Hello, and welcome
to Jesus for Asia Now.
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I'm Natalie Wood, and
I'd like to welcome you
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to the second part
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of a special
show about Indonesia.
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Our guests are
Ramon and Shandy Tengkano,
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and they shared
with us in the first part
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about their personal testimony,
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learning to walk in God's
way, learning to live God's way,
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and learning
what's really important
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in God's kingdom.
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Welcome back to the
show, Ramon and Shandy.
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I just would like to
encourage our viewers
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to go and find that first part,
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it will be on the Jesus
for Asia website very soon,
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or you might be
able to see it again
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when it airs again on 3ABN.
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So in the first show,
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we saw how the Lord
had changed your lives.
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And brought you back
together as a family.
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And how has He lead since then,
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what's the work
He's brought you into?
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Well, God has opened
ways for us to get to know
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what kind of God He
is through mission work,
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ministry work which in our case
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is a television ministry.
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That's what we established
in 2011, January, February.
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And it's a lot of work
because reaching Indonesia,
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17000 islands with
256 million people,
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population, 90%
of whom are Muslim,
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they have no idea what
Christianity is all about.
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If they know any Christianity,
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it's the wrong
kind of Christianity.
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So we were, we became the
first Adventist television
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that took on the satellite.
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At that time.
Yeah, at that time.
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Now we have Hope
channel also that
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started to be on
air from mid 2014.
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So we have two Adventist
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televisions
going over Indonesia.
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That's good. Yeah.
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And since then we're
getting many calls, many texts,
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you know, my
requests to have books,
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to have DVDs, and lessons.
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And many invitations extended
to us to come and visit them,
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big churches, small
churches, Adventist churches,
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mostly even non
Adventist churches calling us.
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Wow. So people are watching.
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Yeah, people are watching.
Plenty of people are watching.
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Even though that
we're on the satellite,
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which means people have
to have the satellite dish
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to catch our signal,
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and the satellite dishes
being fading away in big cities
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because they're replacing
with a cable television.
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Like, you just plug in the wall,
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monthly bills and everything.
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But most, majority of Indonesian
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don't have access to
cable television monthly.
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Cable television in
Indonesia, they have like,
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maximum two million viewers,
two million subscribers.
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But the usage for satellite dish
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goes up to 18 something
million according to data.
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Wow.
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So there's a lot
more people living
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outside the big cities,
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you know, the mountains,
islands, and far away places.
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When they have television,
they have to buy satellite dish
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and that's what we are.
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Yeah, so that's their
only way to get anything.
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That's right. Okay.
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Otherwise they
don't catch anything.
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And then we also treat
our viewers as our family.
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Yeah, like a family.
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So we go to
their house spend time,
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you know, spend night with them.
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And they are very
shocked because, you know,
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one time we went to the family,
remember, in the Kediri...
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Yeah, that's
East Java. East Java.
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The father, the
parents, the father especially,
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he's a...
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He's a
Buddhist. He's a Buddhist.
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And he never
believed about Christianity
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because he always
says, Christian...
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Hypocrites, he says.
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Hypocrite, and then, you
know, like, fancy people.
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Yeah, fancy
people, seeking people.
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And then we came with our
team, you know, spend time,
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and then you know,
sleep in their house,
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and what did he say?
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He said, "Well, this
is different Christianity
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because what I see in television
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and I see you guys
wake up in the morning,
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you all look the same."
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So he respects the
value somehow, you know.
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It doesn't mean that we
look messy in the television
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when...
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And then if our, you know,
our channel, something wrong
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and then just get shut off,
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and they starting to calling us.
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Because they said like,
"We cannot live without,
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you know, without
watching your television.
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You have to do something."
"Without your music..."
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"Without your music,
without all of the programs."
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So, do you know, I don't know,
you know, sometimes they use
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our television to
become like, what...
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Their needs, you know.
They're almost addicted to it.
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Yes, yes, exactly,
they cannot live without...
