Hello, I'm Mike Browning.
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Welcome to Let God Speak.
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Today, we'll be
studying Daniel Chapter 11.
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This chapter records a
very challenging prophecy
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with a lot of detail.
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Today, we'll
highlight the main points
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and put this prophecy
into perspective for you.
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So open your Bibles
with us to Daniel Chapter 11.
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On our panel today,
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we have David Currie and
Colin Hein and, gentlemen,
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we are grateful that
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you came to share with us today.
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Before we open the Scripture,
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however, let us
join together in prayer.
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Father in heaven,
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today as we opened the Scripture
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and study its message,
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now Your Holy Spirit
direct and guide us please,
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we pray in Jesus' name.
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Amen. Amen.
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Now in our past programs,
folks, we've discovered
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an important principle
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when we study the
prophetic portions
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of the Bible like Daniel
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and Revelation and,
Colin, we've talked about this.
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It's a simple
principle of repetition
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and enlargement.
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You look at Daniel Chapter
2, you get some information,
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Daniel Chapter 7,
you get more information,
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and Daniel 8 even more
and so on and 11 have signs
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that's repeat and enlarge.
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Okay, so it's the same
run of history, basically,
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but with extra information
put in and that's very good.
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Let's look at
some examples of that
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'cause there are
plenty of examples in Daniel,
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a lot of this...
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Well, look, speaking
of this little horn power
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or this Antichrist
power in Daniel 7:25.
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You get a few verses
here, maybe four or five verses
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that speak
about this little horn
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or Antichrist power.
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Yeah.
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I got in Daniel 8,
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you've got
about eight references
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or eight verses
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that deal with the same thing,
particularly verses 24 and 25.
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Which is interesting, isn't it?
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So again, you've got
more information this time.
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And then when we
come to Daniel 11,
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which is the chapters
perhaps we're looking at today,
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which chapter incidentally
continues into Chapter 12,
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although we're only
dealing with Chapter 11 today,
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but there you've
got some 20 odd verses
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dealing with the
Antichrist power.
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So, in every chapter,
there's just more information,
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and it's definitely enlarged on.
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So thank you for that.
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There are other
consistent principles
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that help us to understand
the Book of Daniel, David, too.
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Yes, his prophecy
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seems to start with a timescale.
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For instance, this one starts
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with the
Medo-Persian Empire coming in,
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and it ends with the destruction
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of the Antichrist.
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So the same principle applies
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to several of
these chapters of Daniel.
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And it's just amazing
how Daniel is so consistent.
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And he starts and
each of those prophecy
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starts with the time in
which Daniel was living.
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And go through
to the end of time.
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It is interesting.
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So they all do that,
which is really helpful.
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Well, let's begin our
study of Daniel 11, people.
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The Angel Gabriel,
who speaks with Daniel in
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and that's
recorded in Chapter 10,
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now continues again
in Daniel 11:2 and 3.
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And I'd like to read 11:2 and 3,
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if you'd like to
join us in your Bibles,
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Daniel 11:2 and 3,
verse 1 simply says,
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"It was in the first
year of Darius the Mede,"
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Medes and the Persians
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had conquered
Babylon by this time,
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and Daniel had carried over
into the new administration.
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And verse 2 says,
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"Now I will tell
you the truth: Behold,
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three more kings
will arise in Persia,"
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this is Daniel in vision,
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"the fourth shall be
far richer than them all,
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by his strength
through his riches,
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he shall stir up all
against the realm of Greece.
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Then a mighty king shall arise
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who shall rule
with great dominion,
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and do according to His will."
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So what's the basic
message here, Colin?
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So it is, the angel's giving
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a history of events
of the kings of Persia,
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the future kings of Persia.
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And then he moves
quickly into the king of Greece,
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the first king of Greece,
which is Alexander the Great
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and historians have
looked back in history
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and will advise this.
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Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that.
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Yeah. It's very interesting.
