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>>Eric Flickinger:
Welcome to "Sabbath School,"
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brought to you by It Is Written.
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We're glad you're joining us
today for a brand new quarter,
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looking at 13 studies, 13
opportunities to delve into
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a very interesting subject.
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This quarter, it is
"Illusions, Images, Symbols:
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How to Study Bible Prophecy."
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We are going to take
an incredible journey
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into the
prophecies of the Bible,
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understanding and learning
how we can delve more deeply
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into them, make sense of them,
and what a difference they make
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in our lives today.
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We're going to
begin with prayer.
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Father, we thank You
for drawing us together
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and giving us an opportunity
to begin this journey
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through the study of prophecy.
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We ask that You will
bless us as we do so,
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and we thank You,
in Jesus' name, amen.
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Well, this week
we have the author
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of this quarter's
"Sabbath School" lesson.
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He is author,
speaker, evangelist, pastor,
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former speaker/director of
this ministry, It Is Written,
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and the current speaker/director
of the Voice of Prophecy,
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Pastor Shawn Boonstra.
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Shawn, welcome,
we're glad you're here.
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>>Shawn Boonstra: Hey,
thanks for having me in.
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Obviously, they
ran out of good authors
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at the Sabbath
school department,
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and so they called on me.
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>>Eric: They made
their way down to you.
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Well, we're glad that they did.
This quarter is fascinating.
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And it's something that we
truly do need to understand.
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>>Shawn: Yeah, we really do.
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>>Eric: Because
there are so many different
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and varied interpretations
of prophecy out there,
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and some of it's almost
like you lick your finger
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and stick it up in the wind
and see which way it's blowing.
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It could be troubling--in fact,
maybe it should be troubling.
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But there are some
guidelines, some principles
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that we can
follow that will head us
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in the right
direction, and that's what
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we're going to be
looking at this quarter.
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Give me an idea of
where this came from.
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They got down to the bottom
of the barrel, they found you--
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>>Shawn: We've run out of
good authors, and so, Shawn,
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like we got nobody else.
>>Eric: And they got you.
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How long ago did this
kind of begin to percolate?
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>>Shawn: I don't know.
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Well, this has been
percolating for 32 years.
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The stuff that I put in
there, for better or for worse,
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comes out of the
brain of Boonstra, right?
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But I'm a believer
today because of prophecy.
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And I know some people
are shy, like, "We shouldn't
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study prophecy. It's
so dark; it's so scary."
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And it's like, well, it
was the opposite for me.
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Once somebody
cracked a Bible with me
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and showed me,
like, the book of Daniel,
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I suddenly ran out of excuses.
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It's like, oh, there
is something out there--
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there is a God.
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It was the first time
I'd seen tangible evidence.
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Proof, there's no
actual hardcore proof
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of God's existence, but
there's a ton of evidence,
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and there's no way for
me to get through Daniel 2
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and Daniel 7 and
Daniel 8 and 9 and 11
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and not say, "Okay, there's
no human way to explain this.
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The God I was taught about
as a child is clearly real."
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And so it started
there, and I grew up in a home
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that read the Bible
every night after dinner.
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I went to a Christian school;
they were Bible believers.
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I'm not sure it
really took with me.
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You know, as a
teenager I ran a little wild.
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But it was actually
an Adventist evangelist
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sat down and showed
me some of this stuff,
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and I realized--
I got cold chills.
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And I've had those cold
chills now for 32, 33 years.
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It's like I can't get
to the bottom of this,
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if it's consistent, it holds
up, and it's been holding up
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for 32 years.
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>>Eric: So this is not
just interesting information
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that we're going to be covering;
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this is
life-changing information.
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>>Shawn: Oh yeah,
I'm a recovering heathen,
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is the way I describe myself,
because of this information.
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And it's still to this day--
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I mean, I don't love
getting up front and preaching.
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I don't love
making TV and radio shows
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because I'm basically a really
shy, introverted kind of guy.
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But I'm watching people go
through what I went through,
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and that's satisfying.
