Hello, and welcome
to Jesus for Asia Now.
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I'm Natalie Wood.
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And today we have
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a very special surprise for you.
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Jesus for Asia is working
in many countries in Asia.
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India, Thailand, Cambodia,
the Philippines, and Indonesia.
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And today we welcome
guests from Indonesia.
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This is the first show
we've even done about Indonesia
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and it's very
special that our guests
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have come all the way
form Jakarta to join us.
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I would like to introduce you
to Ramon and Shandy Tengkano.
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Welcome to the show.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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It's so great to have you here.
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And I know that
you have quite a story
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of what the Lord has
been doing in your lives.
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Yes. Yes. God is good.
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We would like to
start out by asking you,
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where is Indonesia?
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Indonesia is in
the Southeast Asia.
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And it's the largest
archipelago in the world.
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We have 17,000 something island.
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Wow.
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It's a lot of work there. Okay.
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So what exactly
are you doing there?
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We have a television ministry.
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We broadcast via satellite.
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So our satellite
footprints across Indonesia
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from east to west
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which is just about as
wide as America continent,
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Los Angeles to New York.
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Okay.
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But it's a 60%
waters or 17,000 islands
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around the area.
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Okay.
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We've been
broadcasting since January...
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Oh sorry, March 2011.
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So that's what we do.
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Okay.
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Have you always been
involved in God's work,
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or it's just something
that you grew up doing.
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What's your story?
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Well, I was born in the church.
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I grew up in the church,
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educated in the
church school system,
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but never really got
interested in mission work.
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My body was in the
church, never left it.
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Well, I left it a lot many times
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but my heart is
out there in the world
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till I came back
again to the Lord.
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And about 2008, my
wife on the other hand...
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Came back to the
Lord at 2011? Yeah. Yeah.
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But she wasn't
born in the church.
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And our lives were...
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I would say, it was a mess.
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You know, we were
searching for the world.
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We just don't
know the direction.
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We had no direction.
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And we were just making
money, and we were having fun,
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you know,
drinking, partying, drugs,
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everything that the world
was doing, we were doing it.
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And we had no
sense of a calling.
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Yes, our body was in the church.
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I was honestly, in fact...
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I don't like saying this
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but I was an
elder in the church.
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But my spiritual life
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was actually the
lowest at the time.
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I had no idea what I was doing.
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Going to church, I would equate
church activities to salvation.
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So I was happy where I was.
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And, you know,
when it was good...
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So because you were
active in the church,
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you were going to be saved.
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Yes, that's what we thought.
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I had no...
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Even though I
lived in Indonesia,
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I had no idea what
mission work was like.
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And so your
search was not for God,
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your search was for the
world, the things of the world.
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That's right.
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Because, you know,
I remember everybody
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at the church they said that,
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you know, that we
are a blessed family
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because you have everything.
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And then
especially he's the elder.
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And then they thought that...
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You're good. You're good.
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You know, you're just
waiting for the Lord to come in
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and you just wait there in,
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but at the moment both
of us not feeling happy
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because, you know,
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my husband being
active at the church
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and then I'm not
active at the church
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because I don't like
situation inside the church
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because those
people over there like,
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you know, is very
unlikable maybe I say, right.
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And so that's why I don't
want to be active at a church
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even though I'm the wife of the,
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you know, the
leader or the elder.
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But I'm the one who always
don't want to get involved
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with the activity.
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So that's why
because I know that,
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you know, I have a feeling
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that this is not
supposed to be like, okay,
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at the same time we
active in the world,
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at the same time
we're active in the church.
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And then this is
not supposed to be that.
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I don't know, I just
feel this is not right.
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That there's something else.
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There's
something else, you know.
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There was a feeling that
always was stuck in our mind,
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in our ears.
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There's got to be something
beyond just going to church.
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And every time
we'd go to church,
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I myself going to church
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is like I'm just like a
clock in and the clock out
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kind of thing, you know.
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Okay, but the
whole couple hours,
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you know, in the
church were just boring...
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Yeah, when it's
going to be done?
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Can I walk back out again?
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Yeah, can we get on
with our lives, yeah.
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So when you talk
about having money
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and you talk about
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going wherever you
want to not having to think
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before you buy.
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I think we might need
to explain to the viewers
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where you came from.
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I mean, what do you
mean by that we had money
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'cause, you know, some of
us to have money is to have,
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you know, 40,000 a year salary
and then be able to survive.
