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- Hello and welcome
to Jesus For Asia Now.
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I'm Natalie Wood and today
my husband Jon is here with me.
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And we're gonna do a
little bit different show today,
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it's little bit
of dreaming maybe,
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bit of a travelog,
welcome to the show dear.
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- Hi darling, good to be here.
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- You went on a trip. - Yeah.
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- And that's what we
wanna share about today,
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some
possibilities, some learning,
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maybe some language
culture kind of learning.
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- Yeah, mm-hmm.
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- Sights and sounds. - Yeah.
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- Where are we going today?
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- Well, I wanna
share a little bit about
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why I'm going to these places.
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And a lot of times, what
is the motive of our travel?
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For me, I find myself going
back to the same spot a lot.
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Of course we have ministries,
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we have projects there
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and so we just keep
going back to the same spot
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and I think as a church
we tend to, or as humans,
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we tend to go
back to what we know.
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And so I wanted
to look into places
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that we aren't doing anything.
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A lot of times we
talk about all the things
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that we've
accomplished and all the things,
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all the mission outreach
projects that we're doing.
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And so we kinda get the
feeling or the impression
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that a lot's
being done overseas.
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A lot of money's going,
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there's a lot of ministries
involved in overseas work,
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but in the actuality when
you look at the big picture,
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there's hardly
anything being done,
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to reach the unreached,
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to reach the major
population centers of the world.
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- There are a lot of areas
where nothing is being done.
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- Exactly. - Basically.
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- Every week we talk
about finishing the work
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and there's a lot of places
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where I'd love to
see the work start.
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- So you're looking
at where the need is,
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not just where
the work is already?
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- Right.
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- [Natalie] So, do you
wanna explain to us this map,
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what are we seeing here?
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- [Jon] Yeah, so
the yellow is the land.
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(Jon chuckles)
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And the red spots are
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where the
population density is higher,
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you know, like, certain number
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of people per square
kilometer or something.
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- Okay. - So like in the outback
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of Australia, the
center of Australia,
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there's nobody,
so that's all yellow.
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You know, in South
Dakota, North Dakota,
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the people are
really spread out,
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so you're not gonna see
any red in those places.
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But in places
like China, in Java,
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the island of Java in
Indonesia in the South there,
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just over from
Australia. - It's all red.
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- It's all red.
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I mean, like, a lot
of people in one place.
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And so one of the
highest density population
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centers in the world,
is there in Northern India.
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- Yeah. - Okay,
it's that crescent
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right below Nepal, and
even though that's got the most
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number of people, I mean,
the numbers just are staggering,
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of how many people are up there.
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Like in one, one
union, the North India union,
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has 650 million people.
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That's twice the
population of the United States.
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- Wow. - In one union.
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That's not a division.
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- Yeah. - That's just one union.
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And guess how many pastors they
have for 650 million people?
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- I hate to guess.
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'Cause we have 4000.
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- [Jon] Yeah, in the
North American division.
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- Right. - They
have less than 100.
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- Wow.
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Wow. - And so the numbers just,
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they're just-- -
Boggle the mind, yeah.
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- They were like, who is
sufficient for these things?
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- Right, no one
but God and His spirit.
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- Yeah. - And by His spirit
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He can open doors
that man can walk through.
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- And that's what
we're wanting to do.
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- Right. - Is, you know,
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there's that statement
of there's a need for people
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to push the
victories of the cross.
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And even Paul was
talking about you know,
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in Romans, he's like,
everybody around here,
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there's other people
that can do this work,
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but where is the
work not being done?
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And so, he was
wanting to go to Spain.
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And that was
God's will for his life,
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accept that his
life was cut short,
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but anyway, that's kind of like,
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where are we not doing this?
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So that's the reason
for this trip that I took.
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- Okay. - And so we launched
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up from Mumbai.
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And looking out
of the plane window,
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you see a slum
type of dwelling there.
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As we lift off, we
look off into the distance,
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we see high rises.
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If we look to the left
here, in the bottom left corner
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of the screen, you
can see how the slum
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is right up against
these big high rises.
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And so you see this big mixture,
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this big disparity
between the ultra poor
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and the wealthy.
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It's a huge city, a metropolitan
area of 20 million people.
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It's the size of New York.
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Massive city, and we'll
get to that in another show.
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Beautiful cloud
formations you can see
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are coming from
Mumbai, straight up,
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it's about a two hour flight.
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And now we're zooming
into the state of Punjab.
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- Okay. - And we're coming
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to the city of Amritsar.
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- Okay. - So we've come in,
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we land, here's the
airport, very modern airport.
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And this is my taxi
driver I got from the airport
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to my hotel with an Uber taxi.