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This light goes on--this
can't be explained any other way
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than there is a God.
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>>Eric: So you and
I are both introverts,
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we prefer to be more closed in
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rather than wide open,
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but this that
we're looking at here,
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the fact that we
can believe the Bible,
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that there is truth that exists
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and that it really
impacts eternity for people,
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we can't very well effectively
keep that to ourselves.
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And so I think God
has a sense of humor,
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and He says, "I'm
going to take some introverts
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"and extrovert them
in such a way that they
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"just can't hold back and share
this hope and this good news
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with many other people."
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And so for 13
episodes here, 13 weeks,
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we're going to be doing
exactly that, exactly that.
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>>Shawn: I will be
sitting in this chair
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for an entire 13 weeks.
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>>Eric: It's
gonna be a long time
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with Shawn Boonstra
here. [Shawn laughing]
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No, we are really glad
that you're here Shawn.
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Week number one is
"Some Principles of Prophecy,"
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"Some Principles of Prophecy."
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As we're delving into
this, as we're getting into it,
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we wanna make
sure that we understand
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some of these principles
that undergird everything
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that we are
going to be looking at.
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In Sunday's lesson, you
talk about Jeremiah, chapter 9.
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This is clearly a passage
that is important to you,
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is meaningful to you,
unpack this a little bit for us.
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>>Shawn: Yes, let me read it.
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I just so happen to have my
Bible open to that very text,
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as if I knew this
was coming. [laughs]
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>>Eric: This is
about prophecy, right?
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>>Shawn: Yeah,
it's about prophecy.
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Listen to this.
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This one thrills me to
no end. This is verse 23:
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"Thus says the Lord:
'Let not the wise man boast
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in his wisdom.'"
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That always took
me back a little bit,
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because I was one of
those political science,
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political
philosophy, philosophy majors--
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you know, "would you
like fries with that degree?"
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is what that is.
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It's like you're qualified
for nothing but to read books.
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But, "Let not the wise
man boast in his wisdom."
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There's the entire
Greek system of thought.
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"Let not the mighty
man boast in his might,
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let not the rich man
boast in his riches."
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Verse 24: "But let him
who boasts boast in this,
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that he
understands and knows me."
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That's mind-blowing to me.
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Here's an infinite God,
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the mind behind
the entire universe,
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inviting me to
know and understand--
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not just know
Him-- understand Him?
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"That I am the Lord who
practices steadfast love,
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"justice, and
righteousness in the earth.
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For in these things I
delight, declares the Lord."
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What are we
invited to understand?
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Who He is, His
personality, His character.
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That doesn't mean
that I'm going to unlock
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all the secrets of the universe.
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I think there are some lines
in this world where God says,
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"That's not for you."
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And we struggle with
that as human beings.
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If we're the wise man
boasting in his wisdom,
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that's not good enough. No, no.
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"I've got to explain, God says,
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"no, but you are
invited to know me."
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There's a level
of intimacy there:
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:Know me as a
friend and understand me.:
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Me? Me understand God?
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And there's only
one way to do that.
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You can't reason your
way into a knowledge of God.
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We've tried that for
centuries in Western philosophy.
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Only if God reveals Himself.
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And so it's a
revealed knowledge,
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and that has been keeping me fed
and sustained for 32, 33 years.
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It's like there's no
end to understanding God.
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>>Eric: No, and
it's going to continue,
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and the more that
you do get to know Him
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within a certain
context, you know.
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The more we want
to get to know Him
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and the more that we're
going to learn about Him.
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But, you know, you try to
understand God in His entirety,
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and it'll turn
your brain to jello.
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He is so much
higher than we are,
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but we can understand
some aspects of who He is,
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some of His characteristics
that make Him Him.
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You talk a little bit about
how much higher God's sphere is
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than our own.
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Walk us through
some of this perspective.
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>>Shawn: Yeah, and, you know,
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it's hard for us in
the West to come to grips
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with the fact that there
are things we will never know,
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and that there's
Somebody who's so far beyond us
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we can't attain to it.
