Welcome to the Liberty Insider.
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This is the program
that brings you up to date
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news, views,
information and discussion on
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today's religious
liberty issues. My name is
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Lincoln Steed, Editor
of Liberty Magazine and
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my guest on the
program is Matt McMearty.
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Welcome Matt. Thank you Lincoln.
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I should tell our
viewers that you are not
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just someone that
I've worked with and
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known for quite a
few months now but you
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come to Religious
Liberty from a very
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distinguished
background. You've got a
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doctorate, isn't it
from, Masters, Masters from
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J.M. Dawson Institute
of Church-State Studies
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at Baylor
University. That's correct.
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This is run by the
Baptists and anyone that has
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read Liberty
Magazine knows that our view
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of separation of
church state from the
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Seventh-day Adventist
Church is very much in
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form by the Baptist
view on separation of
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church and state
and religious freedom.
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As well as that and I
think it's pertinent to
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what you and I can
discuss on this program
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and perhaps some
others. You've been
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legislative liaison for
the Seventh-day Adventist
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Church in
Sacramento for sometime.
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That's correct. What
I want to talk about in
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the little time
that we have on this one
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program, is a very
interesting document that
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some of our
viewers might know but many
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people in the secular
press, in the business
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establishment, in
fact, in over the entire
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world have
watched with interest,
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a document that
came out of Rome,
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not too long ago
called "Caritas In veritate".
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Or a Charity in
Truth. I was hoping you could
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translate from me,
yeah. Charity in truth.
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This is a papal
encyclical from Pope Benedict,
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the present Pope and
it's not unusual that the
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Pope comes out, well
encyclical is a little
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less common, but
there is all sorts of
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encyclicals and
pastoral letters and messages
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to the church one
after another that came
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out from the
papacy, but this one I think
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is a little different,
in fact, I wrote an article
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proposed the other
day where I probably
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an overreach, I said
that this is one of the
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most significant
papal documents since the
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papal bull that
condemned Luther and
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precipitated the
Protestant Reformation.
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What is this deal
with? I know you've really
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analyzed this is I
have at some length.
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Well, what this
encyclical does is it's more or
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less a reformulation
and partial restatement
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of a previous
situation that has changed and
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that is after the
Second Vatican Council with,
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you had
communism and capitalism,
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and the Cold War
going on and you had
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liberation
theology and the traditional
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approaches of the
church that all led into
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Second Vatican Council
and as that was written
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by Pope Paul VI,
Populorum Progressio,
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I think it is that
encyclical, the times have
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changed, and so
what we have is something
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going on that wasn't
really present in the late
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1960s, and early 70s
was a, but on the way to,
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of more integrated
globalization where the
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countries of the
world, nations of the world
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are becoming so more
integrated economically
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especially as well
as in another areas.
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This is, you are just
stating the fact as this
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document does
globalism is what we are
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experiencing, yes.
Modernization, the growth
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of technology and in
some ways the freeing up
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the societies from
old norms has created
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unstoppable sense of
global identity rather
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than the nationalism.
So the Pope was speaking
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to this, wasn't he?
Yes. This is, there is no
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question within
that context and more
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specifically he
wrote this in the aftermath
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of the economic
collapse of September 2008.
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Yes, and although
they came out just on the
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heels of it, it shows
that every signs that this
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was something that
was anticipated in some
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respect, because it's
so well thought out in
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terms of, its a
catholic systematic thought in
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terms of it's foundations
theologically and then
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as that it carries over into the
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social doctrine of the church.
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Now many of our
viewers I am sure are aware
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of this and have
probably gotten their
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information from
other websites, so perhaps
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television
programs, from somewhere else.
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I don't believe on
3ABN, that have just gone
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off half cocked and
made all sorts of assumptions
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and projection
perhaps not necessarily wrong
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but not necessarily
based on the document.
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I use the term sort
of native base responses,
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sort of reflects,
rejections of anything
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that Rome would say
because of its role in the
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Middle Ages and
resisting the reformation
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and so on. But on its
own merits, how would you
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discuss this document?