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But what do you mean by that?
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Well, I...
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People say I was lucky
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but in many
ways I was not lucky,
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you know, with money
because when you have money
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and your heart is
not with the Lord,
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you know, all this money,
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blessing actually becomes curse.
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Yeah.
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What I mean by that is
I graduate from college.
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I always felt like I had
to prove myself, you know.
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I remember one
time that, you know,
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one of my
friends I grew up with,
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he challenged me,
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let's go race for
the first million dollar.
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This is fresh off college,
you know, we were lucky,
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we could get a job.
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I told him, I'm
lucky if I can land a job,
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you know, you want to
race me for a million dollar,
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but somehow that thing
was in the back of my mind
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always wanting
a proof, you know.
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That's the thing
with us many times
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that we like to
show off to the people
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we don't like, you know.
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So there I was and, you know,
I became aggressive in money.
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And then I think by 28
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I actually won
the race, you know.
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We've been raised maybe,
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you know, with the
parents that always teach us
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that money is the
key to get the happiness.
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So yeah, we really
find, we really want the money
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because we want
to get the happiness.
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And then people around us,
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even the family
always said like,
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if you go through that level,
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you will get the
happiness over there.
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So we just catch the level.
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And then when we were
there, there's emptiness.
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It's just only emptiness...
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The happiness wasn't there.
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Yes, the happiness wasn't there.
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And people kept
saying that like,
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"Okay, better for you
to go to that level again."
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And we just like
catching that again.
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And we're there,
higher and higher.
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I don't know, I believe
the more higher you are,
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the more you find
the emptiness over there.
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And especially, you know,
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like I told my husband
through that, you know.
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People choose us to
become the leader in the church
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not because our spirituality,
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just because they see
the money in us, right.
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And that's not a good example
though because, you know,
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all the members they will
look at us like see the money,
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you know.
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So they want to
get the money too.
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This is what we have to
be to be a good church member
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we have to have money too.
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Yes.
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We're setting the wrong example.
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And that's not
good example, right?
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How was your
marriage during this time?
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This time, yeah...
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Yeah, well, those
times really, really bad.
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Regardless of the fact that
we pray for partner, you know.
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She was the answer to my prayer.
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Yeah.
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I was the answer to her prayer.
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You know, we
were unlikely people
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who prayed before, you know.
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But God did answer
our prayer miraculously.
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But, you know,
we knew the answer.
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But somehow we
didn't live up to it.
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So I was just thinking,
God was making a mistake here,
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you know.
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She had her own
money, I got my own money.
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And, you know,
money distracts us
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from achieving the marriage
we were intended to have.
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So we were just finding
our own, I was at least.
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I was not a good husband.
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And marriage was bad.
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There's no communication.
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Yes, there is communication
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if we went out
to drink and party,
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then we could talk,
have fun, giggle, laugh.
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But it was at the surface level.
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Yeah, we woke up in the morning,
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and then got
sober and that's it.
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And then especially...
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Our separate ways.
Argue over, whatever.
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Yeah, you do your own
thing, I do my own thing.
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You know, thank you but...
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If I'm not taking
pills, you know, like...
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Sedative.
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Yeah, I cannot talk
like this, you know.
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I was just like,
but I need to take,
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you know, pills or alcohol
so I can like up and around...
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Yeah, to function. To function.
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I cannot talk
to my children too.
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I cannot talk to
him too, you know.
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And then my children I
cannot stand with them.
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You know, my children
they have nanny of course,
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and then I have my assistant.
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And then every
time my children came,
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you know, of course
they want to be close to,
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you know, to mommy and daddy.
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But when I saw
them from far away,
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they come to me, I was like,
"No, I just like no, no, no."
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I will call my assistant.
I will call their assistant.
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I'm just like give them,
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this is the money,
tell them to go, okay.
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To watch movie, anything.
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To watch anything and then
even though we go for vacation,
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I have to split the
room to my children.
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You know, like I
don't want to be with them
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because they are too noisy.
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They are because, you know...
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Children are active. Yeah.
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I don't want to be
with them even though...
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You didn't like it.
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She wasn't fit
for to become a mom.
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Yeah.
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Even though we
go around, you know,
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we go for
vacation with the cars.
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We have to split the car.
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I have to go with my own
car with him, with our driver.
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And my children have
to go with their own car
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with their
driver, with their nanny,
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with their
assistant, anything, you know.
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And I'm very not
function well as a wife.