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There's a one person
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that's crazy, you
know, mental illness.
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And the family said
like, "He cannot go the day
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without watching,
without having our television."
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So if something is
wrong with television,
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he's become crazy.
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This guy,
apparently, we started,
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we met them last January.
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January.
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And he apparently was
the guy, he claimed that,
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"I'm mentally ill."
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But when we came to
his area, he came up to us,
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"Can you pray for
me, I'm mentally ill.
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But you know, I have
to have your television
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on all the time,"
because his mother says.
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Okay, and we prayed for him.
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And then took out
his wallet or little bag,
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and then he takes out like
the receipt of bank transfers.
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And then he was saying,
"Do you see a small amount
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that comes in
every month for years?"
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"Yes, I know
there's small amount."
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It's only like a dollar
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and a half or two
dollars every month.
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So the guy brings
cash money to the counter
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to make the
transfer to our television.
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I'm like, "That's you?"
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"Yes, it's been me,
look at the receipt."
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I'm like, "It's
for people like that
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that our
television keeps going."
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You know, I'm so touched,
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somebody we would not expect
to support our television.
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And then there's another
story of a guy that came to us,
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to our church.
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Oh, this guy, this
guy started to watch
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our television in 2012.
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I met him last year finally.
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Now he's a member of our church.
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You know, in the
beginning of our television,
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we had no idea
what we were doing.
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We didn't have any quality.
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We had no knowledge
on how to make programs.
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So it was just a big
mess, messy television.
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We were on the edges
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because we pay the
bill, satellite bill.
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So this guy, in the
church, that very church
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he was making stories
how he came to the church
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because of our television.
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He said, he started watching
the television, he's like.
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"What kind of
television is this?
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Who would spend so much
money to be on the television
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just to air
unprepared programs like that."
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So that's not his story.
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But it gotten him
sit down for hours,
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you know, looking and
laughing at this television.
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"You know, these
people are crazy."
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"They don't know
what they're doing."
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"They don't know
what they're doing..."
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But then there's messages,
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you know, and
there's Bible verses...
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That's going in.
Yeah, that's right.
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And then he's
calling his family,
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"Look at this crazy television."
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So for a few days, the next day
he would turn it on, he was...
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And now the whole family...
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And then now the whole
family is in the church.
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They're just getting baptized.
God uses crazy television.
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Yeah, last year he was like,
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"Wow, you guys are
something special," you know.
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Wow.
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And then one of
the biggest highlights
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we have in our television
this past few years, in 2014
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I think, we got invited,
we got a call in from a viewer
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who happened to be a pastor
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in one of the big
Pentecostal churches
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in Indonesia, in
the East of Indonesia.
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Then he say, "Hey,
are you guys willing
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to come speak in our church?"
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"Well, yeah, sure." "How
much do you guys charge?"
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I'm like, "We
don't charge anything."
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"Okay, well, if that's the case,
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you would come."
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And then we came.
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And then there's a, that
was a church with big hall
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with apparently 700
pastors plus his wife,
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their wives and
their children attended.
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Wow.
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It's an annual
meeting of the church workers,
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and they invited me,
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I'm not even a pastor, you know.
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Oh, wow.
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"You want me to
speak with them?"
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"Yes, speak with us.
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I know as you have
messages in television,
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I think, you have
a message for us."
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"All right, Lord,
give me words to say,"
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because I was speaking
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Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday day until night.
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Wow.
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Because the year
before they invited
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one of the televangelist
famous from America.
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And they have to
pay how much for that?
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Oh, they paid like, $200,000
only for him to be there.
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Very famous
American televangelist.
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And then I was
there the next year.
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So I get to speak
about, you know, just 144,000,
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you know, the
latter rain message,
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and of course, we're packaging
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with our own
testimonies, you know.
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Right. And the
third Elijah message.
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We spoke about
how to become healthy.
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They all loved it,
you know, without any,
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we take away things
that might shock them.
