[uplifting music] 00:00:00.46\00:00:04.30 [uplifting music] 00:00:12.21\00:00:14.18 >>Eric Flickinger: Welcome to "Sabbath School," 00:00:14.21\00:00:15.51 brought to you by It Is Written. 00:00:15.54\00:00:17.35 We're glad you're with us today. 00:00:17.38\00:00:19.05 We are taking a journey through a fascinating subject. 00:00:19.08\00:00:22.15 We are looking at "God's Love and Justice." 00:00:22.18\00:00:25.69 What does God's love really look like, 00:00:25.72\00:00:27.79 and how does that interact with His justice? 00:00:27.82\00:00:30.89 That's the journey that we are on. 00:00:30.93\00:00:32.76 This is lesson number 2 out of 13, 00:00:32.79\00:00:35.73 and today we are looking at "Covenantal Love." 00:00:35.76\00:00:38.27 What does that look like? 00:00:38.30\00:00:39.83 We're going to find out in just a moment. 00:00:39.87\00:00:41.17 Let's pray. 00:00:41.20\00:00:42.44 Father, we want to thank You for bringing us together again, and 00:00:42.47\00:00:45.51 as we study this week's lesson, we ask that You will bless us 00:00:45.54\00:00:49.34 with a deeper understanding of not just the subject but of You. 00:00:49.38\00:00:53.65 And we thank You in Jesus' name. 00:00:53.68\00:00:55.62 Amen. 00:00:55.65\00:00:57.15 Well, we're grateful to have with us again this week 00:00:57.19\00:00:59.29 the author of this quarter's "Sabbath School" lesson, 00:00:59.32\00:01:01.66 John Peckham. 00:01:01.69\00:01:03.02 He is an associate editor of the "Adventist Review" 00:01:03.06\00:01:06.49 and also a research professor 00:01:06.53\00:01:08.13 at the Adventist Theological Seminary at Andrews University. 00:01:08.16\00:01:11.63 John, welcome back. 00:01:11.67\00:01:12.93 >>John Peckham: Thank you, thanks for having me. 00:01:12.97\00:01:14.27 >>Eric: So we're looking at "Covenantal Love," 00:01:14.30\00:01:16.54 and I want to kind of begin our dive into this 00:01:16.57\00:01:19.91 with two words, words that I think 00:01:19.94\00:01:22.54 many Christians are at least somewhat familiar with. 00:01:22.58\00:01:25.05 They've at least heard before. 00:01:25.08\00:01:27.05 They may or may not have a correct understanding 00:01:27.08\00:01:29.28 of these words for love. 00:01:29.32\00:01:31.12 One of them is "agape," and the other one is "phileo." 00:01:31.15\00:01:34.52 Help us to understand what these two words mean and maybe 00:01:34.56\00:01:38.43 some common misconceptions surrounding these words. 00:01:38.46\00:01:40.96 >>John: Yeah, yeah, most people 00:01:40.96\00:01:42.76 have probably been taught something like this. 00:01:42.80\00:01:44.77 You've probably been taught that 00:01:44.80\00:01:46.27 "agape" is a special kind of love 00:01:46.30\00:01:48.24 that only God has and all other kinds of love are deficient 00:01:48.27\00:01:52.51 in some way or merely human loves. 00:01:52.54\00:01:54.64 So often there's a dichotomy put forth between "agape," 00:01:54.68\00:01:58.05 that's God's love for us, which only gives and never receives, 00:01:58.08\00:02:01.55 according to some conceptions, 00:02:01.58\00:02:03.79 and "phileo" is like a friendship love. 00:02:03.82\00:02:05.89 It's a back-and-forth love, 00:02:05.92\00:02:07.56 relational love that humans can engage in. 00:02:07.59\00:02:11.39 But actually the Bible tells a somewhat different story, 00:02:11.43\00:02:14.93 and I want us to look at the Bible itself 00:02:14.93\00:02:17.03 so we can see this for ourselves. 00:02:17.07\00:02:18.77 So I want to invite you to read from John 14, and 00:02:18.80\00:02:21.47 in that verse you'll see God's love mentioned in that verse, 00:02:21.50\00:02:24.51 and the verb that's used throughout there 00:02:24.54\00:02:26.17 is the verb form of "agape" in John 14. 