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- Hello and welcome
to Jesus for Asia Now.
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I'm Natalie Wood,
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and my husband Jon
is here with me today,
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and we're going to
be sharing some stories
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from the Philippines.
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Hello, love.
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- Hi, darling, how are you?
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- I'm good, I'm
looking forward to this show.
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- Yes. - We've got some stories.
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- Yeah, some testimonies from
different place in the planet.
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- All right, well, why
don't you explain to us
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where we're going today?
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- Okay, so
we're going to a place
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that is on the southern
most part of the Philippines.
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- Okay.
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- The big island on
the south is Mindanao.
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- Okay.
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- And in the
southwest of that is a peninsula
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with a bunch of islands trailing
all the way to Malaysia.
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And so these are testimonies
from that whole area.
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- So what's the first one?
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- So this is Rosa,
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and she comes from a
background of not just animism.
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Animism, by the
way, is spirit worship.
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- Okay. -
Everything is animated,
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you know, the
ground has a spirit.
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The trees have spirits.
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Their lives are ruled by fear.
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And a lot of people
in the west would think,
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"Well, that's
just superstition."
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- [Natalie] Mm. - It's not.
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There are really spirits.
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- Mm. - And they actually
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have power over people's lives.
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- Right.
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- And the only thing
that can break that power
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is the spirit of Jesus.
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- Okay.
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- So this is a lady
that was not only an animist,
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didn't believe in,
didn't know about Jesus,
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but she was also a sorcerer.
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- Okay. - So she
dabbled in the arts.
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- Okay. - Yes.
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- All right,
let's watch that now.
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- Okay. (suspenseful music)
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 1] When
I was young, I got sick.
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 1] My father
brought me to a witch doctor
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named Angeles.
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 1]
The witch doctor said,
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"She got sick because she
has an invisible playmate,
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and it is a boy."
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The witch doctor
could see the boy,
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the spirit coming near me,
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but my father and
others couldn't see him.
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The spirit told the witch doctor
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that if my family
didn't take care of me,
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he would kill me.
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(dramatic suspenseful music)
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(Toto speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 2]
In the Subanon tribe,
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we have pagan practices
like offering sacrifices.
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When we get sick, we
usually go to our witch doctors,
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commonly known as balians.
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We go to them to
offer chickens, pigs,
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or whatever they ask.
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(Toto speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 2] The
witch doctors ask for advice
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from the spirits,
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and the spirits inform us
how many animals to sacrifice
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to remove the sickness.
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(gentle suspenseful music)
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 1]
I always got sick,
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and it came to a time
when I couldn't get up.
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Since we are
used to spiritualism,
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my children agreed to call the
witch doctor to do something.
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(Toto speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 2] We are
imprisoned in this doctrine.
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We call the spirits from
trees, from farms, or wherever,
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so they can guide us.
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(Toto speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 2] We
also need to offer sacrifice
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to prevent getting sick.
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(gentle suspenseful music)
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 1]
Despite my difficult situation,
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I asked my children
to buy me 13 chickens.
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I told them that the 13th
chicken should be a red one,
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as instructed by
the witch doctor.
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Then the witch doctor
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formed a (speaking
in foreign language)
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a statue made of
wood and chicken feathers,
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and started the ritual to
determine the cause of sickness.
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He said the reason
why I always got sick
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was that the spirits
wanted me to serve them.
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After the ritual, I got well,
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but the
sickness came back again.
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The witch doctor
came again and said,
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"You need to
sacrifice chickens again."
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I said, "I
can't do anything now.
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I have already done my part.
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I have sacrificed
chickens. It should be enough.
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I don't want to get
involved in spiritualism."
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I would go to distant places
to get away from the spirits,
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because when I was here,
the healers would visit me,
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and the spirits would bring
sickness to me again and again.
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(gentle hopeful music)
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(Toto speaking foreign language)
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- [Translator 2] An
evangelistic meeting
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was done here by the
volunteers and Pastor Hamoy.
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Rosa attended the meetings.
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She learned that the
spirits that gave her sickness
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didn't love her.
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But the one who
died on the cross did.
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- [Translator 1]
After I got baptized,
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I still had headaches sometimes,
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but they were not
as strong as before.
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Sometimes I get headaches.
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I don't call the
spirits who gave sickness to me,
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but I call God.
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 1] He
doesn't require any chicken
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to be sacrificed.
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All I do is call His name.
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(Rosa speaking
in foreign language)
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(Toto speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 2] I
saw that the darkness
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couldn't penetrate them anymore
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because of the light
in their hearts and minds.
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- [Translator 1] After
Toto shared the gospel with me,
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I found the truth.
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One reason I was baptized,
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was also to test if I
would no longer see the spirits.
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I'm thankful
that I don't see them,
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and they don't
trouble me anymore.
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It was a
significant change in my life.
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(dramatic inspirational music)
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- Isn't that amazing?
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- That is.
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- The light. - That's beautiful.
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- Yeah.
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They didn't have to convince her
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about the fact that
they're spirits, unseen spirits.
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- Right.
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- The thought that
was really impressing me
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while we were
watching that video-
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- Mm. - Is what is she
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gonna look like
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when Jesus places a
golden crown on her head?
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- Oh, beautiful.
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- Just gonna be an
amazing, I wanna be there.
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- [Natalie] Yeah.
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- That's gonna
be an amazing event.
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- Yeah and just to
recognize that difference
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between what she's always known.
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- [Jon] Mm. - And the light.
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- [Jon] Yes. - You know,
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and the beauty of
Christ. - [Jon] Yes.
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- And the power of his name.
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- The difference between
the darkness and the light.