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- Okay. (they laugh)
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- And he had a
turban and everything.
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So he took me to my
hotel through the Gandhi gate,
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coming into
Amritsar, passed the tree,
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where they're
selling a lot of things.
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(he laughs)
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It's a banyan
tree, really cool tree.
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And then this is my hotel.
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- Okay. - So many times we see
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pictures, but it's
hard to imagine the feeling
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of being there,
you know, in the mix.
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- Right. - And look around
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and there's things happening
and the smell and the heat
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and everything like that.
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- We can't share the
smell or the heat today.
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But, we can share
the sights and sounds.
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- Yeah. - So, we have a video.
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- [Jon] Okay.
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So I was just
walking down the street,
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and videotaping as I
went, because it's so different.
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It's so, you know,
you walk across the street
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and you just weave
yourself through the traffic,
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'cause otherwise,
you'll never get across.
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- [Natalie] Right. (he laughs)
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- [Jon] And just
walking down the side walk,
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it's such a different feeling.
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And the people are friendly,
they're open, they're warm.
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As I was walking, I
saw this guy come up to his
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Royal Enfield motorcycle.
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- [Natalie] But you have
told me that this is really
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an unusual bike.
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So, they still have those?
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- [Jon] Yeah, they do.
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But it was neat
just to talk to him,
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and you know, you look
at him, he's a normal guy.
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- Yeah. - Put him in Australia,
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or America, he's
gonna fit right in.
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And now his Mother comes along.
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Hops on.
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- Yeah. - Then that night,
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I went walking out to
go to the Golden Temple.
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- Okay, what is that?
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- I'll show you. - Okay.
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- 'Cause you have to
see it to believe it.
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- Okay. - It's amazing.
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So that night, I'm walking down,
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this is obviously after dark,
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around eight or
nine o'clock at night.
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Most of the people
had already gone passed.
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I was a little bit
tired and so I had rested.
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This is what I saw.
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You know, then
people started coming.
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More and more people.
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The crowds got a little thicker.
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I love the way
she's riding on the back,
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you know, side saddle.
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Big broad streets,
and then I started seeing
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these massive statues and stuff.
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It was like, wow.
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And there's this.
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That's like, wow, and then--
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- [Natalie] There's a
lot of motion in that one.
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- [Jon] Yeah.
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And then this
bus, look at this bus.
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I mean, it's-- - Full.
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On top and bottom. -
Yeah, it's a double decker.
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- Yeah. - Converted.
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And then more and more people.
- Was this a festival time?
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- No. - Like, a special holiday?
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- No, it was just a normal day.
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Not a special, nothing special,
this is just normal traffic.
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- Okay. - To go to this temple.
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- Oh, okay. - And of course,
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the Subway
there kind of made me,
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well it looked a little out
of place to be honest with you.
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- Yeah.
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- I knew if I had
any trouble, I you know,
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with the food,
I'd just go there.
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- Yeah. - This is the entrance
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to the temple. - Wow.
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- Yeah, and look
at all these people.
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They're just walking through
and people look like entire
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families are camped out
there, spending the night,
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and this is after we
come into the entrance,
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this is the temple.
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So inside this
entrance is this big square,
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with a big lake, and
in the middle of the lake,
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is this Golden
Temple. - The Golden Temple.
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- [Jon] And they
call it the Golden Temple
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for a very good reason.
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- It's gold - Yes.
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It's actually gold. - Wow.
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- [Jon] That's me.
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- [Natalie] And you have
something orange on your head.
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- In order to go in, you
have to take off your shoes.
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And they have this
little free shoe bank thing,
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where you-- -
Check your shoes in.
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- Check your shoes in,
and they give you a little
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metal number. - Okay.
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- And then you walk through
this disinfectant little pool,
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it's about that deep,
just to get the disinfectant
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off your feet
and then you go in.
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- You mean you get the
disinfectant on your feet?
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- Yeah, the germs. -
You disinfect your feet.
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- Get your germs off your feet.
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- Okay. - And
then you have to have
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something on your
head. - A head covering.
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- So this guy sold me
this little orange head scarf.
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And here's some worshipers.
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Now, what's
unique about this temple,
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in this religion, is
they don't worship idols.
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- Really? - Yeah.
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They've got a big book, I
mean, it's a massive book.
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And inside is the
writings of their sages
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from generations ago.
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They had like seven very
wise sages that wrote down
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all their thoughts
and they put it in a book,
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and they don't worship the book,
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but that's what's on display,
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and they venerate the book.
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They have
miracles in their history.
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A man was coming to
save a part of his kingdom.
