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- Hello and welcome
to "Jesus for Asia Now".
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I'm Natalie Wood and my husband,
John is here with me today
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and we have again,
our special guests,
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Ramon and Shandy Tengkano.
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Welcome back.
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- Thank you.
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- Thank you for having us.
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- We're looking
forward to more of the story.
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Last time we were together,
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we talked a little
bit about your story,
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coming to learn more about God
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and learning more about
faith and how you went to Papua.
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Then you went to FaithCamp
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and that's where
we're gonna pick up,
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is right in the
FaithCamp timeframe.
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- So one of our speakers
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called a meeting to
launch a satellite television
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program networks
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channel full-time, to
cover all of Indonesia.
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- Yeah.
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- And you were
part of that meeting.
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- Yeah, not the first one.
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I think I came in the
second meeting, I think.
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- Right.
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- Or even third.
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- We didn't know that you
were that interested in it.
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'Cause we were setting it up
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based on some other people
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that had some
expressed some interest
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and actually put some money into
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buying some equipment for that.
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- Yeah.
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- And then they all left.
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- Yeah.
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- And you guys stayed.
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- [Ramon] Yeah.
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- Why did you
stay in that ministry?
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Because it's not
a cheap ministry.
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- No, but it's easy either.
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- You need to
tell the story like,
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why you get into that room
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because we just
wanna go to toilet, right?
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- That's why we
weren't involved in the meeting
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just because I thought,
oh, this is just too technical.
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I wasn't really sure if
this is really my thing.
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I thought it was like an
exclusive circle of people
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that had already met
before and talk about it.
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I don't wanna get involved.
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And then I was just on
the way to the restroom
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where you guys were
having a meeting inside the room
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and then somebody
called me from inside,
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come can and join us.
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And then the meeting
kind of paused a little bit.
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Hey, you have to have somebody
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that needs to be
involved in this meeting.
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So I sat down, but I was
just listening passively.
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- Okay.
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- You told me the
prayer that is the calling.
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- Yeah, well.
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- You said like,
"Hey, we have a new job."
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- Okay, yeah. Go
back a little bit.
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I think it was a prayer
that was challenging for me,
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for me to be
convinced, well, you know what?
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This is what we we ask for.
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This is what it takes.
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I think the
prayer was calling for
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somebody who is willing
to just sacrifice everything.
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Yes.
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Maybe houses, cars.
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Anything God is
entrusted upon them.
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And then I sort of
felt like, you know what?
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This could be me.
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For me to start
experimenting God,
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because this is the sort
of a life that I had in mind.
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I felt impressed.
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I was impressed that this is it.
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- [John] Right.
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- And we took the
work and I told my wife,
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she was like, "Wow, you are
really serious about this then?"
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And yeah, now
you prepare yourself.
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Now these things I've been
telling you for a few years,
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these things are
all gonna change.
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Maybe this is it.
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- [John] Wow.
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- And I think she
had a prayerful moment.
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- When my
husband telling me that,
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"Hey, we have a new job."
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And what is the job? I was like.
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- Television.
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- And he said the television.
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What television is the new job?
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And he said, "The
prayer, the calling."
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And when he told me the prayer,
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I was like, "Yes, this is it."
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- [John] Wow.
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- So, kind of, I
really, really understand
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and he's really
understanding this work.
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Like both of us
need to understand.
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It's not just only
him or just only me
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because we understand that,
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the blessing will come if
you and me check in together
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and then understand that
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we need to go
through this kind of crisis.
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We need to go to
let go everything.
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If we personally
understand one another,
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that we need to go.
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- We have the teamwork, yeah.
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- Through this
kind of experience,
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that God will open the
way and blessing to us.
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- [Ramon] Yeah.
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- And you were
inspired by that prayer.
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And then what happened
after that? I mean like.
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- Well, in the
beginning of the ministry,
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we were just
housing the missionaries
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that are involved already.
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So I started watching
them, see what they do,
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because it was
completely new work for us.
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Like what?
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These people are
really living simple life.
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They demand nothing
much for their own selves.
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Like what they
have, it's just like.
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- They even sleep on the floor.
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- Backpack, they're sleeping
on the floor, really simple.
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And it kind of rubbed
in on us a little bit,
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we should really simple,
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we're team work, but
look at them and look at us.
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- We have a plan also once
to move to the countryside.
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- Yeah, at that
time we already purchased
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like a small land
out on the countryside,
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just because something in me,
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we knew we were gonna be
in the countryside somehow.
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From that point on,
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we started
operating within our capacity,
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to get out of the city.
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And I started
letting go the work,
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the secular work, the
secular business that I had.
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I started focusing on
the work for the Lord,
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and that was a prayer that
I was asking for particular.
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Lord, take me to a journey
that I'm not familiar with.
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If I really belong to
You, take me fully unto You,
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so You can receive me.
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It was not a easy journey.
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And it's like
the three young men,
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got taken to the fiery furnace
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because their obedience,
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not because they
did something wrong.
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They did something right.
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- Right.
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- That's what it felt like.
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God sort of allowed me
to experience this hardship.
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- Yeah.
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- Sometimes it's not
easy to operate business
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if you are not doing,
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you have to bribe somebody,
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you have to be competitive.
