In Search of the Truth

Crossing Over

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Participants: Pastor Charles Byrd

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00:01 Welcome to our ongoing series "In Search of the Truth".
00:05 I'm Karen Bird.
00:07 Recently, Charles and I went to see the only remaining object
00:10 of the 7 Wonders of the World.
00:14 It is the Great Pyramid of Giza.
00:17 This tomb was built with as many as 2.3 million stone blocks,
00:22 each averaging 2.5 tones.
00:24 Some of the blocks weighed as much as 16 tones.
00:28 There are many fascinating facts about this building
00:31 built to house the remains of Pharaoh Khufu.
00:33 The base of the pyramid covers 13 acres,
00:36 and its angles are precisely aligned to the stars.
00:40 Without any of our modern equipment, they harvested these
00:44 large stones from quarries and drudged them to, and up,
00:47 the Great Pyramid.
00:49 This tomb is some 50 stories tall.
00:53 This tomb was robbed, along with almost all the others
00:56 in Egypt, of its gold and precious artifacts.
01:00 The only known tomb undisturbed by the grave robbers,
01:03 was that of Tutankhamen.
01:05 We visited the museum in Cairo and saw many of the items
01:09 from his tomb, along with the golden face mask that covered
01:12 the head of the youthful monarch.
01:15 But do you know the number one reason so many
01:18 of the Egyptians put so much effort into their tombs?
01:22 They believed they had an immortal soul, their "ka",
01:26 and they wanted to make comfortable provision
01:29 for that afterlife.
01:31 Today, even Christians have adopted this belief
01:34 in an immortal soul, but does this belief square
01:36 with the truth taught by the God of creation?
01:40 Let's join Charles as he goes in search of the truth about death.
01:45 [Introductory Music]
02:32 "Crossing Over" with John Edwards,
02:34 it's causing quite a stir.
02:36 It makes people want to believe in actually talking to those
02:40 who have crossed over ahead of us.
02:42 Can we?
02:44 I had an interesting experience myself talking to a lady
02:47 in Mifflintown, Pennsylvania.
02:49 After I had held a series of meetings, she came to me
02:51 one evening with this story.
02:54 She said that she would go over to her elderly mother's
02:56 house every week, and take her grocery shopping,
02:59 out to eat, something warm and special
03:01 in her mother's waning years.
03:03 She brought her home one evening,
03:05 something strange was there.
03:07 They came into the door and she felt a presence in the house.
03:11 Her mother wanted to go to the bathroom, so she took her there,
03:14 and then went out in search of that presence.
03:17 As she came down the hall and turned to the kitchen,
03:20 there, leaning against the counter was her step dad
03:23 smoking his favorite pipe.
03:26 There's just one problem, her step dad was dead.
03:31 She didn't acknowledge him, she turned around and went back
03:34 to the bathroom, got her mother and as they came
03:37 to the bathroom door, her step dad walked
03:39 right in front of them, past them and on down the hall.
03:44 Strange experience indeed to come home and find
03:46 your departed step dad in your kitchen, smoking a pipe,
03:51 but stranger still is to actually look
03:53 for those kind of experiences.
03:56 One of those stories is found in the Bible in 1 Samuel 28.
04:01 It's the story of King Saul.
04:04 About 55 miles north of Jerusalem
04:06 is the Valley of Jezreel.
04:08 On the right of the valley is the hill of Gilboa.
04:13 We're standing today on the Mountain of Gilboa.
04:16 Saul and his soldiers were camped out here
04:18 at the foot of Mount Gilead,
04:19 about to do battle with the Philistines.
04:22 The Philistines had been taking advantage of the kingdom of Saul
04:25 because he had been wasting his time chasing David,
04:28 and now they were controlling the iron mines down here
04:32 in the city of Beth Shean.
04:35 Saul is afraid because the Philistines
04:38 are stronger than he, and he doesn't have any word
04:40 from the Lord. And so he begins to pray, and nothing happens.
04:45 He waits for a priest to come, nothing happens.
04:48 He waits for a prophet to talk to him, nothing happens,
04:51 so in desperation, he comes down, breaks through the lines
04:55 with two of his men, crosses over behind this hill here,
05:00 ends up behind this city on the ridge there, at Endor,
05:03 where he talks to a witch.
