Hello, I'm Stan Hudson
speaker for In the Beginning.
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I'm looking at an old
family album that is over
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100 years old.
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It has pictures of my
great grandparents in it
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and their family.
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They are from London and I'm
looking at these old pictures.
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This was my great-grandmother's
book and it is organized
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somewhat chronologically
so that the farther I go back,
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the earlier it gets.
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These pictures show me a
lot about people that made
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me who I am.
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As I go back to the
very beginning of this book,
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what if I were go back maybe,
a page before this book began?
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I would see an older
generation in London England.
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But if I were to go back
to a imaginary beginning of my
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family tree, what would
the first pictures show?
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Would they show a chimpanzee?
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Maybe even going back
further would it show an amoeba?
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Today we are going to
look at the origins of man.
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In the beginning,
Pond Scum, or Divine hand?
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I really think that what
you think about your own family
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tree and where the human
race came from, where you came
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from, most definitely affects
what you think about yourself.
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What you think about others.
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What you think
about planet Earth.
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How a teaching impacts
society is probably a question
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that religion can also address.
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It is not just about me
individually and my own view of
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myself, it is also how a
teaching impact the world
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in which I live in.
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It was Doug Adams whose
Hitchhiker Guide into the Galaxy
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gave us the idea in the
total perspective vortex that we
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are indeed very, very small.
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It was this device he created
to show us how small we are
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compared to the
rest of the universe.
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It was so effective, it was
a device that had a tendency
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to drive people
mad that went inside.
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Well when we look at the
universe with out any other
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revelation of who we
are or where it came from,
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if we just do a strict
observation, it is not too
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difficult to come up
with a similar perspective of
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how small we are.
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Yet Scripture teaches
that the very hairs of our head
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are numbered and we have
been created by the hand of the
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Divine and loving God
that is revealed in its pages.
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It is a very high
view of mankind indeed.
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In 1859 when Charles
Darwin released his book On the
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Origin of Species, many
people were beginning to ask the
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very basic question, are you
saying the theory of evolution
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is a way of
explaining how we came here?
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Are you saying that the biblical
account is not accurate?
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Darwin was clever enough to
avoid directly addressing the
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question, but he did say this.
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In Chapter 14 of his book,
"in the distant future I see"
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"open fields for far
more important researches. "
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"Psychology will be based
on a new foundation that the"
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"necessary acquirement of
each mental power and capacity"
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"and gradation. "
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"Light will be thrown on the
origin of man and his history. "
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The ramifications immediately
became apparent to people
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as they start to think about
whether we had indeed evolved
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from lower races of animals.
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If that was the case, then
what do you do with various
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races among the human family.
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Are some more superior
than others because they have
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evolved more
significantly than others?
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Racism actually became
somewhat supported by science.
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Let me read to you from
the book that was used in the
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Scopes trial in 1925 in America.
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This is from the chapter
entitled Evolution from Hunter's
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Civic Biology textbook,
the one that John Scopes taught
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from and became an
issue in the trial.
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It says this on page 196,
"at the present time there"
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"exists upon the earth five
races of varieties of man. "
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"Each very different from
the other in instinct, social"
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"customs and to an
extent in structure. "
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"These are the
Ethiopian or Negro type"
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"originating in Africa. "
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"The Malay, or brown race from
the islands of the Pacific. "
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"The American Indian,
the Mongolian or yellow race"
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"including the natives of
China, Japan the Eskimos. "
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"And finally the highest
type of all, the Caucasians"
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"represented by the
civilized white inhabitants of"
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"Europe and America. "
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This is where the issue of
social Darwinism comes to play.
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To what extent did the
Darwinian theory affect our
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thinking about the
way we should live?
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Here's where religion probably
most gets involved in the
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discussions on
the origin of man.
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What sort of moral beliefs
are brought to the table when
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we talk about where men
came from and what sort of
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structure we might
expect a moral society to have?
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What would it be based on?
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On the survival of the
fittest or on other norms that
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perhaps religion would provide
from authoritative sources like
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the Bible, let's say.
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But it is probably true
for most of us that survival of
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fittest isn't exactly the
world we would like to live in.
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The idea that you have to
be the biggest, the strongest,
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fastest to
really, really succeed.
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That there is no place for those
of us that can't quite match
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up to that kind of competition?
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Well it was the eugenics
field, it was a field started
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by France's Galton who
was the cousin of Darwin.
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He actually believe that
the best thing we could do for
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the human race was to try
and weed out those that weren't
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quite as helpful in producing
things for the rest of us.
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Those attended to be sponges.
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Those that were
handicapped and we all know what
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Adolf Hitler did with that
kind of theory in the practice
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that he used in his
efforts during World War II.
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Now what I am talking about
Hitler and using eugenics in
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the theory of evolution as
a basis for all that he did.
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I am not saying that everyone
who believes in Darwinian
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evolutionist naturally is going
to become a Nazi or try to push
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for another holocaust, but
it is true to say that as a
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basis for what he believed,
he did use a science of
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Darwinian evolution to support
what he did, what he believed.
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But it is clear that
Christianity brings a different
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approach to the
subject of the fittest.
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It was Jesus who in His ministry
practiced ministry to those
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that were least capable
of producing, functioning
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well in society, like
the lepers for example.
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The very ones that eugenics
and those that believe in the
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survival of the fittest
might have thought would be best
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to eliminate, but
Jesus ministered to all.
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It is that kind of religious
input into this subject,
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or perhaps Christianity
is most affective in bringing
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something to the table.
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On the subject of
races, are there many races?
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According to Paul when he
spoke to a group of Athenian
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philosophers on Mars Hill,
he said that God has made us
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all one race, one
blood, we are all one family.
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That seems to suggest that
we are all in this together.
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Hello again everybody.
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I hope you are doing well.
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We are going to be talking
about a fairly rubber meets
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the road kind of issue today.
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As we talk about
In the Beginning,
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Pond Scum or Divine Hand?
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You may notice in one of
the brochures that a friend of
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and I do a radio program,
is not local, Walla-Walla
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would be the closest, but
it is on a national network,
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a Christian network.
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It's called "Sink the Beagle"
is the name of the program.
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Sometimes we call out everybody
at the beginning of the
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program, "Greetings, Pond Scum".
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So actually this is a fairly
controversial subject that
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we will talk about tonight.
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Let's take a look
at In the Beginning,
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Pond scum or Divine Hand?
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Really when we talk about
the subject of origins, at some
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point fairly early in the
discussion we are wondering what
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does this mean about my
personal ancestry, my personal
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family tree,
where did I come from?
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Now here's
something very interesting.
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We talked about creation
and evolution polls that have
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been taken by Gallup.
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Harris has taken
some polls on the subject
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of human evolution.
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Here are the
results of this poll.
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There were two polls
taken some years apart.
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The first one in 1994.
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What is interesting in this
poll they took it again in a few
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years later, 11
years later excuse me.
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So it seems like there is
a trend away from believing
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in human evolution as
is traditionally taught in
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our school system.
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This is interesting,
why is it, how can I say it?
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Why is it the popular image
where we came from as evolving
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through an ape-like ancestor,
why is it that this is not
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apparently catching on?
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In some cases it is
actually slipping a little bit.
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I would like to suggest to
you that we are hard-wired to
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think something differently.
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According to the
Ecclesiastes 3:11 it says,
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There are some things beyond
our understanding apparently.
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But more importantly it
says we are hard-wired to think
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in terms of
greater images, eternity.
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Bigger things
than just ourselves.