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He got in a battle, he
got his head chopped off,
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so he carried
his head in his hand
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and went and saved
the kingdom anyway.
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The pool has healing
powers, so you'll see people
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going into the pool, like
Pool of Bethesda, basically,
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to get healed and
a lot of teachings.
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Teaching and
educating the people.
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They walk around with a
little dagger in their belt,
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so they have
the, - Head covering.
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- Head covering, the
big beard and the dagger.
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- Okay. - Now, we
have a good friend
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in Bangkok who
was a former Sikh.
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And he's now a
wonderful Adventist.
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Just a wonderful family.
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A lot of God's
people live there.
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- Right. - So,
as I was coming home
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the streets were darker,
and I went through a different
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section of town, and found this
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dress shop, yeah. - Dress shops.
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- [Jon] And you look at
this, this looks like you know,
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what are those,
close up, it's like,
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just a lot of shoes. - Shoes.
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(they laugh)
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- [Jon] And then this place,
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- They sell the
daggers. - They sell the dag--
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- And the swords. - Yeah.
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- Long swords, wow. - Yeah.
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And then more clothes,
just lots and lots of--
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- Textiles, yeah. - Yeah.
00:11:00.99\00:11:03.19
- Garments. - It
was Friday night,
00:11:03.19\00:11:04.29
so I didn't buy anything.
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I would have loved to
buy you something beautiful.
00:11:05.66\00:11:08.13
- Well, that's okay.
00:11:08.13\00:11:09.23
- Next time, I'll
take you out there.
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Maybe we can try it
on. - That would be nice.
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- The next day was Sabbath.
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So I walked to church.
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- Okay. - And this is some
00:11:17.91\00:11:19.41
of the sights and sounds
as I was walking to church.
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- Okay. - We have a man.
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- A pedal taxi. - Yep.
00:11:24.05\00:11:25.91
And then this guy, with--
- I feel sorry for the horse.
00:11:25.91\00:11:28.98
- I know.
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And then here's a Sikh person,
00:11:30.22\00:11:32.12
I asked if I
could take his picture,
00:11:32.12\00:11:33.66
and he said, "I
don't know why, but sure."
00:11:33.66\00:11:36.46
So, I took his
picture, you know.
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Now, this is just standing
on the side of the road,
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this is just a
normal (horn beeps loudly)
00:11:41.66\00:11:44.50
road side scene.
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Now, you can't feel
the heat, can't smell,
00:11:48.17\00:11:49.80
but just, here's a
young couple, getting a taxi.
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Obviously they're
going somewhere on a weekend,
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or an extended trip.
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And so the guy that
was in the taxi already,
00:11:57.01\00:11:59.08
gets out and goes
and sits with the driver,
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and then they can get in.
00:12:01.25\00:12:02.88
And this guy's
asking if I could,
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if I need a ride.
00:12:05.25\00:12:06.72
And then, just
this is normal life.
00:12:06.72\00:12:11.09
- Yeah. - There.
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Here's a bicycle repair shop.
00:12:13.09\00:12:16.23
- Okay. - With
his tools spread out.
00:12:16.23\00:12:17.73
(she laughs)
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- Ready for anything. - Uh-huh.
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Another shot of the street.
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And you can see a couple
of guys hauling their stuff.
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Here's a man,
this is a moving truck.
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Taking some pipes
to a construction site.
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I walked over an overpass,
main thoroughfare into town,
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and then main train tracks.
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- Okay. - And this is a shot
00:12:39.45\00:12:41.12
looking down on one
section of the city.
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Just a couple more
shots, and then here we are,
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at the Adventist church. - Nice.
00:12:46.66\00:12:48.80
- And we come
inside. - It's nice building.
00:12:48.80\00:12:50.80
- It was really hot,
but it wasn't hot enough
00:12:50.80\00:12:53.50
to turn on the AC's.
00:12:53.50\00:12:55.50
(they laugh)
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So, it's what
you're used to. - Right.
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- So they have the fans running,
and right across the aisle
00:12:59.57\00:13:02.58
was a man wearing a turban.
00:13:02.58\00:13:05.08
- Okay. - And it's kind of neat
00:13:05.08\00:13:06.41
to see when you travel to
different parts of the world,
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you see people from
different backgrounds.
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That's your brother.
00:13:10.85\00:13:11.99
- Mm-hmm. - You know, we have
00:13:11.99\00:13:13.12
the same God,
same Christ, same hope,
00:13:13.12\00:13:17.69
same opportunity for salvation.
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- Yeah, that's neat.
00:13:19.63\00:13:21.83
- They had Sabbath school,
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here's a little
bit of their singing.