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And then as we
go into Daniel 11,
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still in 11th
Chapter, 11:4 now, it says,
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"When he has arisen...
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This is the
first king of Greece.
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"When he has arisen, his
kingdom shall be broken up
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and divided toward
the four winds of heaven,
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but not among his posterity
nor according to His dominion
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with which he ruled,
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for his kingdom
shall be uprooted,
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even for others besides these."
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And the main point being
here, that when this king,
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the first king of
Persia, sorry, of Greece,
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let me make that clear,
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who was Alexander the
Great when he dies, it says,
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"The kingdom will be
divided up into four.
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This is really interesting.
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So summarize that for
us all, David, if you can?
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Yes, it's really a parallel
to Daniel 8, as we said before,
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there's
repetition that comes in.
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And Daniel 8 says,
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"Therefore the male
goat grew very great,
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but when it became strong,
the large horn was broken,
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and in place of it,
four notable ones came up
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toward the four
winds of heaven."
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So when you come back to
Daniel 11, you basically,
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you got this repetition coming.
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You can see the parenthesis.
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This is clearly talking
about Alexander the Great.
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It was the Great
General that led the Greece
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into such power at that time.
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Okay, thank you for that.
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Very good.
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And, of course, it gives
us a key to lock in there.
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Then moving on to Chapter 11,
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back to Chapter 11 now
in verse 5, it says this,
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"The king of the
South shall become strong."
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Now remember,
there were four divisions
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now in the Grecian
Empire and the one in the south
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shall become strong, as
well as one of his princes,
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and he shall gain power
over him and have dominion.
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His dominion shall
be a great dominion."
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In verse 6,
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"At the end of some
years they shall join forces,
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for the daughter of
the king of the South
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shall go to the
king of the North
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to make an agreement,
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but she shall not retain
the power of her authority."
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And so the main points are that
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we have a king of the
North being focused on,
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and the king of
the South as well.
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So who are these kings?
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So these two kings became
more powerful than the others,
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and you've got
following Alexander's death.
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And you've got
Seleucid, which is in Syria,
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which is the north part
of in relation to Israel.
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And you've got Ptolemy,
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which is Egypt in
the southern part of.
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So he's king of the North.
He's the king of the South.
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Yeah, okay. And I
thank you for that.
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Now, there's a lot of
historical detail here.
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And some people
reading will say,
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Well, why is all this?
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Why is there all
this historical detail?
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What relevance does it
have? David, what does it have?
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Well, you have the kings
in the North and the South.
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And there's a
counterplay and interplay here.
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And really, as the
meat in the sandwich,
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as we might say colloquially,
hearing draws people,
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and God's people are affected.
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Every time Daniel writes,
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he's really
writing about God's people
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and how they're
affected and so on.
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And this is certainly seen here.
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And the message is
that God knows their trials,
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and will guide them through.
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That's a great
message, isn't it at that time?
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And Daniel 11:14, it
says, "Now in those times,
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many shall rise up
against the king of the South.
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Also violent
men, some say robbers,
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of your people
shall exalt themselves
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in fulfillment of the
vision, but they shall fall."
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They'll come to their end.
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They're against God's people,
but they'll come to their end.
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Which is a wonderful reassurance
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for the people there in Israel,
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as you say the
meat in the sandwich
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is a good explanation for that.
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Okay, thanks for that.
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In addition to that, of course,
we see the sovereignty of God,
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His hand over the
movements of the nations
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which may appear to be
all totally independent
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of anything that
God might be doing.
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He says, "No, I
know what's going on."
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And that's very
important for the people of God.
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Okay, let's have
a look at Chapter 11
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still in verse 16, this time.
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Now, folks, we can't in the time
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that we have not
be able to go through
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every single
verse in this chapter,
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we're picking
the main points out,
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so that you get an
idea of where it's going.
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11:16, "He who comes against him
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shall do
according to his own will,
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no one shall stand against him.