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- [Natalie] Yeah. (Jon chuckles)
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That's awesome. -
It's very clear to her.
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- That's awesome. - [Jon] Yeah.
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Now you noticed
that last scene of,
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it's like a structure, a
roof on the top of a hill.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- That is gonna be
part of our next episode.
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Also talking about
the need for churches.
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- Okay. - And stuff.
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But we're gonna keep focusing
on the testimonies of those
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who have come into the faith
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through those
that have sacrificed
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and are sacrificing to
bring the truth to them.
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- Okay.
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So this next
video is the same lady,
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and she's showing
what she used to use
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to call the spirits.
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- [Jon] Okay.
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(Toto speaking
in foreign language)
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- [Translator 2] In the past,
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Rosa was responsible
for performing rituals.
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This is the item that
she used in the ceremony,
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striking it to make a sound.
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But before that,
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she used a (speaking
in foreign language).
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She would take some of this
powder and put it in the fire,
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and it would turn
into a fragrance smoke.
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And this (speaking
in foreign language)
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is what they
used to call spirits.
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(gentle suspenseful music)
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Also, she used
this piece of wood
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to hit the (speaking
in foreign language).
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In kneeling position,
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she played the
(speaking in foreign language).
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Every witch doctor has their
(speaking in foreign language).
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(suspenseful music)
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- Yeah, creepy.
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- Yeah. (chuckles)
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It has no power anymore.
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- No, praise the Lord.
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- [Jon] Amen.
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- Praise the Lord. - [Jon] Amen.
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- The power's been
broken over her life,
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as well as those whose
lives she was affecting.
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- [Jon] Yes.
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- Now she has truth and
beauty to share with them.
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- Yes and a smile on her face.
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- Right, right. (Jon chuckles)
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- So this next video is
about the youth director
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for the Zamboanga
Peninsula Mission.
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And he has taken a
bunch of student missionaries
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to this church to do evangelism.
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- Okay.
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- This is a little glimpse
of the student missionaries
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doing their mission
service for this church.
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- Okay.
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(gentle inspirational music)
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(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 3] The Sindangan
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student missionary volunteers,
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started with just
two or three volunteers
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through the discipling process,
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they were able to
recruit more members.
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After two years, the
number of volunteers grew.
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(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 3] Most
of them are newly baptized.
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Some of them were previously
inactive in the church,
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and some were backslider.
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They met together
and formed this group.
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- The volunteers, they
have come to us just to help,
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to start with,
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they're not doing anything
because they don't have classes.
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And so they decided
they will come and help.
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And so they have come
sometimes 20, sometimes 30,
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regular 12, as you have seen.
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These students
have put in their heart,
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their time, their effort.
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They have decided to
live in the mountains as well.
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During any activities,
especially evangelistic series.
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We only have one worker, for
instance, only one JFA worker.
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That worker cannot
cover the whole area.
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So therefore the
students help out.
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So they're the ones,
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they were taught how
to provide Bible studies.
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They will do the
serenading and visitation.
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And also they do
the health approach
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for the family and
the Muslim ministry.
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(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 3]
We didn't hire layman
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nor paid workers for our area
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because these student
missionaries were already
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working. - The student
Missionaries have played a vital
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role in our
evangelism in those areas,
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in the very remote areas.
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And because they are young,
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you know, young
blood, they have the energy,
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so they can hike
for hours on end.
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You know, just to
reach a certain village.
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But then, like we always
say, when we do these things,
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when we do this work,
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we are basically only
scratching the surface,
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because there's
still more people,
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unimaginable how to reach.
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And yet these are souls.
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- So that was during
their summer vacation.
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They had time to go and they
decided instead of hanging out,
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let's go help the
pastor that has all these huge,
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you know, range of
mountains to cover.
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Let's go help 'em out.
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- Yeah. (Jon chuckles)
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That's awesome.
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- Have you ever ridden a
motorcycle like that though?
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- [Natalie] Not with
five people. (Jon chuckles)
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We did four, but
the kids were little.
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(both laughs)
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There were several
larger people on there.
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- Yeah, I remember when
Maryanne was between you and I.
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- That was fun times, but
we didn't have to do that.
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That wasn't our only
method of transportation.
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- Right.
00:10:52.98\00:10:53.95
- Ever, you know, that's like,
00:10:53.95\00:10:55.68
this is a normal thing for them.
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This is normal life.
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- Yeah.
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It's an amazing concept to think
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that these youth
would wanna do that
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instead of hanging out at home
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and playing video
games - [Natalie] Right.
00:11:03.26\00:11:04.33
- And watching TV or you know-
00:11:04.33\00:11:05.93
- Hanging with their
friends, go to the mall,
00:11:05.93\00:11:07.73
whatever, you know.
00:11:07.73\00:11:08.50
- Right, they enjoy that.
00:11:08.50\00:11:09.86
And that's something I've
noticed in the Philippines.
00:11:09.86\00:11:11.63
I've never seen
youth so actively involved
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as in the Philippines.
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Like Wednesday
night prayer meeting.
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- Mm. - I've seen,
00:11:16.97\00:11:18.07
it's like 80% of
the church members
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are there on a Wednesday night
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as show up on Sabbath morning.
00:11:22.71\00:11:24.71
- Mm. - And the whole program
00:11:24.71\00:11:25.71
was run by by youth.
00:11:25.71\00:11:27.52
- Wow.
00:11:27.52\00:11:28.32
Yeah. - And then
00:11:28.32\00:11:29.38
Friday night vespers,
00:11:29.38\00:11:30.49
probably 90% of
the church attendance.
