The power of choice is a precious gift 00:00:01.36\00:00:03.87 But with each choice, there are consequences. 00:00:03.90\00:00:06.87 Abortion nearly destroyed me and my marriage. 00:00:06.90\00:00:11.47 and it took God more than 35 years to prepare my heart 00:00:11.51\00:00:15.21 for healing. 00:00:15.24\00:00:16.58 I want to welcome you to Life After Choice. 00:00:16.61\00:00:19.11 Hi, I'm David Wagner. 00:00:35.50\00:00:37.13 There's some of my story I am more than reluctant to share, 00:00:37.17\00:00:42.07 in fact I loathe sharing it. 00:00:42.10\00:00:43.57 In fact, some of it I haven't even shared with my wife. 00:00:43.61\00:00:46.68 But if it could have any meaning for but one person 00:00:46.71\00:00:51.51 so that they wouldn't have to go through what I did 00:00:51.55\00:00:54.35 or perhaps have some of the stamina that I did, 00:00:54.38\00:00:57.95 then it would be worth it to me. 00:00:57.99\00:00:59.32 Many years ago in southern California, 00:00:59.35\00:01:02.62 I met a beautiful young lady, she was 18 years old, 00:01:02.66\00:01:06.33 southern, very charming and we just hit it off. 00:01:06.36\00:01:10.47 It was 1975 and I only knew her for about 6 months 00:01:10.50\00:01:14.54 before her family got divorced, they split up 00:01:14.57\00:01:18.87 and Diane, she went back to the southeast. 00:01:18.91\00:01:23.65 Little did I know but she was going to be the mother 00:01:23.68\00:01:27.62 of my children. 00:01:27.65\00:01:29.48 We soon became good friends and made many wonderful 00:01:29.52\00:01:32.55 memories. But we wouldn't meet again for 5 years. 00:01:32.59\00:01:38.89 Time flew by, we both finished our education 00:01:38.93\00:01:43.57 and began our careers. She met many fine gentleman 00:01:43.60\00:01:48.37 and had many meaningful relationships, 00:01:48.40\00:01:50.31 in fact she had 3 suitors that she was interested in 00:01:50.34\00:01:53.11 and 3 of them proposed to her. 00:01:53.14\00:01:56.64 She actually accepted one of the engagements. 00:01:56.68\00:01:59.58 But the night before she was to meet this gentleman, 00:01:59.61\00:02:04.45 she was so distraught, in fact she was crying tears, 00:02:04.49\00:02:08.89 remember it had been 5 years since she had seen me. 00:02:08.92\00:02:11.89 She just told her mom, she says, I know that if I follow 00:02:11.93\00:02:14.86 through this, if I marry this guy, 00:02:14.90\00:02:16.33 I'll never see Dave Wagner again. 00:02:16.36\00:02:19.70 She was so convinced that I was the man. 00:02:19.73\00:02:22.27 Anyway the next day came, she went out to dinner, 00:02:22.30\00:02:24.94 she accepted the ring but she was still very sick 00:02:24.97\00:02:27.28 and that engagement was only going to last a couple of days. 00:02:27.31\00:02:30.15 She eventually called him back and said she just couldn't do it 00:02:30.18\00:02:33.88 and she gave him his ring back. 00:02:33.92\00:02:35.25 Well she missed work for 3 days and finally when she had 00:02:35.28\00:02:38.35 enough energy to go back to work, 00:02:38.39\00:02:39.79 that's when I entered the picture. 00:02:39.82\00:02:41.66 Meanwhile at this very time back in Southern California, 00:02:41.69\00:02:45.93 I was sitting in my living room and I was reminiscing 00:02:45.96\00:02:49.86 and I decided to rummage through a file cabinet and pull out a 00:02:49.90\00:02:52.67 letter that Diane had written me years before. 00:02:52.70\00:02:55.87 I found the letter and thought I would give her a call. 00:02:55.90\00:02:59.24 So, I wasn't sure where she was at but I took a guess 00:02:59.27\00:03:04.48 that Orlando would be a good shot and within minutes I was 00:03:04.51\00:03:06.82 speaking with her mother. 00:03:06.85\00:03:08.18 You can imagine what her mother was going through 00:03:08.22\00:03:11.75 when she heard me answer the phone. 00:03:11.79\00:03:14.46 Um, she had just seen her daughter fall apart and 00:03:14.49\00:03:19.69 have this terrible break up and then Dave Wagner calls. 