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Maybe when we are told we
are not very big that we have
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evolved from some small
it doesn't resonate with
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something inside of us.
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It doesn't resonate
with the hard-wiring we have.
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Maybe we suspect there
is something more to it.
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That is just an
opinion, but I think there is
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something to that.
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Well when you think about
your family tree, when you think
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about where you come from
you think about your old family
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pictures, these are a bunch
of my old family pictures and
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you can see where
I get my good looks.
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You think about where you
come from because where you
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came from, your
family, makes up who you are.
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Your ancestry contributes to
the image you have of yourself.
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That is why these issues
are very, very significant.
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So if you think your family is
this, this is a museum display
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where evolution is supported,
it says are relatives belong
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to the ape family
down at the bottom.
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So there's a family picture.
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You would think it affects
your self image a little bit.
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I think it has tremendous
implications of how you view
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yourself depending
upon where you believe
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you have come from.
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So when we talk about
these issues, Darwinism and
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Christianity, at least
evangelical Christianity,
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it seems like there are
images that are different there.
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They are
significantly different.
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Well again as we talk
about Darwin and his retracing
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a little bit of history.
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Remember he sailed
to the Galapagos Islands
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on the HMS Beagle.
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He spent some time there
researching while they were
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doing some maps.
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He wrote the origin of
species in 1844 and published it
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15 years later.
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When this book came out one
of the very first things that
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people were asking about,
wait, wait, wait, a minute.
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Are you saying
that people evolved too?
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Darwin, I think intelligently,
did not really deal
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with that subject
particularly in the first book.
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He knew it would
be controversial.
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He said I believe the only
statement he made on this whole
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subject was to shed
light on human origins.
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That is about all
that he would say.
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So he left that lingering.
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It nevertheless was in
the mind of many people and
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eventually he did write a
book, "The Descent of Man".
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In this book he
says on page 181,
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What I would like to know,
if I could get into the heart
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and mind of Darwin, I wonder
if he was saying that cynically,
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or was he serious, I
sense a little sarcasm.
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What do you think?
Is there some sarcasm?
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What do you think?
We should take a vote.
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But anyway "the wonder and glory
of the universe proceeded. "
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He did say it and of course
for that he got labeled and
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characterized by those who
weren't quite ready to accept
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a theory, so "The Descent
of Man" by Charles Darwin.
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Well Darwin eventually was
buried in Westminster Abbey.
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You might wonder why
he was given that honor.
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He had some friends that
lobbied for him to have his
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body buried there, and
he was buried not too far
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from Sir Isaac Newton.
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He has a very simple
stone in the floor there.
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Charles Robert Darwin and
we are coming up on the 200th
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anniversary of his
birth year of February 12.
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That brings to mind a
statement recently released,
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this is just off the press.
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the Church of
England director said this.
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So there is a public apology
to Darwin for making his life
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uncomfortable back when he was
sharing his views in the 1800's.
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Now what was happening at the
time Darwin was writing about
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Man and there was a lot of
discussions about the origin of
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man, the origin of species
had just come out and so forth.
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There was an interesting
discovery made in Germany in the
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Neander Valley, the Neander
Valley has some caves and in
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this cave they found some bones.
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They were human
bones, they looked human.
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They looked kind of human
and as they studied them they
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later found out that some
of the earliest remains had
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rickets and maybe
arthritis and so forth.
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They reconstructed what this
original human being look like
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and this is one of the
earliest artist rendering of the
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Neanderthal, Neanderthal is
German for the Neander Valley.
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So the Neanderthal man
began to be displayed this way.
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This is the first caveman,
at least the first caveman that
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got any real publicity.
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Now remember, think of the
timing, there is sensational
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stuff coming out
in the mid-1800s.
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The time of Darwin's
theory was getting publicity and
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people are thinking
about origins and evolution and
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looking at the biblical account
in a much different light.
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Creationists were having
problems explaining things.
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We are saying some pretty
silly things in trying to defend
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what was being found.
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Like dinosaur bones were not
real and the devil made them,
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and things like this.
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So there was an interesting
thing going on there in the
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middle 1800s as they
were suddenly discovering a
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lots of things.
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So the thought was
maybe this was some kind of an
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ancestor of man and
apparently we came from caves,
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at least at one point.
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So the image was well set
in the mind of the Western man.
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A caveman.
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The earliest pictures of
Neanderthal's looked like
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that, but we moved
into more recent pictures.
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Some more recent reconstructions
of the Neanderthal's as
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they found many, many other
skeletons of the Neanderthals.
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Now you may have read the
recent National Geographic
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article on this where they
are talking about how they are
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trying to recover some DNA even.
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But in any case they
believe now that there is good
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evidence they had red hair
and green eyes and so forth.
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They would be fairly
indistinguishable between
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modern man, if they were
walking in the crowd it be
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hard to pick them out.
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So you can see why does it start
off this way in the upper left
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and then move down to
this with more research.
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Of course the image at the
time was this must be somewhat
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ape-like, in fact here's the
comment made by, this is not a
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creationist magazine
at all on Neanderthal art.
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The ones you see in
National Geographic and so forth
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on our ancestors and
make the covers a lot.
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Again this is in-house and
not critics from the outside
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saying something, this is how
they admit the artwork is done.
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Well when we studied
Neanderthals, we found out they
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bury their dead, they
buried, past tense, their dead.
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They played musical instruments.
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And a very interesting
part of them, they had larger
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brains than we do.
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That already
tells you something.
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Were they more
primitive then us or not?
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When you talk about the subject
of human origin you cannot
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talk about it without
mentioning Louis Leaky.
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Louis Leaky is probably the
most famous paleoanthropologist
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maybe of all time.
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He dedicated much of his life
in the middle and late 1900s.
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It made a lot of
natural geographical articles
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back in the day.
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What are the things
that he is looking at,
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the skull on the right, he is
looking at Zinjanthropus skull
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from supposedly, I will
guess like one a half million
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years, or something like that.
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It is the supposed estimate
of the period and when this was
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discovered it was considered
to be more or less a firm
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establishment now that man had
ape-like ancestors, or ape-like
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I put in quotes
"ancestor" since Zinjanthropus
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may have been one.
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They are now looking at
Zinjanthropus in a different way
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Well anyway there was another
discovery the Leakey's made
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and that was that
at Laetoli Tanzania.
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They found these
human footprints,
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human looking
footprints in ash, volcanic ash
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that have become something
like mud with a little water.
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There were some adults
and a child that walked across
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this ash and left footprints.
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The thing that is interesting
about the footprints,
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and there is one blown up,
what the footprints indicate,
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according to
Potassium Argon dating, is that
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3.7 million years ago.
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It is volcanic ash so you can
date it with Potassium Argon.
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The ash was dated 3.7 million
years ago and yet the foot
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prints are extremely humanlike,
so much so, that folks again
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this is
in-house, natural history.
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Which is another way of saying
somebody like you and me today.
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So again this is a muddled
study as we look at the supposed
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ancestors of man because
we are not finding a clear
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information, we
get mixed pictures.
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When we look at Zinjanthropus
which is a word that means
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ape-man of Zinjan which was
the area in Africa it was found.
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Was it an ancient man
or is it an extinct ape?
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That is the question.
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There is different artist
that has renderings of the same
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skull, so you see you can
have quite a variety of the way
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you imagine it to look
like based on the same skull.
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Something very ape-like,
or something very human.
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So sometimes there's
a little leeway in the
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way things are portrayed.
