but to a broader vision 10:01 by the Church. And, and I've been little 10:03 troubled as I looked around the some of the 10:05 things that our Church has done. 10:07 They're very self-serving, the idea that we can, 10:09 we would do it anyhow, but that that we exist 10:13 just to solve problems of particular 10:15 Adventists in the workplace that we sort 10:18 of like an insurance policy for us, or even 10:22 worse that we can be the early warning men 10:25 to tell our own members well certain troubles are 10:28 coming and now you can shape up, you can 10:30 hither to your own, sleep, right, 10:32 but this is the moment you're supposed to come 10:33 awake. Now I think we should always be the 10:36 watchmen on the walls of Zion as the Bible 10:38 uses that figure. But, we should be 10:41 proclaiming loudly as Jesus said in Nazareth, 10:43 the principles of the Kingdom, release of the 10:46 captive to set at liberty those who are oppressed. 10:48 That was Christ's first sermon wasn't it? Exactly. 10:51 At the synagogue quoting from Isaiah 61, 10:54 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me; 10:55 he's anointed me to preach good tidings, 10:58 liberty to the captives, the opening of the 11:01 prison of them that are bound." 11:02 Liberty is fundamental to the Gospel itself. 11:07 And I think the time is right, but it's always 11:09 been right, but it's the fullness of time now for, 11:14 for our church and indeed all people 11:16 of good faith that might watch this program 11:18 to recognize the times demanded. 11:21 We're in a time that's drifting toward 11:23 the abyss on many fronts, certainly as 11:25 we said in another program, even in the 11:27 United States that certain antagonism 11:29 toward true faith, the practice of true faith. 11:32 Why not as we speak Religious Liberty 11:34 work toward a revived Spirit of concern 11:37 and care for our country, for our fellows, 11:39 proclamation of Christ's soon return, 11:41 it's an exciting moment. This should be 11:44 surrounding our message of Religious Liberty. 11:46 Okay, but there's, there's a basic, basic almost 11:50 kind of a schizophrenic tension between on 11:54 the one hand with Churches that emphasize 11:57 the need for repentance and holiness before 12:00 the coming of Christ, or we want to separate 12:03 from the world, we don't want to contaminate 12:05 ourselves, we want come apart and be pure 12:07 and Holy and overcome sin and be righteous, 12:11 but on the other hand we have an obligation 12:16 to prepare the world for the coming of Christ. 12:20 And maybe the Cross that we have to take up 12:23 and if Christ gave His life to save us, 12:26 we may have to give up our own pretensions 12:30 of holiness and risk contamination to actually 12:35 go out into all the world as Christ has given us 12:40 the great commission for a witness. 12:42 And proclaim the love of Christ, 12:45 I mean how can we sit apart as it were 12:48 in our Churches, tell people to come to us 12:51 and hear about the love of Christ, 12:52 but don't contaminate us. 12:54 It's, was that parable of Jesus. 12:58 You know the, the invitation of the 12:59 weddings stuff, you go out to the highways 13:01 and byways bring them in, that's right. 13:03 The regular guests are not that stirred about it, 13:06 but there's people out there that if we can 13:07 just invite them that's something significant. 13:10 I, I'll jump to the area that you might not have 13:13 thought of, but I believe we're in a, 13:15 an area of world's, the world's history when 13:17 some of the old struts to human thinking 13:21 like Statism. Communism, capitalism, 13:25 you name it. Those don't hold as much 13:27 confidence for most people as before. 13:29 Well, so even though the world seems secular 13:32 and it's probably is the secular as 13:34 it's ever been. The openness to something 13:37 new people just want something to 13:40 grab hold of, I don't think it's never been 13:42 more evident then now. Let me put it in a 13:44 different, as a great need, let me put it 13:46 in a little different philosophical context, 13:48 but I think we're coming to the same conclusion. 13:50 For more than two centuries the enlightenment 13:53 theory of progress of human progress and the, 13:57 and human perfectibility this posed a grave 14:01 challenge to Christianity. And for two centuries 14:05 Christianity failed to knock enlightenment 14:08 off our, off its mark. That's true we, 14:12 we need to comeback after a break 14:14 and continue this, it's so engrossing that it's 14:16 hard to stop, but we'll be back to talk more 14:18 about revival and the enlightenment. 