00:03:19.73\00:03:22.53 I mean that is so weird to me. 00:03:22.56\00:03:24.13 But I introduced myself and asked the question, 00:03:24.17\00:03:28.50 is Diane married? 00:03:28.54\00:03:30.37 Speak about cutting to the chase. I am amazed that I had 00:03:30.41\00:03:34.61 that kind of guts. But anyway she said, she was able to say, 00:03:34.64\00:03:38.31 no, she's not married but she is at work, 00:03:38.35\00:03:41.95 and she would like...if you want to call back in a 00:03:41.98\00:03:43.49 couple of hours, she will be home. 00:03:43.52\00:03:45.02 So when Diane returned from work, her mother met her 00:03:45.05\00:03:48.26 at the door and she said, Diane, sit down. 00:03:48.29\00:03:51.39 David Wagner called. 00:03:51.43\00:03:54.16 It's hard for me to imagine the energy in the room 00:03:54.20\00:03:58.60 at that time. 00:03:58.63\00:03:59.97 But within a few minutes I called back and we had a 00:04:00.00\00:04:03.77 very casual exchange and we decided that we were going to 00:04:03.81\00:04:07.64 correspond long distance. 00:04:07.68\00:04:09.01 So we did, we corresponded for about a year. 00:04:09.04\00:04:15.68 At this time she was a traveling nurse and she made a contract 00:04:15.72\00:04:20.06 with a hospital in Hawaii. It was for 3 months 00:04:20.09\00:04:24.59 and she was finished with that 3 month stent. 00:04:24.63\00:04:27.13 She was going to travel through LAX on the way home. 00:04:27.16\00:04:33.47 So she called the airline and she extended it for a few hours 00:04:33.50\00:04:37.54 so that I could meet with her. 00:04:37.57\00:04:38.91 Because she always knew that if she met me one more time, 00:04:38.94\00:04:42.41 she would tell her mother this, if she would meet me one more 00:04:42.44\00:04:44.41 time, then she would know if I was the man God had in mind 00:04:44.45\00:04:47.72 for her to marry. 00:04:47.75\00:04:49.08 Well, so we met at LAX, I picked her up, 00:04:49.12\00:04:53.09 I remember that moment like it was yesterday. 00:04:53.12\00:04:56.12 Pretty intense and one of those beautiful memories 00:04:56.16\00:05:00.40 but anyway, I picked her up and it was a very casual, 00:05:00.43\00:05:02.36 very generic experience. 00:05:02.40\00:05:03.73 Went out to dinner, talked, drove around and I remember, 00:05:03.77\00:05:06.20 I was tired and I let her drive. To this very day I have 00:05:06.23\00:05:11.17 this image in my mind of her profile. 00:05:11.21\00:05:13.81 She was wearing glasses and anyways, very endearing. 00:05:13.84\00:05:16.81 But like I said, it was casual and generic and I took her 00:05:16.85\00:05:20.42 to the airport and she flew back home. 00:05:20.45\00:05:21.92 But, with the kind of spiritual discernment that this woman had, 00:05:21.95\00:05:26.72 it wasn't long before she had made a trip down to 00:05:26.76\00:05:29.86 David's Bridal and you can guess what she was doing there. 00:05:29.89\00:05:33.66 That's right. She bought a wedding dress. 00:05:33.70\00:05:35.56 I didn't find out about that wedding dress until 00:05:35.60\00:05:38.37 several months later when I finally proposed. 00:05:38.40\00:05:40.90 So now that we had a commitment, she made a contract at the 00:05:40.94\00:05:46.47 hospital in Seal Beach, CA. 00:05:46.51\00:05:48.84 That's about a little over an hour from where I lived. 00:05:48.88\00:05:51.75 So it was good that we could see each other more often 00:05:51.78\00:05:56.25 especially at this stage. 00:05:56.28\00:05:57.69 Yet on the other hand, it wasn't so good 00:05:57.72\00:06:01.12 because our relationships, perhaps with God was just 00:06:01.16\00:06:05.59 a little upside down. 00:06:05.63\00:06:06.96 I say that because one day I got a call and it was Diane, 00:06:07.00\00:06:13.37 my fiancé, and she said she was pregnant. 