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Zinjanthropus, I am seeing
now as I'm reading most recent
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reports on Zinjanthropus is
sort of slipping away as not
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significant as it used
to be because Homo-habilism
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that are found on a more deeper
level are more modern in look.
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Which goes along with the foot
prints that looked fairly human.
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Now Lucy, do you remember Lucy?
00:22:22.52\00:22:25.27
When Lucy was found by Joe
Hansen, Lucy was considered
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to be clearly
an ancestor to man.
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It had a leg and hip structure
that suggested that it was
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an upright walker.
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Here's the problem, one of
the things they looked for in
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human ancestors among the bones,
to try to indicate whether it's
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an ape or human or on its way
to human or something like that.
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There are two
things they look for.
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One, is the size of the brain.
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Is the brain getting larger
from a monkey of some kind
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to a human of some kind
that would be generally thought
00:22:56.05\00:22:59.19
to getting larger evolution.
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Second thing, they look to
see if in the hip structure
00:23:01.90\00:23:04.06
that it is an
upright walker or not.
00:23:04.10\00:23:06.67
One of the problems with
upright issues is that a number
00:23:06.71\00:23:10.84
of monkeys today walk
upright and that is usually an
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indication that
they are tree dwellers.
00:23:15.01\00:23:16.86
They walk along branches
and so forth and the hip
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structure what
have them that way.
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So you would see an old set
of bones with something that
00:23:20.76\00:23:24.02
appeared to be walking upright,
it could mean it's walking
00:23:24.05\00:23:27.28
on the ground or it
could mean a tree dweller.
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So it is not quite as clear-cut
and that adds to some of
00:23:29.95\00:23:33.23
the confusion as to whether
or not the things they find
00:23:33.27\00:23:36.52
are good candidates or
not for ancestors to man.
00:23:36.56\00:23:40.22
So they found Lucy and Lucy
for a while was sensational.
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Once again it hit the papers
like the Zinjanthropus did.
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It put the whole subject
in front of the public and
00:23:49.85\00:23:52.29
National Geographic and
everybody publishing lots of
00:23:52.33\00:23:54.73
things about Lucy.
00:23:54.77\00:23:57.08
Lucy made all the museums
with a plaster cast of the bones
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and models were
erected and everything.
00:24:03.02\00:24:05.43
However, again as you
look at this famous fossil now,
00:24:05.46\00:24:08.96
this famous skeleton, and
they have found a few more like
00:24:09.00\00:24:12.47
Lucy and they are fairly certain
that what Lucy represents
00:24:12.51\00:24:15.95
is certainly an extinct ape.
00:24:15.98\00:24:17.90
They are not talking so much
about Lucy as they used to be
00:24:17.94\00:24:20.77
it's been a good
candidate for human ancestry.
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It is a muddled picture,
now take a look at this comment.
00:24:24.90\00:24:28.12
I find this a funny comment
from Lord Solly Zuckerman.
00:24:28.15\00:24:31.34
It is talking about
this whole subject of
00:24:32.81\00:24:34.49
the origin of man.
00:24:34.53\00:24:36.03
This is not a creationist.
00:24:47.92\00:24:48.90
What he is making a
comment on is simply this.
00:25:00.06\00:25:02.83
In the field of human ancestry,
paleoanthropology there is
00:25:02.87\00:25:07.96
lots and lots of faith,
well that is a religious term.
00:25:07.99\00:25:12.42
There are a lot of assumptions
made and much is made out
00:25:12.45\00:25:16.85
of fairly small evidence.
00:25:16.88\00:25:19.14
How much evidence
are we talking about?
00:25:19.17\00:25:20.91
When you talk to Richard
Lewontin, who is anything but
00:25:20.94\00:25:23.78
a creationist,
from Harvard, said.
00:25:23.82\00:25:26.32
He is saying it is challenging
and I remember reading in
00:25:41.15\00:25:43.66
one National Geographic
article about some human remains
00:25:43.69\00:25:46.02
that were found, I'm
pretty sure it was in Mongolia.
00:25:46.05\00:25:48.31
They were more modern looking
than they expected to find.
00:25:48.34\00:25:51.17
I remember one comment
made by an anthropologist as he
00:25:51.20\00:25:53.99
saw the bones, he said,
00:25:54.03\00:25:55.25
"please put those
back in the ground".
00:25:55.29\00:25:57.37
Because it didn't fit
what they expected to find.
00:25:57.41\00:26:01.66
It is an open session and
even though he said draw lines,
00:26:01.70\00:26:04.37
it is up to you to draw the
lines, people have certainly
00:26:04.41\00:26:07.67
felt comfortable drawing
lines for a number of years now.
00:26:07.71\00:26:10.94
Assuming where human
ancestry comes from and in this
00:26:10.97\00:26:14.27
particular case you see a
picture of the Negroid race,
00:26:14.31\00:26:18.27
and one separate Caucasian
race, and another Mongloid,
00:26:18.31\00:26:22.24
and another
Asteroid on the fourth track.
00:26:22.28\00:26:27.09
There you see the branches
quite separate fairly early on.
00:26:27.13\00:26:30.81
So every time you see a
new chart it is different.
00:26:30.84\00:26:34.44
That's from New Scientist.
00:26:45.51\00:26:47.78
I thought this was a pretty
funny picture, at least for
00:26:47.82\00:26:52.64
me it's pretty
close to evolution of man.
00:26:52.67\00:26:55.81
That's pretty well me
at the end on the right.
00:26:55.84\00:27:01.81
It's funny how you try to
assume how evolution has taken
00:27:01.85\00:27:06.45
place, but to be serious, to
go back to those comments you
00:27:06.48\00:27:11.04
just saw, in-house
comments are frustrating.
00:27:11.08\00:27:14.14
Where the money goes
is interesting in the
00:27:16.70\00:27:19.00
area of evolution.
00:27:19.03\00:27:20.48
For years, I'm going to guess
now, 1950s to say the 1970s
00:27:20.51\00:27:25.24
or so, much of the grant
money, money that was available
00:27:25.27\00:27:29.96
for doing in-field
research and digging up fossils,
00:27:30.00\00:27:33.08
much of it was spent on
trying to find human ancestors.
00:27:33.11\00:27:36.17
Much of it in Africa, the
Olduvai Gorge and Louis Leaky
00:27:36.21\00:27:39.23
all that funding and
Louis Hansen and so forth.
00:27:39.27\00:27:42.00
A lot of money
was sent that way.
00:27:42.04\00:27:44.43
You don't hear
too much about it now.
00:27:44.46\00:27:46.78
It seems like more money is
being sent towards dinosaurs
00:27:46.81\00:27:51.43
studies and dinosaur to bird
evolution is especially getting
00:27:51.47\00:27:56.05
grants and money and that.
00:27:56.08\00:27:58.46
I not sure if that is an
indication of frustration or a
00:27:58.50\00:28:01.76
lack of finding things or
other issues are going on.
00:28:01.80\00:28:05.03
I'm not sure, I don't know.
00:28:05.07\00:28:07.47
Yes, is man still evolving?
00:28:07.51\00:28:09.85
That's a good
question, what is that from?
00:28:09.88\00:28:12.27
Planet of the apes, and there's
interesting social logical
00:28:12.31\00:28:17.73
things in this
movie about evolution.
00:28:17.77\00:28:19.60
So we talk about God and
man, if God was indeed the
00:28:25.15\00:28:30.26
Creator, did He use evolution,
did He use a primate of
00:28:30.30\00:28:35.38
some kind to start with?