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She know how to cook,
didn't know to manage.
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And as a mother, you
know, I'm not function well.
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And God, you
know, fix everything.
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Now, of course, I'm
not using drugs anymore,
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alcohol, everything.
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But yeah, now I
can talk to the people.
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I can function well.
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And then I can be a wife.
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And I can even take care
of my children, teach them.
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And I was like amaze how God
can give us the knowledge as,
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you know, become a mother.
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And then yeah, I
was like amazing how,
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you know, now my children
then gave me the courage
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to walk with the
Lord because they said...
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She wakes up in the
morning. That's the good thing.
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Yeah, that is the big thing.
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In the morning
not the afternoon.
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That is the big thing
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because even I took
up the sleeping pill,
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I cannot sleep.
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I cannot sleep.
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But now I sit and
I sleep right away.
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Yeah, God is good.
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So how did God start to
turn this around for you?
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Well, actually I
started first. Yeah.
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Let's say 2008.
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Somewhere in the mid 2008, I...
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Well, I was at the peak
of my financial I guess,
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you know, that.
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I looked around with all
the confidence, you know.
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And the light you see...
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Yeah, and then
I had my birthday,
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and then I went to treat myself.
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Got me a
$200,000 car, paid cash,
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started driving
with it around and,
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I thought I was going
to be happy, feel cool.
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And then five days after that
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like there is no
happiness, you know.
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Why I waste so much money?
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You know, I
could use that cash...
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Excitement wasn't where.
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I remember at the red
light, you know, stop light.
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I stop at the red
light, there's some ugly car,
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you know, an old car.
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And then this is
family, so happy.
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I was expecting them
to look at me and my car,
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maybe expecting to see
their jealous face, you know.
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But they didn't bother
looking at the car, you know.
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So they're just
playing inside the car,
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happy, you know,
parents and children only.
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I certainly don't
have that kind of family.
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I made a promise that,
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you know, I got to
fix my family here.
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And the money is
not fixing anything.
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The more you give
the money to your wife,
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the more you give the
money to your children,
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they become worse.
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And then I remember
that week I, we prayed,
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I asked my wife to
pray, she didn't bother.
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But I prayed
from my heart, I said,
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"Lord, that if
You want me to live
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as a worldly person.
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If all You ever designed
for me is the life of a worldly,
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you know,
individual, just party,
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having fun, making money.
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Yeah, all these things,
just leave me alone, you know."
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I know the Holy Spirit
works in each one of us,
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even in bad people.
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So it was always
whispering to me.
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Every time I was
having fun and just, you know,
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I got reminded
this is not the life.
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But, Lord, if this is the
life that You want me to live,
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just leave me alone,
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take this Holy
Spirit away, you know.
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But, you know, otherwise
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if your life is the
life that You designed for me
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is something
completely different,
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it's all for You.
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And all the money
is for Your cause.
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And all the words
that come out of my mouth
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is only to praise You.
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All the thoughts that I have
in my mind is only about You.
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If that's the life
You want me to live,
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which is completely opposite
from that, from my life.
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Teach me how to hate this life
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because I don't know
how to hate it, you know.
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Take it away slowly.
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And at any cost
if you were to start,
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if there is a refresh button,
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you know, like a
start button, restart.
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Show me where it
is, I want to press it.
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And if you were to
send me under the bridge,
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to live under the bridge
You want to take away my kids,
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my wife, my money,
everything, I'm ready.
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If really, you know, but You
promise me there is happiness.
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And, yeah, and God
started to teach me spiritually
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because God really
did open my eyes to see
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that the people around me
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are not really,
really friends, you know.
00:16:02.69\00:16:06.33
And the life we are
living is not really the life,
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you know, all this
material possession
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and the business to
conduct all these things
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were just fake.
00:16:16.74\00:16:19.34
I said, "Lord, if You
want me to be out of here,
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You show me the way.
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I don't know how."
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And in two years,
I was just following.
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I went back to the
books, to the writings,
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reading the Bible, to
the writings of prophecies,
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Spirit of Prophecy.
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All I did was just that,
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I had really had no
interest in business anymore.
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All of a sudden I woke up,
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I just don't take my
calls from my company, my...
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I was like absent for one year.
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I shut up my phone.
00:16:47.77\00:16:48.84
I shut down my
Facebook, my contacts.
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I was just
swallowed by the earth.
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I moved houses.