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He shall stand
in the Glorious Land
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with destruction in his power."
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This is a fascinating statement.
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So what power are
we referring to here?
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Well, this is a clear transition
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from the Greek
kings to pagan Rome,
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which is the next empire.
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And again, you have to go
back to Daniel 2 and 7 and 8,
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where it talks about
who these powers are.
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And so Daniel 11
is just a repetition
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of the same
powers, which is now moving
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to the Greek
kings to pagan Rome,
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and the world
influence they have.
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All right. Now,
thank you for that.
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That's very important.
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And then I'm going to
slip down now to 11:20.
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The next point of
significance is that,
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"They shall
arise in his place one
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who imposes taxes on
the glorious kingdom,
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but within a few days
he shall be destroyed,
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but not in anger or in battle."
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That was
interesting too in Daniel.
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So, David, who is
this referring to?
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He just wants
to raise his taxes.
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This is one who imposes taxes
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which is
obviously Augustus Caesar.
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As Colin
mentioned, we move from one,
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the Greeks to the
pagan Roman Empire.
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And here is
Augustus, probably from about
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the 14th year after
Christ to the 37th year.
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And this was Caesar Augustus.
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It says, he died of
natural reasons there.
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He didn't die in battle,
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he didn't die in
some other place.
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And this is exactly how he died.
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This is one Caesar who
wasn't killed in battle
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or by subterfuge as
many have recognized.
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And this Caesar was the Caesar
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who created a census in taxes
at the time of Christ's birth.
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That gives us a
pretty good picture
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of just one, this is indeed.
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Yeah.
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And now that's true and,
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in fact, it's an
important key to help us to,
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if you like,
check on how we're going
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with our interpretation
of that prophecy because,
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as we all know, it
was because of the census
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for taxation purposes
that caused Mary and Joseph
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to travel that
night of Jesus' birth
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to Bethlehem from Nazareth.
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So it's very important.
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In fact, I'm just
going to briefly read that
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in Luke Chapter 2
and what verse is that?
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Verse 1... To 4.
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To 4, thank you.
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Luke 2:1-4, which says,
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"It came to pass in those
days that a decree went out
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from the Caesar Augustus,"
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we have already
mentioned his name,
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"that all the world
should be registered.
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This census first took place
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while Quirinius
was governing Syria.
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So all went to be registered,
everyone to his own city,
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and Quirinius, for Joseph
also went up from Galilee,
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out of the city of Nazareth,
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into Judea, to
the city of David,
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which is called Bethlehem."
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And that's, and on that night
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when they arrived,
Jesus birth took place.
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So this was a
very important thing.
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And again, it locks us
in, in our understanding,
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we realize we're on
the right track now,
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identifying pagan
Rome here with this power
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in Daniel Chapter 11.
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And this becomes more important
as we go on, as you'll see.
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Okay, now 11:21.
I want to read that.
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So going back to Daniel 11:21.
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After this is talking
about, after Caesar Augustus,
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"In his place, shall
arise a vile person,"
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it says, "to him, they will
not give the honor of royalty,
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but he shall come in peaceably
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and seize the
kingdom by intrigue."
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Now, this is interesting.
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So we need to try and identify
who is this vile person?
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Well, Augustus when
he died, he was succeeded
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by his adopted
son which is Tiberius
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and he was known to be
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eccentric and vile and he did it
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by intrigued the
way he came into.
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Yeah, looking at the
history of Rome and you say,
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the way he came to
power was by intrigue.
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Okay. All
right. Thanks for that.
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And moving on to the next verse,
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Daniel 11:22,
there's more information
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here we need to look at.
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"With the force of a
flood they shall be swept away
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from before him and be broken,
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and also the
prince of the covenant."
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Now, this is
very interesting here.
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David, who is this
prince of the covenant
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that we're referring to?
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This is
referring to Jesus Christ.