00:28:35.42\00:28:37.38
One of the questions that
has come our way in the box back
00:28:37.42\00:28:41.85
there, was can you tell
what various religions think
00:28:41.88\00:28:46.49
about evolution?
00:28:46.52\00:28:48.51
I can at least cite the
number of mainline Christians
00:28:48.55\00:28:51.99
churches, including the Roman
Catholic Church, the Church
00:28:52.03\00:28:55.67
of England, as you saw
that comment of the apology to
00:28:55.71\00:28:59.32
Darwin and so forth.
00:28:59.36\00:29:00.98
Many other mainline Christian
churches do except evolution.
00:29:01.01\00:29:05.98
I know that the Pope
has written some papers,
00:29:06.02\00:29:08.34
or I should say the previous
Pope, has written papers and
00:29:08.38\00:29:10.81
the current Pope agrees with it.
00:29:10.84\00:29:13.20
For instance, the view was
that something like a pre-man
00:29:13.24\00:29:18.34
was somewhere along the
evolutionary line and at some
00:29:18.37\00:29:23.44
point God infused that man
with a living soul and that
00:29:23.47\00:29:27.28
was a special act of creation,
something not evolution.
00:29:27.31\00:29:31.08
Man became a modern man
with the ability to think
00:29:31.12\00:29:35.74
through this act of God.
00:29:35.77\00:29:37.74
It is sort of accepting
evolution and also creation and
00:29:37.77\00:29:43.79
melting the two together.
00:29:43.82\00:29:45.61
So that is the Roman
Catholic official position.
00:29:45.65\00:29:49.14
And there are the churches
that have similar kinds of
00:29:49.17\00:29:52.84
thoughts and it is a
struggle because why?
00:29:52.88\00:29:56.09
Because in this society,
the Western society, we have
00:29:56.13\00:29:59.67
a high view of science, we
have a high view of religion,
00:29:59.71\00:30:03.60
and Christianity in this
part of the world, when you put
00:30:03.64\00:30:07.50
Christianity and science
together have high views,
00:30:07.53\00:30:10.53
they disagree fundamentally on
something, you look for ways in
00:30:10.57\00:30:14.07
which they can melt
it and put it together.
00:30:14.11\00:30:18.20
Those are the
attempts that are made and
00:30:18.23\00:30:22.29
I understand the problem.
00:30:22.32\00:30:24.56
So did God make man
via primordial soup?
00:30:24.60\00:30:30.97
Was that an act of God?
00:30:31.01\00:30:33.95
Remember we are talking
about the various images of God.
00:30:33.98\00:30:36.34
Remember we are talking
about the image of God is always
00:30:36.37\00:30:38.69
central and how you view things.
00:30:38.73\00:30:40.90
Your world view will include
the involvement of God at
00:30:40.93\00:30:43.60
some level, if you
believe in God at all,
00:30:43.63\00:30:46.63
if he makes your world view.
00:30:46.67\00:30:48.03
Or can you go with a more direct
biblical account which says.
00:30:48.06\00:30:54.02
Let me spend a few moments
on the biblical account so you
00:30:57.86\00:31:00.58
get that and I assume
a number of you know it.
00:31:00.61\00:31:03.62
Just by way of review God
said, let us make man in our
00:31:03.65\00:31:07.13
image according to our likeness.
00:31:07.17\00:31:09.06
God is apparently in us
and when God spoke, He said we
00:31:09.10\00:31:12.94
are going to make man like us.
00:31:12.97\00:31:16.42
He will enjoy and
understand fellowship.
00:31:16.46\00:31:19.16
I know this is an old picture,
whenever you see Adam he
00:31:19.20\00:31:23.10
is always Caucasian and
blue-eyed and sometimes blonde.
00:31:23.14\00:31:27.01
In this case what, brown?
00:31:27.04\00:31:29.42
Now this is where it gets good.
00:31:44.22\00:31:46.24
And that is this.
00:31:46.28\00:31:48.64
So he took out of man something
and created a woman and
00:31:53.99\00:31:57.50
brought that back
to man to complete man.
00:31:57.53\00:32:00.20
It's interesting that
Adams said this when he saw Eve.
00:32:00.24\00:32:03.10
After he had seen all
these other animals he said.
00:32:03.13\00:32:05.96
I wanted to give you a
little insight gentleman,
00:32:15.15\00:32:18.42
the very first thing that
Adam said when he saw a woman,
00:32:18.46\00:32:22.72
and it's not translated very
well in modern translations,
00:32:22.75\00:32:27.52
some say, oh look or behold,
or now, something like that.
00:32:27.55\00:32:32.29
What the word
actually means WOW.
00:32:32.32\00:32:35.32
Now that is a distinctly
different view of where we
00:32:44.30\00:32:45.27
came from, I think.
00:32:45.31\00:32:47.24
So in God's image
mankind was made in us as well.
00:32:52.27\00:32:56.71
The ultimate experience.
00:32:56.74\00:32:59.34
And that means that God
made man in His image in
00:33:07.21\00:33:11.12
three different ways.
00:33:11.15\00:33:12.73
And have dominion over
the world which also means
00:33:23.69\00:33:25.62
incidentally that we should
be stewards of what God has
00:33:25.65\00:33:27.80
given us and be very
careful on the environment
00:33:27.84\00:33:30.89
if we take
these words seriously.
00:33:30.93\00:33:33.35
So this is very interesting,
Genesis 2 goes into a little
00:33:35.35\00:33:38.00
bit more detail as
to how God created man.
00:33:38.04\00:33:40.85
Do you remember how God did
the creating of things before?
00:33:40.89\00:33:43.32
He just said let
there be, and there was.
00:33:43.36\00:33:45.17
Why doesn't God said, let
there be man, and there was?
00:33:45.20\00:33:48.93
Instead it says.
00:33:48.97\00:33:50.55
The question I have is.
00:33:55.36\00:33:56.35
Is very personal, very hands
on, very close and intimate
00:34:01.75\00:34:05.48
way, I would like to
suggest to you that mankind was
00:34:05.52\00:34:09.22
the ultimate of His creation.
00:34:09.25\00:34:11.69
Everything prior to
that was setting the room up,
00:34:11.72\00:34:15.28
painting and putting the crib
in order and everything else.
00:34:15.31\00:34:18.29
The planet, the food, the
animals, everything God was
00:34:18.33\00:34:23.42
setting up and this was what
God is specially wanted to do,
00:34:23.46\00:34:26.77
was to create
mankind in His image.
00:34:26.81\00:34:30.11
So He enjoyed doing it and
took a little time doing it.
00:34:30.15\00:34:34.29
Now we know a story that
Adam and Eve made some bad
00:34:34.32\00:34:38.40
decisions and loss practically
everything when they fell
00:34:38.43\00:34:41.27
to sin and within just
one generation there was
00:34:41.30\00:34:44.21
murder on the planet.
00:34:44.24\00:34:45.92
The world went downhill rapidly.
00:34:53.19\00:34:55.81
When we talk in the beginning
of the flood we will talk
00:34:55.85\00:34:59.02
about the conditions that
are edited in the fossil record
00:34:59.06\00:35:02.42
that indicate one of the
reasons why God had to destroy
00:35:02.45\00:35:05.78
the planet as He did.
00:35:05.81\00:35:07.34
People have questions, why
did God destroy the planet?