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- [John] Wow.
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- So you got to do everything
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within your power to stay
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a winner in business.
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And that comes
with unclean practices.
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When I stopped practicing that,
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I fully surrendered to the Lord.
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I started losing
grips on the business.
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I got cheated upon
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and then my partner
ran away with my money
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and then I got lawsuits.
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And we had experiences in
which God had to prove Himself
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that it's no longer you here.
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God had to
actually strip me away
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from everything that I was
depending upon all my life,
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only to show what
kind of God He was.
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- Okay, so that stripping away.
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- [Ramon] Yeah.
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- It wasn't
just like a decision.
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It was like several
year process, right?
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- Yeah, it went actually
quicker than I anticipated.
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I knew the consequences
of following the Lord,
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that there could be that
possibility that it's gonna,
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- You lose everything.
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- [Ramon] Strip away.
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- Okay.
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- But when it was
actually happening,
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I started to complain.
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I started complain,
we started complaining.
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She started to complain,
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but we just stayed on course.
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Trying to believe that
this is part of the game,
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maybe part of the process.
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- And during that process,
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God showed up in
ways that encourage you
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to continue the
process you're on.
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- Yes, of course, yeah.
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I think that's His
only purpose for us to
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go through that
experience for us to understand.
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We had a great team in the
beginning of working together,
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but it came to a point where
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we had to pay a
satellite bill, I think.
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We had $15,000 bill every
month that we signed up for.
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And everything was
paid in the beginning,
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everything is okay.
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And then, I think at one point,
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the company called us
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because we were
like few days late only.
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Hey, the payment didn't come,
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you got to make payment.
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Yeah, I know.
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But I think we're
running short this month.
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Well, you got to
make payment next week.
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Otherwise, the accounting is
gonna shut down the satellite.
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Like, okay, let's
see what God's gonna do.
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And then the following week,
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at the day we
were supposed to pay,
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we didn't have money, I think.
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There's really no payment yet.
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And I decided to
just get in the car
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and I think I wanna see them,
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see what they can do in person,
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maybe ask for grace period,
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a longer time for us to pay.
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And then, just on the
way to see them in the car,
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in the traffic, it
was Blackberry then,
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I received an email
from a friend saying that,
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"You know what? We got a
donation from somebody in
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England." Somebody who's
not even probably a Christian.
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Somebody is not a believer.
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This person sent an
email notifying that
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they located us, our
work through the internet.
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And then the guy, his
father just recently passed away
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and inherited him a lot of money
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and then he just had at a hunch
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that he was gonna help
a work somewhere in Asia
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and then located our work
and then he wired the money.
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And then the money was
actually transferred to us
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a few days before that.
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And then just what I was
making my way to the office,
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the satellite office
and the money came in,
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- Wow.
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- [Ramon] Right on time.
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- Wow.
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- So it was just a
miracle that kind of got us both
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in the car crying, you know?
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- Wow.
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- Wow, God is really
serious about this work.
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- Wow.
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- He's really,
really that serious.
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- That kind of
situation is really like,
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strike your heart to think that
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no, you even
worthy in the eyes of Him.
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- So God would do
that miracle for you.
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- Yeah.
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- Yeah.
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God will do everything
to make you understand
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how precious you are.
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So your heart can change, right?
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It seems like impossible.
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Like how come God
You are willing to work
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and corporate
with people like us
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who has like baggy background.
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- Baggage.
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- Baggage, right?
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- [John] Yeah.
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- So that's why when
he have the experience,
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it's really stuck.
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I remember that night,
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he gather are all of the workers
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and we are
holding hands together.
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And he told the story
and we are crying like, wow.
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- Yeah, we were
crying on the street
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while I was reading that even.
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- Even in the studio,
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with the missionary
and it just like, wow,
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now we have that story.
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- 'Cause you were
sitting in FaithCamp saying,
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"How come I don't
have those stories
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that those people have?"
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And now God's
giving you your own story.
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- The exact amount that
we ask for, that we needed.
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- And your response to that,
as soon as you saw that is,
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- Praise the Lord, yeah.
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- [John] God is there.
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God is real.
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- And He cares.
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- And then what it did, it
kind of diminishes our fear
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by a great chunk.
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- You see, I had
a similar experience
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because I grew up
reading Matthew 6:33.
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- Oh, okay.
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- Seek he first
the kingdom of God
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and all these things
will be added to you.
00:11:03.76\00:11:05.46
- [Ramon] Yeah.
00:11:05.46\00:11:07.10
- And thinking, well, I've heard
that, everybody reads that,
00:11:07.10\00:11:08.70
but who really believes that?
00:11:08.70\00:11:11.43
- Yeah.
00:11:11.43\00:11:12.77
- Who really organizes
their life on that principle?
00:11:12.77\00:11:14.97
And then I started seeing people
00:11:14.97\00:11:16.81
that had that kind of
experience in their lives
00:11:16.81\00:11:19.21
and that we're
trusting God fully
00:11:19.21\00:11:21.34
for everything and
God was coming through.
00:11:21.34\00:11:23.28
I was working at 3ABN.
00:11:23.28\00:11:25.25
- [Ramon] Yes.