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And it's very interesting
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that this verse
should bring this out
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at this particular time
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because it was
during Nero's time
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that Jesus and
then later Paul died.
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And he was a vile
person, just as it says.
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Tiberius is the person
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we're talking
about here, not Nero.
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Well, I thank you for that.
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And just, I just notice
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also back here in 9:25.
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There's a reference to
Jesus as the prince here,
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and I think it's worth bearing
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that in mind and
touching on 9:25.
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"Know therefore and understand,
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that from the going
forth of the command
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to restore and build Jerusalem
until Messiah the Prince."
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And it gives a date
to look forward to that.
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Daniel 9:25 therefore
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becomes an
important connection here,
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because once again,
He's called the prince.
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What's plays in
it, where you have Rome
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who were the emperors,
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and then it brings
in the main character,
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which is Jesus the
Messiah in their time,
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which was at
the time of Tiberius
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when Jesus was crucified.
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Okay, okay. Thank you for that.
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Now, we're
still in Daniel 11:29,
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which says this,"
At the appointed time,
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he shall return and
go toward the south,
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but it shall not be like
the former or the latter."
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And we'll come
back to that comment,
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because that's an important one.
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And, Colin, who
we're talking about here?
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Well, following that repeat
and enlarge from, you know,
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Daniel Chapter 2, 7, 8 and 9,
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from Roman Empire or you have
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what's called the pagan Rome
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becomes religious,
and unites the state
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and becomes papal
phase or papal Rome.
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So it's not like the
former or the latter?
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It's not the former or latter,
but it's a continual watch,
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if you follow history
that was where the power
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that came out of
there which was papal Rome.
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We moved from
pagan Rome to papal Rome.
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All right, thank you for that.
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So what does
this power do, David?
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Well, it says it's in
enraged against God's covenant.
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And this is the
covenant that has come right
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from the time of
Adam right through
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and it tries to break that, why?
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Because it deals with salvation.
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And one thing that
the devil tries to do
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with these forces is to
come against the covenant
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that God made with His people
that there would be salvation,
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and that salvation is free.
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And then furthermore,
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he defiles the sanctuary
and takes away the daily.
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This goes back to Daniel 8,
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and the same power
doing the same thing,
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taking away the daily.
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And this is an attack
against Christ's ministry
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and the heavenly sanctuary.
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There's no way that Satan
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wants people to
rejoice in the sanctuary truth.
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No, it's the
central feature of our,
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of the faith in the Bible.
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I notice in verse
31, Chapter 11 and so.
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It talks about
taking away the daily,
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it says, "Forces
shall be mustered by him,
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they shall defile
the sanctuary fortress,
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then they shall take
away the daily sacrifices
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and place there the
abomination of desolation."
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So it's
definitely a religious power
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that we're talking about here...
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Yes, absolutely.
That does these things.
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And you've
mentioned Daniel 8:11,
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I just want to read that
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because it's very pertinent
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that we see the connection
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between these
various prophecies.
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Daniel 8:11 says, "He
even exalted himself,"
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same power that
we've been talking about,
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"exalted himself as high
as the prince of the host,
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and by him the daily
sacrifices were taken away
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and the place of His
sanctuary was cast down."
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And, of course,
it's in the sanctuary
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that God works for our salvation
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and the forgiveness of our sins.
00:16:06.16\00:16:08.16
And that's another
subject for another day.
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All right, moving on,
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we've come across an
interesting statement
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here in verse, 11:31,
00:16:15.17\00:16:17.94
the abomination of desolation.
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What do you
think about that title?
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It's an interesting one.
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Well, there's two
words there, isn't it?
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There's
abomination and desolation
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and usually what you
have is an abomination
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is followed by desolation.
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So when we think of abomination,
00:16:29.72\00:16:31.72
now, great
examples in Ezekiel 8:16,
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where God is saying,
00:16:34.86\00:16:36.73
"Listen, look at
these abominations
00:16:36.76\00:16:38.23
that My people are doing."