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(singing in foreign language)
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It's not a song
that I recognize,
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it's a different
style that I'm used to,
00:14:02.04\00:14:04.47
but it really
touched their hearts.
00:14:04.47\00:14:05.91
- Mm-hmm, it's always
interesting to me to see the
00:14:05.91\00:14:08.88
types of music and hear
it in different languages.
00:14:08.88\00:14:11.31
- Yes. - I love
to hear the songs
00:14:11.31\00:14:13.11
that they sing in
different languages.
00:14:13.11\00:14:14.65
It sounds similar
to a song I've heard
00:14:14.65\00:14:16.95
in other areas of
India, in other languages.
00:14:16.95\00:14:19.95
But I couldn't tell
you if it really is,
00:14:19.95\00:14:22.29
because it's a
totally different language.
00:14:22.29\00:14:23.93
- Yeah. - So.
00:14:23.93\00:14:24.83
(he laughs) But it's
also a different style.
00:14:26.33\00:14:27.36
- Right. - And it
reaches their heart.
00:14:27.36\00:14:29.30
- Right. - It's their heart
00:14:29.30\00:14:30.27
style or language.
00:14:30.27\00:14:32.00
After church, they
invited me to pot luck.
00:14:32.00\00:14:34.24
- Nice. - And so
we had tamarind rice,
00:14:34.24\00:14:36.81
and some rasam or
something, I forgot what else.
00:14:36.81\00:14:39.87
And of course, naan.
00:14:39.87\00:14:41.44
- Okay. - Naan.
00:14:41.44\00:14:42.61
- [Natalie] Naan.
00:14:42.61\00:14:43.51
Yum.
00:14:44.45\00:14:45.81
- We fellowshiped for a
while, I walked back home,
00:14:45.81\00:14:48.65
read and prayed and
tried not to die from the heat.
00:14:48.65\00:14:52.92
And then that evening, I went
out looking for a restaurant.
00:14:52.92\00:14:55.62
And down this little tiny alley,
00:14:55.62\00:14:57.36
I found this
Punjab Dhaba restaurant.
00:14:57.36\00:15:00.86
- Okay. - And went inside,
00:15:00.86\00:15:02.90
and it doesn't look like
much, but it was so tasty.
00:15:02.90\00:15:06.53
- Yeah, it looks like
it's a little bit spicy
00:15:06.53\00:15:09.57
to me actually.
00:15:09.57\00:15:11.04
(they laugh)
00:15:11.04\00:15:12.41
- It wasn't very spicy.
00:15:12.41\00:15:13.78
- Oh, that's good.
00:15:13.78\00:15:14.61
- To me. - Okay.
00:15:14.61\00:15:16.51
Yeah, your tastes are
little bit different from mine.
00:15:16.51\00:15:18.78
(he laughs)
00:15:18.78\00:15:19.81
- It looks like
maybe paratha you had.
00:15:19.81\00:15:21.82
- Yes, it's a paratha, done
differently than in South India.
00:15:21.82\00:15:24.89
- Right. - It was oily,
00:15:24.89\00:15:26.25
but just really good,
and across the aisle again,
00:15:26.25\00:15:29.06
was a man that
you don't normally,
00:15:29.06\00:15:31.69
you know, dressed
in a style of dress
00:15:31.69\00:15:33.06
you don't normally see
00:15:33.06\00:15:33.93
here in America. - Right, right.
00:15:33.93\00:15:35.50
- And I liked
that, I liked that.
00:15:35.50\00:15:37.23
And then after the meal,
they brought me the desert.
00:15:37.23\00:15:40.34
- [Natalie] Okay, looks
like, is that ice cubes,
00:15:40.34\00:15:44.64
or salt cubes, or sugar cubes?
00:15:44.64\00:15:46.31
- Sugar cubes. -
Okay, and then the fennel
00:15:46.31\00:15:48.64
on the right side.
00:15:48.64\00:15:49.88
- Yeah, fennel is a traditional
way throughout India,
00:15:49.88\00:15:52.45
where you finish your
meal with a little refresher.
00:15:52.45\00:15:54.98
- Yeah, kind of a
breath mint, almost.
00:15:54.98\00:15:57.82
- Yeah, yeah.
00:15:57.82\00:15:58.99
So, I didn't eat all of it.
00:15:58.99\00:16:00.89
- Okay, that's good.
00:16:00.89\00:16:02.62
You wouldn#t have teeth now.
00:16:02.62\00:16:04.36
(they laugh)
00:16:04.36\00:16:06.06
- And by the time I
came out, it had rained.
00:16:06.06\00:16:07.96
- Oh, okay. - And
so we went back to my
00:16:07.96\00:16:09.80
hotel in the rain.