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That violates almost everything
that we taught ourselves
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in the Western hemisphere
for the last thousand years.
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It's like, "No, you can
reason your way into anything."
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No, you really can't.
One of the reasons that
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the 19th and 20th
centuries fell apart
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in the world of philosophy
is we hit the end of our reason,
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and it wasn't good
enough. We got despondent.
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God is beyond that.
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For us to really
understand who God is,
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we've got to understand
that we're well beneath Him.
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So, Psalm 139 I
put in the quarterly,
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"O Lord, You have
searched and known me!"
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So it's not just us
knowing God, He knows us,
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but it's unbalanced.
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God actually knows
every fiber of my being.
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And all the stuff I
think nobody knows, God knows.
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"You know when I sit
down and when I rise up."
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And for me that's
many times a night, Lord.
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When I get to the
kingdom, it's like,
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"Why can't I sleep, Lord?"
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"You know me when I sit
down and when I rise up;
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"You discern my
thoughts from afar.
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"You search out my
path and my lying down
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"and are
acquainted with all my ways.
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"Even before a word is on
my tongue, behold, O Lord,
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You know it all together."
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So as the thought is
forming, He already knows
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what I'm going to say,
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which I don't always
know what I'm going to say.
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"You hem me in,
behind and before,...
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"lay Your hand upon me.
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"Such knowledge is
too wonderful for me;
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it is high; I cannot attain it."
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I can't get to where God is.
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He knows me. I
compare it to this.
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I'm invited to
know and understand God,
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God knows me, and
it's completely unbalanced
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because He knows
absolutely everything.
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That is not dissimilar to
my 30-some years of marriage,
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where Jean figured me out
in about three minutes flat.
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She knows
everything, she can predict
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what I'm going to do all
day, and I'm still working
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on figuring her out.
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But there it is. God's too high.
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Psalm 147, "Great is our
Lord,...abundant in power;
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His understanding
is beyond measure."
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Romans 11:33, "How unsearchable
are His judgments...
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how inscrutable His ways!"
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That bugs me,
and it reassures me.
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I'm invited to know
God, but there's a limit
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on what I'm gonna figure out,
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and I need to learn to
be happy with what is beyond
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my capacity to understand.
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Now, there's more
available than we would hope,
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but there's a limit.
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There are things we are
not invited to understand.
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>>Eric: There is, and
sometimes you'll run across
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people who delve perhaps a
little bit too deeply into this,
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and they become very unbalanced
in a lot of different things,
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a lot of different ways.
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And I think what we're looking
at, going through this quarter
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and especially this first week,
laying down some principles
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of good sound Bible study,
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there are some
things, like you said,
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we're just not going to know,
we're not going to understand,
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and we have to be willing to
accept that with some humility.
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>>Shawn: Right,
there's a number of those.
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When people, you
know, people are trying
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to wrap their mind around the
idea that God is triune, right,
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one God, three persons,
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and they say, "Preacher,
tell me how that works."
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I don't know. All I know
is that it's clearly revealed.
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There's no getting around it.
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As you go through
Scripture, it's there so often
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that you can't avoid it.
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Does that mean I can explain it?
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No, I'd have to be
God to explain that.
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The Incarnation--how does Jesus
remain fully God and become
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fully human at the same time?
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And this is one of those
areas-- I see a lot of people,
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they're pretty
sure they've nailed it;
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they've figured it out.
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There's a letter
that a wise woman
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by the name of Ellen
White wrote years ago.
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I'd say there's
volumes of her letter,
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she was so smart that
people collected these,
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and I think it's in volume ten.
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She says, be really careful
how you dwell on how Jesus
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was composed; you're not
smart enough to figure this out,
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whether he's entirely
human or what parts are human,
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what part--he's not
part human, part God.
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He's fully both at the same--
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you'll never get
your brain around that;
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you'll never get
your brain around it.
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How does God speak the
universe into existence?
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I don't know. If I
knew that, I'd be God.
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So there's a limit to
what we're allowed to--
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but what we can understand,
Eric, thrills me to no end.