00:16:38.26\00:16:40.23
And He saves the worst a last.
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He says, "You know what
the worst abomination is?
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The worst abomination is that
they're worshipping the sun."
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They're worshipping the sun.
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He says, "That's the
worst, worst abomination."
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And so, when you look
back at Daniel 9:26 and 27,
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there is this, again,
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Jesus is
talking back in His day.
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He's referencing
back to Daniel Chapter 9
00:17:03.12\00:17:05.52
when He says
about the abomination
00:17:05.55\00:17:07.36
and He's talking
about when the nation,
00:17:07.39\00:17:09.72
Rome would surround
Israel or Jerusalem,
00:17:09.76\00:17:13.09
okay, with these armies.
00:17:13.13\00:17:14.76
And you can read that
in Matthew Chapter 24,
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also in Mark
13:14, and Luke 21:20.
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And He's saying, when
you see this abomination,
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and what was the abomination
here speaking about?"
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Well, the Rome had a
standard of an eagle.
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Now this eagle standard
00:17:29.48\00:17:30.81
was in honor of
the sun god Mithra,
00:17:30.85\00:17:32.78
okay, and it's a
God that Pompeii adopted
00:17:32.81\00:17:34.55
during the
military campaign in Asia.
00:17:34.58\00:17:36.12
So before that, they
had many different symbols,
00:17:36.15\00:17:38.19
but the eagle
was, and it had a...
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It was worshipping the sun so...
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Okay, it's interesting.
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And interesting down the
road, you have this same power
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that thinks to
change God's times and laws
00:17:47.16\00:17:49.43
and brings in sun day
worship, so the day of the sun.
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So you can see this play
00:17:53.57\00:17:54.90
of sun worship
playing right through.
00:17:54.94\00:17:56.67
From right through,
it's amazing, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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So this does have an
effect on God's people, David?
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Yes.
00:18:02.28\00:18:04.15
And 35 it says,
00:18:04.18\00:18:05.51
"Some of those
understanding shall fall."
00:18:05.55\00:18:07.92
And really when we go back
00:18:07.95\00:18:09.28
to Daniel 7:26 and 27,
00:18:09.32\00:18:14.66
you find this power
is really coming in,
00:18:14.69\00:18:17.89
persecuting God's people.
00:18:17.93\00:18:19.79
In verse 25,
00:18:19.83\00:18:21.16
"He shall speak pompous
words against the Most High,
00:18:21.20\00:18:23.10
shall persecute the
saints of the Most High
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and shall intend to
change times and laws,"
00:18:25.87\00:18:28.60
this which Colin
has been dealing with.
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And so this power certainly
going against God's people,
00:18:30.84\00:18:34.04
persecuting them.
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Yeah, yeah.
00:18:35.44\00:18:36.78
And finally, what
does this power do though?
00:18:36.81\00:18:38.18
Colin, this is important.
00:18:38.21\00:18:39.61
Well, he magnifies himself,
it says in Daniel 11:36.
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And then it's referring back to,
00:18:44.39\00:18:45.72
you compare to Daniel 7:23,
00:18:45.75\00:18:47.92
we were just
speaking about then.
00:18:47.96\00:18:49.62
And when you read
that in Daniel 7:23,
00:18:49.66\00:18:52.96
it says, first thing,
00:18:52.99\00:18:54.33
"He speaks pompous
words against the Most High."
00:18:54.36\00:18:56.00
So much blasphemy,
00:18:56.03\00:18:57.43
and blasphemy is the
ability to forgive sins,
00:18:57.47\00:19:00.20
to say that your
God is blasphemy.
00:19:00.24\00:19:02.44
And so this power
would say, he's God on earth.
00:19:02.47\00:19:04.41
He can forgive sins.