00:16:09.80\00:16:11.00
On the way back, I
found some guava juice,
00:16:11.00\00:16:13.00
and I was thirsty, so I
bought this little guava juice.
00:16:13.00\00:16:15.54
And something was wrong with it,
00:16:15.54\00:16:17.57
I was drinking it and
was like, "Whoa, something--"
00:16:17.57\00:16:19.94
- Is it bad?
00:16:19.94\00:16:20.94
- Yeah, is it bad?
00:16:20.94\00:16:22.08
It had a little,
it felt like you know,
00:16:22.08\00:16:23.48
a little bite to it.
00:16:23.48\00:16:25.31
And I'm like, "What
is wrong with this?"
00:16:25.31\00:16:26.72
But it smelled okay, and then
I looked closer at the label,
00:16:26.72\00:16:30.25
masala guava. - Masala!
00:16:30.25\00:16:31.52
(they laugh)
00:16:32.82\00:16:33.66
- Spicy guava drink.
00:16:33.66\00:16:35.39
(they laughs)
00:16:35.39\00:16:36.56
It was spicy drink.
00:16:36.56\00:16:38.26
- Traditional Indian
flavor though, masala.
00:16:38.26\00:16:41.30
- Yes, yes, and after
I understood what it was,
00:16:41.30\00:16:43.33
it wasn't so bad!
00:16:43.33\00:16:45.13
(he laughs)
00:16:45.13\00:16:46.50
But very different, and I
like the variety, you know?
00:16:46.50\00:16:51.07
It's kind of interesting.
00:16:51.87\00:16:52.77
- Okay.
00:16:52.77\00:16:53.84
- The next day,
'cause I'd gone up there
00:16:53.84\00:16:55.61
with the plan to meet the
President of that section.
00:16:55.61\00:16:58.78
- Okay. - Okay.
00:16:58.78\00:16:59.91
And so the next day,
I got another Uber taxi.
00:16:59.91\00:17:03.72
And I drove from Amritsar
all the way to Jalandhar,
00:17:03.72\00:17:07.89
and the first
thing I did, of course,
00:17:07.89\00:17:09.62
was have breakfast,
it was all I could find.
00:17:09.62\00:17:11.59
- Okay. - Asia's not real
00:17:11.59\00:17:13.03
big on breakfast. - No.
00:17:13.03\00:17:15.06
- You know, so I found
that and I got my Uber taxi,
00:17:15.06\00:17:17.50
and we drove the
two and a half hours.
00:17:17.50\00:17:19.27
This is the gate
leaving the city.
00:17:19.27\00:17:21.04
- Wow. - And I
wanted to show you
00:17:21.04\00:17:22.80
what I saw on the
way, of a family vehicle.
00:17:22.80\00:17:26.34
This is a SUV.
00:17:26.34\00:17:28.74
(they laugh) Sport utility.
00:17:28.74\00:17:30.51
- [Natalie] Oh, but
it's scary that that child
00:17:30.51\00:17:31.98
is standing on there. - Yeah.
00:17:31.98\00:17:34.12
This is slow-mo of
course, you know, so.
00:17:34.12\00:17:35.68
- [Natalie] Right, they weren't
actually driving that slow.
00:17:35.68\00:17:37.92
- [Jon] No.
00:17:37.92\00:17:39.52
- Wow. - It's not something
00:17:39.52\00:17:40.86
you see in America. - Nope.
00:17:40.86\00:17:42.26
- Okay. - Not
without them getting
00:17:42.26\00:17:44.39
pulled over and
everybody yelling at them
00:17:44.39\00:17:47.23
for endangering their
lives, and their child's life.
00:17:47.23\00:17:50.17
- Oh yeah. (she laughs)
00:17:50.17\00:17:51.63
Different
philosophy. - Lifestyle.
00:17:51.63\00:17:53.87
- Yeah. -
Different philosophy, yeah.
00:17:53.87\00:17:55.64
- Then this is the
North India section,
00:17:55.64\00:17:57.84
and headquarters
office, there in Jalandhar,
00:17:57.84\00:18:00.18
and that is over two states.
00:18:00.18\00:18:02.18
It's over Punjab, as
well as Jammu and Kashmir,
00:18:02.18\00:18:05.81
up in the north. - Okay.
00:18:05.81\00:18:07.15
- And we're not gonna talk
much about Jammu and Kashmir,
00:18:07.15\00:18:09.85
because it's two
reasons, number one,
00:18:09.85\00:18:12.25
it's highly contested.
00:18:12.25\00:18:14.02
If you look at the
border, a lot of, you know,
00:18:14.02\00:18:17.43
a lot of the state
is claimed by China.
