Welcome to the
Liberty Inside and this is the
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program that brings
you up to date news, views
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information and
discussion on religious
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liberty issues. My
name is Lincoln Steed,
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the editor of
Liberty magazine and my guest
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on the program is
Attorney Grace Mackintosh,
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welcome again Grace,
there is a lot of things
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we can talk about but
I want to start of about
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talk about evolution,
not ask to involving into
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more able
effective televisions. So,
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participants, but you
know, study of evolution
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or the presentation of
evolution is become very
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problematic for people
to fight, I see evolution is
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a contrary idea to
creation, no it's a man
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made view, how we
can do be, and you know,
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that could be
discussed in realm of ideas, but
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in the educational
institutions particularly
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a Christian
institution to teach evolution
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seems such a contradiction.
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I would agree with
that. Is it possible, is it
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happening
somewhere. It is happening just
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a personal
thought, I think that, as
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we move towards a
state, where I think
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Christian schools
are going to be compelled
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to teach evolution,
that is an important to keep
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in mind, that it's a
wonderful opportunity
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to educate our youth,
so that they can engage
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and discussions
with respective evolution
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versus creationism
or intelligent design,
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intelligently
instead of the new Jerk, Oh!
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he didn't come from
apes, you know, that
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really inflammatory,
but in Canada, we're
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moving down that
road, where, if you're at
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Christian Educational
Institution, you'll be
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compelled to teach
evolution. Compelled to teach
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Evolution.
That's. Nothing we can do
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about it. I
think that there will
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be some, some of
these matters that will go
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to the courts, but in
the end I, I don't think
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that, we're going
to win that battle in
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Cubec, the minister
of education has adopted
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a policy where by
all schools including
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private schools, those
that are licensed by the
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state and those that
aren't licensed are compelled
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to teach the
provincial curriculum and that
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includes evolution
and same sex-issues.
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Now, I can tell
you, United states
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have some Adventist
institution, where just
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teaching evolution let be a,
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a ground swell of
opposition a hell of
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protest that we
subverting demands of our young
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people, but you're
saying that, that in
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Canada, this
might be un-avoidable.
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Well, in Quebec it
is un-avoidable and
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do you think that
there is one case that's
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moving towards the
courts and we'll see you know,
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where the shift moves you
know we're shifting towards
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compelling Christian
Educational Institutions
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to teach whatever
curriculum the state
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dictates whether or
not they are licensed,
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because in Quebec,
this is whether or not
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your license and in
fact if you're accredited,
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there is a threat
that you'll have your
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creditation
revoked. And, I do think
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though that it's a
tremendous opportunity
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for Christian
schools to educate our youth,
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so that they can
engage intelligently on the
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discussion. What's
going a bit of devil's effort,
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okay, because I don't
think it's necessarily
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absolutely off the
table, what's going to probably
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gonna happen in
Canada, that in a
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Christian Institution,
where the Bible would be
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incorporated,
whenever possible or Biblical
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principles would sort
of diffuse through the
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whole education
and we expect that and
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then in science, it
would be made with an
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understanding of
creation, but I don't
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think, it would be
incompatible with that
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as it
informational aspect to a full
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education to give
them the particulars of
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evolution as it's understood and
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towards
elsewhere, we're not to be
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willfully ignorant
because that's Bible
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says of these
things. Right. But I do
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believe that, that
say in the United States
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where there is not
such a requirement that if
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we had evolution
being toward to an Adventist
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School by someone decidedly
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pro-evolutionists
or a pro-evolutionary
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position and that
would be contradiction of
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our right particular
and certainly they would
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be out of think
with their employment
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principles, so what
I'm trying to do is make a
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distinction between
what you're describing may
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happen and what most
people would see, if we
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presently start
to teaching evolution
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in Adventist
School would be a bad son.
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Here are the two
major concerns from a legal
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stand point. So, a Christian
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Educational Institution
gradually loosing the
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control of a curriculum.
And, that is the way of
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so many issues, isn't?
Right. So, there is two
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scenarios that
then emerge, one is what
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if you're handed
curriculum from the
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State, that is something
that the parent objects
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to and they would
like their child to have an
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option to leave
the classroom. Well, in
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Canada we're removing
towards no Opp doubts,
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so for example
in Ontario, there is
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a School Board
that has developed same
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sex curriculum and
there is no Opp doubt with
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the children, the
parents has no right
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to decide what is
presented to the child
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in the secular
school. And, how long is it
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be for this kind
of thinking moves into
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private school
sector. Secondly, if you began
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to those control
over who your teachers are
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and their ideology
and how they present the
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curriculum, there
are new kind of you're
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loosing your
identity from the back door
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and the front door,
right you're loosing
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control of your
curriculum, you're
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loosing control over
you, you can hire as a
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teacher. And, then
it become instead of the
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issue and claims
with it's Adventist is a
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Christian school.