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It's like it's
mind-blowing what is available.
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>>Eric: It really is,
and to get to a healthy area
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in this, it takes some humility.
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And I don't think
that we as human beings
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are always
really good at humility;
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at least,
historically we haven't been.
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And so we stretch ourselves
a little bit to just say,
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you know what,
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maybe I can't fully get this,
but I'm going to be satisfied
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with what I can get, and
the things that we can get
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are sufficient to strengthen
our faith and to buoy us up
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through difficult
times and to prepare us
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for the times that are to come.
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You talk about "rightly dividing
the word of truth" here.
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I want to dig into that
in just a moment. How do we--
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what would be some examples
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of wrongly
dividing the word of truth?
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So this is about to get
really interesting really quick.
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But before we do that,
this quarter's lesson is good,
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it's excellent,
but it's this thick.
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And we're taking, you
know, 30-some years of knowledge
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and experience and
research and trying to cram it
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into a book that big.
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There is a companion
book to this quarter's
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"Sabbath School" lesson.
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Why might someone want to
pick up that companion book?
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What is in there that's
not in the lesson itself?
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>>Shawn: In the companion
book, the stuff that ended up
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on the cutting room
floor, some of that made it in,
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not all of it. But
I tend to overwrite.
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So they asked for 13
weeks, seven a week, you know,
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it's a lot of material,
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but it's maybe
10% of the material
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I wished I could have put in.
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In the companion book there are
some more personal experiences,
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some anecdotes that show
you why I think the way I do,
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as twisted as it is.
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The material that didn't
make it into the quarterly,
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some of it is there, and some
of it might just show up today.
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So, you know, between all three,
this show, the companion book,
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and the quarterly, I'd
hope that you'd find enough
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to keep you
studying for years to come.
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>>Eric: So it's
worth picking up.
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If you would like to understand
the mind of Shawn Boonstra,
00:14:24.19\00:14:26.56
or at least get a
little glimpse into it,
00:14:26.59\00:14:29.80
pick up that companion
book; it is an excellent read.
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You'll be glad that you
did. Where can you find it?
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Just go to itiswritten.shop,
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itiswritten.shop,
00:14:37.44\00:14:39.07
and you will find the
companion book to this quarter's
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"Sabbath School" lesson.
00:14:41.78\00:14:42.94
We're going to come back
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in just a moment
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as we look into rightly
dividing and wrongly dividing
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the Scriptures here
on "Sabbath School,"
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brought to you by It Is Written.
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>>Eric: Welcome
back to "Sabbath School,"
00:16:01.49\00:16:02.99
brought to you by It Is Written.
00:16:03.02\00:16:05.49
We are taking a look at how
to study prophecy, and, Shawn,
00:16:05.53\00:16:08.13
you mentioned in the
study about the importance
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of "rightly
dividing the word of truth"
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and also the importance
of not wrongly dividing it.
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What would be some
examples of wrongly dividing
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the word of truth?
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>>Shawn: I wish that I
had been witness to the story
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I'm about to tell you firsthand.
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I heard about it;
I found the footage;
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I know that what I'm
about to describe is true.
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It was a really, really, really
popular Christian TV show.
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It doesn't matter who,
it just doesn't matter who,
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but really popular,
tens of millions watching.
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And they decided that,
look, we're gonna figure out
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what God's counsel is for
us today this way, you know.
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And some of you have done
this, you're guilty of this.
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What does the Lord
want to say to me today?
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And he got into
Luke 19, verse 31.
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and that says,
He has need of him,
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"The Lord hath need of
him," in the old King James.
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And the guy was so
excited: "Oh, praise the Lord,
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the Lord hath need of me,
the Lord hath need of me."
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The problem was that
that's the text where they go
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and get the donkey for Jesus;
00:17:09.79\00:17:11.33
it's the donkey that
the Lord hath need of.
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And the guy, "Oh, the
Lord hath need of me."
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So you're the donkey?
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I mean, it's like, that
is a foolish--I still laugh--
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like, that is a foolish
way to study the Scriptures.