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Right.
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And then one of the pastors
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who was
actually a famous pastor,
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I didn't realize he was
there the whole three days.
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And then he went back
to his own home church
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on this following Sunday,
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and then he spoke to his church.
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He said something like
this, "Brothers and sisters,
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if there's one
group in this world
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that are going to be prepared
for the second coming of God,
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do you know who that group is?
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Do you know who that church is?"
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The church
members were like, "Who?"
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He says,
"Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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I attend their meeting
past three days, amazing.
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So if there's any group
that we need to learn from,
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it's gonna be them." Wow.
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How do we know about this,
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because one of the members
actually starts searching us.
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A lady and her
family, the member at
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where the pastor was
speaking, looked us up
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and then she actually
happens to be the viewer.
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She became the
church member in our church.
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Wow.
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And then the pastor
said, "No, it's okay,
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go there on the Sabbath,
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and then come
back here on Sunday,
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teach us what they teach you."
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Until now she's
still doing it. Wow.
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And then there's other story,
the Hindu or Buddhist girl...
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Oh! She has a dream.
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No, she said, she wants
to find happiness, right?
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Yeah, she was
praying to the Buddha statue.
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She was always
praying to the Buddha statue,
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and then she always ask,
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"Buddha, show me the
way to the happiness."
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Everyday, everyday,
she's very dedicated Buddhist.
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And then one
night, she get a dream,
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and the Buddha
comes to her, you know...
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Buddha.
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The Buddha come to her,
and the Buddha said like,
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"The true happiness is Jesus."
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And she's just like, "What?"
"That's the God of Christians."
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"That's the God of Christians,
look at them, impossible."
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And then she doesn't care.
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She's just like,
searching, of course, in...
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Internet.
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Internet. And then found us.
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Jesus, when
she's searching Jesus,
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I don't know why
she found us at CBN.
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And she just
searched all of the,
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she just watched all
of the series, programs,
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and now she became our member.
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It's just only
because of that. Yeah.
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So many viewers get
dreams actually, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Get a dream from the
Lord, and then, yeah,
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now they've become our
members because of the dream.
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Yeah, so many
exciting stories. Wow.
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You have to give me two days
to tell you the whole stories.
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And then we have the
other job also in our villages.
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Yeah, we have.
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We, of course, we're reaching
out to the villages also.
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We have a dental clinic,
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we're serving the
locals where we're,
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we're up in the countryside.
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Well, we come from a city life.
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You know, we have
people in secular world
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that they need
to be restart too,
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you know, people in the
upper class of the society...
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That you knew before?
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Yes, and we
hung out with before.
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So we were always wondering,
"Lord, how do we talk to them?"
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Because hanging out
with them, drinking,
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and partying with
them, we had no message.
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Yeah.
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You know, in our neighborhoods,
there are so many people
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that are really
important running the country,
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you know, before
our previous life.
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But I had no message.
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We meet down and
sat down with them
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in neighborhood
meetings and everything,
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but no message.
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So God gave us ways
to reach out to them.
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Now we're
really into exercising,
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you know, a lot of
exercise, running, cycling.
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And these communities
that we hang out with,
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you know, these
things, running and cycling,
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speaking of even
swimming, triathlon,
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picking up really
big time in our country.
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Everybody is
just searching to...
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Become more healthy. Yeah.
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Okay. So there we are.
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In the beginning, we didn't know
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what we were
doing, you know, Lord...
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Okay, we just thought
it was gonna be for us.
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And then we got
to meet some people,
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we got exposed to new friends,
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you know, some
of the people we met
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in the society is just diplomats
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and you know, just artists,
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you know, rock
star or the governors
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actually also in the community.
00:14:02.04\00:14:04.61
So famous
people, wealthy people.
00:14:04.61\00:14:06.51
Yeah, influential
people. Influential people.
00:14:06.51\00:14:08.61
They got to know our
lifestyle, they know, okay,
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we're plant based,
you know, we eat no meat.