00:11:25.25\00:11:26.58
- My paycheck was coming
from Danny Shelton's faith.
00:11:26.58\00:11:29.28
I never experienced that before.
00:11:29.28\00:11:31.05
And then the next question
was, would God do that for me?
00:11:31.05\00:11:35.16
- Yeah.
00:11:35.16\00:11:35.96
- I see Him doing it for others,
00:11:35.96\00:11:37.03
would He do that for me?
00:11:37.03\00:11:38.09
And so it's
exactly the same thing.
00:11:38.09\00:11:39.79
When I started
seeing that He would,
00:11:39.79\00:11:41.33
I was like, "Man, we
got to spread this around."
00:11:41.33\00:11:43.53
- Yeah.
00:11:43.53\00:11:45.17
- And everybody
that I've seen this,
00:11:45.17\00:11:46.80
isn't just like one
off or two off theory.
00:11:46.80\00:11:48.47
Everybody that I've
seen that has ventured out,
00:11:48.47\00:11:50.67
like you guys did, has
had the same experience.
00:11:50.67\00:11:54.51
That God is trustworthy.
00:11:54.51\00:11:56.01
- Yes, He is.
00:11:56.01\00:11:56.98
- And their faith has grown.
00:11:56.98\00:11:58.18
- [Ramon] Yeah.
00:11:58.18\00:11:59.55
- Yeah, I have
the experience also,
00:11:59.55\00:12:01.42
like make me realize that.
00:12:01.42\00:12:04.35
- [Ramon] Yeah, God
is alive, God is good.
00:12:04.35\00:12:06.82
- God is alive, God is there.
00:12:06.82\00:12:08.42
- [John] Right.
00:12:08.42\00:12:09.76
- Ramon has the
experience through the satellite
00:12:09.76\00:12:10.99
and then I have
experience my mom funeral
00:12:10.99\00:12:14.50
because we were really
willing to let go everything,
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even though it's like 50%,
00:12:17.67\00:12:19.90
like okay, you know?
00:12:19.90\00:12:20.80
Okay.
00:12:21.80\00:12:23.37
But yeah, just do it.
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- [John] Yeah.
00:12:24.37\00:12:25.27
- And then at the moment
we don't have any cash at all
00:12:26.64\00:12:28.74
because we use
everything, right.
00:12:28.74\00:12:30.51
- [John] Wow.
00:12:30.51\00:12:31.88
- Yeah. And then I got a
phone call from my family
00:12:31.88\00:12:34.15
that my mom is dying.
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She almost died and I was
like, "Lord, what should I do?"
00:12:36.35\00:12:38.49
Because in our tradition,
if you are the first one,
00:12:38.49\00:12:41.79
you need to take care
of the pride of the family.
00:12:41.79\00:12:44.39
- So they must
have had a lot of pride
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when you were really rich.
00:12:45.46\00:12:47.40
- Well, they did, yeah.
00:12:47.40\00:12:48.63
- Yeah, they did.
00:12:48.63\00:12:49.90
They just like,
look at her, the pride.
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- The pride of the family, yeah.
00:12:51.73\00:12:52.63
- Of the family.
00:12:52.63\00:12:54.04
- And now that you've lost,
00:12:54.04\00:12:55.30
you've given away
you haven't lost it.
00:12:55.30\00:12:56.50
- Yeah.
00:12:56.50\00:12:57.67
- [John] You've
actually intentionally,
00:12:57.67\00:12:58.94
- Well, we kind
of did lost a lot
00:12:58.94\00:12:59.94
after following the Lord.
00:13:00.81\00:13:01.88
- But there was a
result from that decision.
00:13:01.88\00:13:04.11
- Yeah.
00:13:04.11\00:13:05.35
A a result of that decision.
00:13:05.35\00:13:06.75
- And you invested a lot of
what you had, into the work.
00:13:06.75\00:13:10.35
- Yeah, but God did
return just in time,
00:13:10.35\00:13:12.25
everything just when we need it.
00:13:12.25\00:13:14.56
(laughing)
00:13:14.56\00:13:15.66
- So you became
dependent on Him.
00:13:15.66\00:13:16.79
- As long as you
were gonna use it for Him.
00:13:16.79\00:13:18.26
- [Ramon] Yeah.
00:13:18.26\00:13:19.13
- And not for yourself.
00:13:19.13\00:13:19.96
- That's right.
00:13:19.96\00:13:21.30
So at the time of your
mom's funeral, you had nothing.
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- I have nothing. And
then the family is just,
00:13:24.10\00:13:26.53
everybody's watching
like, okay, what she gonna do?
00:13:26.53\00:13:30.17
- [John] Yeah.
00:13:30.17\00:13:31.74
- And I was like, oh, and then,
00:13:31.74\00:13:32.87
of course my
husband is really like very,
00:13:32.87\00:13:35.68
- Stressful, yeah.
00:13:36.48\00:13:37.95
- Stressful at
the moment because
00:13:37.95\00:13:39.48
he looked at me
and he said like,
00:13:39.48\00:13:41.02
"I'm sorry, I need to bring you
00:13:41.02\00:13:42.75
with this kind of situation."
00:13:42.75\00:13:43.85
- [John] Wow.