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That's not the
way-- if you're using this
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like a good luck charm,
you're reading it wrong.
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If you're using it
like a magic 8 ball,
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you're reading it wrong.
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And one of the
number one reasons I think
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there's so much
general confusion in the world
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of Western Christianity
today is exactly that.
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We read nothing in context.
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And the rule basically
is-- and people get frustrated
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with me when I'm teaching a
class on how to study prophecy--
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the rule is you've got
to read the whole Bible.
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"What do you mean, 'the whole
Bible'? What's the shortcut?"
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There is no shortcut; you've
got to read the whole thing;
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context matters--not
just the context of what comes
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before and after the
verse you're reading,
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but the context of
the rest of Scripture.
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If you knew the--
you wouldn't land on
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"the Lord hath
need of me." [laughs]
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I know it's so silly, and
I just watch so many people:
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"My verse for today is"--no,
it doesn't quite work that way.
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Wrongly dividing it is
using it like a magic 8 ball.
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Wrongly dividing it is not
reading it in an attentive way,
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but using it
like a fortune cookie.
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It's not a fortune
cookie, it's the Word of God,
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and the whole thing matters.
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It's got to be a
systematic study.
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The Lord does speak to
individuals through this.
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The other one that's
wrongly dividing is so often
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we hear now in
Bible study groups,
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what does this
verse mean to you?
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Okay, is that important?
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Yes, that's important because
this book does speak to me.
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It addresses my
issues, it addresses the things
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that I face in life,
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but what does the Bible
mean to me is a little off base,
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because there is a
meaning to the Bible,
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and the question
should be, what does God mean?
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What does God mean?
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And there is a
right and a wrong answer
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to that question.
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Then you can take it one
step further and say, well,
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now that I know what God means,
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how would I
apply that in my life?
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But what does
this verse mean to me?
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I've heard some pretty
wild misinterpretations
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because they
start parsing words--
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"I love this word!
It's big in my life."
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That's not what the verse
means. Read the whole thing.
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>>Eric: And if it's all about
"what does it mean to me?"--
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if you've got 15
people in a group,
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the Bible verse could
mean 15 different things.
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>>Shawn: And it
will in that case.
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>>Eric: And it will, if that's
the way you're going at it.
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But what did God
intend for it to mean?
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And then how does
that apply to my life?
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That's two very different things
and important that we get that.
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You talk about
rightly and wrongly dividing.
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Let's touch just
briefly on Daniel 12, verse 4.
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>>Shawn: Oh yeah, this is a--
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>>Eric: Daniel 12, verse 4
is one that is frequently--
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>>Shawn: Abused.
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>>Eric: Okay, that's a
good word; we'll use "abused."
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I like that version.
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>>Shawn: Yeah, let
me look it up here.
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On TV I get nervous. I
go, "Will I find this?"
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There it is. And never
bring a new Bible to a TV show
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because the pages don't--
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and everything's in
the wrong spot on the page,
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but here it is.
00:20:01.53\00:20:02.86
Daniel 12, verse
4, "But you, Daniel,
00:20:02.90\00:20:05.30
"shut up the
words and seal the book,
00:20:05.33\00:20:06.63
"until the time of the end.
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Many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall increase."
00:20:08.30\00:20:12.07
I can't tell you how
many Christian preachers,
00:20:12.11\00:20:15.01
our own tribe
included, have said,
00:20:15.04\00:20:17.28
"See? Knowledge will increase;
00:20:17.31\00:20:18.91
knowledge is
growing exponentially."
00:20:18.95\00:20:20.38
The internet
expands by, you know,
00:20:20.42\00:20:22.95
it's just trillions of
bytes every single day,
00:20:22.98\00:20:26.35
and "many will run to and
fro"-- look at the traffic
00:20:26.39\00:20:30.56
and the way that
we're now, you know--
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the Concorde's dead; I
never even got to try it.
00:20:32.26\00:20:34.20
But we can cross over to
London in two and a half hours.
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That's not in this verse.