00:14:11.38\00:14:15.88
They're asking
us, "How do you do
00:14:15.88\00:14:17.32
with diets like
that, lifestyle like that,
00:14:17.32\00:14:19.45
you know, you can keep
up with what we do here."
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You know, they are
really fit people, individuals.
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Really commit people too.
We weren't really that fit.
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We're okay now,
but still far away
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from where we want to be.
00:14:30.47\00:14:33.07
It's actually a
challenge to us to keep up,
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to prove that the
Lord's way of living
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is the best way to live.
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Yeah, the community
we're meeting right now
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encourage us to
promote our lifestyle,
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our choices, our
diet, the health message,
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and we have so great, a
new start, you know, concept.
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They love it.
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And Shandy is been chosen
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to become the
leader, the chairperson
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for one of the
largest cycling community
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in Indonesia for women.
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And then from that
doors just opening,
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people are coming to see us
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to see our work
up in the village.
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You know, the social,
00:15:13.91\00:15:16.24
they call it
social work that we do.
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And they are asking us,
00:15:18.81\00:15:20.15
"Why are you
making these choices?"
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And then doors
are opening. Yeah.
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We're explaining them that,
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you know, love is
about serving other people,
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and then that's
what God wants us to do.
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How to teach children too.
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How to teach
children, serving the community.
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And then also
alongside health, of course.
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We even got
invited to counsel marriage
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because of this,
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because we believe
you got a message here.
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So we're asked to
counsel somebody's marriages,
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you know, children
education, what to do in life.
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So things like that.
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And what to do with money too.
00:15:53.75\00:15:55.08
Yeah, what to do with money.
00:15:55.08\00:15:56.08
We've actually
inspired some of the people to,
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okay, now maybe
the key to happy life
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is a simpler life.
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Because they said
like, "Oh, now I know
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why you're so happy."
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Because they, finally
they know our previous life,
00:16:06.09\00:16:10.30
the story, now they know,
00:16:10.30\00:16:12.43
they get to see
the true pictures,
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right, the happiness
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is when you share
everything with others.
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They're guessing.
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We not come to them
00:16:20.74\00:16:22.58
and then try to
explain everything.
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No, they're just
guessing to see our lifestyle,
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and they tell like,
you know, few of them,
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you know, come to
me and said, like,
00:16:31.79\00:16:35.12
"Yeah, you are happy person
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because look at you," like that.
00:16:37.33\00:16:38.86
So they're asking us, you know,
00:16:38.86\00:16:40.16
"What do you
make, where you are,
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what do you make
like a lifestyle center
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or like a retreat center,"
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because where our studio,
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our studio is
up in the mountain.
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It's a nice weather.
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So this is where
people come and visit also,
00:16:55.78\00:16:57.78
you know, our
friends from the world.
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They come and
visit, and they see us,
00:17:00.25\00:17:01.78
and then they ask us,
00:17:01.78\00:17:03.02
"What do you just
make like a retreat center,
00:17:03.02\00:17:06.12
make something that
where we can be coached,
00:17:06.12\00:17:08.06
you know, you can
give us like talks..."
00:17:08.06\00:17:10.03
Because they said like this,
00:17:10.03\00:17:11.39
they want to
learn to live like us
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because they see that
we are the persons who live
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that we don't need money to live
00:17:19.47\00:17:22.07
because look at them,
00:17:22.07\00:17:23.41
we want to learn
from you, all right.
00:17:23.41\00:17:25.27
And they said, and
sometimes they say like,
00:17:25.27\00:17:28.11
"If we see Shandy and Ramon,
00:17:28.11\00:17:30.28
we think that why would
we need the money so much?
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Look at them, they can eat."
00:17:33.42\00:17:35.35
And then they even said
like, this is our dining,
00:17:35.35\00:17:38.65
we used to serve
our guests over there.