00:13:43.85\00:13:44.69
- I told him, right,
00:13:44.69\00:13:46.32
"Ramon, I'm the
one who say yes too.
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It means that I'm the
one who really have the
00:13:48.09\00:13:50.86
deep understanding too."
00:13:50.86\00:13:52.49
- No, we agreed, yeah.
00:13:52.49\00:13:53.90
- We agreed that we gonna get
through it this part together.
00:13:53.90\00:13:58.40
So, everything's gonna be okay,
00:13:58.40\00:14:00.14
I'm gonna deal with my family.
00:14:00.14\00:14:01.50
You just stand still there
00:14:01.50\00:14:05.51
and he's like, "No,
I need to help you."
00:14:05.51\00:14:08.61
No, no, no.
00:14:08.61\00:14:09.61
- It was kind of
embarrassing for a man.
00:14:09.61\00:14:11.75
- That's the
pride of the man, right?
00:14:11.75\00:14:14.18
And then I remember,
even telling him like,
00:14:14.18\00:14:17.62
"Let's watch the video,
maybe we can make something,"
00:14:17.62\00:14:22.19
- Like a casket.
00:14:22.19\00:14:23.02
"From the,"
00:14:23.02\00:14:24.13
- The plywood, something.
00:14:24.13\00:14:26.06
- The plywood or something.
00:14:26.06\00:14:26.90
- DIY.
00:14:26.90\00:14:27.73
- DIY.
00:14:27.73\00:14:29.06
- I was like, "It's okay,
you don't need to put your ears,
00:14:29.06\00:14:32.97
to listen what the family said.
00:14:32.97\00:14:35.50
It's all me, I'm
gonna deal with them."
00:14:35.50\00:14:39.21
And then we go to
the funeral store, right?
00:14:40.48\00:14:45.38
I ask this casket and everything
00:14:45.38\00:14:47.75
and of course it's expensive.
00:14:47.75\00:14:49.72
- What are you
talking about? Like 5,000.
00:14:49.72\00:14:52.52
- I think I
remember the casket itself
00:14:52.52\00:14:53.82
was like almost $2,000.
00:14:53.82\00:14:55.26
- $2,000 for a casket.
00:14:55.26\00:14:56.99
- And then, the color is white.
00:14:56.99\00:14:59.03
Because the first time I
walked into that funeral store,
00:14:59.03\00:15:04.07
the one thing that
I see is the casket,
00:15:05.17\00:15:06.57
like, wow, white, I know is
really beautiful for my mom.
00:15:06.57\00:15:09.50
- So that's the one you wanted.
00:15:09.50\00:15:10.61
- Yeah, that's the
one that I want, right?
00:15:10.61\00:15:13.01
And then I was like, yeah.
00:15:13.01\00:15:14.38
But then when I asked and
the casket was so expensive,
00:15:14.38\00:15:16.34
I was like, forget it.
00:15:16.34\00:15:17.75
- Right.
00:15:17.75\00:15:18.55
- And then the people say like,
00:15:18.55\00:15:19.81
"There's the other
funeral store over there.
00:15:19.81\00:15:21.48
Maybe you can go there."
00:15:21.48\00:15:23.18
I was like, "Okay,
just check it out."
00:15:23.18\00:15:24.45
- [John] Okay.
00:15:24.45\00:15:25.75
- So I go to that other store
00:15:25.75\00:15:27.12
and then I walk
and then the lady
00:15:27.12\00:15:29.36
is already in front of the door.
00:15:29.36\00:15:31.66
Like, "Hey."
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And I was like, "I'm sorry."
00:15:32.89\00:15:34.83
This is already
like 3:30 in the morning.
00:15:34.83\00:15:36.80
- 3:30 in the morning?
00:15:36.80\00:15:37.80
- Yeah, it was really.
00:15:37.80\00:15:38.87
- Yeah, it's
really like that late.
00:15:38.87\00:15:41.17
- Late or early.
00:15:41.17\00:15:42.24
- 3:30 in the morning.
00:15:42.24\00:15:43.37
- You went
casket shopping at 3:30.
00:15:43.37\00:15:44.57
- They opened 24 hours for that.
00:15:44.57\00:15:46.37
- Over there,
that's what happens.
00:15:46.37\00:15:48.18
As soon as somebody passes
00:15:48.18\00:15:49.88
you start calling around,
00:15:49.88\00:15:51.61
who's gonna
handle all the funeral.
00:15:51.61\00:15:54.15
- She was awake at 3:30.
00:15:54.15\00:15:55.65
- Yeah, she's there.
00:15:55.65\00:15:57.05
- They're always open 24 hours.
00:15:57.05\00:15:59.55
- There's no
morgue with refrigeration.
00:15:59.55\00:16:01.76
- Yeah, well, we
do it really quick.
00:16:01.76\00:16:03.76
- They have to do it very fast.
00:16:03.76\00:16:04.59
- Yeah, yeah.
00:16:04.59\00:16:05.43
- [John] Okay.
00:16:05.43\00:16:06.46
- And I was like, "I'm sorry,
00:16:06.46\00:16:07.86
I know this is
3:30 in the morning."
00:16:07.86\00:16:08.90
She said like,
"It's okay. It's okay.