Last year identity, I
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think in a Christian
school, as a Christian
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school being able
to present education
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within a Biblical
context, there is an
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organisation in Canada,
it's called the Canadian
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Association of
University Teachers and it
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represents above
65,000 teachers at the
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University level,
and it's a conglomeration
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on the unions
basically, and last year, they
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conducted an
investigation, which
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respects to several
Christian Universities.
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And, the
investigation was done without
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any knowledge
initially, and then it became
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a parent to Trinity
Western for example,
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in British Columbia,
which is an Evengilical
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University that some
of there teachers and
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teachers that are
taught and moved on, were being
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contacted by the
CAUT and ask questions
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and of course on their
website Trinity Western
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says that they exist
to create disciples of
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Jesus. Interesting
it's a reasonable statement
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for the Christians Institution.
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Well, the
investigation was published as a
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report endly
2009, and the summary is
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that, they've put
several, about four
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Christian Universities
on a list, and one of
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their pillars other
institution, and reason
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for existing is
to promote academic
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freedom and to protect
it, and they've put these
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Universities and
noticed that they believe, that
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they're operating
in contravention of the
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principles of
academic freedom and that the
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teachers in
particular are not allowed to
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think outside the
religious box and so you've this
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chilling effect.
They've publicly stated
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that it's not a
black list. And, that will
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tell that way
very easily, where to,
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but they won't,
they've visited the
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different, that's
looks like where it's going,
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they've visited to
different Universities,
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so one is, if Evangelical
University and be see,
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there was a
Baptized University in
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New Brunswick, there
is a Mennonite college.
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Now, even if you
tell with us, I can think
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it if one way to spend
this where it correctly,
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I think, this is wonderful that
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from a secular
point of view, when they
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investigate these Christian
Institutes, they find that
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they're indeed different,
they're out of sink, with
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this generalized
morality, and I would be
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troubled, if they
could make that such an
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examination and say
I wanna they're fine,
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and everything is in
agreeing with what we're doing
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we're meant to be
different. Christianity is
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not the way of the
world, what's bad about this
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is, is the judgement
that they put once they
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make that the
determination, yeah, what
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are they going to do
about it? What are they
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going to do about
that? So, they, they put
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these Christian
Educational Institutions
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under a rubrik
and that is you know,
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their, their
offside with respect
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to academic freedom.
And, that's a negative,
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and they won't engage
any further in open or
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formal discussion and
my thoughts are, they're
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waiting for a good
fact scenario, a teacher
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who is terminated
or somehow, you know,
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publish something and
it's not an accordance
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with the ideology
of the school and then
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that will go to
court. Well, that's what I
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had an interesting
seminar recently at
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Andrew's University,
a Seventh-day Adventist
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University on Gay
marriage and that's what
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I told to myself,
what happens when some,
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when you've known,
immediate particular
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case, but when and
if some professor here
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openly comes out for a
gay lifestyle or teaches
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and someone will
try to fire him, I said,
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you'll fire, perhaps
that you're not abled.
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So, I think this is,
these little Litmus cases
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are just waiting
to appear. I agree.
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And things could
certainly turn very negative for
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Christian
education. They could turn very
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negative, when you
look at the scenario with
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respect to the secondary
schools. You could, you
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know, you can still get
into University, let's say
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you grow through a
secondary school with
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no accreditation, but
if they threatened the
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accreditation of our
post secondary institutions,
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what will happen to
our youth, and if they're
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saying, this
Christian University
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exist and to
create disciples of Jesus
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and we are presenting
the curriculum within the
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context of the Bible
and if they're saying
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that is now in
contravention of academic
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freedom and the
pillars of academic freedom,
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where do we go from that. Yeah,
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You know, it puts
me to remind about,
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10 years ago now
Bob Jones University
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and the furore
that was created by
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Senator John
McCain to try to embarass
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George Bush during
a Camp by speaks and
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this spoke Bob Jones
University, which had
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some rather cake and
really truly prejudicial
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views on a durational
dating, but at the same
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time they had very
particular views on
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Christian behavior of
the Biblical, they had
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certain prophetic
view points and the whole
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thing was, just
dismissed you know,
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appropriate in the
modern world, just, at a
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simple society
and then you know,
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George Bush shouldn't
have spoken there and he had
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no right to speak there,
which of course he did under
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the constitution and
they had no right to exist
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in an Educational
Institution. I could see
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that the tide had
began to turn and it's
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rushing faster, faster overtime
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against such
particular presentation, faith
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presentation. I agree with that,
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and this is why
it's extremely important
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to support those
individuals, who are
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saying on top of
these issues and who will
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end up in the
courts. You're right.