00:11:30.49\00:11:33.49
- [Natalie] Hmm. - Whole program
00:11:33.49\00:11:34.42
was run by youth. - Mm.
00:11:34.42\00:11:35.59
- And then Sabbath school,
00:11:35.59\00:11:36.96
I was, you know, getting up
early and getting ready to go.
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And I was ready by 8:30.
00:11:39.96\00:11:42.16
And they're like, "We've been
waiting for you, we're late."
00:11:42.16\00:11:45.70
(both chuckles)
00:11:45.70\00:11:46.94
And Sabbath school
was run by the youth.
00:11:46.94\00:11:48.44
- Hmm. - I was amazed.
00:11:48.44\00:11:49.84
- [Natalie] Wow. -
And so this youth movement
00:11:49.84\00:11:51.91
in the church is so strong,
00:11:51.91\00:11:53.91
and youth revival
is happening there.
00:11:53.91\00:11:55.71
And it's a beautiful
thing. - [Natalie] Yeah.
00:11:55.71\00:11:57.48
- And to see
these young people say,
00:11:57.48\00:11:59.05
"Hey, I think I'll spend
my summer months volunteering,
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taking the gospel and
doing evangelistic series
00:12:02.02\00:12:04.32
and helping out the pastor."
00:12:04.32\00:12:05.89
- Yeah, you have to hike
for hours on end (Jon chuckles)
00:12:05.89\00:12:08.52
to reach an extra village.
00:12:08.52\00:12:09.82
- But you saw that
smile on their faces.
00:12:09.82\00:12:11.53
- [Natalie] Mm-hmm. -
They were just knowing
00:12:11.53\00:12:13.29
that they're serving God
00:12:13.29\00:12:14.56
and that's what they wanna do.
00:12:14.56\00:12:16.13
- Yeah.
00:12:16.13\00:12:16.97
- [Both] That's awesome.
00:12:16.97\00:12:17.77
- Yeah. - [Jon] Yes.
00:12:17.77\00:12:18.63
So, praise God.
00:12:18.63\00:12:19.73
- Okay, so
what's our next video?
00:12:19.73\00:12:20.90
- So this next video,
00:12:20.90\00:12:22.27
you know when these
youth go out to do this work,
00:12:22.27\00:12:25.41
Satan's not happy.
00:12:25.41\00:12:26.57
- [Natalie] Hmm.
00:12:26.57\00:12:27.91
- And so they were attacked
really heavily by evil spirits,
00:12:27.91\00:12:31.05
even though they were warned
00:12:31.05\00:12:32.75
that there's a lot of
evil spirits in that area.
00:12:32.75\00:12:35.05
- [Natalie] Mm.
- They went anyway,
00:12:35.05\00:12:36.32
and they were attacked.
00:12:36.32\00:12:37.42
- All right,
let's watch that now.
00:12:37.42\00:12:38.59
- Okay.
00:12:38.59\00:12:39.45
(gentle eerie music)
00:12:39.45\00:12:40.56
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:12:40.56\00:12:41.59
- [Translator 3]
When I held her arms,
00:12:41.59\00:12:42.86
she was not normal
because what I was holding
00:12:42.86\00:12:44.56
was like sand from the beach.
00:12:44.56\00:12:46.53
(gentle eerie music continues)
00:12:46.53\00:12:50.47
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:12:50.47\00:12:52.00
- [Translator 4] That day
we were baptizing 130 people.
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In the afternoon,
00:12:55.34\00:12:56.87
the program was started
for the nightly meetings.
00:12:56.87\00:12:59.04
Our volunteer young
people who attended the children
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got suddenly possessed.
00:13:01.71\00:13:03.18
The first youth turned pale.
00:13:04.45\00:13:06.18
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:13:06.18\00:13:07.28
- [Translator 3]
Somebody told me,
00:13:07.28\00:13:08.58
"Pastor Hamoy, your
volunteers were poisoned,
00:13:08.58\00:13:10.89
and are now
possessed by devils."
00:13:10.89\00:13:12.85
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:13:12.85\00:13:14.09
- [Translator 3] I
hurriedly went to the place
00:13:14.09\00:13:15.29
where the volunteers were,
00:13:15.29\00:13:16.66
there I saw how
terrible the scene was.
00:13:16.66\00:13:18.89
- [Translator 4] The attendance
00:13:18.89\00:13:19.96
was about 200 to
300 persons nightly.
00:13:19.96\00:13:23.00
- [Translator 5]
We were so confident
00:13:23.00\00:13:24.07
about our work in that area.
00:13:24.07\00:13:25.53
We knew God was happy
for the work being done,
00:13:26.97\00:13:29.40
but the enemy
was not happy at all.
00:13:29.40\00:13:31.24
We faced many heavy
challenges in that area.
00:13:32.31\00:13:34.51
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:13:35.61\00:13:37.01
- [Translator 3] Our shaman
or which doctor said to me,
00:13:37.01\00:13:39.71
"Sir, our place
here is very dangerous
00:13:39.71\00:13:42.18
because there are
many evil spirits."
00:13:42.18\00:13:44.45
(interviewee
speaking foreign language)
00:13:44.45\00:13:45.59
- [Translator 4]
Because of the many conversions
00:13:45.59\00:13:46.96
and baptisms,
00:13:46.96\00:13:48.32
the evil spirits wanted
to take revenge toward us.
00:13:48.32\00:13:51.36
They wanted to
get our volunteers.
00:13:51.36\00:13:53.29
- [Translator
3] The shaman said,
00:13:54.23\00:13:55.20
"Sir, these volunteers of yours,
00:13:55.20\00:13:57.40
you would be lucky if
four of them will survive."