00:35:07.37\00:35:10.37
Things started to go
south on planet Earth very soon
00:35:10.40\00:35:13.97
after great, great, great,
great, grandma and grandpa
00:35:14.00\00:35:17.53
made some mistakes.
00:35:17.57\00:35:19.64
Here's one of the
saddest verses in the Bible.
00:35:19.67\00:35:22.24
God was sad because He
saw how bad things had gotten,
00:35:26.68\00:35:30.78
and all the
suffering on planet Earth.
00:35:30.82\00:35:32.87
To fix things, it is
God's intention to fix things.
00:35:38.17\00:35:42.01
Well I would like to talk
now about the Scopes trial.
00:35:42.04\00:35:47.39
A very significant event in
the history of the discussion on
00:35:47.42\00:35:52.73
where we came from.
00:35:52.77\00:35:54.26
I'm not sure if you are all
familiar with the Scopes trial.
00:35:54.29\00:35:57.66
It is sometimes
called the monkey trial.
00:35:57.70\00:35:59.67
Are you familiar with that?
00:35:59.70\00:36:01.36
The monkey trial took
place in 1925 in a little town,
00:36:01.39\00:36:05.83
Dayton, Tennessee.
00:36:05.86\00:36:08.37
Let me set the stage for you.
00:36:10.90\00:36:14.05
Tennessee was a
state legislator.
00:36:14.08\00:36:16.86
Tennessee was getting pressure
from the constituents of
00:36:16.89\00:36:19.86
Tennessee because they
were hearing that teachers were
00:36:19.89\00:36:23.40
starting to talk in
school about evolution of man.
00:36:23.43\00:36:26.76
That man had developed
from lower animals, monkeys and
00:36:26.79\00:36:29.86
so forth and they thought
that was a negative thing for
00:36:29.89\00:36:33.19
the people of Tennessee so
they and enacted a law that
00:36:33.23\00:36:36.61
said you can teach
evolution, but you cannot teach
00:36:36.64\00:36:39.99
that man evolved.
00:36:40.03\00:36:41.93
So they separated that out.
00:36:41.96\00:36:44.27
Well right away that was
going to be challenged in court.
00:36:44.30\00:36:48.97
There was a fairly new
organization, maybe you have
00:36:49.00\00:36:51.91
heard of it, The
American Civil Liberties Union.
00:36:51.94\00:36:54.78
You may have heard of them,
they decided to make this a
00:36:54.82\00:37:00.67
test case, so they advertised
for a teacher willing to
00:37:00.70\00:37:06.52
bring this to court.
00:37:06.56\00:37:08.08
Would you be willing to
basically be charged with a
00:37:08.11\00:37:11.62
crime, this new Texas law,
and we will defend you for free.
00:37:11.66\00:37:14.61
We'll pay your expenses
and that kind of thing to help
00:37:14.65\00:37:17.14
you through this,
if you want to do that.
00:37:17.18\00:37:18.85
Well Scopes decided he
would be willing to do that.
00:37:18.89\00:37:21.69
This was actually fill-in
teacher, but nevertheless
00:37:21.72\00:37:24.49
he agreed to do this.
00:37:24.53\00:37:26.10
Meanwhile back in town,
there were some businessmen who
00:37:26.14\00:37:31.14
thought, our town
needs some to get on the map.
00:37:31.17\00:37:34.09
We need something
big, what can we do?
00:37:34.12\00:37:36.77
So shall we say, converging
forces came together for
00:37:36.80\00:37:42.16
a very unique event.
00:37:42.20\00:37:44.00
So this became the
trial of the century.
00:37:44.04\00:37:47.60
Both sides hired the very
best attorneys of the day.
00:37:47.64\00:37:52.46
If you go to this place
today, you will find a very nice
00:37:52.49\00:37:56.65
Museum, the original County
Courthouse is still there.
00:37:56.68\00:38:00.55
There is a basement display
of all the things that took
00:38:00.58\00:38:04.41
place and the original
room where everybody was
00:38:04.44\00:38:06.54
arguing and talking.
00:38:06.58\00:38:08.32
The microphones were all set
and everything is still there,
00:38:08.35\00:38:11.09
it is a very interesting place.
00:38:11.12\00:38:12.86
So it involves John Scopes,
and it involves of course two
00:38:12.89\00:38:16.72
heavyweight lawyers.
00:38:16.75\00:38:19.38
We have seen big
trials in the last few years,
00:38:19.41\00:38:22.27
but this was as big as it came.
00:38:22.31\00:38:25.42
On the left is Clarence
Darrell, he was a famous defense
00:38:25.45\00:38:29.81
attorney, he had just had
the equivalent of a OJ Simpson
00:38:29.84\00:38:34.69
type trial, a murder trial
prior to this involving a very
00:38:34.73\00:38:39.55
famous murder in America.
00:38:39.58\00:38:41.42
He did the defense and was
in all the papers so they hired
00:38:41.45\00:38:45.98
him to defend John Scopes.
00:38:46.01\00:38:48.95
On the other side, to prosecute
him was, William Jennings
00:38:48.99\00:38:52.30
Bryant who at one time
had been a secretary of state.
00:38:52.34\00:38:55.52
He was considered at the
time to be one of the nation's
00:38:55.55\00:38:58.69
best orators, best talkers.
00:38:58.73\00:39:01.37
So between the two
these were two heavyweights.
00:39:01.40\00:39:04.55
Darrell was an agnostic
and Bryant was a conservative
00:39:04.59\00:39:09.92
Christian, so that added
fuel to what would take place.
00:39:09.95\00:39:14.52
It was an amazing trial talking
about where we came from,
00:39:14.56\00:39:19.10
and are you challenging this?
00:39:19.13\00:39:21.97
Bryant would challenge are
you saying we came from monkeys?
00:39:22.00\00:39:24.83
Are you happy your grandparents
were monkeys or something?
00:39:24.86\00:39:27.65
There were be those shots
and back toward Bryant was
00:39:27.69\00:39:32.00
how old was the earth?
00:39:32.03\00:39:33.42
Do you really think so, and
educated people don't think that
00:39:33.45\00:39:36.22
Back-and-forth
shots across the aisle.
00:39:36.25\00:39:41.43
I am wondering if this is the
origin of the famous question
00:39:41.47\00:39:44.55
that often comes up.
00:39:44.59\00:39:46.16
I'm kind of grateful it
hasn't come on the card yet.
00:39:46.19\00:39:48.67
Where did Cain get his wife?
00:39:48.70\00:39:50.66
That was actually at this trial,
where did Cain get his wife?
00:39:50.69\00:39:54.35
Does everybody know
were Cain got his wife?
00:39:54.39\00:39:57.32
Don't know? Take a look at
Scripture and you will find that
00:39:57.35\00:40:00.73
Adam and Eve had
many sons and daughters.
00:40:00.77\00:40:03.02
The first generation of
all living things intermarried.
00:40:03.05\00:40:07.21
That's just how it was
the first generation or two.
00:40:07.24\00:40:11.36
But anyway I
chased a rabbit there.
00:40:11.39\00:40:15.01
This was the first nationally
broadcast cast news event
00:40:18.55\00:40:23.61
in the history of
the United States.
00:40:23.64\00:40:25.88
So they gave a blow-by-blow,
you would think they were
00:40:25.92\00:40:27.77
doing something like boxing.
00:40:27.80\00:40:29.81
There was a right
and then there was left.
00:40:29.84\00:40:32.09
They would be reporting
the arguments and Darrell and
00:40:32.13\00:40:37.38
Bryant were on
the radio in 1925.