00:02:26.21\00:02:28.78 >>Eric: Right, so we're going to look at John 14, 00:02:28.81\00:02:30.45 verses 21 and 23. 00:02:30.48\00:02:32.58 Verse 21 says, "'He who has my commandments and keeps them, 00:02:32.61\00:02:36.65 "'it is he who loves me. 00:02:36.69\00:02:38.99 "'And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, 00:02:39.02\00:02:42.12 "and I will love him and manifest myself to him.' 00:02:42.16\00:02:45.86 "Jesus answered and said to him, 00:02:45.89\00:02:47.86 "'If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; 00:02:47.93\00:02:50.40 "'and my Father will love him, 00:02:50.43\00:02:52.57 and we will come to him and make our home with him.'" 00:02:52.60\00:02:56.07 >>John: So I want us to notice a few things 00:02:56.10\00:02:57.91 in those verses, right? So, first of all, 00:02:57.94\00:02:59.74 if somebody would think that "agape" is only 00:02:59.77\00:03:02.58 a divine love and never a human love, you're already running 00:03:02.61\00:03:05.28 into problems in this passage, right? Because we're talking 00:03:05.31\00:03:07.62 about a love that is reciprocal, love relationship, right? 00:03:07.65\00:03:11.85 "He who keeps my commandments, it is he who loves me, 00:03:11.89\00:03:15.19 and he who loves me will be loved by my Father." 00:03:15.22\00:03:18.66 And so you have not only humans engaging in this love, 00:03:18.69\00:03:21.03 which again is that verb form of "agape," 00:03:21.06\00:03:23.93 but also God responding, 00:03:23.97\00:03:26.53 that this is a back-and-forth, that God actually somehow 00:03:26.57\00:03:30.04 evaluatively loves in response 00:03:30.07\00:03:33.61 already in John 14, verses 21 and 23. 00:03:33.64\00:03:37.01 And so you have this condition in verse 23: 00:03:37.05\00:03:39.68 "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; 00:03:39.71\00:03:42.65 and my Father will love him." 00:03:42.68\00:03:44.89 So this is a back-and-forth love relationship, 00:03:44.92\00:03:47.79 using "agape" all throughout. 00:03:47.82\00:03:49.62 So already there we see a misconception 00:03:49.66\00:03:51.96 that would be cleared up. 00:03:51.99\00:03:53.86 Then if we go to John 16, verse 27, we'll see another issue here 00:03:53.90\00:03:58.77 because, as I mentioned before, it's common for people to say 00:03:58.80\00:04:02.44 that the Greek verb "phileo" refers to a lesser kind of love. 00:04:02.47\00:04:07.11 It's a deficient kind of love. 00:04:07.14\00:04:08.88 Sometimes spoken of as "brotherly love," 00:04:08.91\00:04:11.31 but actually that's from a compound term, "Philadelphia." 00:04:11.35\00:04:14.45 That means "brotherly love," but it's the latter part 00:04:14.48\00:04:17.12 of that compound term; that is the "brotherly" part. 00:04:17.15\00:04:19.29 But some say, "Oh, this is a lesser kind of love. 00:04:19.32\00:04:21.96 It's deficient." Well, is that really true? 00:04:21.99\00:04:24.63 Well, let's look at John 16:27. 00:04:24.66\00:04:26.13 In John 16, verse 27, the verb that's used here 00:04:26.16\00:04:30.33 of love is "phileo," and just notice what it says. 00:04:30.37\00:04:33.94 "For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved me, 00:04:33.97\00:04:38.94 and have believed that I came forth from God." 00:04:38.97\00:04:42.38 Now, that sounds almost identical in teaching 00:04:42.41\00:04:45.15 to what we read in John 14, right? 