They're trying to say, "Look,
00:20:37.97\00:20:40.64
"the advance of
technology is a sign that Jesus
00:20:40.67\00:20:43.30
is about to come."
00:20:43.34\00:20:44.64
That's not even close to
true, and it's ripping it
00:20:44.67\00:20:46.81
out of its context.
00:20:46.84\00:20:48.51
"You O Daniel, shut up
the words and seal the book"--
00:20:48.54\00:20:50.95
what book? The book of Daniel--
"until the time of the end."
00:20:50.98\00:20:55.95
So there would be confusion
about what Daniel is getting at,
00:20:55.98\00:20:59.25
what he means, until we get to
the last phase of human history,
00:20:59.29\00:21:02.52
at which point
knowledge will increase.
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Knowledge of what?
Space shuttles? Computers?
00:21:05.06\00:21:08.00
No, knowledge of
the book of Daniel.
00:21:08.03\00:21:10.07
"Many will run to
and fro is interesting."
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In the Hebrew,
it's the word "shuwt."
00:21:12.37\00:21:14.47
It's kind of like if you
were to take the word "shut"--
00:21:14.50\00:21:17.27
"shut the door"--and put an
umlaut over the "u"--"shuwt."
00:21:17.31\00:21:21.34
It's an
analogy; it's a metaphor.
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"Shuwt" is to row a boat
back and forth across a stream,
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like you're running a little
ferry service on a stream,
00:21:28.38\00:21:30.69
back and forth, back
and forth, back and forth.
00:21:30.72\00:21:33.62
What they're
describing are a scribe's eyes
00:21:33.66\00:21:36.62
or a reader's eyes
going back and forth,
00:21:36.66\00:21:38.69
back and forth, back
and forth across a page.
00:21:38.73\00:21:41.40
That's what it's
literally saying.
00:21:41.43\00:21:43.53
Except, you know, you
and I would go left to right,
00:21:43.57\00:21:45.83
the Hebrews would be,
00:21:45.87\00:21:47.24
their eyes go the
other way, right to left.
00:21:47.27\00:21:49.87
This is telling us that
in the last gasp of history,
00:21:49.90\00:21:52.47
many people are going
to read the book of Daniel,
00:21:52.51\00:21:55.14
and knowledge of it
is going to increase,
00:21:55.18\00:21:57.05
which is precisely
what happened when we got
00:21:57.08\00:21:59.21
into the 19th century.
00:21:59.25\00:22:01.12
The 1,260 days of
prophecy came to an end,
00:22:01.15\00:22:04.45
and suddenly understanding
of Daniel exploded.
00:22:04.49\00:22:09.06
And I take this to the
bank as a promise, Eric.
00:22:09.09\00:22:11.59
Many will run to and fro,
many will be reading Daniel,
00:22:11.63\00:22:14.73
and I've often said to
people who criticize--they say,
00:22:14.73\00:22:18.67
"You still teach Bible
prophecy as a way of outreach?"
00:22:18.70\00:22:21.00
Yeah, because I'm a
believer because of it,
00:22:21.04\00:22:23.20
and I'm not gonna be alone,
00:22:23.24\00:22:24.54
God didn't get
this message wrong,
00:22:24.57\00:22:26.34
and He says, in the last
days, "Many will run to and fro,
00:22:26.37\00:22:29.01
and knowledge will increase."
00:22:29.04\00:22:30.28
The level of interest
is only going to rise.
00:22:30.31\00:22:33.28
And lately I've seen
not only bigger audiences
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than I've ever seen in
my life, but better ones.
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The interest level is
so high that sometimes
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when I'm halfway
done with a presentation,
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someone in the audience
will start an altar call.
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I didn't even plan
one-- "We've heard enough.
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We're coming to
Jesus, that's it."
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That's what this is getting at.
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To say otherwise is
to embarrass ourselves.
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Because I can pull out books
from the 1930s where people
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are saying, "Look at the
way technology has gone."
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You know, "We've
got typewriters."
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it's laughable to us now, right?
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"We've got steam locomotives.