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I told my staff, I told, look,
00:16:56.44\00:16:59.11
there's certain small
group of people I trust them.
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Don't tell them
where I live now.
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I just want to get
out of here, you know.
00:17:04.22\00:17:07.42
And then for two years
I shut down my telephone,
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nobody could search me.
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Internet wasn't really
that big as big as it is now.
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So I just, I
moved, refreshed my life.
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And then we got a
property up in the mountain.
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You know, I know I
believed in country living.
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And, you know, God is
giving us a mission work.
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And so we bought a
land up in the mountain,
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we started
having different life.
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So you had this
prayer with the Lord.
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And you gave your husband
and your children to Him.
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Did He then take
them from you? No. No.
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And leave you alone to
live your comfortable life?
00:17:43.56\00:17:44.73
No. He is there.
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He's not making move at all.
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And I was so mad at the moment.
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I'm screaming like
just leave me alone, please.
00:17:54.44\00:17:58.57
I said like I'm
crying, I'm getting crazy.
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But he never leaved me.
00:18:03.01\00:18:04.71
And then, you know...
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Desire. He even
give me the desire.
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When He give me the
desire, I look at His example.
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So it's click.
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When He gave me the
desire. So God gave you desire.
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I know.
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And then, you know,
the picture is like this.
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We as a human want
to know what God can do.
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So God send us Jesus,
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become human so
we can know, right.
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So that is the, you know,
my experience is like that
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when God gives me the
desire, I look at His example,
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and I was like, "Oh, like that."
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And then I'm learning,
you know, baby slap learning.
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And then once
I'm asking him like
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"Ramon, we learn everything,
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I even can wake
up in the morning,
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because the
desire to read the Bible,
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to read the Spirit of Prophecy.
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I don't know
where the desire is."
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You know, I remember 4:30
in the morning I can wake up.
00:19:06.41\00:19:10.38
And I was like, I
want to read the Bible,
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the Spirit of
Prophecy, the Bible.
00:19:11.91\00:19:14.58
And I remember the first
book that I read is about
00:19:14.58\00:19:16.89
the Spirit is "Steps to Christ",
00:19:16.89\00:19:19.39
because the love is there.
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I was like,
"Wow, this is amazing."
00:19:21.39\00:19:23.99
So start from that book,
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I falling in love with Spirit
of Prophecy and the Bible.
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I cannot live
without them, you know.
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I read it, read it.
00:19:30.37\00:19:31.63
And then once
I'm asking him like
00:19:31.63\00:19:34.04
"Okay, you're the
priest in the family,
00:19:34.04\00:19:36.44
you have to tell me
where to go, so I can...
00:19:36.44\00:19:43.01
What do we do now?
I know, what do we do?
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And then I know how to
teach the children too.
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And then he starts saying,
00:19:47.02\00:19:48.58
I love the plan that something
that we even don't know
00:19:48.58\00:19:54.72
how to start at
the moment, right.
00:19:54.72\00:19:56.79
We say like maybe we gonna live,
00:19:56.79\00:19:58.73
you know, poor.
00:19:58.73\00:19:59.79
We're going to start.
00:19:59.79\00:20:00.90
I said, "We're going to
start working for the Lord.
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I don't know
what it is," you know.
00:20:02.60\00:20:04.57
The way you dress also he said.
00:20:04.57\00:20:06.74
All our career, our
minds, and our thoughts,
00:20:06.74\00:20:08.97
and the words that
come out of our mouth
00:20:08.97\00:20:10.41
will be about God's grace.
00:20:10.41\00:20:16.08
I don't know
where, I don't know how,
00:20:16.08\00:20:17.88
but I know that's the direction.
00:20:17.88\00:20:19.88
Even the house or the properties
00:20:19.88\00:20:23.18
we're not going to
enjoy them anymore, you know.
00:20:23.18\00:20:26.09
I know God wants us to go
outside where the needs are.
00:20:26.09\00:20:30.16
So we went out to the mountain,
left most of the villagers.
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But before that
00:20:33.63\00:20:35.83
we went to the faith camp.
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Yeah, no, no, no.
00:20:40.74\00:20:42.10
Before that was
actually that, I told her,
00:20:45.31\00:20:47.61
"Look even the way you,
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the way you looks
gonna have to change,
00:20:49.21\00:20:51.48
you know all these
things attached to you
00:20:51.48\00:20:54.08
they're going to go.