00:13:57.40\00:14:00.17
I was in
intense trouble and fear
00:14:00.17\00:14:02.07
because it was me who had asked
permission from the parents
00:14:02.07\00:14:04.74
for their children to be
our volunteers and assistant.
00:14:04.74\00:14:07.84
So at that moment,
00:14:07.84\00:14:09.21
the pastors were
in intense prayer.
00:14:09.21\00:14:11.61
- [Translator 4] As we
prayed, the person would float.
00:14:11.61\00:14:13.85
- [Translator 5]
All four of us men
00:14:13.85\00:14:14.92
were holding one lady volunteer.
00:14:14.92\00:14:16.72
We could not subdue her.
00:14:16.72\00:14:18.09
Her strength was stronger
than any human strength.
00:14:18.09\00:14:20.92
- [Translator 3] When I held
her arms, she was not normal,
00:14:20.92\00:14:23.46
because what I was holding
was like sand from the beach.
00:14:23.46\00:14:26.73
When I wiped my hands on
my pants, I saw like sand.
00:14:26.73\00:14:30.67
- [Translator 4] We
would lay down the Bible
00:14:30.67\00:14:31.93
on the volunteers
00:14:31.93\00:14:33.03
and they would
calm down for a moment.
00:14:33.03\00:14:35.34
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:14:35.34\00:14:36.74
- [Translator 4] But when the
Bible was lifted momentarily,
00:14:36.74\00:14:38.81
the devils would attack again.
00:14:38.81\00:14:41.01
- [Translator 3] In one corner,
00:14:41.01\00:14:42.11
a volunteer was
being attended to,
00:14:42.11\00:14:44.25
in another corner was another.
00:14:44.25\00:14:45.98
Behind my back was
another being attended to,
00:14:45.98\00:14:48.55
on my right side,
another was being attacked.
00:14:48.55\00:14:51.35
That night,
00:14:51.35\00:14:52.75
four volunteers were
being possessed simultaneously.
00:14:52.75\00:14:55.12
For four long hours,
from 6:00 PM until 10:00 PM,
00:14:55.12\00:14:58.53
there was no
letting up of our struggle
00:14:58.53\00:15:00.40
against the evil spirits.
00:15:00.40\00:15:02.13
There seemed to be no hope,
00:15:02.13\00:15:03.53
because after
kneeling down in prayer,
00:15:03.53\00:15:05.63
as we would end, the evil
spirits would attack again.
00:15:05.63\00:15:09.30
We were helpless.
00:15:09.30\00:15:10.84
Even after the
many hymns and prayers.
00:15:10.84\00:15:13.11
The bad spirits would not leave.
00:15:13.11\00:15:15.21
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:15:15.21\00:15:17.61
- [Translator 3]
At about 10:00 PM,
00:15:17.61\00:15:18.98
while we were struggling
against the evil spirits,
00:15:18.98\00:15:21.62
one lady of our
team named Lenlen,
00:15:21.62\00:15:24.02
told me, "Pastor, I saw a
hand touching my shoulder."
00:15:24.02\00:15:27.26
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:15:27.26\00:15:28.79
- [Translator 3] "It was white.
00:15:28.79\00:15:30.23
The clothing was so bright,
00:15:30.23\00:15:31.56
I could not see the face
because of the brightness."
00:15:31.56\00:15:35.00
At that very moment, as
all of us heard that comment,
00:15:35.00\00:15:38.30
we were strengthened.
00:15:38.30\00:15:39.77
Shortly after,
00:15:39.77\00:15:41.14
the possessed person said that
the three black evil spirits
00:15:41.14\00:15:44.04
left when the
white hand appeared.
00:15:44.04\00:15:46.14
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:15:46.14\00:15:50.31
- [Translator 3]
We learned the lesson
00:15:50.31\00:15:51.55
that when we engage
ourselves in the work of God,
00:15:51.55\00:15:54.28
even if it is
with plain volunteers,
00:15:54.28\00:15:56.58
there is leading from God.
00:15:56.58\00:15:58.15
It was Him who
called the volunteers.
00:15:59.19\00:16:01.56
(Pastor Hamoy
speaking in foreign language)
00:16:01.56\00:16:02.96
- [Translator 3] During those
times when we seemed hopeless,
00:16:02.96\00:16:04.73
God sent a hand to
encourage us to go forward
00:16:04.73\00:16:07.40
and persevere in his work.
00:16:07.40\00:16:09.13
- Wow.
00:16:15.87\00:16:16.77
So they were truly harassed.
00:16:17.84\00:16:19.81
- Right.
00:16:19.81\00:16:20.68
- But God was stronger.
00:16:20.68\00:16:22.11
- Yeah.
00:16:22.11\00:16:23.45
- And they were told that maybe
four of them might survive.
00:16:23.45\00:16:25.71
- Yeah, the shaman
was predicting death.
00:16:25.71\00:16:28.65
- Yeah, but God didn't allow it.
00:16:28.65\00:16:30.02
- It's beautiful how they
felt a hand and they looked,
00:16:30.02\00:16:33.59
and the clothes were so bright
00:16:33.59\00:16:34.72
and they
couldn't look at the face.
00:16:34.72\00:16:36.16
- 'Cause it was so bright.
00:16:36.16\00:16:37.09
- It was too bright. - Yeah.
00:16:37.09\00:16:38.16
And then it drove
the other spirits away
00:16:38.16\00:16:40.46
and they had freedom. - Yeah.
00:16:40.46\00:16:41.76
- And you see the
youth that are there,
00:16:41.76\00:16:43.70
you know, in the video,
00:16:43.70\00:16:44.90
they're smiling and singing and-
00:16:44.90\00:16:47.30
- [Natalie] Yeah. - No
mark of darkness on them.