We can go very, very fast."
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We're going to
embarrass ourselves.
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I don't care how
great your computer is.
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You want to think
that's a sign of the times?
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>>Eric: Just wait a month.
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>>Shawn: Wait a
month, wait ten years,
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wait till AI processing,
quantum processing takes place.
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You're dead in the water.
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The context makes it
clear it's talking about
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the knowledge of
God through prophecy,
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and if you read it
the way it was intended,
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it makes perfect sense. You
never have to apologize for it.
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>>Eric: So the knowledge
of God through prophecy,
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it is expanding; you're right,
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there is a great
deal more interest today
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than we've seen
in many, many years--
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one could say,
because of the events going on
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in the world, people
are beginning to wonder
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why these things are happening,
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what does it mean, and so forth.
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Speaking of an understanding
of prophecy, William Miller.
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>>Shawn: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>>Eric: You talk
about William Miller
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here in the lesson.
Delve into him a little bit
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and why it's
important that we understand
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that period of earth's history
and the significance of it.
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>>Shawn: Yeah, oh my goodness,
how much time do we have?
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But William Miller was
a man who held a position
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that was pretty common
in his day. He was a deist.
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A deist says, look, God
started the universe in motion,
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and then he ran away
and let it run on itself
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like a wound-up watch.
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Many of the founding fathers
of America were also deists,
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they believed this way,
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and the reason they
believed that way is, well,
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the philosophy of
the last 300 years.
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Immanuel Kant in
particular said, look,
00:24:25.69\00:24:27.60
there's the world the way it is,
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and there's your senses,
and you will never understand
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the world the way it is.
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They were just saying
reason has its limits;
00:24:32.97\00:24:35.00
that led to
postmodernism and so on.
00:24:35.04\00:24:36.81
So philosophy
took us to the point
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where God can't be personal--
00:24:38.71\00:24:40.41
okay, maybe
there's a design out there.
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And then he saw
some horrible things
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he couldn't explain.
He was a soldier, right?
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Saw things on the battlefield,
00:24:46.65\00:24:47.95
he had what we would call PTSD.
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He's struggling with what he saw
and the wickedness of humanity.
00:24:50.09\00:24:54.16
And he decides,
00:24:54.19\00:24:55.49
"I want to understand
the Bible for myself."
00:24:55.52\00:24:58.06
The same
thing's happening today.
00:24:58.09\00:24:59.29
People are being shaken.
00:24:59.33\00:25:00.63
They're getting to the end of
their philosophical reasoning.
00:25:00.66\00:25:03.93
It can't answer their
biggest concerns in this life.
00:25:03.97\00:25:06.63
We're watching horrible things
take place on a daily basis.
00:25:06.67\00:25:10.31
I mean, as you and I
are sitting in studio,
00:25:10.34\00:25:12.01
it wasn't that long ago
there was a plane accident
00:25:12.04\00:25:13.64
every day for how
many days in a row.
00:25:13.68\00:25:16.78
We're hitting the end
of what human beings can do
00:25:16.81\00:25:18.78
on their own, and
people are worried.
00:25:18.81\00:25:20.48
He goes to the
Scriptures, he said,
00:25:20.52\00:25:21.82
"I'm only going to read as far
00:25:21.85\00:25:23.65
as I can possibly
understand it completely."
00:25:23.69\00:25:26.86
That process took quite a
while, read the entire Bible,
00:25:26.89\00:25:31.33
but what he came
to realize is that
00:25:31.36\00:25:33.29
the Bible needs
to interpret itself.
00:25:33.33\00:25:35.23
You can't bring
outside philosophy into it.
00:25:35.26\00:25:38.27
If we go with
rationalism or empiricism--
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empiricism, whatever you
can gather with your senses;
00:25:41.67\00:25:43.87
rationalism, whatever I
can think through in my brain--
00:25:43.91\00:25:46.21
you hit a dead end.
00:25:46.24\00:25:48.14
What William Miller
did was bring us back
00:25:48.18\00:25:50.15
to a Reformation position,
which was scripturalism.