00:20:54.08\00:20:55.85
I don't know how but
God is going to make you
00:20:55.85\00:21:00.62
look different even."
00:21:00.62\00:21:02.32
And then the words...
00:21:02.32\00:21:03.43
Your food is
going to be different.
00:21:03.43\00:21:04.63
Our diet is
going to be different.
00:21:04.63\00:21:05.99
You know,
everything come from Him.
00:21:05.99\00:21:07.40
And he said like,
00:21:07.40\00:21:08.43
"Shandy, if you want
to become my partner,
00:21:08.43\00:21:10.90
and you surrender
everything, and you're ready.
00:21:10.90\00:21:13.57
And then, you
know, you just find
00:21:13.57\00:21:16.50
all of the answer through
Bible and Spirit of Prophecy
00:21:16.50\00:21:18.84
because I cannot give it to you.
00:21:18.84\00:21:20.41
But I promise you one thing."
00:21:20.41\00:21:21.61
He said, "I
promise you one thing,
00:21:21.61\00:21:23.51
you and me with the children,
we can go to heaven together."
00:21:23.51\00:21:28.08
And that is the
calling, I was like,
00:21:28.08\00:21:29.92
"Yes, I'm really,
really ready at the moment."
00:21:29.92\00:21:32.89
I said to him,
"Everywhere you go,
00:21:32.89\00:21:36.39
you know, you want to bring me
00:21:36.39\00:21:37.69
to the lowest
part in this world,
00:21:37.69\00:21:41.73
I'm ready, you know."
00:21:41.73\00:21:43.20
'Cause and then
faith camp invited,
00:21:43.20\00:21:45.83
you know, invitation came.
00:21:45.83\00:21:48.57
I remember his mom...
00:21:48.57\00:21:50.51
2011 January.
00:21:50.51\00:21:51.61
His mom telling us, "Hey,
Shandy, there is a event..."
00:21:51.61\00:21:55.94
Some American guy is speaking.
00:21:55.94\00:21:56.95
Some American guy is
speaking about the mission.
00:21:56.95\00:22:00.95
And I was like
what is so special.
00:22:00.95\00:22:02.02
"I've heard many
American guys, you know."
00:22:02.02\00:22:05.35
I said like, "What is mission?"
00:22:05.35\00:22:07.26
"Mission, you know,
the story about people
00:22:07.26\00:22:09.36
working in the jungle,
00:22:09.36\00:22:11.19
you know, and then how God
can help them and everything."
00:22:11.19\00:22:15.00
And I was so "Oh,
okay," that is new for me
00:22:15.00\00:22:18.53
because I don't know,
yeah, I don't know me.
00:22:18.53\00:22:21.94
I never get the story
about mission inside my church.
00:22:21.94\00:22:26.78
So that is a new thing for me.
00:22:26.78\00:22:28.81
And I was like, I'm so
excited, not too excited
00:22:28.81\00:22:33.05
because I remembered
Ramon said like, "Let's go."
00:22:33.05\00:22:36.48
But at the moment I
just, I don't want to go to
00:22:36.48\00:22:38.75
because that is
people in the church,
00:22:38.75\00:22:40.36
I don't like people.
00:22:40.36\00:22:41.79
You know, I don't like people
in the church at the moment.
00:22:41.79\00:22:43.99
I was like, "No, I'm
not going to go there."
00:22:43.99\00:22:46.26
Somehow the church was not
the answer, and we knew it.
00:22:46.26\00:22:49.23
No, nothing going on
in the church on Sunday.
00:22:49.23\00:22:51.70
But I have a
courage to go there.
00:22:51.70\00:22:56.27
Okay, I want to go there.
00:22:56.27\00:22:57.51
And then I sit there
with full of my makeup,
00:22:57.51\00:23:00.68
you know, with my handbag.
00:23:00.68\00:23:04.15
How much my handbag cost?
00:23:04.15\00:23:05.61
It's all the
expensive collection of bag.
00:23:05.61\00:23:08.65
Like how much that?
00:23:08.65\00:23:09.68
Twenty thousand, thirty
thousand dollars handbag.
00:23:09.68\00:23:11.55
Thirty thousand handbag
with all of my diamonds.
00:23:11.55\00:23:15.02
You know, everything
the accessories on me
00:23:15.02\00:23:17.53
because I don't know,
00:23:17.53\00:23:18.59
I just walk and
sit in the front,
00:23:18.59\00:23:22.43
hearing all of the testimonies,
and I started to cry.