00:16:08.90\00:16:11.80
You must be Shandy
and this is Ramon, right?
00:16:11.80\00:16:14.20
And then I always thought that
00:16:14.20\00:16:15.57
this is the television viewer.
00:16:15.57\00:16:18.21
- Oh yeah.
00:16:18.21\00:16:19.34
- And I was like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:19.34\00:16:20.74
Yeah, ma'am I'm Shandy
and this is my husband Ramon."
00:16:20.74\00:16:22.81
- [John] Okay.
00:16:22.81\00:16:23.95
- Yeah, I know
that you guys will come.
00:16:23.95\00:16:25.31
So, there's a list that
I already prepare for you,
00:16:25.31\00:16:30.09
what you need.
00:16:30.09\00:16:31.19
And I was like, and
of course as a human,
00:16:31.19\00:16:33.25
you have the negative
thought throws this lady, right?
00:16:33.25\00:16:36.89
- Why is she pushing the sales?
00:16:36.89\00:16:38.79
- I tell like, "Yeah, I
need something for my mother."
00:16:38.79\00:16:41.73
Yeah, I know. I just
prepare everything for you.
00:16:41.73\00:16:44.90
- Don't worry, I'll
take care of everything.
00:16:44.90\00:16:47.17
- Don't worry, I
take care of everything.
00:16:47.17\00:16:48.67
And then I just
want to make sure
00:16:48.67\00:16:50.41
what the casket that
she will give to my mom.
00:16:50.41\00:16:53.48
- Plywood.
00:16:53.48\00:16:54.91
- Yeah, I was like, wow.
00:16:54.91\00:16:56.54
I just wanted to make sure
I don't get the white casket
00:16:56.54\00:16:59.71
because I know the
white casket is so expensive.
00:16:59.71\00:17:01.48
- It costs a lot of money.
00:17:01.48\00:17:02.82
- And I just like,
can I see the casket?
00:17:02.82\00:17:05.42
And she just like, of course.
00:17:05.42\00:17:06.82
And she just like, that's
the casket, the white one.
00:17:06.82\00:17:09.29
I was like,
"Oh, see, I knew it."
00:17:09.29\00:17:10.93
I was like, "I knew it Ramon,
that casket is so expensive."
00:17:10.93\00:17:14.86
I was like, I
mean, this lady, really?
00:17:14.86\00:17:17.53
- She like, "Take this, take
this, don't worry, take this."
00:17:17.53\00:17:19.40
- Take this, it's okay.
00:17:19.40\00:17:20.67
I was like, oh, okay.
00:17:20.67\00:17:21.57
- [Ramon] Good price.
00:17:21.57\00:17:22.64
- Maybe, Ramon, she
really need to on sale.
00:17:22.64\00:17:26.07
- To make a sale, yeah.
00:17:27.01\00:17:28.14
- To make a
sale. I was like, okay.
00:17:28.14\00:17:29.28
I just took everything,
what you prepare for me.
00:17:29.28\00:17:31.41
- Wow.
00:17:31.41\00:17:32.31
- And then, she
bring everything to my.
00:17:33.38\00:17:35.52
- Over there, they do it,
00:17:35.52\00:17:37.09
we do the funeral at home.
00:17:37.09\00:17:39.19
So they set up the tents,
the chairs, all, everything.
00:17:39.19\00:17:43.02
All the flowers, whatever
it's needed, all these things.
00:17:44.36\00:17:46.96
- [John] Okay
00:17:46.96\00:17:48.43
- So she comes
with the whole package
00:17:48.43\00:17:49.66
delivered at our house.
00:17:50.63\00:17:52.00
- And then when
my mom already get.
00:17:52.00\00:17:54.90
- Yeah, after
she was buried, yeah.
00:17:56.34\00:17:57.21
- Yeah.
00:17:57.21\00:17:58.21
- So how long.
00:17:58.21\00:17:59.04
- The second, two days.
00:17:59.04\00:18:00.68
- Okay.
00:18:00.68\00:18:01.48
- Two days.
00:18:01.48\00:18:02.28
- All right, so two days.
00:18:02.28\00:18:03.68
- And then I asked her, "Can
I ask the bill? I need to pay."
00:18:03.68\00:18:04.75
And then she came
with me with the bill.
00:18:04.75\00:18:07.38
It's just only
transportation cost.
00:18:07.38\00:18:11.09
- Okay, so what
would the bill normally be?
00:18:11.09\00:18:13.66
- The casket.
00:18:13.66\00:18:14.46
- We're expecting to pay,
00:18:14.46\00:18:16.46
maybe in dollars to 3000,
00:18:16.46\00:18:18.66
maybe right around there.
00:18:18.66\00:18:20.00
- Oh, the caskets 2000.
00:18:20.00\00:18:21.60
- [Ramon] Yeah.
00:18:21.60\00:18:22.86
- So all the chairs and
tables, all that kind of stuff.
00:18:22.86\00:18:24.97
- [Ramon] Yeah, yeah.
00:18:24.97\00:18:26.07
- Maybe 2 to
3000 on top of that.
00:18:26.07\00:18:27.94
- [Ramon] Something like that.