00:40:37.41\00:40:40.18
It was a big deal.
00:40:40.22\00:40:41.67
Stormy scenes in the trial
of Scopes as Darrell moves to
00:40:41.71\00:40:45.13
bar all prayers, because
Bryant wanted to maneuver by
00:40:45.16\00:40:47.52
saying can we have
prayer before they get started?
00:40:47.56\00:40:49.88
No, the typical kind of fights.
00:40:49.92\00:40:53.25
The papers love this thing.
00:40:55.78\00:40:58.87
The papers just loved it.
00:40:58.90\00:41:01.92
And Bryant of course
did his talking, preaching.
00:41:01.96\00:41:04.55
It was quite a show.
00:41:04.58\00:41:07.38
Let me end it on this thought,
the way it ended was this.
00:41:07.41\00:41:13.54
Scopes was declared guilty
because he had actually taught
00:41:13.57\00:41:19.66
evolution from
one of these books.
00:41:19.69\00:41:24.58
This is actually a Civic
biology, Hunter's Civic Biology
00:41:24.61\00:41:28.33
original in 1914 edition
was taught from this book.
00:41:28.37\00:41:32.65
I'm going to read you something
from it in just a minute.
00:41:32.69\00:41:35.64
I think you'll find it
interesting, but he technically
00:41:35.68\00:41:38.72
lost but was freed on
something they didn't do right.
00:41:38.76\00:41:41.76
So a technicality
actually got him off.
00:41:41.80\00:41:43.65
Here's the thing that is
significant in the whole subject
00:41:43.68\00:41:45.46
of the origins of man.
00:41:45.50\00:41:46.76
Listen to this.
00:41:46.79\00:41:48.50
Darrell was an expert at
raising doubts and questions.
00:41:48.54\00:41:54.04
Pointing out weaknesses
in Christian arguments on
00:41:54.08\00:41:56.83
creationism and
the age of the earth,
00:41:56.86\00:41:58.88
and things like that.
00:41:58.91\00:42:00.00
He was an expert at it.
00:42:00.04\00:42:01.05
He secretly agree with
Bryant ahead of time by saying
00:42:01.09\00:42:04.45
I'm going to talk
about interviewing you and
00:42:04.48\00:42:07.41
putting you on the
stand, is that okay?
00:42:07.45\00:42:09.12
So he did, you can put
me on the stand afterwards.
00:42:09.15\00:42:11.94
After Bryant had got up
and did all that he says some
00:42:11.98\00:42:14.74
things that you
wish he hadn't said.
00:42:14.77\00:42:19.04
Then when it was time to
turn, Darrell moved that nothing
00:42:19.08\00:42:23.85
further be done and for
them to go ahead make a decision
00:42:23.89\00:42:28.62
and he didn't end up on the seat
after all and got out of it.
00:42:28.66\00:42:31.44
Anyway these were
slick guys, both of them.
00:42:31.48\00:42:34.46
As it turned out, creationism
took a huge hit because we
00:42:34.49\00:42:40.30
didn't have good
answers at the time.
00:42:40.33\00:42:42.14
Darrell was well prepared
to ask big questions that
00:42:42.17\00:42:46.20
didn't have good quick answers.
00:42:46.24\00:42:47.88
So creationists, even though
technically the law stood in
00:42:47.91\00:42:51.22
Tennessee for a
while after this.
00:42:51.25\00:42:53.67
Technically Scopes was
guilty, nevertheless creationism
00:42:53.70\00:42:57.30
lost tremendously
in this public trial.
00:42:57.34\00:43:00.60
It ended up inspiring "Inherit
the Wind," have you seen
00:43:00.63\00:43:04.38
that movie with Spencer
Tracy where in essence he took
00:43:04.41\00:43:08.12
Clarence Darrell's role in
the movie and make Christians
00:43:12.80\00:43:16.28
look really, really dumb on
the subject of where mankind
00:43:16.32\00:43:19.76
came from in
history of the world.
00:43:19.80\00:43:21.54
So that is the
fallout from the Scopes trial.
00:43:21.58\00:43:26.66
Even though technically
the law was on the books for a
00:43:26.69\00:43:29.30
number of years afterwards,
decades afterwards, it wasn't
00:43:29.33\00:43:32.28
really prosecuted and people
were not really brought to
00:43:32.32\00:43:35.23
trial over it after this.
00:43:35.27\00:43:36.75
So from that point on he
would be safe to say that
00:43:36.79\00:43:40.40
creationism slid out of, as
being taught about in school.
00:43:40.44\00:43:45.20
Slowly but surely
evolution took over.
00:43:45.23\00:43:47.70
To some extent was affected
by the publication perception
00:43:47.73\00:43:52.21
that came out of
the Scopes trial.
00:43:52.24\00:43:54.13
Now I want to talk about
something else that was a
00:43:54.17\00:43:56.68
sensational thing, here
is another sensational story.
00:43:56.72\00:43:59.20
The Piltdown hoax.
00:43:59.23\00:44:02.91
In 1913, I believe it was,
in Piltdown England a man said
00:44:06.97\00:44:13.69
that he found part of a
skull and didn't know what
00:44:13.73\00:44:17.45
to do with it.
00:44:17.48\00:44:18.65
He brought it to the experts
and one thing led to another.
00:44:18.68\00:44:21.64
They found a partial
jaw, teeth and so forth.
00:44:21.67\00:44:25.59
They thought,
what is this thing?
00:44:25.63\00:44:28.38
This is not
human, not quite human.
00:44:28.42\00:44:31.11
As turned out they put it on
display in the British Museum
00:44:31.14\00:44:34.99
and it was a sensational
find, the Piltdown man.
00:44:35.02\00:44:37.28
He was put on display in
the British Museum for 40 years.
00:44:37.31\00:44:41.34
It wasn't until 1953 that
they took it out of the museum
00:44:43.08\00:44:46.56
because it was
found to be manufactured.
00:44:46.60\00:44:49.76
It was a hoax.
00:44:49.80\00:44:51.06
It was a human top of the
head, which was probably a
00:44:51.09\00:44:53.54
medieval head,
like 500 years old.
00:44:53.58\00:44:55.72
An old English head,
this part of the skull.
00:44:55.76\00:44:58.77
Then the jaw was
from an orangutan.
00:44:58.81\00:45:01.94
They filed the teeth
down to where it looked
00:45:01.97\00:45:07.40
a little more human.
00:45:07.43\00:45:09.11
So for 40 years it was on
display and absolute top of
00:45:09.14\00:45:13.66
the field experts took
it to be evidence of human
00:45:13.69\00:45:18.18
ancestry from apes.
00:45:18.21\00:45:20.56
This is a tremendously
embarrassing thing and I want to
00:45:20.60\00:45:23.12
say that creationists have
done some very embarrassing
00:45:23.15\00:45:26.03
things too, I can also
cite stories but for personal
00:45:26.06\00:45:28.90
reasons I do not
want us to look too bad.
00:45:28.93\00:45:30.60
There are some stories
where creationists have also
00:45:30.63\00:45:35.70
fumbled over things
they were hopeful about.
00:45:35.73\00:45:38.31
For instance, human footprints
and dinosaur footprints
00:45:38.35\00:45:42.52
together and the
stories there have not been
00:45:42.55\00:45:44.35
panning out so well.
00:45:44.38\00:45:46.07
So the point is they
believe this to be evidence,
00:45:46.11\00:45:49.55
and solid supportable evidence,
because it fits the image
00:45:49.59\00:45:53.93
in the world view
they have already in place.