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We'll back after
the break to discuss a
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little bit more about
Christian education in a
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modern world and
fighting against the efforts to
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to inhibit that
Christian particular in
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the college or
University or the school.
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100 years, a long time
to do anything, much less
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publish a magazine,
but this year Liberty,
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the Seventh Day Adventist
voice of religious freedom
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celebrates 100 years of
doing what it does best,
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collecting, analyzing,
and reporting, the urban flow
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of religious
expression around the world.
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Issue after issue,
Liberty has taken on the tough
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assignments, tracking down
threats to religious freedom
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and exposing the work of
the devil in every corner
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of the globe. Governmental
interference, personal attacks,
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corporate assaults,
even religious freedom issues
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that are questioned within
the Church Community itself
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have been clearly
and honestly exposed.
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Liberty exists for one purpose,
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to help God's
people may inherent
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all important
separation of Church and State,
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while recognizing
the dangerous inherent
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and such a struggle.
During the past century,
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Welcome back to
the Liberty Inside.
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Before the break, I
was talking to Attorney
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Mackintosh about
education in Canada
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and some of the vice
that accreditation and
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negative views of
Christian schools,
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it's really turning
the tide against religious
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freedom. That's
right. What else do you want
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to tell us what's
happening? Where do
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you think this is
going? I think that there is a
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movement and it's
really strong and I think the
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group that's,
that's behind the movement
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we've organized, I
think the brilliant and I do
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think that they've
an agenda and basically
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it's hegemonic claim
insisting. Our viewers
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might not really
quite used to that term,
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I'm old enough to
remember the communist
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countries railing
against the hegemon
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the U.S. The hegemon, the U.S.
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What's, what's hegemonic?
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It's the idea that
there is only one world view
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that's I
consisting with legitimacy.
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And, overbearing
normal Ethic view point.
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That's right, it's
overbearing, that's a
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good, I can't, that
are in that, anyway it's
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a clean you know,
insisting that there is
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only one way of
pursuing legitimate
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Education. And, in the
end to the affect would
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be to eliminate choice
of the students, I mean
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the students are there
because they're looking
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for curriculum presented
in the Biblical context.
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And, taken to this
limit do away with the
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distinct free
Christian education,
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what? It would do away
with the distinctive free
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Christian education
it would do away with
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exclusivity, rich
ties into the postmodernism
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mind again in
that world view that
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everything is relative.
And, you know, the edge
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that they've you
know, the way they're
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moving into the
conversation onto this
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territory that here to
for, has been by protected
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law and is that
well, it's infringing
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economic freedom of
the teachers, and therefore
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you're denying a proper
education to the students
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and it totally denies
that. This sounds like
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an academic view
point of really is, people
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heard about it more
in the 60s and may be
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the 70s, when there
was Marxism on campus
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and anti-establishment
view points being
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promoted by the
teachers and yet its kung-fu
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circle you said now,
being promoted by the
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government through,
it's educational entities in
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Canada. That's right,
there is an awful lot of
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pressure, when
you've an institution or
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organization rather
like CAUT, which represents
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65,000 teachers. What is it?
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nationwide, CAUT stands
for Canadian Association
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of University Teachers
and I'll just reiterate
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It's made up of
group of Unions and
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the unions are getting
very interested in social
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issues. I was
recently in a mediation for
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religious
exemptions from union and the
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union lawyer spoke
to me and he was trying
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to convince me
that unions are good and
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that they're for
the community good and
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one of the things he
said to me as he said,
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for example,
we're currently working
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with the churches
in Ontario for Sunday.
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And I thought.
Well, he doesn't realize
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you know, the
significance of what
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he is just said to
me, but it was hardly
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significant to me
that they're getting
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involved in social
issues and they're promoting
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themselves under a
banner of you know,
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We're here for
the community good.