00:18:27.94\00:18:29.37
- So maybe around 5,000.
00:18:29.37\00:18:30.21
- Yeah, maybe.
00:18:30.21\00:18:31.51
And then when it was charged,
only the transportation,
00:18:31.51\00:18:33.61
because she said you
don't pay for everything.
00:18:33.61\00:18:35.61
It's just the truck
doesn't belong to me.
00:18:35.61\00:18:37.35
I had to rent the truck
to bring everything here.
00:18:37.35\00:18:40.55
That's it.
00:18:40.55\00:18:42.05
I think the truck was
only like 50, 60, $70,
00:18:42.05\00:18:45.62
somewhere around
$60, maybe in us dollars.
00:18:45.62\00:18:49.59
This is ridiculous.
00:18:49.59\00:18:50.39
It has to be more than this.
00:18:50.39\00:18:52.59
- I told her, "No, no, no, no.
00:18:52.59\00:18:54.73
I'm a business background too.
00:18:54.73\00:18:55.83
I know that you
need to have money back.
00:18:55.83\00:18:58.67
But look at this,
00:18:58.67\00:18:59.80
this is just only
the transportation cost."
00:18:59.80\00:19:02.17
And she said, "Yeah, I know.
00:19:02.17\00:19:03.51
You just pay for
the transportation
00:19:03.51\00:19:05.04
because that is not my car.
00:19:05.04\00:19:06.34
I was like, "No, no, no, no, no.
00:19:06.34\00:19:07.61
You need to explain
to me why I need to pay
00:19:07.61\00:19:09.94
just only for
the transportation,
00:19:09.94\00:19:11.31
because you give
me the full service."
00:19:11.31\00:19:13.38
- [John] Yeah.
00:19:13.38\00:19:14.22
- Right.
00:19:14.22\00:19:15.02
- And she said like, "No, no.
00:19:15.02\00:19:16.42
the service is on me, so
you don't need to pay for that.
00:19:16.42\00:19:20.02
It's free for me."
00:19:20.02\00:19:21.09
And I was like,
"No, no, no, no, no.
00:19:21.09\00:19:22.39
You are not family,
you're not even my family.
00:19:22.39\00:19:25.19
How come you give that?"
00:19:25.19\00:19:25.99
- Yeah, what's in it to you?
00:19:25.99\00:19:27.40
- Free for me.
00:19:27.40\00:19:28.43
- Right.
00:19:28.43\00:19:29.23
- You need to explain to me.
00:19:29.23\00:19:30.60
And she's just like, "Listen,
Sandy, everything is free."
00:19:30.60\00:19:31.93
I was like, "I know, but I
just don't want to accept this."
00:19:31.93\00:19:35.70
And she just like,
she holding my shoulders
00:19:35.70\00:19:38.77
and she just
like, "Listen to me."
00:19:38.77\00:19:41.18
I was like, "Okay, I
want to listen to you.
00:19:41.18\00:19:43.35
You need to explain, right?"
00:19:43.35\00:19:44.98
Okay, she just
crying, like, listen to me.
00:19:44.98\00:19:47.32
- [John] She's crying.
00:19:47.32\00:19:48.15
- She's crying.
00:19:48.15\00:19:49.45
- [John] Okay.
00:19:49.45\00:19:50.72
She just like, shaking.
00:19:50.72\00:19:52.29
- [John] Emotional.
00:19:52.29\00:19:53.22
- Emotional, right?
00:19:53.22\00:19:54.82
- [John] Yeah, yeah.
00:19:54.82\00:19:56.22
- She looking at my
eyes, she says, "Listen to me."
00:19:56.22\00:19:57.73
I was like, "Okay, I
want to listen to you."
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The day before you came, right?
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God come on my dream.
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- Yeah.
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- God give me all of the list.
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Even the color of
the casket that you want.
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So that's why I
give you the white one,
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because you want that,
God says you want that.
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And God says,
"Give everything for her
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because her life?"
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- Her soul.
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- "Her soul is
really." What God said?
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- Precious.
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- "It's really precious to me."
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- Wow.
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- So you need to
accept everything
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because I don't
want to charge you
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because God don't
let me to charge you.
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And I was like, I just
really in tears at the moment,
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because I know like,
wow, even the casket color.
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He give the detail, right?
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The detail and I was like, wow,
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He's really the Alpha and Omega.
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He knows that what I
want and its really strike me
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and from that moment I was like,
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I'm telling my husband,
"Now you are the leader, right?"
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Because God's
strike will talk to you.
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Everything that He
will bring me and you,
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if God grace, I
will be your partner.
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Everything that He wants
me to go with you, I will go.
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I will teach the kids,
I will teach everything
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I will learn
everything because you know,
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that situation
is really bring me,
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especially the words, God says,
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"Your soul is precious to Him."
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I was like, wow.
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Yeah, my soul
is precious to Him?
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And then when I'm
scared in my life,
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scared to believing on Him,
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He's already believing on me.
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- Wow.
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- Yeah.
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- When I don't have that
faith to believing on Him,
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He already have the
faith of believe in me
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and He said maybe like, "Hey,
I know that you can do it."
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- [John] Wow.
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- I know that you can make it.
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- [John] Wow.