00:19:04.44\00:19:06.07
It says, he will
change God's laws
00:19:06.11\00:19:07.68
and we know they
change from the Sabbath
00:19:07.71\00:19:10.21
from Saturday to Sunday in
honor of worship of sun god.
00:19:10.25\00:19:14.52
So you have all these things
happening that he would do.
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Okay. Thank you.
00:19:18.49\00:19:20.26
All right.
00:19:20.29\00:19:21.89
And this papal phase of Rome,
00:19:21.92\00:19:26.33
how long would it last, David,
00:19:26.36\00:19:27.73
because this is a
significant point?
00:19:27.76\00:19:29.10
I think, a good answer that
comes back from Daniel 7:26-27.
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"But the court shall be seated,
00:19:32.73\00:19:35.00
and they shall
take away his dominion,
00:19:35.04\00:19:37.07
to consume and
destroy it forever.
00:19:37.11\00:19:40.21
Then the kingdom and dominion,
00:19:40.24\00:19:41.61
and the
greatness of the kingdoms
00:19:41.64\00:19:43.01
under the whole heaven,
00:19:43.04\00:19:44.68
shall be given to the people,
the saints of the Most High.
00:19:44.71\00:19:48.68
His kingdom is an
everlasting kingdom,
00:19:48.72\00:19:50.45
and all dominions
shall serve and obey Him."
00:19:50.49\00:19:52.92
What a wonderful
time this is going to be
00:19:52.95\00:19:54.99
when all this is
wrapped up and God's people
00:19:55.02\00:19:57.43
are not persecuted anymore.
00:19:57.46\00:19:59.19
Yeah, that'll be fantastic.
00:19:59.23\00:20:00.93
Now look, moving on here
00:20:00.96\00:20:02.30
now that Daniel
uses an expression
00:20:02.33\00:20:04.63
in his book a number of times,
00:20:04.67\00:20:06.23
which doesn't occur
anywhere else in the Scripture.
00:20:06.27\00:20:08.80
And I just want to refer
00:20:08.84\00:20:10.17
to Daniel 11:35,
00:20:10.21\00:20:15.08
which says, "Some of those
of understanding shall fall,
00:20:15.11\00:20:18.15
to refine them,
purify them, make them white,
00:20:18.18\00:20:21.48
until the time of the end."
00:20:21.52\00:20:23.02
So I'm focusing
on this expression,
00:20:23.05\00:20:24.65
the time at the end.
00:20:24.69\00:20:26.02
It occurs in Chapter 12 as well.
00:20:26.05\00:20:27.59
So what is the time of the end?
00:20:27.62\00:20:29.59
Colin, you've
done some work on this?
00:20:29.62\00:20:30.96
Yes.
00:20:30.99\00:20:32.33
So again, when
you're talking about
00:20:32.36\00:20:33.93
the future
glory of God's people,
00:20:33.96\00:20:35.56
before that though,
00:20:35.60\00:20:36.93
it says that for a time times
00:20:36.97\00:20:40.24
and half a time, Daniel 7:25,
00:20:40.27\00:20:42.97
this is how long this power has,
00:20:43.00\00:20:45.47
for time, times and half a time,
00:20:45.51\00:20:46.84
which is 1,260 days
or in Revelation refers
00:20:46.88\00:20:50.35
that many times 42
months, three and a half years,
00:20:50.38\00:20:52.65
times and times and half.
00:20:52.68\00:20:54.02
So this is a time
that he would rule,
00:20:54.05\00:20:55.38
and from that time on
is the time of the end
00:20:55.42\00:20:58.15
until Jesus' Second Coming.
00:20:58.19\00:21:00.16
Okay. Yeah, good.
00:21:00.19\00:21:01.52
Thanks for that. So
the time of the end.
00:21:01.56\00:21:04.19
Now, moving on to
another point here,
00:21:04.23\00:21:06.43
there are two
major players as we come
00:21:06.46\00:21:08.26
towards the
conclusion of this prophecy,
00:21:08.30\00:21:11.17
the king of the North
and the king of the South.