05:06 And there he spoke with Samuel
05:11 ...or... was it?
05:13 There's no need for us to wonder about the other side,
05:17 no need for us to wonder about those who have crossed over.
05:20 We can answer this question not from speculation,
05:25 or even anecdotal evidence.
05:26 You can know from God's word what happens when someone dies.
05:32 To understand our end, we must understand our beginning.
05:37 And to do that we go back to the book of Genesis.
05:40 In the book of Genesis 2:7, we find how we were created.
05:45 How God developed and formed us in His very image.
05:49 [Text on screen].
06:03 How did man become what he is?
06:05 First off, God formed the of the ground,
06:08 then He breathed into its nostrils the breath of life,
06:11 and man became a living soul.
06:15 Notice that he wasn't given a soul, he became a soul.
06:19 A soul is what he is.
06:22 And this exact process can happen in reverse - and does -
06:26 when a person dies.
06:28 Look what it says in Ecclesiastes 12:7
06:31 [Text on Screen]
06:39 That's how the process works. A person is born,
06:43 the body receives the breath of God and becomes a living soul.
06:47 It happens the same way in reverse
06:50 - the breath returns to God, the dust returns to the earth,
06:54 and the man, or the living being or the soul, ceases to be.
06:58 But you might be asking:
07:00 "Charles, the spirit doesn't die does it?"
07:03 "Doesn't the spirit return to God?"
07:05 The answer is "Yes, it does. "
07:08 The question is: What is the spirit?
07:11 To find the answer to that question we must once again
07:14 go back to The Bible for the answer.
07:17 In James 2:26, we read [Text on Screen].
07:23 So what is the spirit?
07:26 When you look up in the Strong's Exhaust of Concordance
07:29 the word "spirit", you discover it comes
07:31 from the Greek word pneuma.
07:34 It's where we get words like "pneumatic drill"
07:37 or "pneumatic hammer" or "pneumonia",
07:40 and what the word simply means is "breath".
07:44 So we could look at the text again,
07:46 and what the text simply says is:
07:48 "... The body without the breath is dead... "
07:53 Job has the same message for us
07:55 in the book of Job 27:3 [Text on Screen].
08:05 Job said that when the Spirit of God was in his nostrils,
08:10 he had breath.
08:12 Simply understood, the Spirit of God,
08:15 or the Breath of God, is that spark of life.
08:19 It is not some supernatural intelligence
08:22 that resides within us, it is that spark of life
08:26 that keeps us living.
08:28 You know, we were created to live forever.
08:30 That's something that we desire, something that we want,
08:33 something that we feel like we should have,
08:36 and that's the way God meant it to be.
08:38 And so we would like our spirit to live on forever,
08:42 but the breath, or the spark of life, simply goes back to God.
08:46 But what about the soul, does the soul live forever?
08:50 Well, to understand that, we go back to Genesis 2:7 again
08:54 [Text on Screen]
09:03 Once again, we discover that this is not something
09:06 that we have, but a soul is simply something that we are.
09:12 Contained in the simple Bible texts, is a Biblical formula
09:15 that helps us to understand where we came from,
09:18 and where we're going.
09:21 God starts with dust. And from that dust He creates a body.
09:25 Then He adds to that body breath, or spirit.
09:30 What does that equal?
09:32 It equals life, or as the Bible tells us in Genesis 2:7
09:36 "... a soul".
09:37 But what happens if that formula goes in reverse,
09:41 and the body loses its breath, then you have death.
09:45 The same thing would be true for the soul.
09:47 The soul dies, it ceases to exist.
09:52 Much the same way you would have with a light
09:54 and a light bulb. You take a light bulb,
09:56 add electricity and you have light.
09:59 If you take away the electricity, or the spirit,
10:02 the light just ceases to exist.
10:05 When Genesis 2:7 says that man become a living soul,
10:09 it is something that we are,
10:10 it isn't something that we have.
10:12 And when we die, when the breath goes back to God,
10:16 and the body is laid in the dust,
10:18 the soul ceases to exist.
10:21 So how did we come to the conclusion that we have
10:23 an immortal soul, that lives on and on
10:26 - a spirit consciousness that survives the grave?
10:30 Our first parents in the Garden of Eden were lied to.
10:35 The Bible tells us in Genesis 3:4 [Text on Screen].