14:29 One-hundred years, a long time to do anything 14:32 much less publish a magazine, but this year 14:35 Liberty, the Seventh- Day Adventist voice of 14:38 religious freedom, celebrates one hundred 14:41 years of doing what it does best, collecting, 14:44 analyzing, and reporting the ebb and flow of 14:47 religious expression around the world. 14:49 Issue after issue. Liberty has taken on the 14:52 tough assignments, tracking down threats 14:54 to religious freedom and exposing the work 14:56 of the devil in every corner of the globe. 14:59 Governmental interference, personal attacks, 15:02 corporate assaults, even religious freedom 15:04 issues sequestered within the church 15:06 community itself have been clearly and 15:08 honestly exposed. Liberty exists for one 15:11 purpose to help God's people maintain that 15:14 all important separation of Church and State, 15:17 while recognizing the dangers inherent in 15:20 such a struggle. During the past century, 15:22 Liberty has experienced challenges of its 15:24 own, but it remains on the job. 15:27 Thanks to the inspired leadership of a long 15:30 line of dedicated Adventist Editors, 15:32 three of whom represent almost half of 15:33 the publications existence and the foresight 15:36 of a little woman from New England. 15:38 One hundred years of struggle, 15:40 one hundred years of victories, religious 15:43 freedom isn't just about political machines and 15:46 cultural prejudices. It's about people 15:49 fighting for the right to serve the God 15:51 they love as their hearts and the Holy 15:54 Spirit dictate. Thanks to the prayers and 15:57 generous support of Seventh-Day 15:59 Adventists everywhere. Liberty will continue 16:01 to accomplish its work of providing timely 16:03 information, spirit filled inspiration, 16:06 and heaven sent encouragement to all who 16:09 long to live and work in a world bound 16:12 together by the God ordained 16:14 bonds of religious freedom. 16:27 Welcome back to the Liberty Insider. 16:28 Before the break with Attorney Alan Reinach 16:31 we were talking about Revival, Alan 16:33 and you were making a point about the 16:36 enlightenment and how the views are 16:38 changed since then. What Christianity 16:40 failed to do in dethroning the enlightenment 16:43 in two centuries of conflict. 16:45 Christianity essentially caved into modernism 16:48 and adopted Greek ways of thought, reason, 16:51 logics and, and accommodated 16:53 itself to secularism and in many respects 16:56 post-modernism has absolutely demolished 17:00 and dethroned enlightenment concepts 17:03 of human progress, of reason as the basis 17:07 for meaning and purpose in life. 17:10 And, and the human perfectibility. 17:13 That's true and I think that. And because, 17:14 but post-modernism has essentially said, 17:17 there is no absolutes, there is no objective 17:20 basis for meaning and purpose. 17:22 And by depriving people of any real foundation 17:27 it has created this vacuum of meaning and 17:30 purpose in people's lives that the Gospel 17:34 is designed to fill. And that's what I was 17:37 gonna point out and I think that's why some 17:38 people have taken the same that we're not in 17:40 a postmodern era we beyond that 17:42 we're in the post-Christian era. 17:44 Well, Europe is post-Christian, 17:45 United States is not the same way. 17:49 The United States is a conundrum and we, 17:51 you know, we spend lot of time discussing it, 17:54 many books are written. I think it's structurally 17:56 very religious and, and I try to make the 17:59 distinction in liberty all the time. 18:01 I'm not so sure that if spirituality which 18:04 is an understanding and an exemplification 18:06 of the deeper values of religion that 18:09 America has greatly ahead of other places, 18:12 but the respect for the institution 18:15 of religion runs deep here. 18:17 Its integration and what it is to be an American 18:20 is rather unique at least in the western 18:22 world and that's state, but I think this 18:26 post-Christian dynamic as it's present 18:28 in the United States is elsewhere. 18:30 Well, there is no question. It's the 18:32 consumer society, it's the, it's the, 18:36 a culture where you don't know your neighbor, 18:37 and so your a psychological island 18:41 rather than part of a community. 18:42 All of this has cut us off from history 18:44 and from the spiritual moorings 18:48 that gave people even in desperate times 18:51 in the past, a little sense of being that 18:53 they still knew who they were. 18:55 If you look at the statistics and George 18:57 Barna has done a good service to the 18:59 Church by consistently surveying especially 19:04 Christians. And what we find is 19:07 Christians in America today are a number 19:09 one Biblically illiterate to great extend. 