00:21:11.20\00:21:13.97
So, David, can
you summarize for us,
00:21:14.00\00:21:15.87
first of all, who
the king of the North is?
00:21:15.90\00:21:18.34
Yes, the king of
North encompasses
00:21:18.37\00:21:19.97
many powers as
history passes through.
00:21:20.01\00:21:22.44
These chapters takes
through many centuries of time.
00:21:22.48\00:21:26.21
And the king of the North
really would in the first place
00:21:26.25\00:21:30.12
taken the
northern Seleucid Kingdom,
00:21:30.15\00:21:32.42
which when Alexander died,
and then four kingdoms came,
00:21:32.45\00:21:35.92
the North was
the Seleucid Kingdom.
00:21:35.96\00:21:39.03
And then it comes to pagan Rome,
00:21:39.06\00:21:41.30
then to papal Rome,
as we've already seen
00:21:41.33\00:21:43.20
in this particular chapter.
00:21:43.23\00:21:44.77
And to the final confederacy
in Revelation called Babylon.
00:21:44.80\00:21:49.00
And Babylon is dealt with by
John in Revelation quite a lot.
00:21:49.04\00:21:52.14
So here's the king of the North.
00:21:52.17\00:21:53.68
Okay, so they're operating
by the same principles.
00:21:53.71\00:21:56.78
It goes through
time through centuries
00:21:56.81\00:21:58.75
of time as the
kings of the North.
00:21:58.78\00:22:00.52
But they're handing the baton
00:22:00.55\00:22:01.88
on to the next
king of the North.
00:22:01.92\00:22:03.25
It does look. That
is what's going on.
00:22:03.28\00:22:04.62
Yeah, true.
00:22:04.65\00:22:05.99
To do, but always to do
with God's people, isn't it?
00:22:06.02\00:22:07.36
As the meat in the
sandwich or as their attacks.
00:22:07.39\00:22:10.53
What about the
king of the South?
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Well, the same thing
with the king of the South.
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We had the four
divisions of Greek Empire,
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you had the southern
Ptolemaic tenancy in Egypt,
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okay, so he took over Egypt
that was the king of the South.
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And finally,
peace in the meantime,
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this is in 1798.
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So who was pushing
against papal Rome around 1798?
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Was France, and
it had the secularism
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and also atheism.
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And eventually it
moves into global powers,
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who represent
the king of the south
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who are representing
atheism and secularism.
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And they're pushing against
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the king of the
North, this papal,
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these religious powers,
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there's a struggle
going back and forth.
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And the interesting thing
is that the king of the North
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is going to overpower
the king of the South.
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In the end. That's true.
Okay, it's really interesting.
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So that the king of
the north, ultimately,
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until you get to
11:45, of course,
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where the king of the North
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also makes his
waterloo as it were,
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and that's when
God's kingdom comes in.
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Okay, look, that's
really good things.
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Sounds like it's
complicated, folks,
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but there are
simple powers at work here.
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And the principles that
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they're operating
by, we can follow.
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Okay, lastly I'd like to
consider thing, this thing,
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the king of the North,
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as we've seen as
the papal Roman phase,
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attacks the
glorious holy mountain
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in that last verse
of Chapter 11, verse 45.
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And it says, "He
shall plant the tents
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of his palace between the seas,
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and the glorious holy mountain,
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yet he shall come to his
end, and no one will help him."
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So this is where
he comes to his end,
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the king of the North that is.
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So this glorious
holy mountain here, David,
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we probably should
identify who that is?
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Yes.
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I think it's very clear too,
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that this in the Old
Testament was Jerusalem.
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And when you come to
the New Testament times,
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there's believers
throughout the whole earth,
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those who accepted
Christ as their Savior.
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And it's a
symbolic representation
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of God's people everywhere.