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- And I was like,
"God, you are amazing."
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And you know like people,
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maybe when people
looking at me like,
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why you always crying
when you share the testimony.
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I know who I am, right?
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I know I'm a sinful person,
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raised from the
messed up in society family.
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And then how God like that want
to search me in my position.
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- [John] Yeah.
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- And then tell that, "No,
for me, you are so precious."
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- [John] Wow.
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- And it's really like,
wow, let me work with you.
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Let me do anything.
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- He won your heart?
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- [Shandy] Anything
that you want me to do.
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- So you won your heart?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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He won my heart.
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- And then after God
has proven Himself able,
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to provide 1000 ways
of which we know not one,
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- [John] Right.
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- Now we become
more confident in him.
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- [John] Right.
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- Not in ourselves anymore.
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- Not confidence like the
confidence, but we have that.
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- We have confidence
in Him, not in us anymore.
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- [John] Right.
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- He is there,
everything's gonna be okay.
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Even if He needs to
put us in the deep crisis,
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not because He doesn't love us,
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but He want us to understand,
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to see that He
never gonna let us go.
00:22:58.81\00:23:02.58
- [John] Wow.
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- So you, at one
time in your life,
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you had a lot of
faith in your money.
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- Yeah.
00:23:08.12\00:23:09.25
- And now you
have faith in your God,
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which one's better?
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- Oh, it's relying upon God,
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it's actually the happiest life.
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- Yeah.
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- When we rely on
money, yes, we trust money,
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but it's just like,
the worry just never stops.
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That's not a happy life.
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- I look at you now and
you guys have this peace
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and you're holding hands.
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And I look at your
pictures from when,
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before I knew you.
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- [Shandy] Yeah.
00:23:32.51\00:23:33.74
- [Ramon] Yeah.
00:23:33.74\00:23:34.81
- You have this look
where it's not the same.
00:23:34.81\00:23:36.54
- Yeah.
00:23:36.54\00:23:37.35
- From our side, watching you,
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'cause we met you in 2011
and for the next 10 years,
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we watched you and for nine
years, we really wanted to help.
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But it felt like
God was holding us back.
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Of course we were going through
00:23:51.99\00:23:54.23
the wilderness
experience also for ourselves
00:23:54.23\00:23:56.06
and God was
sponging out, clearing out
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our attachments
to trusting in money.
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I didn't have as much money
as you did, but I had some.
00:24:04.57\00:24:08.01
And of course my
own, oh, what's the word?
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- Self-reliance.
00:24:11.38\00:24:12.18
- Self-reliance yeah, yeah.
00:24:12.18\00:24:13.28
Being the husband and
all that kind of stuff.
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So similar experience.
00:24:14.85\00:24:16.22
But then like 2020, it's
like the switch happened.
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You're to point where
at the lightning had hit
00:24:20.76\00:24:22.69
your satellite
and knocked out some
00:24:22.69\00:24:24.29
- Yeah, it was March 2020.
00:24:24.29\00:24:26.23
- And you were behind in
paying the satellite bills.
00:24:26.23\00:24:29.00
You were telling me, he says,
00:24:29.00\00:24:30.87
"I think it's time
that we shut it down."
00:24:30.87\00:24:33.00
- That's right.
That's what I said, yeah.
00:24:33.00\00:24:35.27
- Yeah and I remember
feeling this kind of anger
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'cause righteous indignation.
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It's like, okay, well,
if we choose to shut it down
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because God directs us to
shut it down, then that's fine.
00:24:42.48\00:24:46.55
But just because
of lack of money,
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no, that's a defeat.
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And so we prayed really hard.
00:24:51.12\00:24:53.96
Our team prayed here and the
Lord gave us the inspiration,
00:24:53.96\00:24:58.19
that it's not time yet.
00:24:58.19\00:25:00.83
And so we presented it
to our wonderful viewers
00:25:01.90\00:25:06.27
and the Lord just moved.
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And so now you've got the
satellite in a good position
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and now God is
fulfilling the other vision.
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And you bought an airplane.
00:25:16.98\00:25:17.98
- Yeah.
00:25:17.98\00:25:18.81
- Yes.
00:25:18.81\00:25:19.65
- Through a miracle.
00:25:19.65\00:25:20.48
- Yeah.
00:25:20.48\00:25:21.32
- Absolute miracle.
00:25:21.32\00:25:22.12
And so God's opening the doors.
00:25:22.12\00:25:22.98
- Yes.
00:25:22.98\00:25:24.32
- Because He's
tested us and you,
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it's not about money.
00:25:26.52\00:25:27.66
- Yeah, it's not about money.
00:25:28.72\00:25:29.56
- Yeah.
00:25:29.56\00:25:30.39
- It's about our faith.
00:25:30.39\00:25:31.23
- Right, exactly.
00:25:31.23\00:25:32.03
- It's about how great He is.
00:25:32.03\00:25:33.63
- [All] Yeah.
00:25:33.63\00:25:34.66
- And how capable
and trustworthy He is.
00:25:34.66\00:25:35.60
- [All] Yeah.
00:25:35.60\00:25:36.43
- God gives us money,
00:25:36.43\00:25:37.33
but so that we can use it,
00:25:39.23\00:25:40.84
but He doesn't want
the money to own us.