19:13 And number two, they don't have a 19:14 biblical or a Christian worldview, 19:17 their world views are shaped to a great 19:20 extend by FoxNews, not by the Bible. 19:23 Yeah, absolutely. And it may come 19:26 as a shock to our listeners, 19:27 but there is a difference. 19:29 Yeah, now there, I see there is many 19:31 surveys including Barna's and it's, 19:34 it's amazing you know, Bible characters 19:36 like Goliath and that you can never count 19:40 on even a majority of Christians even 19:42 recognizing those simple things let alone 19:45 comprehending concepts like the new 19:48 birth and so on. So, it's not a question. 19:53 And this is true even of those who 19:54 claim to be born again. That's what I mean, 19:56 yeah. And yes, it's true even those 19:58 that understand that or at least 20:00 understand what, what it means to a 20:01 pointing of claim to be a born again. 20:03 And I think it gives meaning to what 20:05 Jesus said, you know I think in a 20:07 darker moment and these earthly 20:08 ministries says, "When the Son of Man comes, 20:10 will he find faith on the earth?" Yeah. 20:14 And we probably can't expect a massive 20:18 coming home of a large part of the population, 20:21 but still there are those that Christ wants 20:23 and will be receptive when a message 20:26 has given. And, and we should 20:27 place it before them. 20:29 Well, when faith become so shallow 20:33 it becomes very difficult for the culture 20:36 to respect religious freedom. 20:37 'Cause when faith is that trivial and that 20:39 shallow those who actually hold convictions 20:44 so strenuously that they will not compromise 20:49 say and work on Sabbath or you know 20:51 take off a cross or a Yamaka as part of 20:57 a business dress code that become strange, 21:01 peculiar, and unacceptable in 21:05 our society. How dare you think 21:07 that you can practice your faith when 21:09 you come to work in your real life? 21:12 Now, faith is for you private life, 21:15 go to Church and have faith, 21:16 but you come to work and you leave 21:18 your faith at home. Yeah, and that's 21:20 increasingly the, the attitude that, 21:22 that we're seeing in our businesses 21:24 in our courts. Now, on a previous 21:27 program I have mentioned something 21:29 that is encouraging to me in my Church. 21:33 Recently at general, World General 21:36 Conference Session elected a new 21:37 president, Dr. Ted Wilson and to his credit 21:42 pretty much from day one he has been 21:44 talking up revival and need for revival 21:46 in the Church. And I can't say that in a, a, 21:51 a grand scheme of things that we've 21:53 had it here, but I see many good signs 21:56 that it may happen. And certainly any 21:58 religious leader that talks, dedication, 22:01 renewal, and reformation is doing 22:05 the Lord's business. And I think something 22:07 very good will come of that. 22:09 But, when I related again to Religious Liberty? 22:11 You mentioned the way defending 22:12 the rights in this case of Seventh-day Adventist, 22:15 but we would argue for the rights of 22:17 any person of any faith Christian 22:19 or other wise to practice that in the 22:21 workplace in their life and so on. 22:23 And so, when we're dealing with Adventist 22:25 where we arguing and defending them, 22:29 that's fine, but if the vast majority 22:32 in their daily lives are not so, 22:35 you know their name is on the books, 22:37 but they're not really that concerned, 22:39 they'll do anything on the Holy day 22:41 that feels good to them rather than what 22:43 the Bible says. They go to, 22:45 to Church on Sabbath, but during the week 22:47 they're indistinguishable. 22:48 Alright, from their peers, where does that 22:50 leave this whole Religious 22:52 Liberty revival dynamic? 22:53 What I'm, what I'm saying Lincoln is this, 22:55 revival and reformation in the context 22:59 of the coming of Christ, with Christ coming 23:02 at hand must include more than a personal 23:07 reformation of our own morals, of our 23:09 own personal spiritual disciples, 23:13 Bible study prayer etc. It has to encompass 23:17 the final proclamation of the Gospel 23:19 to the world. And The Three Angels 23:21 of Revelation 14, that we as Adventist hold, 23:25 hold dear. Where the First Angel talks 23:27 about proclaiming and everlasting Gospel, 23:29 but the Second Angel, creator God, 23:31 the Second Angel is a warning against 23:35 Church and State uniting and becoming 23:38 oppressive and the collapse of civilization 23:41 Babylon's fall results from the Union of 23:44 Church and State. The Religious Liberty 23:47 message is integral to the final 23:51 proclamation of the Gospel. 