00:25:50.18\00:25:53.85
You can't really use
your reason unless you have
00:25:53.88\00:25:56.18
the foundation that God gives.
00:25:56.22\00:25:57.95
If He made you
and made your mind,
00:25:57.99\00:26:00.32
then maybe you
listen to Him first
00:26:00.36\00:26:01.92
so that you know
your reason is on target,
00:26:01.96\00:26:04.89
that you're
actually reasoning correctly.
00:26:04.93\00:26:07.73
So we allow the
Bible to interpret itself,
00:26:07.76\00:26:11.27
and that is an eye-opener.
00:26:11.30\00:26:14.40
The best way to study
the Bible is to ask yourself,
00:26:14.44\00:26:16.84
"Where have I
heard this before?"
00:26:16.87\00:26:18.17
And then go find it.
00:26:18.21\00:26:19.61
And it's amazing how
God explains Himself.
00:26:19.64\00:26:21.58
He doesn't need your help to
define His terms. He does it.
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>>Eric: So we've got very
little time left this week.
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>>Shawn: I'm very
wordy. I'm very wordy.
00:26:27.58\00:26:29.95
>>Eric: Give us a practical--
00:26:29.98\00:26:31.29
you said, go find
it somewhere else.
00:26:31.32\00:26:33.66
In a nutshell, what
does that look like?
00:26:33.69\00:26:35.66
>>Shawn: Okay,
now, this is, you know--
00:26:35.69\00:26:37.96
you're asking, how
does Shawn study the Bible?
00:26:37.99\00:26:39.49
I do it from about 11:00
till 2:00 in the morning,
00:26:39.53\00:26:41.83
and it's messed up.
Don't do it like me.
00:26:41.86\00:26:44.37
In the old days I'd tell people,
go get yourself a concordance.
00:26:44.40\00:26:47.10
I mean, there's no excuse
not to read the whole Bible.
00:26:47.14\00:26:49.50
Today, there are so
many apps, so many, so take
00:26:49.54\00:26:53.68
what you're reading and
then look for that concept
00:26:53.71\00:26:55.91
throughout the
rest of Scripture;
00:26:55.94\00:26:57.28
start making a list.
00:26:57.31\00:26:58.71
It'll blow your
mind how many times
00:26:58.75\00:27:00.78
something you think is unique,
00:27:00.82\00:27:02.12
say to the book of
Daniel, shows up elsewhere--
00:27:02.15\00:27:05.05
particularly true for the
book of Revelation and prophecy.
00:27:05.09\00:27:07.56
Two-thirds of that
language and imagery
00:27:07.59\00:27:09.42
comes from elsewhere,
mostly the Old Testament.
00:27:09.46\00:27:12.26
You can assign it
meanings, if you like,
00:27:12.29\00:27:14.23
but you'll be
wrong. Let God define it.
00:27:14.30\00:27:16.67
So get that concordance;
get that Bible software.
00:27:16.70\00:27:19.47
Look for it elsewhere.
00:27:19.50\00:27:20.80
Pay attention; the translators
put useful little notes
00:27:20.84\00:27:22.80
in there. It's like,
see what other verses
00:27:22.84\00:27:25.37
they brought up
back in the 1600s--
00:27:25.41\00:27:27.34
blow your mind how educated
these people were on Scripture.
00:27:27.38\00:27:30.21
>>Eric: And we're going to be
looking at very practical ways
00:27:30.25\00:27:32.28
that we can implement this
as we continue going through
00:27:32.31\00:27:34.92
in the next 12 weeks.
00:27:34.95\00:27:36.35
Shawn, thank you for
joining us this week,
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and we're looking
forward to what is to come.
00:27:38.09\00:27:40.02
And we wanna thank you
for joining us as well.
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This is just the very
beginning of a journey
00:27:42.39\00:27:45.36
on how to understand and study
the prophecies of the Bible.
00:27:45.39\00:27:49.23
We're glad that you are with us.
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We look forward to
seeing you again next week
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here on "Sabbath School,"
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