00:25:40.84\00:25:43.24
- Right.
00:25:44.57\00:25:45.67
- Honestly, when
we get to heaven,
00:25:45.67\00:25:46.47
we're all gonna be billionaires.
00:25:46.47\00:25:48.08
Trillionaires, you know?
00:25:48.08\00:25:48.88
- And then it won't matter.
00:25:48.88\00:25:50.35
- Absolutely not.
00:25:50.35\00:25:51.71
- Because He's the
one who owns everything.
00:25:51.71\00:25:53.21
- Right.
00:25:53.21\00:25:54.48
And we have the same experience,
00:25:54.48\00:25:55.85
the same with you guys
that, when I had a regular job,
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I stressed more about money,
00:26:00.12\00:26:01.76
- [Ramon] That's right.
00:26:01.76\00:26:02.99
- Than I do now that,
00:26:03.96\00:26:05.49
when we don't
have the regular job.
00:26:05.49\00:26:07.03
Because know Him.
00:26:07.03\00:26:08.46
- Yeah.
00:26:08.46\00:26:09.30
- Yeah, we know Him.
00:26:09.30\00:26:10.37
- Like right now, God puts us
00:26:10.37\00:26:12.07
in our previous
00:26:12.07\00:26:13.97
- Society.
00:26:13.97\00:26:14.80
- Society.
00:26:14.80\00:26:15.87
You just cannot
understand anymore.
00:26:15.87\00:26:17.31
Like, you know?
00:26:17.31\00:26:18.17
- Why it was so important.
00:26:19.07\00:26:21.08
- [John] Now,
that feels foreign.
00:26:21.08\00:26:21.94
- Yeah.
00:26:21.94\00:26:23.18
- Yeah, it's like a
foreign concept already.
00:26:23.18\00:26:24.01
- It's just like, why?
00:26:24.01\00:26:25.95
- We would know
how to do it anymore.
00:26:25.95\00:26:28.08
- Maybe people think like
00:26:28.08\00:26:29.15
look at her she's
enjoying, no, I'm not.
00:26:29.15\00:26:30.75
Sit down there,
at the same time,
00:26:30.75\00:26:33.42
you know that the
money can buy people food
00:26:33.42\00:26:36.32
in the other side.
00:26:36.32\00:26:37.96
- Oh yeah.
00:26:37.96\00:26:39.03
- In this side they
just only buy the drink.
00:26:39.03\00:26:41.73
- [John] Yeah.
00:26:41.73\00:26:42.53
- The drink is so expensive.
00:26:42.53\00:26:43.93
- [John] Yeah.
00:26:43.93\00:26:45.23
- And then the
food is so expensive,
00:26:45.23\00:26:46.33
you know that
because you've been exposed
00:26:46.33\00:26:47.44
with this kind of
the other world, right?
00:26:47.44\00:26:49.84
- Right, it's so much more.
00:26:49.84\00:26:51.57
- It's just like burden.
00:26:51.57\00:26:53.01
- Fulfilling.
00:26:53.01\00:26:54.51
- Fulfilling.
00:26:54.51\00:26:55.31
So that's why, when people say,
00:26:55.31\00:26:56.41
Are you really want
to come back to this?"
00:26:56.41\00:26:58.25
I don't think so.
00:26:58.25\00:26:59.78
That's very foreign for us.
00:26:59.78\00:27:02.12
- You seen the emptiness of it.
00:27:02.12\00:27:04.49
And you found
where fulfillment lies.
00:27:05.59\00:27:07.46
- [Shandy] Yeah, yeah.
00:27:07.46\00:27:08.72
- Yes, and now
God's adding to you
00:27:08.72\00:27:09.79
not only the
satellite and the airplane,
00:27:09.79\00:27:11.99
but also the
health retreat ministry.
00:27:11.99\00:27:14.36
- Yeah, we're working on it.
00:27:14.36\00:27:16.43
- God's gonna provide, right?
00:27:16.43\00:27:18.27
- Yes.
00:27:18.27\00:27:19.43
- [Shandy] Yeah.
00:27:19.43\00:27:20.27
- He always does.
00:27:20.27\00:27:21.10
- [John] Amen.
00:27:21.10\00:27:22.20
- Well, I wanna
thank you so much
00:27:22.20\00:27:23.47
for being here and
sharing more of your story
00:27:23.47\00:27:25.14
and I know we could
keep talking for hours.
00:27:25.14\00:27:27.34
So next time you
come back to America,
00:27:27.34\00:27:29.28
we'll have to talk again.
00:27:29.28\00:27:31.01
But we just really
appreciate the glimpses
00:27:31.01\00:27:34.05
into what God has been
teaching you in your lives
00:27:34.05\00:27:36.62
about what's
really important to him.
00:27:36.62\00:27:38.92
And I would like
to invite our viewers
00:27:38.92\00:27:40.49
to pray for Ramon and
Shandy and their family
00:27:40.49\00:27:42.69
as they
continue you to serve God
00:27:42.69\00:27:44.86
and the people of Indonesia.
00:27:44.86\00:27:46.76
And if you would
like more information,
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you can get ahold
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