00:17:38.65\00:17:42.09
They even said
like, "Shandy and Ramon,
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they have a healthy
restaurant over there."
00:17:43.66\00:17:45.89
Yeah, they think
it's a restaurant.
00:17:45.89\00:17:47.86
They come, we give them
food, really healthy food,
00:17:47.86\00:17:50.37
they like it, that's why,
00:17:50.37\00:17:51.80
"Hey, why don't
you just make a..."
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We would call
it athletic center,
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you know, they can come,
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they can go hiking for two days,
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you know, up in the mountain,
00:17:58.44\00:17:59.54
and then in the
morning, we can coach them,
00:17:59.54\00:18:02.41
you know,
health, about temperance,
00:18:02.41\00:18:04.55
about family,
about relationship,
00:18:04.55\00:18:06.95
you know, about
how to self-control.
00:18:06.95\00:18:09.98
They even say like,
"Your place has a power,
00:18:09.98\00:18:13.46
every time I go here, I feel..."
00:18:13.46\00:18:17.53
Yeah, I feel relaxed.
00:18:17.53\00:18:18.66
"I feel relaxed, I feel peace."
00:18:18.66\00:18:21.93
Yeah, so that's
why they're really,
00:18:21.93\00:18:24.13
you know, push
us to make something
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so they can stay
with us, you know.
00:18:26.57\00:18:28.70
Yeah, they can come on
weekends, on the weekdays.
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And they say like,
"Your place is like the..."
00:18:31.14\00:18:33.88
Like a healing place.
00:18:35.31\00:18:36.38
"Like the healing place
for our brain and mental."
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Wow.
00:18:40.35\00:18:41.45
So there's a lot of
challenge, a lot of work.
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A lot of work. Yeah.
00:18:43.32\00:18:44.92
So I just want to
reiterate for our viewers sake.
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You're not telling
people, in order to be happy,
00:18:48.22\00:18:50.43
you have to get rid
off everything like we did.
00:18:50.43\00:18:51.96
Oh, no, no, no.
00:18:51.96\00:18:53.46
People are seeing that
in spite and in your case
00:18:53.46\00:18:57.63
because of getting
rid off everything,
00:18:57.63\00:19:00.77
you're finding happiness.
00:19:00.77\00:19:01.94
Yes. Yeah.
00:19:01.94\00:19:03.00
But you always encourage people
00:19:03.00\00:19:04.31
to get to know
God for themselves.
00:19:04.31\00:19:06.47
Of course. Of course.
00:19:06.47\00:19:07.51
I think, get to know...
00:19:07.51\00:19:09.38
Matthew 13:44, it
says, you go to the field
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and dig for treasure,
and then automatically
00:19:12.08\00:19:15.18
you're gonna be able
to sell it, enjoy it.
00:19:15.18\00:19:16.35
You're gonna know,
yeah. Sell everything, yeah.
00:19:16.35\00:19:18.42
Yeah. You don't
reverse the process.
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Right.
00:19:20.79\00:19:21.96
The treasure doesn't come
because of the outward changes.
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Yeah.
00:19:26.46\00:19:27.60
Because some people,
00:19:27.60\00:19:28.80
they have the
euphoria to go with the Lord.
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They just sell everything,
after that they just stop.
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After that they regret.
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No, we don't want to
give that euphoria...
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Right, it's a
certain drastic decision.
00:19:37.64\00:19:39.21
Yes.
00:19:39.21\00:19:40.61
Yeah, we don't want
to give that euphoria,
00:19:40.61\00:19:42.71
we want them to think
clearly that this is the...
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The choice.
00:19:47.68\00:19:48.75
The choice that they are making.
00:19:48.75\00:19:50.79
And I remember
the first set, like...
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Well, you have to
calculate exactly.
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Calculate
exactly, and then for me
00:19:57.19\00:19:58.89
that is really meaningful
00:19:58.89\00:20:00.60
because some people
just want to go with the Lord
00:20:00.60\00:20:03.00
because of the euphoria,
00:20:03.00\00:20:04.57
and when they hit
crisis, they're gone.