00:45:53.96\00:45:56.12
They expected to find something
that looked sort of human
00:45:56.16\00:45:59.41
and sort of ape like, and when
they were presented with it,
00:45:59.44\00:46:02.66
they accepted it.
00:46:02.70\00:46:05.00
Even though there were some
experts for a number of years
00:46:05.04\00:46:08.95
saying, this doesn't look
really right, have you taken
00:46:08.99\00:46:12.87
a good look at it?
00:46:12.91\00:46:14.32
There were other experts saying
it looked a little too good.
00:46:14.36\00:46:17.41
So the Piltdown hoax is
one of the more famous stories.
00:46:17.44\00:46:22.38
So the Scopes trial, the
Piltdown hoax, there are lot
00:46:22.42\00:46:27.29
of things that are spotted,
the debate on our human ancestry
00:46:27.33\00:46:31.45
over the years are not good
and solid and happy stories.
00:46:31.49\00:46:35.01
Some of them are some
fantastic things that have taken
00:46:35.04\00:46:38.53
place on both
sides of the aisle.
00:46:38.57\00:46:40.31
So here's the Piltdown area
where they went back looking
00:46:40.34\00:46:43.92
for more, and it is
almost like a murder mystery.
00:46:43.96\00:46:48.02
It is just an unsolved thing
to this day they do not know
00:46:48.06\00:46:51.45
who it was that filed the teeth
down and tried to perpetuate
00:46:51.49\00:46:54.85
the hoax, to this day
it is an unsolved mystery.
00:46:54.89\00:46:58.20
It makes for good books.
00:46:58.24\00:47:00.92
Anthropology has been
using this as a support.
00:47:00.96\00:47:06.81
Maybe you have heard about
the famous Haeckel drawings
00:47:06.85\00:47:11.20
phylogeny and ontogeny,
phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny
00:47:11.24\00:47:15.56
Or did I say that backwards?
00:47:15.59\00:47:18.60
That is the famous drawings
that came out of the 1870s
00:47:18.64\00:47:24.41
by someone who was
agreeing with Darwin.
00:47:24.44\00:47:26.36
He said have you ever looked
at embryos at certain places
00:47:26.40\00:47:29.44
in the development of embryos,
animals look very similar.
00:47:29.48\00:47:33.01
Maybe as they are growing
into more mature animals they
00:47:33.04\00:47:37.80
are actually, kind of, by
stage re-living evolution.
00:47:37.84\00:47:42.53
Maybe they are going from
small and simple to complex and
00:47:42.57\00:47:45.55
they just are recapitulating
or re-living evolution.
00:47:45.59\00:47:53.23
For years something like this
has appeared in biology books.
00:47:53.26\00:47:56.58
I remember seeing this in
biology books, in public school
00:47:56.62\00:47:59.91
as a kid, this has been
considered good evidence
00:47:59.94\00:48:03.43
to this day.
00:48:03.46\00:48:04.77
Even now you occasionally
see pictures using this as
00:48:04.80\00:48:08.61
supportive of evolution.
00:48:08.64\00:48:10.42
The problem is, and of course
creationists are delighted
00:48:10.46\00:48:15.07
to point this out, that
these were doctored pictures in
00:48:15.11\00:48:19.68
a number of places.
00:48:19.72\00:48:21.40
The scale is not right
and a lot of things are added,
00:48:21.43\00:48:24.97
subtracted, and is attempted
to make for instance the
00:48:25.00\00:48:27.84
gills to look like there
were gills on things when
00:48:27.88\00:48:30.68
they really weren't.
00:48:30.71\00:48:31.97
A lot of things like that
to where this is considered
00:48:32.00\00:48:35.45
to be poor evidence now for
evolution, even though it seems
00:48:35.48\00:48:38.95
to be still around.
00:48:38.98\00:48:40.49
For instance, here is a fairly
modern book that still has
00:48:40.52\00:48:43.66
it in even though Haeckel's
pictures were clearly altered
00:48:43.70\00:48:46.53
and is significantly enough
to where evolutionist leaders
00:48:46.56\00:48:49.36
said, we shouldn't
use it in our books.
00:48:49.40\00:48:52.49
But it hasn't quite got
around to everybody yet.
00:48:52.53\00:48:55.11
I wanted to read this little
section from the Civic Biology
00:48:58.70\00:49:01.71
book by Hunter here
because one of the impacts that
00:49:01.75\00:49:06.33
Darwinism had on the
subject of humanity is in the
00:49:06.37\00:49:10.92
area of social Darwinism.
00:49:10.96\00:49:12.67
I know that people get
defensive when we talk about
00:49:12.70\00:49:14.47
this because we do not want
to suggest that everybody who
00:49:14.51\00:49:18.28
was an Darwinist and is somehow
is short on the moral ladder.
00:49:18.31\00:49:22.04
We do not want
to say that at all.
00:49:22.08\00:49:24.32
That is an unfair thing
to say and I resent it when
00:49:24.35\00:49:26.48
I hear
creationist suggesting it.
00:49:26.51\00:49:28.14
But I will also say this,
there are some interesting
00:49:28.18\00:49:31.48
developments that have
come from people who were great
00:49:31.52\00:49:34.78
believers in the
evolution of man.
00:49:34.82\00:49:37.61
Let me just read to you,
for instance from the book,
00:49:37.64\00:49:40.51
that Scopes was teaching from.
00:49:40.54\00:49:42.56
This is on page 196, in
fact I will blow it up here.
00:49:42.60\00:49:47.20
This is the part that
I am reading and we will
00:49:47.24\00:49:50.07
let you see it yourself.
00:49:50.10\00:49:51.50
And that is in the chapter
teaching about human evolution
00:50:11.05\00:50:14.25
that Scopes was
being challenged for.
00:50:14.29\00:50:17.36
You never hear this thing
talked about when we talk about
00:50:17.39\00:50:21.73
social Darwinism, a lot of
unfair things I mentioned before
00:50:21.76\00:50:25.60
are said, but let me quote
to you some fairly well-known
00:50:25.64\00:50:29.44
evolutionist
talking about the subject.
00:50:29.47\00:50:31.74
The least of which
is Stephen Jay Gould.
00:50:31.78\00:50:34.01
He said this.
00:50:34.05\00:50:35.49
Now take a look at this cover
page for Origin of Species.
00:50:57.15\00:51:01.55
Take a look at the
middle there were it says,
00:51:01.59\00:51:03.59
The Preservation
Of Favored Races.
00:51:03.63\00:51:06.04
At the time Darwin wrote
this, the British Empire ran
00:51:08.23\00:51:14.85
the world pretty much.
00:51:14.89\00:51:17.22
The sun never set
on the British Empire,
00:51:17.26\00:51:19.86
as the old saying goes.
00:51:19.89\00:51:21.46
How can you
explain that biologically?
00:51:21.49\00:51:25.19
Well among other things
you might be able to explain it
00:51:25.22\00:51:28.36
with the social implications
of evolution and that is the
00:51:28.40\00:51:31.50
survival of the fittest.
00:51:31.54\00:51:33.15
The most fit are in charge.
00:51:33.19\00:51:34.73
It may be a social way of
underlying why the British were
00:51:34.76\00:51:39.75
the favorite race of the day.
00:51:39.79\00:51:41.79
It was because
they seem to be fit.
00:51:41.82\00:51:44.24
Anyway, I realize that is
a bit controversial but let
00:51:44.27\00:51:48.04
me talk a little bit
about Charles Darwin's cousin,
00:51:48.07\00:51:51.80
Sir Francis Galton.