10:44 From that day to this, people have chosen to believe his lie,
10:50 instead of God's plain written truth.
10:54 The serpent's lie did have an element of truth in it,
10:57 for God did design man to live forever.
11:00 And their desire to be "forever beings" is a legitimate desire,
11:05 but we've tried to fulfill it in illegitimate ways.
11:08 People all over the globe have believed in the immortality
11:11 of the soul from Egypt, all the way to Bali,
11:15 people have lived their life around this belief.
11:19 But what does the Bible say about the soul?
11:23 In Ezekiel 18:20, it says [Text on Screen]
11:30 John believed the same thing when he saw
11:33 an apocalyptic vision: the angels pouring out
11:36 bowls of plagues upon the Earth.
11:38 He tells us about it in Revelation 16:3 [Text on Screen]
11:53 The New King James translates the word "soul" as "creature",
11:57 a fair translation, because man becomes a living soul,
12:02 or a living creature, or a living being.
12:06 That's why in the old newspapers,
12:08 when there was a great fire they would say
12:10 "25 souls were lost".
12:13 When a soul is lost, when a person dies,
12:16 and those of us who love them come and pay our last respects,
12:20 when we look at them lying there, there's something
12:23 that God wants to tell us, something that He wants us
12:25 to know about those who have passed on.
12:28 We can read about it in Eccles. 9:5 [Text on Screen].
12:38 Listen to what God says: the living know that they'll die,
12:42 but once they're lying there, they don't know anything.
12:45 They have no more reward, for the memory of them
12:49 is forgotten. "For the living know that they will die,"
12:52 "but the dead know nothing".
12:55 I think that's pretty clear.
12:57 The living know that they will die.
12:59 When we come to the funeral and we see those
13:01 that we love lying there, we know that our fate
13:04 will be like theirs.
13:05 We all know that if we live long enough
13:08 we'll end up in that same box.
13:11 But the dead, what do they know when they're lying there?
13:13 What are they feeling?
13:15 Nothing.
13:16 The text goes on to say that "they have no more reward,"
13:19 "for the memory of them is forgotten".
13:22 "Their love, their hatred, their envy, it all has perished. "
13:28 "Never more will they have a share of anything"
13:31 "done under the sun. "
13:33 Never more will they have any participation.
13:36 They're not watching what's going on,
13:38 they're not grieving over what's happening,
13:40 they're not rejoicing, they're not rejoicing at all.
13:43 In fact, Psalms tells us [Text on Screen]
13:50 Once again, the Word of God is clear.
13:53 Dead people are not praising the Lord,
13:55 those who are gone down into their graves
13:57 are resting quietly in silence.
13:59 "Whoa, don't confuse me with the facts here. "
14:01 I hear someone asking: "I thought grandma was in Heaven"
14:04 "with God right now, I thought she was praising Jesus,"
14:07 "looking down on me, answering my prayers. "
14:10 Well, let's look at the facts as they're found in God's word.
14:13 New Testament doctrine, Acts Chapter 2.
14:17 Peter was preaching on the Day of Pentecost,
14:19 and as he was preaching, he got to talking about David.
14:23 Now any of us who know the Bible, would believe that if
14:26 anyone would go to Heaven when they die,
14:28 it would certainly be David.
14:30 David, the man after God's own heart.
14:33 David, the man who loved God and repented greatly.
14:36 David, who chose God's way.
14:39 David, who was talked about over and over in scripture as
14:42 "the man who followed God".
14:45 But Peter, in preaching about David, says this in verse 29
14:50 [Text on Screen]
14:59 Ahah, but you're saying "Yes,"
15:01 "his tomb is with us to this day,"
15:03 "that's where they laid his body,"
15:06 "but he went to be with the Lord. "
15:09 That's not what Peter says in verse 34.
15:12 In verse 34 he says [Text on Screen].
15:18 David isn't with the Lord in heaven, David is resting.
15:23 Just a moment, just a slight, brief intermission until
15:28 that great resurrection morning.
15:30 Peter did not invent this doctrine, this concept that when
15:34 people die they just rest in the grave.
15:37 Peter learned this truth from Jesus Himself.
15:40 From the Son of God who came to reveal all truth.
15:43 This is what Jesus taught us in John 5:28 [Text on Screen]
15:56 Now let me ask you, if all the dead people are with God
16:00 in heaven, when Jesus comes back for that resurrection,
16:03 why will they in their graves hear His voice?