00:06:13.40\00:06:16.60 Part of me wanted to get excited because there was nothing more 00:06:16.64\00:06:20.24 that I wanted to do than have a child with her and start 00:06:20.28\00:06:22.78 a family. I adored her, I didn't just love her, 00:06:22.81\00:06:26.88 I adored her in a way that is not right. 00:06:26.92\00:06:30.29 I put her before God. 00:06:30.32\00:06:32.05 I know that Adam had the same problem and 00:06:32.09\00:06:35.79 we know where that ended up. 00:06:35.82\00:06:37.36 But either way, she was in a quandary on how to deal with 00:06:37.39\00:06:41.90 this issue because in applying for that job, 00:06:41.93\00:06:45.80 they needed to do some medical examinations that required 00:06:45.83\00:06:48.27 x- rays of her back. So she was exposed to a lot of x-rays 00:06:48.30\00:06:52.77 and she was afraid that her baby would be damaged. 00:06:52.81\00:06:55.34 Plus, something I never under- stood, she said she was afraid 00:06:55.38\00:07:00.65 of motherhood, she didn't know if she would be a good mother. 00:07:00.68\00:07:03.55 The crazy thing is she is an awesome mother and her children 00:07:03.59\00:07:08.26 love her, but that's the way she felt at the time. 00:07:08.29\00:07:10.33 So any way through fear and misguided counsel, 00:07:10.36\00:07:14.70 all the physicians she talked to said, you better abort. 00:07:14.73\00:07:17.43 That baby could be damaged. 00:07:17.47\00:07:19.40 She decided to terminate the pregnancy. 00:07:19.43\00:07:21.74 I wish that I was able to help her but, I had no idea 00:07:21.77\00:07:26.74 other than just to do, to be a support to her in 00:07:26.78\00:07:32.91 whatever way that she chose. 00:07:32.95\00:07:34.62 So this is why I call it my wife's lonely... 00:07:34.65\00:07:45.76 It was her lonely decision to decide to go through 00:07:54.64\00:08:07.38 with an abortion. 00:08:07.42\00:08:13.66 Anyway, whatever the case, it did a lot of damage 00:08:13.69\00:08:18.39 to both of us. Well all of a sudden, she hated me. 00:08:18.43\00:08:26.60 Well we had many wonderful times together, 00:08:26.63\00:08:33.11 but at the flip of a switch, she would turn on me 00:08:33.14\00:08:37.18 with a hatred that I've never seen in person. 00:08:37.21\00:08:46.49 She would say thing to me that seemed to be calculated 00:08:46.52\00:08:52.39 or designed to destroy a man's self-esteem, his self-worth, 00:08:52.43\00:09:00.00 his courage. You know it's interesting... 00:09:00.04\00:09:05.34 My emotion here is... My family knows that I am not 00:09:07.08\00:09:15.55 a crier, but my emotion is not because of what she said or did 00:09:15.58\00:09:19.99 to me, it's because she was alone. 00:09:20.02\00:09:30.37 Anyway, I had plenty of problems of my own, 00:09:33.13\00:09:35.17 I was never malicious, I had plenty of problems 00:09:35.20\00:09:39.41 and even though I wasn't malicious, they added fuel 00:09:39.44\00:09:44.11 to the fires of estrangement. 00:09:44.15\00:09:45.58 You know, I wasn't sure what all my wife was going through, 00:09:45.61\00:09:49.82 I just knew that everything was broken 00:09:49.85\00:09:51.65 but my focus was really on myself. 00:09:51.69\00:09:56.16 I knew I had to have healing, I was not satisfied just 00:09:56.19\00:09:59.36 partially loving her or struggling to have some 00:09:59.39\00:10:03.70 semblance of a healthy marriage. 00:10:03.73\00:10:05.23 Everything Jesus did was real and deep, He never did anything 00:10:05.27\00:10:09.67 half baked. He never did anything out of mere duty 00:10:09.70\00:10:12.47 of principle. I mean, who wants to be loved out of 00:10:12.51\00:10:14.84 the mere duty of it? 00:10:14.88\00:10:16.21 You know, that's not even love. 00:10:16.24\00:10:17.58 So I struggled in my own mind and heart for years 00:10:17.61\00:10:21.82 to figure out to love her the way Jesus did 00:10:21.85\00:10:24.49 and pray for it and then one day it was 2011 I believe 00:10:24.52\00:10:29.12 we went to GYC and