00:20:04.57\00:20:07.44
Right.
00:20:07.44\00:20:09.30
And one thing certain is that,
00:20:09.30\00:20:11.37
you know, our
family got re-strengthened
00:20:11.37\00:20:14.71
because of the journey
that we're making together.
00:20:14.71\00:20:16.68
Our children, despite the
fact that they grew up spoiled,
00:20:16.68\00:20:20.92
they had no idea what
God is like, you know.
00:20:20.92\00:20:25.95
Now we're slowly,
you know, walking them,
00:20:25.95\00:20:28.86
they're finding
happy life with us.
00:20:28.86\00:20:30.53
This is our... These
are our three children.
00:20:30.53\00:20:33.50
This is our idea of
picnic. Looks like fun.
00:20:33.50\00:20:37.70
We don't go to
Disney Land or anything.
00:20:37.70\00:20:40.40
This is our Disney Land.
00:20:40.40\00:20:42.60
That's so good
for them though. Yeah.
00:20:42.60\00:20:44.24
They don't buy
toys, they make toys.
00:20:44.24\00:20:45.77
They make toys.
00:20:45.77\00:20:47.91
But they're learning
that love from God though.
00:20:47.91\00:20:49.74
Of course, yeah.
00:20:49.74\00:20:50.81
I mean, you were
sharing a story of your son
00:20:50.81\00:20:52.35
that gave his slippers to
one of the ladies passing by
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because he saw the need
00:20:56.62\00:20:57.79
and he was willing to
just give what he had.
00:20:57.79\00:21:00.36
Yes.
00:21:00.36\00:21:01.42
And that's so valuable
00:21:01.42\00:21:03.12
when they learn
the value of others,
00:21:03.12\00:21:05.29
and that joy comes in service.
00:21:05.29\00:21:07.60
Yes, that's right.
00:21:07.60\00:21:09.00
He also has the,
what we call bankel.
00:21:09.00\00:21:11.77
Yeah, like, a...
Like, what they said?
00:21:11.77\00:21:13.87
Like a sharp
fork to fix bicycles
00:21:13.87\00:21:15.80
for the villager's kids.
00:21:15.80\00:21:17.64
And they fix the
villager's bicycles,
00:21:17.64\00:21:20.68
and then sometimes
they give the money.
00:21:20.68\00:21:23.28
The villagers give the money.
The villagers give the money.
00:21:23.28\00:21:25.21
But he's just,
"No, this is free."
00:21:25.21\00:21:26.61
"No, no, we just
want to give you money."
00:21:26.61\00:21:28.58
And they keep the money,
so the money, they said like,
00:21:28.58\00:21:32.29
"We need to pay
for the satellite,
00:21:32.29\00:21:34.86
we need to
contribute for the satellite."
00:21:34.86\00:21:37.13
So, you know, that
is their work, you know.
00:21:37.13\00:21:41.36
And yeah, they
put the money to us.
00:21:41.36\00:21:44.07
Yeah. To pay
the satellite bills.
00:21:44.07\00:21:45.90
And then another burden that
we have is also for our church,
00:21:45.90\00:21:49.34
you know, because our
church is missing up so much.
00:21:49.34\00:21:52.74
We think we are
finishing the work
00:21:52.74\00:21:54.01
but we are not.
00:21:54.01\00:21:55.48
That's why we have the burden
to reach out to young people,
00:21:55.48\00:21:58.05
you know, we'd like to...
00:21:58.05\00:21:59.85
Well, our place is becoming like
00:21:59.85\00:22:01.95
a retreat center
for the young people.
00:22:01.95\00:22:03.85
We have what we call Power Camp.
00:22:03.85\00:22:05.85
You know, we host
the young teenagers
00:22:05.85\00:22:08.12
up to like, 23, 24.