00:51:51.83\00:51:53.99
"Eu" means good?, euthanasia,
a good death, Euangelon,
00:52:01.25\00:52:06.68
is where we get evangelism,
Euangelon means good message.
00:52:06.72\00:52:12.11
Again this is the
cousin of Charles Darwin.
00:52:19.44\00:52:22.79
Darwin did not always agree
with the social implications
00:52:22.82\00:52:26.85
of his cousin, but
others did agree with Galton and
00:52:26.88\00:52:31.46
certainly a great belief
of eugenics was Adolf Hitler.
00:52:31.49\00:52:36.00
You know the story there on
the idea of perfecting the human
00:52:36.04\00:52:39.98
race by human
engineering, human evolution.
00:52:40.01\00:52:43.17
Although we are abhorred by
the idea of eliminating any race
00:52:43.21\00:52:48.77
of people, or any kind of
people, from a strictly logical
00:52:48.80\00:52:53.48
standpoint, it does make
sense if we are interested in
00:52:53.52\00:52:57.18
preserving the human race
to at least look at ways in
00:52:57.22\00:53:00.44
which we can improve the
human race and that gets into
00:53:00.48\00:53:03.67
some interesting areas.
00:53:03.70\00:53:06.22
I will leave it at that.
00:53:06.25\00:53:08.70
Who would be in
charge of that sort of thing?
00:53:08.74\00:53:10.68
So the implications of the
Scopes trial are interesting
00:53:10.71\00:53:14.26
because back in that day
you could talk about evolution.
00:53:14.29\00:53:17.42
You couldn't talk about human
evolution, and certainly in
00:53:17.45\00:53:20.54
a classroom, however
today if you try to speak about
00:53:20.57\00:53:23.79
anything but human evolution
in the classroom, you will
00:53:23.83\00:53:27.01
get the dunce sitting
in a corner treatment.
00:53:27.05\00:53:30.08
You cannot talk
about intelligent designer,
00:53:30.11\00:53:32.79
or anything else in a
public school setting.
00:53:32.82\00:53:35.46
Have you seen
the movie "Expelled"?
00:53:35.50\00:53:38.76
I recommend it, but it does
illustrate what I illustrated
00:53:38.80\00:53:42.51
yesterday in my own journey.
00:53:42.55\00:53:45.01
I should say the first night
my own personal journey when
00:53:45.05\00:53:48.30
I encountered, I
thought, in science.
00:53:48.34\00:53:50.11
A lack of willingness to talk
about theories on the origin
00:53:50.15\00:53:56.29
that in any way diverted
from the Darwinian view.
00:53:56.32\00:54:00.14
It seemed like there was a
difficulty in talking about it.
00:54:00.17\00:54:03.31
So I recommend the movie
if you get a chance to see it.
00:54:03.34\00:54:06.45
If the person doesn't
think there is a God to be
00:54:06.48\00:54:08.97
accountable to, then what
is the point of, this is an
00:54:09.01\00:54:13.28
interview, trying to
modify your behavior to keep it
00:54:13.32\00:54:17.56
within acceptable ranges?
00:54:17.60\00:54:19.53
That's how I
thought about it anyway.
00:54:19.57\00:54:21.14
"I always believe the theory
of evolution was truth and"
00:54:21.17\00:54:23.96
"that we all just came from
the slime and we died that was"
00:54:24.00\00:54:26.76
it, there is nothing. "
00:54:26.79\00:54:28.50
Now guess who said that?
00:54:28.53\00:54:30.21
That was
actually Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:54:31.92\00:54:33.80
If you remember the story
of that man, a very gruesome
00:54:33.83\00:54:36.73
tale of a mass murderer.
00:54:36.77\00:54:39.45
His moral boundaries, at
least for him, was somewhat
00:54:39.49\00:54:45.68
established by the
Idea he was just slime.
00:54:45.71\00:54:48.45
There was nothing in the future
anyway so this life was it.
00:54:48.48\00:54:51.98
I'm not saying that that
is a natural occurrence from
00:54:53.48\00:54:55.97
Darwinism, it is not a natural
A. equals B. equals C. thing.
00:54:56.00\00:55:01.01
It goes from this, to
this, to this, to this.
00:55:01.05\00:55:02.65
It is interesting that
it's somehow contributes to,
00:55:02.68\00:55:05.34
how should I say, to the
despair some people feel about
00:55:05.38\00:55:09.58
their own selves.
00:55:09.61\00:55:11.52
So the question remains, is
there a Divine hand in any way
00:55:11.56\00:55:15.36
directing anything, or
are we here by the way of a
00:55:15.40\00:55:18.99
Divine hand or not?
00:55:19.02\00:55:20.82
Biblical records of humanity
is a very, very high record
00:55:20.85\00:55:24.99
according to the Bible.
00:55:25.03\00:55:26.87
We were created in the image
of God, with a Divine image
00:55:26.91\00:55:30.46
as the map that
God used in forming us.
00:55:30.50\00:55:34.83
If on the other hand you
feel like you are fortunate
00:55:34.87\00:55:40.35
creature, I can't use the
word creature, being that has
00:55:40.39\00:55:45.06
come here by a way of
series of accidents, and you are
00:55:45.10\00:55:48.97
riding on a planet that's
here, fortunately just right
00:55:49.01\00:55:55.18
for you to occupy, and
you have absolutely nothing
00:55:55.21\00:56:01.31
in the future particularly
to go to, I think it does affect
00:56:01.34\00:56:06.23
your self image.
00:56:06.26\00:56:08.52
Remember those
glasses we talked about.
00:56:08.55\00:56:10.50
Remember the worldview, the
worldview is also is something
00:56:10.53\00:56:14.12
you see yourself in
the mirror when you look.
00:56:14.15\00:56:16.97
You have a
concept of who you are.
00:56:17.01\00:56:18.83
If there is anything about
evolution that really bugs me,
00:56:18.86\00:56:23.71
it's what I consider to be
a fairly low view of a human.
00:56:23.74\00:56:27.92
That we are simply just one
of many kinds of critters with
00:56:27.96\00:56:32.10
no particular future
different from anybody else's.
00:56:32.14\00:56:36.26
If, I'm just going to say
this for you to think about.
00:56:36.29\00:56:40.92
If in fact the biblical account
is closer to the truth and
00:56:40.96\00:56:45.55
we have a Divine
origin, with a Divine purpose.
00:56:45.59\00:56:47.82
For people to have lost sight
of that and lost out on that
00:56:47.85\00:56:52.31
information, to me it is
something that will motivate
00:56:52.35\00:56:54.85
me to talk to
groups like yourselves.
00:56:54.89\00:56:57.23
I thing it is something that
will affect positively people's
00:56:57.27\00:57:00.34
images of themselves if
they know this, what I consider
00:57:00.38\00:57:03.38
a truth and supportable by my
own experience and with God, the
00:57:03.42\00:57:08.16
things I read about and I
don't find conflicting things in
00:57:08.19\00:57:12.59
nature that will
shake me from that view.
00:57:12.62\00:57:14.74
That is my view.
00:57:14.78\00:57:16.07
I don't think were pond scum.
00:57:16.10\00:57:17.63
I think we are
here by a Divine hand.
00:57:17.67\00:57:19.72
I hope you
enjoyed the talk today.
00:57:19.75\00:57:21.77
Thank you very much.
00:57:21.80\00:57:22.98