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What do you guess is
there reason for being
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from the beginning
they've always said,
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that there is
advocates, but. Now, that's an
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interesting
introduction of a Sunday lower
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possibility, but I
wanted to ask the question
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about Canada. Canada I
think from my observation
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is more secular in
it's world views inside
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the culture in the
United States, but is
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it so secular, is
the cooperate mood in
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Canada, so away from
Christian values, and
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so secular in it's
attitude that it would
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Empower, enable
and be, really behind
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what we've just
been discussing or is it
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a group that if
hijacked this whether it's
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some legislators, or
unionists or whatever.
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They're running ahead
of society or it's a truly
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a broad based
antagonism or in difference to
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religion. Well, if
heard a one sent and
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I agree with this
statement, you put it
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this way or
conservative right politically
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speaking in Canada, a
still left of your left
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and that's why we're,
I think in comparatively
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speaking. If about
me what to joy and with
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the left wagon
Canada, he have been
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playground with the
Government is really,
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I should listen too
much for our breaking
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radio. Stay away.
But this is not question
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that in the United
States the present political
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regime is more
leftist doesn't mean there
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I laugh at it, you know, we're
an insight of the communist
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or whatever. But you're
saying that they're more left in
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in a progressive
liberal, more secular view point
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even though that
probably. That's correct,
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that's correct. You
know, that's problematic
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because often with
that comes a biased-based
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religion, isn't
it? That's correct
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and there is, I
mean influence there with
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respect to how
legislation is drafted
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there is an
influence you know, judges are
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appointed, but there
is committees that are
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chosen to a point
to judges and you know,
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they was looking
for a certain world view
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from these into the
joules. Let me ask you
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the question again,
is this indicative over
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broad spectrum of
Canadian society or
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in a lead or you
know, subset for the being
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pushing. So, it's
a good question and
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you know, Canada is
small relatively speaking we're
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30 million and
the United States just
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300 million, so we
just very smaller, I would
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say that are, I
think it's broad that is
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indicative over the
broad bace of Canadians
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and there is
concentrations of that
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ideology the
humanism and so on and the
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concentrations tend
to be an academia. Okay.
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And, they tend to be
in politics and they tend
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to be in those venues
where really important
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decisions were
made, and you know, human
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films and the
youth in our University,
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of course and so
you're preparing minds, there
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is a longitudinal
study that was done.
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Individuals say, they
went through university
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is about 20 years
and the results of that
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study, it's a
secular study, or that
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whatever university
you attended, if it was
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conservative with
this small sea or liberal
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in 20 years, he used
to have that stamp on
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you, you wrote
it that way and so
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there is a
tremendous influence there are.
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I'm sure, what are
effacing for that you
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gave me what I thought
was there, that was not
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necessarily a true
cross section that they were
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concentrations to
this people that are make
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it to difference and
my guess is, there is
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this schedule when
out then the blocks, it
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probably pretty
conservative that on
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the firm. You know, what, I
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think that most Canadians
are neutral, I think you
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do have these concentrations of
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socialist and
humanist, but I think the most
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Canadians are neutral
and I think there is a
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smaller group socialist
and humanist, but I think
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most Canadians are
neutral and I think
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there is a
smaller group that our
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conservative and then
a Christian and that's
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been my
experience. Right. Even not on
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the firms. Okay,
we live us. A little
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Still there is my point. Okay.
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In the United States
it's been my experience
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and I really don't want
to mess it up anyhow that
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even with these
post-modern progressive
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how we want to characterize the
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attitudes, which
are running in parallel
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to Canada, you
get out into circle
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middle America, a
fly over country or where
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we all at, and
peoples view points could be
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quite conservative
usually colored, if
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not by
spirituality, which is my baby
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certainly by a
religiosity or fiercely
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held religious
view point often rolling
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it to give of the
one it is to be in
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America, and I
think in many cases that
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baseline view
point is being ignored by
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the so called intellectually
that are living ahead
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for some of that
views on homosexuality
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for example, I
still think that in the
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United States is going
to reach a certain level
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with this massful
to say enough, we don't
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agree with this
and to wise up someone,
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but what the point I wanna bring
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respective and why
ask what Canada is?
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There is a very
problematic construct
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we were in the
democratic in the United States
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are representatives
system that in perfectly
00:24:04.18\00:24:07.17
works the will of the
people, but if in Canada
00:24:07.20\00:24:10.86
this broad
spectrum is truly have their
00:24:10.89\00:24:15.28
Voice heard, and in
the United States where
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they claim that
they want to voice of the
00:24:18.91\00:24:20.62
people, you could
have as the frames of our
00:24:20.65\00:24:22.63
constitution said, the
tragedy of the majority.