00:22:08.12\00:22:10.13
They come for a
week, they go camping,
00:22:10.13\00:22:12.16
they go and help people,
00:22:12.16\00:22:13.23
they go surf because
before we go out to...
00:22:13.23\00:22:17.57
Our hands just not big enough
to reach out to the villagers,
00:22:17.57\00:22:20.27
you know, to the work.
00:22:20.27\00:22:21.44
We need to get the church people
00:22:21.44\00:22:22.70
to get involved.
00:22:22.70\00:22:24.04
Right.
00:22:24.04\00:22:25.11
Now this is
actually the harder part,
00:22:25.11\00:22:26.78
you know, getting the
young people to commit,
00:22:26.78\00:22:29.14
to do something.
00:22:29.14\00:22:30.21
So that's our, we are
bridging between the need
00:22:30.21\00:22:34.48
and the
frontline, and the workers
00:22:34.48\00:22:37.09
that are still in the church.
00:22:37.09\00:22:38.45
And then through the CD also,
00:22:38.45\00:22:40.59
we're been, what
we call, uber mission?
00:22:40.59\00:22:42.99
Yeah, city mission.
Yeah, that is not our plan.
00:22:42.99\00:22:46.70
But God gave us the job,
00:22:46.70\00:22:48.16
and, you know, I guess
that this is what He wants
00:22:48.16\00:22:52.43
so we can cover
everything in Indonesia.
00:22:52.43\00:22:54.40
And then when people
are like, "Is it hard?"
00:22:54.40\00:22:56.44
"Yes, it's really hard."
00:22:56.44\00:22:57.67
It's really, really hard
because sometimes I wish that
00:22:57.67\00:23:00.81
we have like 48 hours
so we don't need to sleep
00:23:00.81\00:23:04.31
because, you
know, the workers inside
00:23:04.31\00:23:06.45
the mission field is not...
00:23:06.45\00:23:08.55
There's not very
many. There's not very many.
00:23:08.55\00:23:10.95
Because we need the
workers who have the burdens,
00:23:10.95\00:23:14.29
we need the workers who
wants to do everything to go,
00:23:14.29\00:23:18.29
you know, to go a long way.
00:23:18.29\00:23:20.83
Yeah.
00:23:20.83\00:23:21.83
Now we also need
central influence
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to be installed in
Jakarta because every Sunday,
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we go riding,
this is just about,
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maybe this is not even
half of the women that you,
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in the community that you live.
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But we go cycling every Sunday,
the men follow along through.
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So every...
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After we arrived, we would
stop and they would ask us,
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"Look, what do we
drink after exercise,
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what food do we eat?"
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So we give them like a coaching,
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you know, health clinic,
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you know, while
they are relaxing,
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they want to eat something,
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they want to have
juice therapy, everything.
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We always meet up
after cycling to share.
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You know, the funny thing is...
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But we don't have a place
in Jakarta big enough for that.
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When we eat, you
know, we hook up with them,
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when we eat,
they're just watching us.
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And they say like,
"Oh, Shandy and Ramon,
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they eat broccoli."
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So they take the broccoli.
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"Shandy and
Ramon, they eat spinach."
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So they're just like,
these people are very ready,
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they just keep asking me like,
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"Shandy, why
don't you open the shop?
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Why don't you bring, you
know, the cart, the trunk,
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so inside the
trunk you can sell like,
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healthy food for us,
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and then you can give
us smoothies, everything.
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Why don't you do that?"
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But I believe that, you know,
we need to use faith for that,
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you know, to cover everything.
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That is the burden,
you know, we wish...
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I said to Ramon, you know,
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"We wish we can do
anything, you know..."
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Right.
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There's not a lot of
you and you need help.
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That's right. Yes.
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The resources are limited.
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I guess
everywhere also same. Right.
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And that's one
thing that many times
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here in North America,
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we haven't seen
that for ourselves.