Is it in your face sort
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of the catholic
presentation? Is it putting
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out things that are
immediately threatening
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to the average
Christian or indeed anybody of
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goodwill around the
world? I think it's partly an
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appeal for dialogue and
it's does not necessarily
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have a dogmatic tone
although it still has
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nevertheless
tightened with the very
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conservative
catholic view in terms of it's
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theology. But
theology is not the real thrust
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of what it is that's
an underlying part of what
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the Pope is talking.
Yeah, you know, I spent
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a lot of time
analyzing this after I read the
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fund raising letter
from a group that I won't
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name. But a letter
came to my home and I
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thought wow, because
it was written all over
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the envelop just
wild and extreme and even
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well, super sensational
and provocative statements
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about this, and I
thought what does this
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documents says, so I
read it very carefully
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and in some cases I
think the statements were
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wrong at least so
far as the document.
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Like for example, that
particular letter as well
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as other comments
by people who have said
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that the Pope is
recommending globalism,
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pushing for globalist.
I would say he has had
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so much recommending it
as that it's inevitable.
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Right, that's what I
say, he states the fact
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and who can deny
that we are heading toward
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a global model and
in fact, I think as I
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remember he says
that you know we might not
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like it but this is
here, given that it's here,
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how do we relate to
it? And in that context he
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recommends
applying charity or love to
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Christian principle of
respect to love for your
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fellow beings, to apply
that through all the norms
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of society through
economics, through issues
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of sovereignty, issues
of society and culture.
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And that love even
begins with the individual,
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how they cultivate
their life, and their purpose
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for living, Pope Benedict
outlines this in various
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levels, how this
love starts to be with the
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individuals as well
as carry out in all the
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segments of society
and it's a very well
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thought out
document, yeah. It's to me,
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I will struck with a
little bit of how general it
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was, as it talked
about specific things that
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didn't get down too
specific because it's kind
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of laying out. It's a
paradigm or an approach
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of how the papacy
sees the future coming,
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and kind of court it,
little bit of courtship
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with the nations
of the world is to,
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you know that it has a
role to play, and if the
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nations continue as
they are, there is going to
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be trouble, I think
from a moral point of view
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as well. Yeah
moral and structurally,
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there is something
rotten up not just in the
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state of Denmark, but
in the state of world as
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it is. Yeah, you know,
you and I share certain
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irrational approach to
this even the Seventh-day
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Adventist with
the view of history,
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we can sort a look
through. We can see it's
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leading inexorably to
what Revelation speaks
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about whether there
will be a correlation of
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religious forces
to compel if speaks.
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If you don't mind I
like to make comment in
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defense of those who
have had this reaction
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that you've spoke
about earlier, to me the
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difficulty of the
reaction is that it makes it is,
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if its so immediate
that all the things that they
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are concerned
about, you know, could all
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happen within the
next year. You know,
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this is a document
where leaders throughout
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the world, they're
gonna sit up and they're
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gonna take note of it
but as to whether they're
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really gonna by into
it, to me it's gonna be
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something that they
will feel compel to do by
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future circumstances,
not something they would
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wish to do by choice,
right, voluntary choice in
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that respect. And
this is my take on things
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like the Sunday Law
and other developments,
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and these are things,
they are not going to be
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sprung by Trick of
Rhetorical or whatever,
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the movements
coming so inexorably and by
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common acclaim
people demand these sort of
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things, the
situation will demand it.
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Now there is no
mention of a Sunday Law in it,
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however in terms of
truth, it's the magisterium
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or the Vatican
seated in the Pope and it's
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authority that is the
one that kind of defines
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everything, and
that's what everything comes
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down to is that, the
Vatican is positioning
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itself as the one who
will mediate if things
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work out, it will be
the one who helps mediate
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this to for it's accomplishment,
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and therefore has an
integral role into how
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the world is to
be developed in a
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globalization sense.
Maybe I can, that's a big
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word that can use
for development. Maybe I
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can put it in another
way, the United States
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is often reminded
itself, made the comment was
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Winston Churchill or
someone said that the
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United States is
the essential nation.
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It's sort of a
necessary nation to save other
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people to defend freedom and so.
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I think the Pope
is determined to make
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himself an essential
element in the new model,
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and he has inserted
himself logically into the
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scenario, use the term
mediator, but you know,
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he is not always
asked to be the mediator
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automatically, but I
think if he is laid out
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frame work that
explains to leaders who more
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and more don't
know what's happening.