00:16:47.30\00:16:49.97
- Right, praise the Lord.
00:16:49.97\00:16:51.51
- [Jon] Amen. -
He protected them.
00:16:51.51\00:16:52.54
- [Jon] Yes. - He really did.
00:16:52.54\00:16:53.91
- [Jon] Yeah. - Yeah.
00:16:53.91\00:16:54.94
- That's awesome. - So, I like
00:16:54.94\00:16:55.61
what the pastor said,
00:16:55.61\00:16:56.95
"We might have asked them to
come and made arrangements for,
00:16:56.95\00:16:59.01
but it was God who
called them to come here."
00:16:59.01\00:17:00.68
- [Jon] Hmm, amen. - So that,
00:17:00.68\00:17:02.22
that's a neat way to look at it.
00:17:02.22\00:17:03.55
- And to imagine that
all that is being overseen
00:17:03.55\00:17:06.15
by a pastor that
gets 150 a month.
00:17:06.15\00:17:09.49
- Yeah. - You know.
00:17:09.49\00:17:10.89
Anybody can at least help
a large part of their salary.
00:17:10.89\00:17:14.23
- [Natalie] Right.
- Every month, yeah.
00:17:14.23\00:17:15.40
- Okay, so what is our next one?
00:17:15.40\00:17:17.07
- So our next one is one
of the most remarkable stories
00:17:17.07\00:17:19.73
I've ever heard.
00:17:19.73\00:17:21.14
And this is from a man
who used to be a rebel prince.
00:17:21.14\00:17:24.81
A prince in his tribe,
00:17:24.81\00:17:26.71
who was next in line
to be king of his tribe.
00:17:26.71\00:17:29.88
He was a bad guy,
he was an assassin.
00:17:29.88\00:17:33.68
And I don't wanna give
away the rest of the story.
00:17:33.68\00:17:36.45
I'd like him to tell it himself.
00:17:36.45\00:17:38.62
- Okay. - His
face has been concealed
00:17:38.62\00:17:40.36
because it's a
very sensitive story
00:17:40.36\00:17:42.29
and where he's working.
00:17:42.29\00:17:43.69
And so we we don't
reveal his identity.
00:17:44.79\00:17:48.00
- Okay.
00:17:48.00\00:17:49.00
(gentle suspenseful music)
00:17:49.00\00:17:50.10
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:17:50.10\00:17:51.37
- [Translator 6] I have
committed many sins in my life.
00:17:51.37\00:17:53.87
I have killed here,
there, and anywhere.
00:17:53.87\00:17:56.20
I have murdered
people for a fee.
00:17:57.31\00:17:59.21
Sometimes just for
the price of a cigarette,
00:17:59.21\00:18:01.38
I would shoot a man to death.
00:18:01.38\00:18:02.88
(gentle suspenseful music)
00:18:03.98\00:18:08.32
(dog barks)
00:18:08.32\00:18:10.72
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:18:12.69\00:18:17.46
- [Translator 6] From fourth
grade until I reached college,
00:18:17.46\00:18:19.69
I have done many ugly things.
00:18:19.69\00:18:21.33
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:18:21.33\00:18:23.53
- [Interviewer] You had guns
when you were in fourth grade?
00:18:23.53\00:18:25.70
- [Translator 6] There
were many weapons and guns
00:18:25.70\00:18:27.20
in our home.
00:18:27.20\00:18:28.30
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:18:28.30\00:18:30.67
- [Translator 6] Many feared me
00:18:30.67\00:18:31.74
because there were
many things I could do
00:18:31.74\00:18:33.07
that they couldn't.
00:18:33.07\00:18:34.21
It was a trend
for us to kill people.
00:18:34.21\00:18:36.24
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:18:36.24\00:18:38.25
- [Translator 6] Many of
us enjoyed doing it for fun.
00:18:38.25\00:18:40.48
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:18:40.48\00:18:42.82
- [Translator 6] We
didn't hide, but did it openly.
00:18:42.82\00:18:44.95
Our lives were
so different before,
00:18:44.95\00:18:47.46
we did not know God at all.
00:18:47.46\00:18:49.29
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:18:49.29\00:18:54.36
- [Translator 6] I started
as a commander of pirates,
00:18:55.73\00:18:57.13
then I became a commander
of the Abu Sayyaf rebel group.
00:18:57.13\00:18:59.90
Then of the New People's
Army, our communist rebel group.
00:18:59.90\00:19:02.87
Then of the Kuratong Baleleng
group, a group of hoodlums.
00:19:02.87\00:19:06.68
Finally of the Moro
Islamic Liberation Front.
00:19:06.68\00:19:09.28
We did notorious activities.
00:19:09.28\00:19:11.08
We had so much money.
00:19:12.08\00:19:13.55
Our money was in the millions,
00:19:13.55\00:19:14.92
8 million, 20 million,
00:19:14.92\00:19:16.42
because we were into kidnapping
for ransom activities.
00:19:16.42\00:19:19.59
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:19:19.59\00:19:23.16
- [Translator 6] When I
had a share of the loot,
00:19:23.16\00:19:24.53
I would hold it in my hands
and it would be gone quickly.
00:19:24.53\00:19:27.40
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:19:27.40\00:19:29.00
- [Translator 6] I knew money
from illegal and wrong sources
00:19:29.00\00:19:31.10
would not last long.
00:19:31.10\00:19:32.80
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:19:32.80\00:19:36.84
- [Translator 6] The bus
ran over me in an accident.
00:19:36.84\00:19:38.97
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:19:38.97\00:19:42.18
- [Translator 6] I was brought
to the Adventist sanitarium
00:19:42.18\00:19:44.15
and was invited
to a Bible study.