23:53 So, you can't separate Religious Liberty 23:55 and the Gospel, and you can't separate 23:57 the revival is designed for us to give 24:00 these messages. And of course 24:01 the Third Angel's message. But what I was 24:04 saying, that's right. Religious Liberty 24:07 by definition is a pointless exercise to be 24:13 advancing a right for a people who are 24:15 not requiring it, if you understand 24:18 what I've said, if people are only 24:21 nominal that they're not really concerned, 24:24 say what they, and how they behave 24:26 themselves compare to the, the principles 24:29 they adopt. What dynamic is there that we 24:33 go and argue for it and demanded it 24:35 of the state and proclaim it, 24:36 there has to be these things have 24:38 to come in line. So, and that's, 24:41 if you hear anything, but you're really 24:43 have Religious Liberty coming into it's own, 24:46 it should be in tandem with the people 24:48 who understand liberty and are active about it, 24:51 what has to be a revival? 24:53 I think what I hear you're saying is, 24:55 there's no point of having laws that protect 24:57 their right to not work on Sabbath, 24:59 if we're gonna go work on Sabbath anyway, 25:01 right. That we obviously need to 25:04 first of all internalize and value 25:07 the principles of our own faith. 25:09 And I'll give a secular example 25:12 which is in verse you know it's fine 25:16 to talk about civil liberties and protections 25:18 under the constitution, if people are living 25:20 as slaves and if they're willing to let 25:23 the government tell them to do whatever, 25:26 doesn't matter what difference what 25:28 the law says, they're comfortable 25:30 with the most repressive regime because 25:32 they don't have a concept in 25:33 themselves of freedom. And people of faith 25:36 truly need to live that life of faith 25:39 and proclaim Religious Liberty 25:41 or else it's just an abstraction 25:42 that is of no value to them. 25:44 Well, but Religious Liberty is also 25:46 key to revival and to the final 25:50 proclamation of the Gospel, 25:51 because frankly people don't care 25:55 what you know until they know how much 25:57 you care? Right, and with our 25:59 Religious Liberty work we are showing 26:02 the love of Christ to people of different 26:04 faiths and building bridges 26:06 and opportunities for them to come 26:08 to appreciate the Jesus that we love 26:11 and serve. But, it's not just per say 26:14 the love of Christ it's I believe Religious 26:17 Liberty gives us an expectation on the other, 26:21 behalf of the others for to explain 26:23 ourselves and that explaining is 26:25 presenting the love of Christ. 26:27 Well and, and more than just explaining 26:29 the love of Christ when we work for 26:32 religious freedom, we're proclaiming 26:33 something very basic about the character 26:35 of God that the Creator has created 26:38 the mind of men free, and we're defending 26:41 everyone's rights because of who God is, 26:45 so we're proclaiming something very 26:47 fundamental to the identity 26:48 and character of God. 26:52 When speaking about revival it's 26:54 usually correctly asserted that true 26:57 Religious Revival should not just depend 27:00 upon emotion. I look in the Bible 27:03 and read there that King Josiah when he 27:06 came into office after several wicked Kings 27:10 had ruled before him, including his father, 27:15 inquired of the temple that it 27:16 should be clean, cleansed and as they 27:17 cleansed it they found the book of the law. 27:21 But, it's usually thought of as antithetical 27:23 to revival, when the words of the law 27:25 were read to him, he rent his robes 27:28 and called upon the people to seek 27:30 the Lord the result was a great revival. 27:34 Today, we have separation of 27:35 Church and State, no theocracy, 27:37 but I think a true national revival must 27:41 have start with spirituality and 27:43 reformation at the Church level 27:46 and the leaders, true Godly leaders need 27:49 to seek the Lord, re-institute through 27:53 worship and recognized that their power 27:56 and the power of the temple is separate 27:58 and the God's spirit can move upon all 28:01 people throughout the land. 28:05 For Liberty Insider this is Lincoln Steed. |
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