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He is in the position
to sort of steer them.
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Yeah, especially
when it comes into the
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comprehensiveness of
the approach to it in
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terms of the
individual, societal and world
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development. The
papacy, the word that I
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like that word
indispensable because
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when if people were
forced to realize that
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in this world you know
if we don't work together,
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we surely are going
to or hang together in
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terms of whether the
ecological system will
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collapse or you know,
it kind of world economy
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will collapse or
things like that these kind of
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things force people
to work together who
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normally would not
work together and it's
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driven by fear and
desperation. That's where
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this becomes
important when those kind of
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things happen in the
future, and if and when.
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I am reminded as we
are talking about this book
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that came out a
couple of decades ago by
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Malachi Martin, an
expert, self proclaimed expert
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on the Roman
Catholic Church and he laid
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out a model there
before the collapse of the
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Soviet Union, that the
Pope Rome was in a three
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way contest between
the western communism for
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world domination at
least of an etiology and
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he said, he is determined
to be the ruler of this
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new model. When we
come back we will discuss
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more this very
important encyclical and also
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explore some of
the ramification for
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Protestant
Christians and perhaps
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even specifically Adventist.
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One-hundred years, a
long time to do anything,
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much less publish a
magazine, but this year
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Liberty, the Seventh-
Day Adventist voice of
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religious freedom,
celebrates one hundred
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years of doing what
it does best, collecting,
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analyzing, and
reporting the ebb and flow of
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religious
expression around the world.
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Issue after issues,
Liberty has taken on the
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tough assignments,
tracking down threats to
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religious freedom
and exposing the work of
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the devil in every
corner of the globe.
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Governmental
interference, personal attacks,
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corporate assaults,
even religious freedom
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issues sequestered
within the church community
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itself have been
clearly and honestly exposed.
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Liberty exists for
one purpose, to help God's
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people maintain that
all important separation of
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Church and State,
while recognizing the dangers
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inherent in such a
struggle. During the past
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century, Liberty has
experienced challenges of
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its own, but it
remains on the job, thanks to
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the inspired
leadership of a long line of
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dedicated Adventist
Editors, three of whom
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Welcome back to Liberty Insider.
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This is Lincoln
Steed, Editor of Liberty
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Magazine. Before the
break we were talking
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about Caritas in
Veritate, the charity in truth.
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Or love in truth.
Sorry charity or love,
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you know the
statement from Paul,
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if I had not
charity, if I had not love.
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We were analyzing
this very important
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document that many
Christians not just
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Catholic have
read. Some Seventh-day
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Adventists have seen
in this clear intimations
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of fulfilling prophecy
and I don't question that
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whatsoever but I
think in this program we
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owe to the document
and to the situation we
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live to really analyze
little more deeply then
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just you know gut
reaction because this is
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a very thoughtful
document, isn't it? Yes,
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it's not an easy
read, it pages long 70 to 80
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pages long, it's very
dense in terms of what
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it is talking about
but yet there is somewhat
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profound simplicity
toward as well, and that
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is little beguiling.
Now I've got an interesting
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question you might
not even expected I will
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ask you. You know, I
told our viewers at the
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beginning that
you are graduated from
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Baylor University
Church State studies and
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for sometime you
worked for the Seventh-day
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Adventist Church as
a legislative liaison,
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and advocacy, that's
legislative liaison in
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Sacramento actually.
With that sort of the
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work how would you
look at this document?
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You were dealing
with civil servants,
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government
officials. They make statements
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like some of the
things that are in this
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document about how
the society should be
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ordered, how the
economy should be regulated?
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What's different
here in this document,
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then what you are
used to dealing with the
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legislative. Well,
when I was doing legislative
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advocacy it was in
state legislatures,
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five states in the
west, and which California
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and Sacramento was the main one.
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This document is
more focused on it,
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it's kind of above all
nations in terms of what
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it's talking about
while addressing matters
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within, that have to
do with the legislative
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affairs of nations
themselves and the social
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policies
especially and the underlying
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prepositions in
which nations seek to guide
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their societies and
mould and form their people.
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The challenge of
understanding this Charity
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in Truth is, the Pope
is trying to help the poor,
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that's a strong
emphasis, and that is.