16:07 Jesus explains this in more detail in verse 29
16:11 [Text on Screen]
16:22 Jesus clearly explains that there are two resurrections.
16:25 Jesus clearly explains that those who die
16:28 are resting in their graves, and at those two resurrections,
16:31 whether you've been righteous or whether you've been evil,
16:35 you will be raised up in that resurrection.
16:38 Not come down from heaven, but be raised up.
16:42 Jesus explains this truth about the resurrection
16:46 and the state of the dead probably best
16:47 in his experience with Lazarus.
16:51 Lazarus was one of his best t friends, but he got very sick,
16:54 and his sisters - Mary and Martha - sent word to Him:
16:57 "Lord, he whom Thou lovest is sick".
17:00 Jesus sent comforting words back, He said:
17:03 "This sickness is onto death. "
17:06 How much they were encouraged by those words.
17:08 They clung to those words, and still, Lazarus died.
17:13 Jesus wasn't there to bring health back to Lazarus.
17:16 Jesus wasn't even there for his funeral.
17:19 Jesus wasn't there to comfort the sisters as they were weeping
17:23 for the loss of their brother,
17:25 but Jesus was there in heart and in spirit.
17:29 Even though Lazarus was dead, Jesus, who is the life,
17:34 had a plan.
17:35 Jesus turned to his disciples and He said: [Text on screen]
17:44 Jesus had said that Lazarus was sleeping.
17:48 The disciples didn't understand what He really meant,
17:51 in fact, the disciples said: [Text on Screen]
18:13 Lazarus had died.
18:15 They'd had the service, wound his body all up,
18:18 mummified style, with tight windings.
18:22 They had taken him and placed him in a tomb.
18:25 This tomb was a unique tomb because it was down in a cave,
18:28 steps leading downward.
18:31 Then he was laid out on a cold stone,
18:35 but Jesus, who is the way, the truth and the life,
18:40 had another plan for Lazarus.
18:43 Jesus came to Lazarus' tomb, and He called in clear tones:
18:47 "Lazarus, come forth. "
18:51 And the miraculous power of God picked up Lazarus,
18:55 carried him up those stones,
18:57 and set him at the opening of that tomb.
19:02 And Jesus said: "Unwind his clothes, let him go free. "
19:06 Jesus used the term "rest", or "sleep", in talking about death,
19:11 and so did other Bible authors.
19:14 I did some research with my Franklin Electronic Bible.
19:17 Did you know that 66 times the term "sleep" is used for death,
19:22 in 17 different books of the Bible?
19:25 But we can't talk to our dead, departed loved ones.
19:29 They are asleep.
19:32 They're not thinking about us,
19:34 they're not worried about us.
19:36 Job 14:12 clearly tells us [Text on Screen].
19:50 Look what the text says carefully:
19:52 "till the heavens are no more".
19:55 That's when they'll wake up; at that resurrection morning.
19:59 Job goes on to tell us in verse 21 [Text on Screen].
20:12 After someone has passed on, they're not thinking
20:15 about their loved ones, they're asleep.
20:17 They're not worried, they're asleep.
20:20 They're not talking to Jesus about their loved ones,
20:23 they're asleep.
20:25 [Text on screen]
20:35 I can see how honest people can make an honest mistake
20:38 when it comes to the Bible.
20:40 For example, in 1 Samuel 28, there's a text
20:44 that talks about Samuel, who's long since dead,
20:47 talking to King Saul.
20:49 This is what it says: [Text on Screen]
20:57 Doesn't that prove that the dead people can talk to us?
21:01 That those who have crossed over still can think
21:03 and communicate with us, who are living?
21:06 Not necessarily.
21:08 Let's look at the story more critically,
21:10 and I'll let you decide for yourself.
21:13 King Saul was worried about the battle he was going
21:15 to have the next day with Philistines.
21:17 So he sought out a witch, a woman, who seemed to have
21:20 the ability to communicate with the dead.
21:23 He went to her cave secretly at Endor, and asked her to bring
21:27 there the prophet Samuel, so he could speak with him.
21:31 This is what the word of God says in verse 13
21:34 [Text on Screen].