00:19:44.15\00:19:46.35
My right hand was
positioned over my chest
00:19:46.35\00:19:48.48
and stayed that way.
00:19:48.48\00:19:49.95
I couldn't move it.
00:19:49.95\00:19:51.05
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:19:51.05\00:19:55.99
- [Translator 6]
During the Bible study,
00:19:55.99\00:19:57.29
when Pastor Diaz asked
who would accept Jesus,
00:19:57.29\00:20:00.53
the Christian patients
did not raise their hands.
00:20:00.53\00:20:03.13
As for me, who was a Muslim,
I had no plan to raise my hand.
00:20:03.13\00:20:06.94
And it was
paralyzed on my chest.
00:20:06.94\00:20:08.87
But suddenly,
when the call was made,
00:20:10.01\00:20:11.97
my hand miraculously
raised above my head.
00:20:11.97\00:20:14.74
When Pastor Diaz said that I
could now lower my raised hand,
00:20:14.74\00:20:18.05
I said that I could not do that
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because my hand was
stuck as it was raised
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and would remain that way.
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At that instant, pastor
Diaz went close to me, prayed,
00:20:22.88\00:20:25.72
and my hand slowly
went down to my chest again.
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I called my friends to tell them
00:20:28.66\00:20:30.03
I needed to leave the hospital.
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On the way to my baptism,
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many of my friends waited
along the road with their guns.
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They wanted to stop
me before I get baptized.
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The miracle of it all
was that they did not see me,
00:20:38.63\00:20:40.84
and I did not see my friends.
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(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 6]
After my baptism,
00:20:45.17\00:20:46.47
I was brought back to
the Adventist hospital.
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My friends have had
a chance to kidnap me
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so that my baptism
would not go through
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and our crimes would continue.
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When I was baptized, I
decided to become a pastor.
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I studied in
Mountain View College.
00:20:58.12\00:20:59.92
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 6] I had to
pretend I was a good person,
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not a criminal.
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(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 6]
Slowly I learned many things.
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We had medical missions
00:21:08.90\00:21:10.00
in the rebel camps
I used to frequent.
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(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator 6] The
rebels there knew me very well.
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But then they started
being afraid of me and asked,
00:21:17.17\00:21:19.41
"What happened to you?"
00:21:19.41\00:21:20.51
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:21:20.51\00:21:22.91
- [Translator 6] They
knew me to be a notorious
00:21:22.91\00:21:24.28
and bad person.
00:21:24.28\00:21:25.45
Now, all of a sudden,
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I was bringing the
message of the Lord.
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Personally, I was asked
what had happened to me.
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I replied that I
was a pastor now,
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They knew I was
previously a killer.
00:21:34.06\00:21:36.09
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:21:36.09\00:21:38.36
- [Translator 6] They
used to call me the devil.
00:21:38.36\00:21:40.50
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:21:40.50\00:21:42.13
- [Translator 6] My relatives
said I was better off now
00:21:42.13\00:21:44.07
because I had a change in life.
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(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:21:45.83\00:21:47.67
- [Translator 6] When I
became a Seventh Day Adventist-
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(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
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- [Translator
6] I did not expect
00:21:52.17\00:21:53.61
that I would be
obedient, become more human,
00:21:53.61\00:21:57.08
and have a changed life.
00:21:57.08\00:21:59.08
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:21:59.08\00:22:02.02
- [Translator 6] I
learned in the Quran
00:22:02.02\00:22:03.08
about Jesus Christ
and there is no other.
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Even when I study the Bible,
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I can see that only
Jesus Christ is the truth.
00:22:09.12\00:22:11.63
(interviewee
speaking in foreign language)
00:22:11.63\00:22:16.60
(gentle hopeful music)
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- So he says that
he had an accident.
00:22:22.50\00:22:24.34
The accident was
that when he hit,
00:22:24.34\00:22:25.84
when the bus hit
him, it ran over him,
00:22:25.84\00:22:28.84
ran over his chest and leg,
00:22:28.84\00:22:30.81
and then it backed up over him-
00:22:30.81\00:22:33.21
- [Natalie] Hmm. -
And ran over him again.
00:22:33.21\00:22:34.32
And the reason for
that is that they say that
00:22:34.32\00:22:36.55
funeral bill is a lot
cheaper than a medical bill
00:22:36.55\00:22:39.12
than a hospital
bill. - [Natalie] Hmm.
00:22:39.12\00:22:40.52
- And so they wanna make sure
00:22:40.52\00:22:41.49
that he's dead. - Wow.
00:22:41.49\00:22:42.82
- But he didn't die,
he went to the hospital.
00:22:42.82\00:22:45.16
And then that hospital
is an Adventist hospital.
00:22:45.16\00:22:47.40
He was
converted to Jesus Christ.
00:22:47.40\00:22:49.80
- Right.
00:22:49.80\00:22:50.77
- And as he was working for us,
00:22:50.77\00:22:53.23
he got offered because he
was the prince of his tribe.
00:22:53.23\00:22:57.24
He got offered to be
the king of his tribe.
00:22:57.24\00:22:59.04
- [Natalie] Hmm. -
And he turned it down
00:22:59.04\00:23:01.08
to be a Bible worker.
00:23:01.08\00:23:02.38
- [Natalie] Wow. (Jon chuckles)
00:23:02.38\00:23:03.68
Wow, beautiful.
00:23:03.68\00:23:05.51
- [Jon] Yeah. - Beautiful story.