00:23:22.43\00:23:27.10
And I started to say
to my life, "This is it.
00:23:27.10\00:23:30.84
This is the things
that I'm looking in,
00:23:30.84\00:23:34.11
you know, the rest of my life."
00:23:34.11\00:23:35.54
I'm crying.
00:23:35.54\00:23:36.98
And then all of my
makeup like it's hard,
00:23:36.98\00:23:38.88
you know, like the
mascara over there.
00:23:38.88\00:23:42.28
I'm crying and then I said like,
00:23:42.28\00:23:44.22
"Lord, why are those people
has that story and I'm not.
00:23:44.22\00:23:49.72
I want to claim
that story to me.
00:23:49.72\00:23:52.23
I want to claim that
story, become my story.
00:23:52.23\00:23:55.46
And I want that life."
00:23:55.46\00:23:57.87
Yeah, I think
that picture there...
00:23:57.87\00:24:00.94
That's the first day...
00:24:00.94\00:24:02.40
That was the first Sabbath,
00:24:02.40\00:24:04.71
the morning
after she was crying,
00:24:04.71\00:24:06.51
she decide to just,
"Okay, maybe I got to drop,
00:24:06.51\00:24:09.24
I got to dress differently."
00:24:09.24\00:24:11.21
So that's the Sabbath
where she came first...
00:24:11.21\00:24:13.38
I remember he said that,
00:24:13.38\00:24:18.69
"I don't know why,
00:24:18.69\00:24:20.49
I don't know how to start
00:24:20.49\00:24:21.99
but maybe God will teach you
how to dress and everything."
00:24:21.99\00:24:27.66
And then I remember that
night the speaker said like,
00:24:27.66\00:24:32.27
"God says one
person in this place
00:24:32.27\00:24:36.27
she really needs to change
how the way she dresses up."
00:24:36.27\00:24:39.64
And I was like,
"Wow, that is me.
00:24:39.64\00:24:43.28
I need to change."
00:24:43.28\00:24:44.35
And I just go in front,
pray, crying, pray, crying
00:24:44.35\00:24:48.82
and that's it.
00:24:48.82\00:24:49.92
And after we went home
and I said to him, "Ramon..."
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I never asked him which
dress that I have to wear in.
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That is the first day I asked,
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"What do you
think I should wear?"
00:25:02.83\00:25:04.80
I asked and I picked it
out for her that white blouse,
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that black skirt, and that's it.
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Every Sabbath,
every church function
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this is what you wear.
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You got to go in a
detox, fashion detox, you know.
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So that's, you
know, the picture was Jon
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in the middle.
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And that attire she was
wearing for the whole year,
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every Sabbath,
every church meeting.
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So people would say
they never see Shandy
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in anything else but that.
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Yeah, this is the
picture like God's makeover.
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You know, this is me before.
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I don't know how to do,
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you know, to put off
all of my accessories.
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But, yeah, God teach
me all the way, you know.
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He also did great
makeover, I guess.
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Yeah.
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So what you found is
that you didn't find happiness
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in having lot of money.
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And the more money you had,
the less happiness you found?
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Yes. I was happy.
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When you define happiness
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there's two ways
of defining happiness
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is your flesh happy
or is your spirit happy.
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Happiness by what definition.
00:26:17.34\00:26:19.54
Well, when you
have a lot of money
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your spirit is not
happy, your flesh is happy.
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Well, definitely.
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But, you know, we're born
in the spirit not in the flesh.
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What I was born
with the flesh is flesh,
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what I was born
with a spirit is spirit.
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So God was bringing you to
make major changes in your life,
00:26:31.75\00:26:35.62
and your lives
together as a family.
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And you had found a
new concept, a new way.
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And that was the idea
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that serving others
would bring happiness.
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And your experience being
that, the more money you had,
00:26:48.74\00:26:52.17
the more emptiness was there.
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That's just so powerful
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because so many of the
countries in this world,
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our country here,
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so many people are searching
for the material answer
00:26:58.88\00:27:02.35
to that hope in our lives.
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And I know we'll
talk in the next show
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about the joy that you're
finding in service and so...
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More exciting part. Yeah.
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The motto that we have now this,
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happiness is the
product of selflessness.
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So that is that happiness...
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The product of selflessness.
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Yeah. Wow. That's awesome.
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Well, thank you for
being here for the show.
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Thank you for having us.
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Looking forward to second part.
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Yes.
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