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And Revelation
gives more detail of this,
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particularly in
Revelation 13 and 19,
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where it says that this power
will finally come to its end
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and none shall help it.
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All the way through 11
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we've seen God's
people being attacked,
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being persecuted,
as I said earlier,
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the meat in the
sandwich as it were
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between the North
and the South kings.
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But now, God raises up
these people to the fact
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that this power
will come to its end,
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and none shall help him.
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Yes, and we have the
beautiful kingdom of God
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following that.
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Now Chapter 12
actually continues this vision,
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which we won't have
time to deal with today,
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but we're going to deal
with it in our next program.
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So keep watching, folks,
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and you'll be able
to pick up on that.
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Now look, we want to
show you now there's,
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if we can have that chart
on the screen for the moment.
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This is a chart
showing us the parallel
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between Chapter
2 Daniel Chapter 7,
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and Chapter 8, and
9, and now Chapter 11.
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So you can see how
these follow through.
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Once again, you have repetition,
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and enlargement
of the information
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and the picture
that God is giving us.
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We started off with Babylon
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being identified
in Daniel Chapter 2
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and Daniel Chapter 7,
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under the symbol
of gold in Chapter 2
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and a lion in Chapter 7.
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Then we came
down to further down,
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where we see Persia identified
in Chapters 2, 7, 8, and 9,
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and Daniel Chapter 11.
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It's actually named
Persia in Daniel 11 as we see,
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which confirms the position
00:25:39.00\00:25:40.47
we've been taking
with their interpretation.
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Then moving to
the identification
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of Greece, the Grecian Empire,
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symbolized by
bronze in Chapter 2, 11,
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in Chapter 7 and finally a goat,
00:25:51.68\00:25:55.55
and then Greece.
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So moving right along quickly
to Rome, pagan Rome, folks,
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which was a dreadful
beast, a little horn.
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You'll notice
in Chapter 8 and 9,
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the death of Messiah is
raised also in Chapter 11.
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And then the next phase
of this power was papal Rome,
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where you had it
symbolized in Chapter 7
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by a little horn,
who spoke pompous words,
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and have an introduction
of the God's judgment here.
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Chapter 8, the little horn,
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once again is the
symbol that's used,
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the daily is taken away
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and the cleansing of
the sanctuary corresponds
00:26:28.82\00:26:30.59
with the judgment of Chapter 7.
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And then Chapter 11
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also talks about the
daily being taken away.
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And finally, and
this is the best part,
00:26:37.33\00:26:39.56
God's kingdom,
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where you have
represented by a stone,
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first of all, then
plain stated in Chapter 7,
00:26:43.03\00:26:46.30
that the kingdom is to
be given to the saints.
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And then in Chapter 8 and 9,
the little horn is destroyed.
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And in Chapter 11,
00:26:52.84\00:26:54.68
the king of the
North is defeated.
00:26:54.71\00:26:56.34
And if we were to go on
to Chapter 12, of course,
00:26:56.38\00:26:58.71
there is the introduction
00:26:58.75\00:27:00.08
of God's kingdom in more detail.
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And again, that'll be
dealt within our next program.
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So thank you for
being with us today
00:27:05.22\00:27:06.65
as we've studied
this amazing chapter,
00:27:06.69\00:27:08.59
picking out the eyes of it.
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And I hope this
has been helpful.
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The final struggle
between God's people
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and the king of the
North will require a faith
00:27:14.23\00:27:16.63
that can stand
tall, even if alone.
00:27:16.67\00:27:19.83
And being faithful
today in the small struggles
00:27:19.87\00:27:22.17
of life strengthens our resolve,
00:27:22.20\00:27:24.74
and it prepares us
to face the big issues.
00:27:24.77\00:27:27.64
Only the
personal presence of God
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will sustain us in that time.
00:27:29.41\00:27:32.25
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00:27:40.02\00:27:42.32
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