21:42 If Samuel had gone to heaven when he died,
21:44 as you would expect a prophet of God to do,
21:47 why wouldn't he coming down from heaven instead of coming up
21:50 out of the earth?
21:51 Let's look at the next verse: [Text on screen]
22:04 The Bible doesn't clearly say that it was Samuel.
22:07 It says that he perceived that it was Samuel.
22:10 And under that assumption it keeps referring to him as Samuel
22:15 Saul is there in the cave in Endor, there with the witch,
22:19 but was it Samuel who appeared?
22:22 God refused to talk to King Saul through dreams,
22:25 He refused to talk to Saul through a priest,
22:28 He refused to talk to Saul through a prophet,
22:30 His appointed means through which He communicates.
22:35 Saul then took matters into his own hands,
22:37 and he went to the witch of Endor.
22:40 Satan always goes too far in trying to prove his point.
22:44 Just like he did with the woman who saw her step dad
22:47 there in the kitchen, smoking his favorite pipe.
22:50 Let's suppose that when the step dad died,
22:52 he went right to hell.
22:54 And then one day he said to God:
22:56 "God can I go visit my family for just a few minutes?"
22:59 Do you think God would let him out of hell? I don't think so.
23:03 But let's suppose that when the step dad died,
23:05 he went to be with Jesus in heaven.
23:07 And one day he went to the Father and said:
23:09 "Father, can I visit my wife and stepdaughter,"
23:11 "just this once, just for a few minutes? I miss them so much. "
23:15 Do you think a loving God would let him come back
23:18 just for a few minutes? Maybe.
23:21 The only problem is that he really doesn't want to
23:23 visit his wife, he doesn't say hello,
23:25 he doesn't give his stepdaughter a hug, what he does is runs
23:28 to the kitchen and gets out his favorite pipe and some tobacco.
23:31 Why? Because God doesn't allow smoking in heaven.
23:35 Smoking causes death, and there's no more death in heaven.
23:39 And so he really wanted to come back
23:41 just to have another smoke.
23:43 Friend, there is life after death,
23:46 but not because we have some immortal soul
23:48 that lives on and on after we die.
23:50 Not because we have some cosmic spirit consciousness
23:53 that goes up into the cosmos somewhere.
23:56 We can live forever because we've invited Jesus
23:59 to come into our heart, and He has promised that
24:01 on the resurrection morning He will raise those to life,
24:05 those who have given their lives to him.
24:08 On the resurrection of the righteous, we can be with Him
24:11 and our loved ones once again in heaven
24:14 and the New Earth, forever and ever.
24:17 So next time you're tempted to believe some apparition
24:20 that might appear in your home, next time your tempted
24:23 to go to some séance, where they're going to communicate
24:25 with our departed loved ones who have crossed over,
24:28 think twice.
24:30 Think about what the word of God has to say,
24:33 think about the truths that you've heard here today,
24:35 think about what God's truth is, and then let His word guide you.
24:42 Someday, I long to be at a Gettysburg Cemetery
24:46 where my brother is lying in a box, just like this.
24:49 I long to be there when the skies part, and Jesus
24:52 comes back, and He calls my brother to eternal life.
24:56 That day is coming very soon,
24:58 invite Jesus into your heart,
25:01 chose Him, and believe His word.
25:05 Today's topic may have been unsettling for some of you,
25:08 but I have found that those who fully study it from God's word,
25:12 have found great peace and security in His truth.
25:16 Now get your pen and paper ready because today
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25:23 This study guide will cover a lot of ground and will even
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25:29 "Didn't the thief on the cross go to Paradise with Christ"
25:31 "the day he died?" and "Doesn't Matthew 10:28,"
25:35 "or Revelation 6, 9 and 10, prove that the soul is undying?"
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26:24 In our next program, we'll be going with Charles
26:26 to Mount Sinai.
26:28 Perhaps the most costly tent that was ever made,
26:31 was erected on this valley floor.
26:34 Here, within its walls and contained in its ceremonies,
26:38 God illustrated many truths that have been forgotten today.
26:42 Here in symbolic form, God predicted the future
26:47 and had intimate fellowship with His people.
26:50 Can you imagine the God of creation going camping
26:53 with human beings?
26:55 Does that same God still want to go camping with us?
26:59 Join us next time as we go in search of the truth.
27:04 [Music for Credits Begins]


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