they had these exhibits with a lot of the 00:10:29.16\00:10:35.86 booths with people advertising different ministries 00:10:35.90\00:10:39.73 and Antoinette Duck had a a ministry called MAFGIA 00:10:39.77\00:10:44.17 and it had the little baby feet you know. 00:10:44.21\00:10:47.44 Ten weeks in utero and other things that help to present 00:10:47.48\00:10:54.15 the issue of the sanctity of human life. 00:10:54.18\00:10:58.02 My wife saw that and it moved her. 00:10:58.05\00:11:03.89 We'd go to other booths, she'd come back, 00:11:03.93\00:11:11.17 she kept coming back. Something was going on. 00:11:11.20\00:11:18.24 Then she started communication with Antoinette 00:11:18.27\00:11:25.75 and then she went to a women's retreat about post-abortion 00:11:25.78\00:11:29.58 recovery. I mean this is years after this and she's still, 00:11:29.62\00:11:33.36 it's like she's living it... 00:11:33.39\00:11:35.09 So our healing began at that time because in my own struggles 00:11:35.12\00:11:45.20 I was trying to figure out how, in different ways 00:11:45.23\00:11:49.50 to love her. One of my favorite activities was to look at 00:11:49.54\00:11:52.51 my children, I'd stare at them and they are so precious to me.. 00:11:52.54\00:11:57.65 In my mind, I would give her credit for that, 00:11:57.68\00:12:00.18 I would give her credit for her part in giving me 00:12:00.22\00:12:03.45 such beautiful gifts. 00:12:03.49\00:12:04.82 Then one of my favorite things is to look at a wedding picture 00:12:04.85\00:12:07.89 of her, she looking in the eyes of her mother 00:12:07.92\00:12:10.16 and I see this young beautiful girl that's so filled with 00:12:10.19\00:12:14.63 hope for a bright fulfilling future and I started having 00:12:14.66\00:12:18.63 feelings of protectiveness, feelings that made 00:12:18.67\00:12:21.94 me want to give her those things. 00:12:21.97\00:12:25.14 So that became a part of my devotional life 00:12:25.17\00:12:27.84 and part of my prayer life. 00:12:27.91\00:12:29.61 So through these struggles, I found myself actually 00:12:29.64\00:12:38.12 falling in love with her in a way that I hadn't even 00:12:38.15\00:12:41.59 experienced before. 00:12:41.62\00:12:42.96 It was richer, it was more mature, it was more 00:12:42.99\00:12:46.93 unconditional and now when she gets a little out of hand, 00:12:46.96\00:12:51.27 it's like, it's not that big a deal. 00:12:51.30\00:12:53.64 I see her getting more involved in sharing her testimony 00:12:53.67\00:12:59.24 and being part of MAFGIA and traveling literally 00:12:59.27\00:13:04.98 across international borders. 00:13:05.01\00:13:07.12 I've seen some changes in her that is astounding, 00:13:07.15\00:13:11.79 but I can't help go back to appreciating the kind of God 00:13:11.82\00:13:17.86 that we have that can take utter brokenness and turn it 00:13:17.89\00:13:25.13 around, I mean, speaking about all things working together 00:13:25.17\00:13:26.94 for good for them that love God, and are called 00:13:26.97\00:13:28.74 according to His purpose and it's like He... 00:13:28.77\00:13:31.91 His hand is not so short that He cannot reach deep 00:13:31.94\00:13:35.28 to save us, even to the uttermost. 00:13:35.31\00:13:37.41 So let me ask you a question. 00:13:37.45\00:13:41.35 Are you willing to trust God with your failures? 00:13:41.38\00:13:46.42 Are you willing to let Him walk with you in your suffering? 00:13:46.45\00:13:51.29 He will mend every wound, it will be painful, 00:13:51.33\00:13:56.90 it will be difficult, you will have scars 00:13:56.93\00:13:59.17 but those scars will no longer be a symbol of your broken past. 00:13:59.20\00:14:06.11 They'll be trophies of your victorious life, 00:14:06.14\00:14:13.05 your victorious new life in Christ. 00:14:13.08\00:14:16.89 Trust Him! His promises never fail. 00:14:16.92\00:14:22.06 Everything He says, He will do. 00:14:22.09\00:14:26.26