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And I think it's
over and over again.
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It's an attempt to
help the poor and the
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danger we face and to
quickly reacting to this
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that we look at
someone who is making
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proposals in a
comprehensive sense on
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a level that is
above our pay grades so to
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speak, and so you
know ideal state matters
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then there is on the
federal level, there is
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our church has
legislative advocacy there.
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But also there is
international like the UN
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and things like
that, and so the papacy is
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addressing this on
a scale and if we take
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this kind of
provincial view as you said a
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nativist view from
just North American point of
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view, it's like pawn
trying to tell the queen or
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the king in a chess
game, you know, where it
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should place itself or
where those pieces should
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be rather than
the other way around.
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In a way you
have come to where I
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wanted you to be
for my question because
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the way you've
described that the Pope as
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he truly is speaking
in a supranational sense
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like he is the
authority above all authorities.
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He is recommending to
all dominions and systems,
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not just Christian
principles which we would
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agree with, all of his
principles of inculcating
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charity and love
and Christian models
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throughout issues of
sovereignty and economy
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and so, that's what
we should be pushing,
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but the fatal flaw
as I often say and here
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he is a spiritual
leader speaking also as a
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world leader, as a
civil leader, and on more
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than a technicality
on the structural and
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normally if you like
of the United Nations
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because of the
Vatican State status.
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He sits on the United
Nations, he speaks ahead
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of state and for
religious freedom we have
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always felt that is
a problematic model,
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so there is a little
bit of extra baggage when
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the Pope speaking
truth but speaks in this
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role as a civil
proponent. Yes, the interest,
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but one thing that
struck me in reading this
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is and it's something
I've notice in encyclicals
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and Vatican
communications, is the
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Vaticanis not
traditionally we would view the
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Vatican from the
time of the reformation as
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one that is seeking to
control every aspect of
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society in such a
way that it's a form of
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tenure where you
know, there is no absolutely
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no respect of any
rights or anything like that.
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And post-Vatican too,
that's not true of it.
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And there is a danger
of tearing in this but
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it's not what I would
call a traditional view of
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tearing in, here is
why, Lincoln, this document
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is seeking to
protect the rights of other
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religions, the
Vatican seeks to as he has
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mentioned to
defend other religions.
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It seeks to protect
the right of countries and
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there is a word that
is often used in academic
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circles that is also
used in Roman Catholic
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sense, subsidiarity
and this is a concept that
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allows each element
of society to maintain
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it's own rights,
to maintain it's own
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functions, and to
maintain those in relationship
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to the ones above
them and below them,
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and trying to keep
hese things all in a
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right relationship
with each other is what
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the Vatican is trying
to do but to base it on
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a principles of
love rather than on most
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modern view of self
interest. Yeah, and I
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hesitate to
recommend all our viewers to
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read it. It maybe
beyond their pay grade I
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assume. Oh for most
people it will be good
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bed time
reading. Bed time reading,
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that's what I mean it
might not a profitable
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read but it is
carefully crafted. It's very
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comprehensive and
by and enlarge as you
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read it you are
struck by giving credit to
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where credit is due.
It's a very comprehensive
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I think, well
intension effort to inculcate
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Christian values
through all these levels of
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concern in the
modern world. There is this
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poison pill of the
very status of Rome as a
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church state, then
two, and one observe I've
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got magazine here
'The New Public' that I
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often read. They
reviewed it and the reviewer
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there I think
pointed out something valid
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that if you really
pay attention to this
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document, Pope lays
out a wonderful scenario
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for world in trouble,
economic and social and
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indeed very
troubled issues even of
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sovereignty. He lays
out a good outline but
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his answer by
definition means that you have
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to accept the
Rome's terms. Rome is the,
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I said it before, the
necessary component and
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he question that
he says, like it is.
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How could be Rome
would be the glue.
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it means all the
pieces exactly, hold exactly
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together, and that
glue has to be in all the
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joints in order for it
to work together, yeah.
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Now something that
this review pointed out
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that something that
I've often gone on about
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perhaps even on this
program, and you need to
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be careful how you
express it in the North
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American United
States context because we are
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inclined to equate
capitalism and the way
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things operate
now, western democratic
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capitalistic system is
sort of synonymous with
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God and goodness,
and it may not be so.