00:25:01.63\00:25:04.13
We haven't gone
to these countries
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and so we don't know
that there's so much work
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to be done still in
Indonesia, you know.
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And so the call is great.
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The harvest is great
also, and the laborers are few.
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And then we remember,
like, my husband says that,
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in Indonesia, we have island,
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and then there's
dedicate pastors,
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senior pastor a
lot in Indonesia,
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you know, they
have to have, like,
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what, many churches to handle.
00:25:32.29\00:25:35.03
Ten, eleven
churches. Ten, eleven.
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And then they just go there
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with a motorcycle,
it takes like ten hours,
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and then we can reach that
just only with the airplane.
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And you know, can you
imagine the needs over there,
00:25:46.81\00:25:50.95
and I was like,
00:25:50.95\00:25:52.08
"God, I wish I can do
anything to do that," you know.
00:25:52.08\00:25:55.72
The need is there,
the people are so hungry,
00:25:55.72\00:25:58.72
they are waiting,
you know, they even like,
00:25:58.72\00:26:02.59
"Do something, do something,"
but we cannot do anything.
00:26:02.59\00:26:05.66
Yeah, you're doing a lot already
00:26:05.66\00:26:07.40
and there's not
a way to do more.
00:26:07.40\00:26:10.40
And we wish, like,
me and my husband, like,
00:26:10.40\00:26:12.20
we wish, you know, God
can send us like a plane
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so we have aviation,
00:26:15.60\00:26:17.91
you know, like, we
can search, go there
00:26:17.91\00:26:20.58
because, you
know, to help others.
00:26:20.58\00:26:22.84
To move quickly, yeah. Yeah.
00:26:22.84\00:26:24.68
Help that pastor go more quickly
00:26:24.68\00:26:26.35
from church to church.
00:26:26.35\00:26:27.48
Even the missionary,
00:26:27.48\00:26:28.92
if something
wrong with the family,
00:26:28.92\00:26:31.55
you know, they cannot
go back because too far,
00:26:31.55\00:26:35.29
and it's not easy to,
the transportation over there
00:26:35.29\00:26:39.79
is not very friendly for,
yeah, for the mission maybe.
00:26:39.79\00:26:45.60
So that is the burden. Yeah.
00:26:45.60\00:26:50.24
Well, we really
appreciate your coming today,
00:26:50.24\00:26:53.38
and joining us, and
sharing what God has been doing.
00:26:53.38\00:26:55.51
Our pleasure.
00:26:55.51\00:26:56.54
And I know there
are a lot more stories.
00:26:56.54\00:26:58.45
Yes.
00:26:58.45\00:26:59.51
Maybe next time you
can share more stories.
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Sure, sure.
00:27:01.88\00:27:04.45
What a powerful testimony
of how God has taken people
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that were very
wealthy in the world's goods,
00:27:07.32\00:27:11.13
and has given them
a wealth in service,
00:27:11.13\00:27:13.40
a joy in
surrender that just comes
00:27:13.40\00:27:15.86
right out of them.
00:27:15.86\00:27:17.27
And He's leading them
00:27:17.27\00:27:18.70
into more and more service
toward the wealthy people
00:27:18.70\00:27:21.54
as well as the poor
people in Indonesia.
00:27:21.54\00:27:24.11
And He's sending them to
share with people like us,
00:27:24.11\00:27:27.21
the stories of what
He's doing in their lives
00:27:27.21\00:27:29.24
and through their lives.
00:27:29.24\00:27:30.71
And this ministry especially
00:27:30.71\00:27:33.18
to the wealthy
people is very unusual,
00:27:33.18\00:27:35.95
and it's
something that we're not
00:27:35.95\00:27:38.52
necessarily comfortable with
00:27:38.52\00:27:40.42
unless we've grown up with
it or we've been in that life.
00:27:40.42\00:27:44.53
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to be a part of this
ministry in Indonesia,
00:27:46.13\00:27:48.90
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00:28:06.61\00:28:07.98
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