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Now, we're heading
toward majoritarian rule and
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is majoritarian rule
dangerous to religious
00:24:31.01\00:24:33.74
liberty. I think that you can't
00:24:33.77\00:24:35.58
avoid it, I with postmodern mind
00:24:35.61\00:24:40.26
that you must head
towards majoritarian
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rule and we see
it and systematically
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I think in movies,
in Print material, we
00:24:47.08\00:24:51.71
see it in politics, you
need to speak politically
00:24:51.74\00:24:56.29
correct, correctly
or you can be taken to
00:24:56.32\00:25:00.29
court. Yeah, many
hardcore religionists
00:25:00.32\00:25:04.00
are paranoid the other one world
00:25:04.03\00:25:05.54
government, the
new world older and so,
00:25:05.57\00:25:08.55
seems to be the new
world older is well, we
00:25:08.58\00:25:10.66
talking about and it's
the most pernicious, we're
00:25:10.69\00:25:12.71
going to be part of
it, is this group concerns
00:25:12.74\00:25:16.17
idea were you
can't operate out of the
00:25:16.20\00:25:19.16
norm of the broad
body of the people
00:25:19.19\00:25:21.62
or the, well it
was gonna good work,
00:25:21.65\00:25:25.28
the word for the
people and it is not been
00:25:25.31\00:25:28.42
un-necessarily the old,
I think that's a growing
00:25:28.45\00:25:35.98
thread to a
distinctive religious, right
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or we can even say to
a distinctive political
00:25:38.59\00:25:40.88
view point, but
religion is what, we're talking
00:25:40.91\00:25:42.74
about, were you can
be countdown by this
00:25:42.77\00:25:46.44
referendum that's
being take it and listens
00:25:46.47\00:25:50.71
all the times, if
the majority think this,
00:25:50.74\00:25:53.31
now day you're suffering.
That's very true and I
00:25:53.34\00:25:57.64
think that in
particular, there is a chilling
00:25:57.67\00:26:00.04
effect and pressure
on far leaders and so,
00:26:00.07\00:26:03.80
of course for a
example in BC, there was a
00:26:03.83\00:26:06.86
teacher he was
actually guidance counselor
00:26:06.89\00:26:09.84
and he wrote
letters to the editor or the
00:26:09.87\00:26:14.79
paper with respect
to you, the homosexual
00:26:14.82\00:26:16.88
lifestyle, as I get
scientific generals.
00:26:16.91\00:26:19.13
And, he got into
big, big trouble.
00:26:19.38\00:26:20.45
He was never write
to be around to use
00:26:20.48\00:26:22.50
again and this is
because he is consider to be a
00:26:22.53\00:26:25.53
thought leader. So,
the more that you're
00:26:25.56\00:26:27.70
considered to be
a leader in society,
00:26:27.73\00:26:30.88
a judge, a lawyer,
a teacher somebody,
00:26:30.91\00:26:33.48
who is influence in
minds and thoughts, the
00:26:33.51\00:26:36.23
moral pressures
for you to only speak
00:26:36.26\00:26:39.77
those things are
politically correct
00:26:39.80\00:26:41.66
and that you're not
allow to speak out of
00:26:41.69\00:26:43.79
your ideology.
This is a great concern.
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The Bible is very
plain, that God's people had
00:26:46.26\00:26:52.61
to teach their
children what they believe and
00:26:52.64\00:26:56.78
remind them of the
promises and the dealings
00:26:56.81\00:26:59.15
God's in the past.
That's truly the logic
00:26:59.18\00:27:02.64
behind Christian
education, it doesn't
00:27:02.67\00:27:05.80
make much sense
for a Church, for a
00:27:05.83\00:27:08.90
Christian or a
spiritual group to organize this
00:27:08.93\00:27:11.80
school and then
allow the teachers or
00:27:11.83\00:27:14.54
encourage the
teachers to teach something
00:27:14.57\00:27:16.71
of the reasons for
their faithful words,
00:27:16.74\00:27:19.72
something that contradicts the
00:27:19.75\00:27:21.88
particulars of
their faith. That's seems
00:27:21.91\00:27:24.75
sort of obvious and
it seems sort of obvious
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and I free
society one that respect
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religious
liberty that it allows a
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Church school to
do just that, that it
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places no
impediment in the way of people
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of faith, training young
people in the particulars
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of their faiths.
Unfortunately in Canada
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and other places,
we're saying doesn't
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innovations come up
that. Sometimes it's
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because money is
the being accepted of
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the time that is being because
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society no longer,
looks favorably up on
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faith. We must work
for a positive view and
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allowing of faith.
For liberty Insider
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this is Lincoln Steed.
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