00:04:45.18\00:04:47.15 But here we have the "phileo" verb that is used. 00:04:47.18\00:04:49.82 And so immediately from this verse 00:04:49.85\00:04:51.69 you should know that whatever else "phileo" means, 00:04:51.72\00:04:54.52 it is not necessarily a deficient kind of love. 00:04:54.56\00:04:57.49 How do we know that? 00:04:57.53\00:04:58.83 Because God Himself loves us with that kind of love, 00:04:58.86\00:05:01.96 according to this text, and God's love is never deficient, 00:05:02.00\00:05:05.10 and actually what we find throughout the Bible 00:05:05.13\00:05:07.17 is that there is no unique term for God's love. 00:05:07.20\00:05:11.81 God's love is the greatest and most generous and perfect love 00:05:11.84\00:05:14.88 not because of the word that's used 00:05:14.91\00:05:16.88 but because God who is the one who gives it. 00:05:16.91\00:05:19.18 In fact, the root of "agape" can refer to anything 00:05:19.21\00:05:23.75 from the most generous, noble, wonderful kind of love 00:05:23.79\00:05:28.09 to something that we wouldn't even describe as love itself. 00:05:28.12\00:05:31.59 To give an example of this, kind of a sad example, 00:05:31.63\00:05:35.10 in the Old Testament translation into the Greek, 00:05:35.13\00:05:38.93 known as the Septuagint, 00:05:38.97\00:05:40.44 you have the common word for "love" 00:05:40.47\00:05:43.27 used in the story of Amnon and Tamar. 00:05:43.30\00:05:45.77 And if anyone's not familiar with that story, 00:05:45.81\00:05:47.94 you have this horrible story of one of David's sons, Amnon, 00:05:47.98\00:05:53.25 who claims to be in love with his half-sister Tamar, 00:05:53.28\00:05:57.75 and he says over and over again, "I love her. I love her." 00:05:57.79\00:06:01.26 But actually in the story it's really nothing more than 00:06:01.29\00:06:03.93 a rapacious lust, and then in the story he actually takes her 00:06:03.96\00:06:08.50 by force in a horrible, horrible example, 00:06:08.53\00:06:12.50 and he actually says, you know, "I loved her." 00:06:12.53\00:06:16.60 Obviously, this is nothing close to love, but the Greek word 00:06:16.64\00:06:20.91 that's used there throughout that story to translate 00:06:20.94\00:06:23.28 the term for "love" is "agape." 00:06:23.31\00:06:25.88 And the Hebrew term in the original Hebrew 00:06:25.91\00:06:27.85 is the main term for "love" in the Old Testament, 00:06:27.88\00:06:29.98 and it just shows you there's a broad range of these terms. 00:06:30.02\00:06:33.96 And it's not the term itself that is describing 00:06:33.99\00:06:36.96 a special kind of love. 00:06:36.99\00:06:38.49 The special kind of love is actually because 00:06:38.53\00:06:41.23 the agent who is God Himself, and it's His kind of love. 00:06:41.26\00:06:45.40 But there, again, there's all kinds of misconceptions 00:06:45.43\00:06:47.90 that come from a number of theologians in past ages, 00:06:47.94\00:06:50.91 who had a particular view of God 00:06:50.94\00:06:52.74 who can't enter into back-and-forth relationship. 00:06:52.77\00:06:55.24 And so they thought of God's love as just unilateral. 00:06:55.28\00:06:57.65 When they thought of "agape" love, they thought of love 00:06:57.68\00:07:00.15 that only gives and never receives 00:07:00.18\00:07:01.32 because God isn't supposed to receive anything, 00:07:01.35\00:07:03.99 but in the Bible there's actually a back and forth. 00:07:04.02\00:07:06.22 It's always asymmetrical because God is always the great lover, 00:07:06.25\00:07:09.39 the source of love. We don't deserve love, 00:07:09.42\00:07:11.36 we can never merit it, but we can respond to it. 00:07:11.39\00:07:13.86 We can enter into real relationship with God, 00:07:13.90\00:07:15.86 and that's what God calls us into and draws us into 00:07:15.90\00:07:19.60 throughout the biblical story. 