00:18:17.43\00:18:19.73
And a lot of the
other part of the state
00:18:19.73\00:18:20.93
is claimed by Pakistan.
00:18:20.93\00:18:22.96
- Oh. - And so
there's been recent
00:18:22.96\00:18:24.90
fighting between India and
Pakistan, in that area there.
00:18:24.90\00:18:29.10
There's only about
10 or 11 million people
00:18:30.21\00:18:32.14
that live in Jammu and Kashmir.
00:18:32.14\00:18:34.34
- Only. - Yeah, but I figure,
00:18:34.34\00:18:35.61
you know, two million
people per Bible worker,
00:18:35.61\00:18:38.51
that's not bad. -
That's really bad.
00:18:38.51\00:18:40.62
- That's really
bad. - That's really bad.
00:18:40.62\00:18:42.52
- Yeah.
00:18:42.52\00:18:44.02
So, as you go into new areas,
00:18:44.02\00:18:46.82
you see more areas to go into.
00:18:46.82\00:18:50.36
- Right.
00:18:50.36\00:18:51.26
- So then I met with the pastor,
00:18:52.36\00:18:54.03
this is Pastor
Kishore Gill. - Okay.
00:18:54.03\00:18:56.60
- The current President
of the North India section.
00:18:56.60\00:19:00.47
- Okay. - And a wonderful man,
00:19:00.47\00:19:03.04
this was a Sunday,
they're all dressed up,
00:19:03.04\00:19:05.41
and then I also met
the ministerial director,
00:19:05.41\00:19:08.91
- Okay. - Of that same section.
00:19:08.91\00:19:11.21
And we had a wonderful
talk, we spent about five hours
00:19:11.21\00:19:13.35
together talking, and
brainstorming and praying,
00:19:13.35\00:19:16.28
and fellowshipping
and eating together.
00:19:16.28\00:19:18.82
There's this little map
that was pinned up on his wall.
00:19:18.82\00:19:21.12
This is the
Jammu and Kashmir map.
00:19:21.12\00:19:23.43
And some day, I'm
gonna rent one of those
00:19:23.43\00:19:25.93
Royal Enfield motorcycles,
and travel that road.
00:19:25.93\00:19:29.10
That is, you know, because
there's people out there,
00:19:30.50\00:19:33.10
that God knows, but I don't.
00:19:33.10\00:19:34.87
- Yep. - And
this map doesn't show
00:19:34.87\00:19:37.41
it, but where that one road
that goes off to the right is,
00:19:37.41\00:19:40.94
that's like the Himalayas.
00:19:40.94\00:19:42.48
- Oh, okay. - So
it's like big, steep
00:19:43.65\00:19:45.18
mountains and ravines
and stuff like that, so.
00:19:45.18\00:19:48.38
- Not a huge population.
- No, no not over there.
00:19:48.38\00:19:51.99
And so we don't, but
there's a few towns over there,
00:19:51.99\00:19:54.32
and we don't have any Bible.
00:19:54.32\00:19:55.42
There are no Bible,
there is no Adventist
00:19:55.42\00:19:57.26
presence in that area. - Okay.
00:19:57.26\00:19:59.43
- The only Adventist presence
is like on the left hand side,
00:19:59.43\00:20:02.93
the Western side,
five Bible workers.
00:20:02.93\00:20:05.53
That's it, for the entire state.
00:20:05.53\00:20:08.30
Then this is Punjab.
00:20:08.30\00:20:09.77
You can see that it's separated
00:20:09.77\00:20:10.81
into about 23
different provinces.
00:20:10.81\00:20:12.54
- Okay. - When I've come through
00:20:12.54\00:20:13.91
in 2009, they told me
that the entire southern half
00:20:13.91\00:20:16.58
of the state of Punjab had
no Adventist work whatsoever.
00:20:16.58\00:20:19.75
Nothing. - Wow.
00:20:19.75\00:20:21.48
- But when you look
at the state of Punjab
00:20:21.48\00:20:24.92
from satellite, see
all those brown dots?
00:20:24.92\00:20:29.09
- Yeah. - Every
single one of those
00:20:29.09\00:20:30.76
is a city or a town or a
village, with people in it.
00:20:30.76\00:20:34.83
- Wow. - So, this is an area
00:20:34.83\00:20:36.46
where there's no Adventist work.
00:20:36.46\00:20:38.67
- And there's lots and
lots of town and villages.
00:20:38.67\00:20:40.97
- Huge.
00:20:40.97\00:20:42.80
Huge, wide open, and
as I zoom in, you can see,
00:20:42.80\00:20:45.74
suddenly start to
make out little features
00:20:45.74\00:20:47.64
of towns and villages.