00:23:05.51\00:23:06.65
- He was somebody
that would be able to bring
00:23:06.65\00:23:08.55
some friends of
mine from America
00:23:08.55\00:23:10.25
into these rebel camps. - Hmm.
00:23:10.25\00:23:12.52
- And they would put
on evangelistic series,
00:23:12.52\00:23:15.82
which were
called Family Reunions,
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reunion between
Isaac and Ishmael.
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- Hmm.
00:23:21.50\00:23:22.86
- And I've got video of
them hugging and talking,
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Adventist and Muslim. - Hmm.
00:23:25.20\00:23:27.24
- [Jon] Who were mortal enemies.
00:23:27.24\00:23:29.00
- Right.
00:23:29.00\00:23:29.80
- He told me the story once of,
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he was kneeling in a
circle and he was asked to pray.
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And around him
were his old buddies.
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The people that you know
if they hear of a Christian,
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if somebody say the name Jesus,
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if they kill him,
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then they get rewarded
when they get to to heaven.
00:23:43.82\00:23:44.85
- [Natalie] Hmm. -
So they're excited.
00:23:44.85\00:23:45.89
They wanna kill
Christians. - Hmm.
00:23:45.89\00:23:48.16
- He was praying and he's like,
00:23:48.16\00:23:49.46
"Lord, I don't
wanna say the name Jesus."
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And the Lord says, "Say
Jesus, say the name Jesus."
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He said, "I
don't wanna do this."
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He says, "No, say it."
00:23:57.23\00:23:58.20
And so he is like saying it,
00:23:58.20\00:23:59.53
and he's looking
up at his friends,
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he has his eyes open
during prayer as he says it.
00:24:00.90\00:24:03.07
And the guy is
just standing there,
00:24:03.07\00:24:04.97
you know, against the
wall like this, with the gun.
00:24:04.97\00:24:07.41
And then he finished the prayer,
00:24:07.41\00:24:08.51
and afterwards he
went and asked him,
00:24:08.51\00:24:10.08
"How come you didn't kill me?"
00:24:10.08\00:24:11.58
He says, I wanted
to, but I couldn't move.
00:24:11.58\00:24:14.42
- [Natalie] Hmm. (Jon chuckles)
00:24:14.42\00:24:15.82
- Something was holding
me that I couldn't kill you.
00:24:15.82\00:24:17.92
- Wow.
00:24:17.92\00:24:19.02
- And so he's been
able to make inroads
00:24:19.02\00:24:21.29
into these very
violent, rebel armies.
00:24:21.29\00:24:24.53
- [Natalie] Mm-hmm.
00:24:24.53\00:24:25.56
- And do some
amazing work there.
00:24:25.56\00:24:27.23
- You know, sometimes we
think about these people,
00:24:27.23\00:24:29.60
like as a group.
00:24:29.60\00:24:31.50
- [Jon] Mm. - You know,
00:24:31.50\00:24:32.30
we think about the rebels.
00:24:32.30\00:24:33.67
- [Jon] Mm. - We
don't think about
00:24:33.67\00:24:35.07
the individual,
00:24:35.07\00:24:36.17
you know, people.
- Yes, that's true.
00:24:36.17\00:24:38.71
- [Natalie] And their
individual need for Christ.
00:24:38.71\00:24:41.11
- Yeah. - Yeah.
00:24:41.11\00:24:41.91
And so that's so beautiful
00:24:41.91\00:24:43.38
that God has
given him opportunities
00:24:43.38\00:24:46.31
to witness to those
he used to work with
00:24:46.31\00:24:48.85
to kill people. - Yes.
00:24:48.85\00:24:49.98
Yeah. - And you know,
00:24:49.98\00:24:51.32
like he's like, "That
was just something we did.
00:24:51.32\00:24:52.89
It was almost exciting."
00:24:52.89\00:24:54.36
(Jon chuckles) You know.
00:24:54.36\00:24:55.39
- Who would've thought
00:24:55.39\00:24:56.46
that somebody that
would kill people for fun
00:24:56.46\00:24:58.53
would be converted.
00:24:58.53\00:24:59.56
- [Natalie] Yeah. -
And God could use him
00:24:59.56\00:25:01.00
to bring others to Him.
00:25:01.00\00:25:02.26
- Yeah, God can do anything.
00:25:02.26\00:25:04.33
- [Jon] Yeah. (Natalie chuckles)
00:25:04.33\00:25:05.70
- You notice when he
says, "I became more humane."
00:25:05.70\00:25:08.00
- Yeah.
00:25:08.00\00:25:09.34
- It's a whole different meaning
when he's talking about it.
00:25:09.34\00:25:10.97
- Right, exactly.
00:25:10.97\00:25:12.31
- [Jon] Amazing
story. - Wow, wow.
00:25:12.31\00:25:14.08
- This is such an exciting
work to be involved with,
00:25:14.08\00:25:17.18
to see the gospel
go to these dark places
00:25:17.18\00:25:20.22
in the earth. - Yeah.
00:25:20.22\00:25:21.55
And it's so neat how God
takes people like that man.
00:25:21.55\00:25:24.52
- Hmm. - And changes them
00:25:24.52\00:25:26.35
to become Bible workers. - Yeah.
00:25:26.35\00:25:28.32
- And then takes
them as Bible workers
00:25:28.32\00:25:31.03
and then changes
other people's lives.
00:25:31.03\00:25:32.89
Like for example, the
lady that was a shaman,
00:25:32.89\00:25:36.10
or whatever she was
called in that tribe.
00:25:36.10\00:25:38.83
- Uh-huh.
00:25:38.83\00:25:39.87
And The story
continues. - God is amazing.
00:25:39.87\00:25:40.94
- Right, exactly.