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And the reviewer
pointed out underlying what
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this papal document
says, that Jesus in the
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New Testament seemed
disinterested in economic
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systems and laying
up wealth and so on,
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you know, harder
for rich man to get into
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heaven and the
camels through the eye of
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the needle which
was a little gate,
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but still pretty small
and how in Medieval times,
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a businessman and
Christian really were
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mutually exclusive.
There was some suspicion
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of someone who
tried to take advantage by
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barter and trade
and build up wealth,
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that was not
really the Christian way,
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way with Adam Smith
and the wealth of nations,
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and the whole
American experiment which
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really paralleled
very neatly western thought
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of economic thought
and development of goods
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and property rights
as appose to individual
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rights. We've come to
the stage in United States
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where we actually see
a positive virtue in the
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unrestrained free
market, and the Pope is
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turning his back on
that. As we have turn
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as a society, we
turn our back on the old
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Christian value and
now we see a virtue in
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derivative and so on,
that it suddenly beaten
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us and the Pope is
pointing out, virtue, love,
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Christian charity,
interrelationships are of
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odds with this
economic model that has so
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patently failed us.
Now the article had pointed
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out that you refer
to here that the Pope is
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offering a solution and
but so are other people,
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yes, you know
communism was an offered
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solution. Western
capitalism is an ongoing
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solution as long as
that shall last. Time has
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changed, circumstances
change, so the problem
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here is that, the
question is that in order
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to follow this it has a
price tag, and the price
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tag is you have to
accept this glue or the
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magisterium. Yes,
yes, and the magisterium
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is not a term mention
in that but anyone that
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follows recent
development of Catholic
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thought is they are
more and more unveiling
00:25:34.93\00:25:36.66
this reserved ultra
power and unquestioned
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authority of the
Catholic Church. So in many
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ways this document is
a question, hinges on a
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question of
authority. Yes, and the matter
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of authority is that
when there comes to be
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differences as to
what is suppose to happen
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in society, these
differences will be
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mediated or finalized
by the Vatican in terms
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of working out what
the, how each part of
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society is to work
together, whether it's
00:26:08.86\00:26:10.66
labor unions,
whether it's states in
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relationship to their
federal authorities or
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whatever and that all
of this comes with the
00:26:16.51\00:26:19.40
price tag is that
there is a freedom,
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but its freedom
within the bounds of
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the magisterium
how he defines it.
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When Jesus stood on
the mountain delivered
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the sermon of that
time, he was more than
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merely preaching a
sermon to an admiring
00:26:32.66\00:26:35.16
and interested
crowd. He was restating in
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kingdom terms, all of
the realities of their
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daily life, from religious
issues to civil issues.
00:26:41.17\00:26:44.31
It was a radical
sermon to change the way
00:26:44.86\00:26:48.65
they saw reality.
When Jesus had finished
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the Bible accounts
says that the common
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people heard it
completely because He spoke
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with authority. In
recent days, the Pope
00:26:57.17\00:27:01.42
of Rome has
delivered an encyclical that in
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many ways aims at
covering as broader ground
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as that sermon, it
restates in complicated
00:27:07.29\00:27:10.47
detail the principle
of life Christian charity
00:27:10.52\00:27:14.78
applied to the economy
to issues of sovereignty,
00:27:14.81\00:27:17.55
to issues of
culture, into the new global
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paradigm. But at
the end of that sermon,
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the question remains
on what authority is this,
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given because there
is one commentator who
00:27:28.80\00:27:30.74
said it really
depends on the common glue of
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Roman
Catholicism to make it work.
00:27:33.72\00:27:35.48
Malachi Martin
writing some years ago in
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keys of this flood
said, that the Pope of Rome
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was determined to be
the winner in the new
00:27:41.85\00:27:44.29
global paradigm shift
for control of the world.
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There is nothing
wrong with wanting to
00:27:49.24\00:27:50.35
project your country,
your political party or
00:27:50.36\00:27:53.51
your belief system
but we need to be aware
00:27:53.52\00:27:56.31
of what is being
presented and need to
00:27:56.83\00:27:59.15
accept an authority
with Christ, not man.
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For Liberty Insider
this is Lincoln Steed.
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