00:20:47.64\00:20:49.34
- Wow. - While we were there,
00:20:49.34\00:20:51.21
what we talked about and
brainstormed and dreamed about,
00:20:51.21\00:20:54.02
was sending Bible
workers into those,
00:20:54.02\00:20:57.72
the far south west, okay.
00:20:57.72\00:21:01.42
No Adventist work
whatsoever right now.
00:21:01.42\00:21:04.19
But we wanna project those
Bible workers into that place
00:21:04.19\00:21:07.30
and start something.
00:21:07.30\00:21:08.70
- Wow.
00:21:09.76\00:21:10.90
- Anything's better
than nothing, right?
00:21:10.90\00:21:12.20
- Yep.
00:21:12.20\00:21:13.20
- So, that's our
dream, that's our hope.
00:21:13.20\00:21:16.30
On the far right of
that, in south eastern Punjab,
00:21:16.30\00:21:20.68
you'll see a
town called Patiala.
00:21:20.68\00:21:23.28
- Okay. - Okay, and the district
00:21:23.28\00:21:24.38
of Patiala, that's
a major city there.
00:21:24.38\00:21:26.98
And they had started
a congregation there,
00:21:26.98\00:21:29.58
several years back, and
they had the opportunity
00:21:29.58\00:21:34.46
to buy land and build a church,
00:21:34.46\00:21:37.79
for that fellowship,
that faith community.
00:21:37.79\00:21:40.03
- Okay. - And a company,
00:21:40.03\00:21:42.40
a group from
another country, from Korea,
00:21:42.40\00:21:44.67
had come in and said,
"We will give you the money
00:21:44.67\00:21:47.54
"to build this church, to buy
the land and build the church.
00:21:47.54\00:21:49.94
"But you have to give 10%
of the cost of the building
00:21:49.94\00:21:53.98
"from the local field."
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- Oh, wow. - Which was $4500.
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And so they've,
he's been looking,
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the President's been
looking and praying and begging
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and going all over.
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They cannot find
$4500 to build this church.
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- Oh.
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- So that kind of shows
you how desperately poor,
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- They are. - They
are, the church is.
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- So you shared
this at Faith Camp,
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- Yes. -
Recently, in the north west,
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and we had a donor
that came to you afterward,
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and they said, "If
this has not been funded,
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"I will send the money."
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- Yes. - And so we confirmed
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with Pastor Gill, that
this has not been funded,
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and no portion of
it, and so we told them,
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and they sent a
cheque for the full amount.
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- Yes. - So we are so thankful
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to God that we can be a
part of sending those funds,
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those funds are on
their way right now.
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- Yes. - Sending those funds,
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and we're looking
forward to getting
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pictures of that church.
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- Yes, and
Pastor Gill is so happy.
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Just so, you know,
for us, $4500, I mean,
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it's a chunk of
money, not nothing.
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But to see what it can do.
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- Yeah. - You
know, and that kind
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of impact to a
local faith community,
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where they're,
they're like in the minority.
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- Yeah. -
They're like, just a few.
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- Yeah. - You know, maybe 20
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or 30 or 50 people,
but in a state where
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there's 30 million people.
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You know, and they're
just some of the few, yes?
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- Yeah. - It's amazing.
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- It's huge.
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It's exciting.
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- It is. - It's
a definite praise.
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- Yes.
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So after spending a
few hours with the leaders
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of the church up
there, driving back,
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I'm just looking, you know,
this is the, the sun was setting
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a little bit, just being there,
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in a place where
there's so little light.
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There's so little
awareness of the second coming.
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Of the crisis
that's just at hand.
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You just start to,
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your heart just, you
just can't help looking
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out and saying, "How
many of these people,
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"have never had the chance
to hear the name of Jesus?
00:24:03.34\00:24:07.04
"How many of these
people have never had the chance
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"to hear that
Jesus is coming soon?"
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and the fact that
we can do something,
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and this is what I love about
going into unentered areas,
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that if we do just
one little tiny thing,
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it's something in
the place of nothing.
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You know, if we-- -
It's 100% improvement.
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- If we bring one
person into the truth,
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that's like an
infinite church growth.
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From zero to one,
that's not even 100%.
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That's from zero to one.
00:24:40.61\00:24:42.61
- Yeah, that's 100%.
00:24:42.61\00:24:44.61
- Well, one to
two, that would be 100%.
00:24:44.61\00:24:47.58
- Oh, that's true.
00:24:47.58\00:24:48.95
- But zero to one, that's
like an infinite percentage.
00:24:48.95\00:24:51.05
- That's true.