- The one is changed,
00:25:40.94\00:25:42.60
and then that one
changes another one.
00:25:42.60\00:25:44.61
And that one is able to
plant the seed of the gospel
00:25:44.61\00:25:47.38
in another one.
00:25:47.38\00:25:48.51
And he changes, and
so on, and so forth.
00:25:48.51\00:25:50.28
And it grows
and it continues on.
00:25:50.28\00:25:52.21
- Yeah.
00:25:52.21\00:25:53.52
- And we get new tribes entered
and new villages entered,
00:25:53.52\00:25:56.72
and new people broken free
from the power of darkness.
00:25:56.72\00:26:00.76
- Yeah.
00:26:00.76\00:26:01.89
- And brought into
the God's marvelous light.
00:26:01.89\00:26:03.46
And you see
smiles on their faces
00:26:03.46\00:26:05.33
where there was
fear before. - Yeah.
00:26:05.33\00:26:06.93
- And I see Jesus going
forth on His white horse
00:26:06.93\00:26:10.23
conquering and
to conquer. - Yeah.
00:26:10.23\00:26:12.13
- You know, that conquering
is setting people free.
00:26:12.13\00:26:14.64
- Yeah. - It's free from lies,
00:26:14.64\00:26:16.44
from deceit, from
the power of darkness,
00:26:16.44\00:26:18.21
from the power of Satan.
00:26:18.21\00:26:19.47
- Yeah. - It's
a beautiful thing.
00:26:19.47\00:26:21.18
- Yeah, and it's a
privilege to be a part of it.
00:26:21.18\00:26:23.14
- [Jon] Yes. -
We are so privileged
00:26:23.14\00:26:24.81
that we get to
hear these stories.
00:26:24.81\00:26:26.72
- [Jon] Yes. - And share them
00:26:26.72\00:26:28.12
with others. - [Jon] Yes.
00:26:28.12\00:26:29.38
And God's calling
everybody to be a part of it.
00:26:29.38\00:26:31.35
- Right. - Not everybody can go,
00:26:31.35\00:26:33.46
but everybody
can be a part of it.
00:26:33.46\00:26:35.09
- Right. - By
sending, by praying,
00:26:35.09\00:26:38.19
by, you know-
00:26:38.19\00:26:39.29
- Sharing the
story with someone else
00:26:39.29\00:26:40.93
that might send and pray.
00:26:40.93\00:26:42.30
- Yeah. - Yep.
00:26:42.30\00:26:43.10
- By sending encouraging words,
00:26:43.10\00:26:44.67
anything like
that. - [Natalie] Yeah.
00:26:44.67\00:26:45.63
- Any little part. - Right.
00:26:45.63\00:26:46.67
- It will ring
throughout eternity.
00:26:46.67\00:26:48.34
- God will make changes.
00:26:48.34\00:26:49.77
- Yes.
00:26:49.77\00:26:51.11
- God will use each thing
that He calls each of us to do.
00:26:51.11\00:26:54.54
- Yes.
00:26:54.54\00:26:55.91
- And it will be one of
the pieces of the puzzle.
00:26:55.91\00:26:59.41
- Yes. - For eternity.
00:26:59.41\00:27:00.85
- Well, I just praise
the Lord that at this point,
00:27:00.85\00:27:02.22
we have about 27 full-time
workers in that mission.
00:27:02.22\00:27:07.19
- Wow, yeah, that's awesome.
00:27:07.99\00:27:09.02
- And there's a
request for many more.
00:27:09.02\00:27:10.79
- [Natalie] Yeah.
00:27:10.79\00:27:11.89
- And churches.
- [Natalie] Yeah.
00:27:11.89\00:27:13.13
- And vehicles.
00:27:13.13\00:27:15.16
- Right. - And schools.
00:27:15.16\00:27:16.53
- Yeah.
00:27:16.53\00:27:17.60
- So there's so
many opportunities.
00:27:17.60\00:27:18.70
- Right. - And
we see that as like,
00:27:18.70\00:27:20.20
"Oh, you know, that's a burden."
00:27:20.20\00:27:22.20
It is not burdens,
it's opportunities.
00:27:22.20\00:27:25.07
Opportunities for God's kingdom.
00:27:25.07\00:27:27.84
- Right. - And
so we're just happy
00:27:27.84\00:27:28.91
to do the little
bit that we can do.
00:27:28.91\00:27:30.51
- Right. - Yeah.
00:27:30.51\00:27:31.38
- Right.
(gentle inspiring music)
00:27:31.38\00:27:32.78
I would like to invite you to
be a part of this amazing work
00:27:32.78\00:27:35.45
by praying for them.
00:27:35.45\00:27:37.42
This is real.
00:27:37.42\00:27:38.79
The spiritual warfare,
00:27:38.79\00:27:41.09
the spiritual battle is real,
00:27:41.09\00:27:43.29
but God is bigger.
00:27:43.29\00:27:44.99
If you would like
to help in any way,
00:27:44.99\00:27:47.00
please contact
us at Jesus for Asia
00:27:47.00\00:27:49.63
PO Box 1221,
00:27:49.63\00:27:51.90
Collegedale, Tennessee, 37315.
00:27:51.90\00:27:55.77
Call us at 423 413 7321
00:27:55.77\00:28:00.54
or visit our
website at jesus4asia.org.
00:28:00.54\00:28:04.28
May God richly bless you,
00:28:04.28\00:28:05.95
until we see you next
time on Jesus for Asia Now.
00:28:05.95\00:28:09.52
(dramatic triumphant music)
00:28:09.52\00:28:13.25
(dramatic
triumphant music continues)
00:28:24.87\00:28:29.44