00:24:51.05\00:24:52.15
- And so it's
like, we have the chance
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to put something, to put
the truth, put a standard,
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to put God's love, in a
place, where there's nothing.
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- Yeah.
00:25:02.70\00:25:03.50
- I just felt a need to pray.
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So I spent the day
just beseeching the Lord,
00:25:05.87\00:25:08.40
just going after God,
saying, "Lord, give us Punjab.
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"Give us Punjab."
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And, you know, there's
something about praying
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for a foreign mission
field when you're here at home.
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It's a whole different thing
when you're actually there.
00:25:21.62\00:25:24.65
- And you're seeing it.
00:25:24.65\00:25:25.65
- Yes. - And
you're seeing the people
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and you're seeing
the way they live.
00:25:27.86\00:25:29.42
- Yes.
00:25:29.42\00:25:30.69
It's no longer just a statistic.
00:25:30.69\00:25:32.66
It's no longer just a number.
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It's that guy that you
know, his Mom lives in Punjab,
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he lives in Melbourne.
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It's the people that
served that paratha to me.
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I looked in
their face, you know,
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I know that they're
human, they have cares,
00:25:44.77\00:25:46.91
they have concerns.
00:25:46.91\00:25:48.64
They're just trying
to you know, get ahead,
00:25:48.64\00:25:50.41
they're just trying
to feed their family.
00:25:50.41\00:25:52.21
You know, it's
like, they're people.
00:25:52.21\00:25:54.25
And so that night as
I was driving you know,
00:25:54.25\00:25:56.22
to the, taking
another Uber to the airport,
00:25:56.22\00:26:00.92
I'm just asking
myself, "What can we do?
00:26:00.92\00:26:04.73
"What can we do for Punjab?"
00:26:04.73\00:26:06.43
- Well, we're gonna
start with Bible workers.
00:26:07.73\00:26:09.50
- Yes. - And the church.
00:26:09.50\00:26:11.13
- Yes. - And then we'll see
00:26:11.13\00:26:12.33
what God does. - There's also,
00:26:12.33\00:26:14.20
we talked to,
'cause think about it.
00:26:14.20\00:26:16.54
Bible workers, is a really
necessary and probably the most
00:26:16.54\00:26:21.61
effective, way of
bringing people to faith.
00:26:22.88\00:26:26.68
And spreading the light.
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But as far as planting seeds,
00:26:28.15\00:26:30.29
you're looking at
30 million people.
00:26:30.29\00:26:33.19
- That's true. -
How many Bible workers
00:26:33.19\00:26:34.46
will we need, to
reach 30 million people?
00:26:34.46\00:26:37.03
- A lot.
00:26:37.03\00:26:38.53
- So while the President and
I, and the ministerial director
00:26:38.53\00:26:41.13
were talking, I started
telling them what was happening
00:26:41.13\00:26:44.70
with our television
ministry in the south.
00:26:44.70\00:26:48.00
And telling him how easy it was.
00:26:48.00\00:26:50.21
And how inexpensive it
was, if we do it right.
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And they got so excited.
00:26:54.41\00:26:56.08
And so it's like that's another
things that's on the table
00:26:56.08\00:26:58.71
as let's figure out
if we can do television
00:26:58.71\00:27:02.98
in the state of Punjab.
00:27:02.98\00:27:04.75
- Wow.
00:27:04.75\00:27:05.65
That would be awesome.
00:27:06.65\00:27:07.72
- Oh my goodness.
00:27:07.72\00:27:08.92
- Throw the seed.
00:27:08.92\00:27:09.79
Throw the seed, yeah.
00:27:09.79\00:27:11.33
- And then our Bible
workers will be responding
00:27:11.33\00:27:13.23
to the interests, rather
than like doing the cold calls.
00:27:13.23\00:27:16.63
Yeah, they need to do that too,
00:27:16.63\00:27:18.67
- Right. - But this can like,
00:27:18.67\00:27:20.87
this is like, but
it'll be in a local language.
00:27:20.87\00:27:23.44
- Yeah. - Local language,
00:27:23.44\00:27:24.84
local people, local
cultural challenges.
00:27:24.84\00:27:28.38
- Local contacts. - Yes.
00:27:28.38\00:27:30.48
Yeah, it's really
what's necessary to reach
00:27:30.48\00:27:32.51
that population. - Wow.
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We have a lot of praying to do.
00:27:34.42\00:27:35.85
- Yes, we do.
00:27:35.85\00:27:36.75
- And I would like to invite you
00:27:37.72\00:27:39.22
to be a part of
this great opportunity.
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To pray for them, to do
whatever the Lord is asking
00:27:41.72\00:27:45.56
you to do, to be a part of it.
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You can get in touch
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