00:07:19.63\00:07:20.94 >>Eric: You know, I--that's actually where I want to go 00:07:20.97\00:07:22.97 with my next question, this idea of God being a relational God 00:07:23.00\00:07:26.17 and not just a unilaterally-loving God. 00:07:26.21\00:07:30.25 What does that help us to understand--or how does that 00:07:30.28\00:07:32.71 help us to understand our responsibility 00:07:32.75\00:07:35.38 to reflect God's love back to Him? 00:07:35.42\00:07:38.09 >>John: Yeah, this is very important, right? 00:07:38.12\00:07:40.76 So whenever we talk about the back-and-forth relationship, 00:07:40.79\00:07:43.19 and even when we talk about that there's even 00:07:43.22\00:07:45.69 some conditionality in relationship, 00:07:45.73\00:07:48.03 which we'll talk about more and more extensively later, 00:07:48.06\00:07:51.80 we need to first emphasize the fact 00:07:51.83\00:07:53.80 that all love starts with God. 00:07:53.84\00:07:55.94 Right? So Jeremiah 31:3, God says, 00:07:55.97\00:07:58.77 "I have loved you with an everlasting love; 00:07:58.81\00:08:01.78 therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you." Right? 00:08:01.81\00:08:06.25 And so it's God who is drawing us into love relationship 00:08:06.28\00:08:09.08 before we ever love Him in the first place. 00:08:09.12\00:08:11.75 And 1 John 4:19 just says, 00:08:11.79\00:08:13.32 "We love...because He first loved us." 00:08:13.36\00:08:17.69 So all love begins with God. He's the source of all love. 00:08:17.73\00:08:22.26 We cannot just originate it in ourselves, 00:08:22.30\00:08:25.43 but He invites us to respond to Him. 00:08:25.47\00:08:27.64 And so this is a universal love that is given to everyone, 00:08:27.67\00:08:30.64 but I refer to it as a universally relational love 00:08:30.67\00:08:33.64 because it's love that calls everyone into relationship 00:08:33.68\00:08:36.61 because God will never force His love on anyone. 00:08:36.64\00:08:39.31 In fact, love itself, by nature, requires it to be freely given 00:08:39.35\00:08:44.45 and freely received. 00:08:44.49\00:08:45.95 Like, even if I could control someone else's mind, 00:08:45.99\00:08:48.96 I wouldn't be able to make them love me. 00:08:48.99\00:08:51.56 I might be able to make them think they love me, I might 00:08:51.59\00:08:53.70 be able to make them respond in all the ways, external ways, 00:08:53.73\00:08:57.17 that love typically responds, but would they love me? 00:08:57.20\00:08:59.63 No, because love must be freely given and freely received. 00:08:59.67\00:09:04.37 And so God pours out this love prior to any conditions, 00:09:04.41\00:09:09.38 unmerited, on all people to draw us all into relationship 00:09:09.41\00:09:13.98 with Him, but we have a choice whether to respond to that, 00:09:14.02\00:09:16.95 whether to enter into that relationship with Him. 00:09:16.99\00:09:19.02 >>Eric: So God is very relational. 00:09:19.05\00:09:21.66 He's looking for that back-and-forth between Him 00:09:21.69\00:09:25.13 and us, for it to be genuine, for it to be authentic. 00:09:25.16\00:09:27.76 I'm going to read a passage here in Deuteronomy; 00:09:27.83\00:09:30.27 Deuteronomy 7, verses 6 through 9. 00:09:30.30\00:09:32.70 And help us to understand this relational aspect, 00:09:32.73\00:09:35.94 this covenantal love from this passage. 00:09:35.97\00:09:38.84 It says, "For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; 00:09:38.87\00:09:43.18 "the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, 00:09:43.21\00:09:46.38 "a special treasure above all the peoples 00:09:46.41\00:09:48.45 "on the face of the earth. 00:09:48.48\00:09:49.88 "The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you 00:09:49.92\00:09:53.69 "because you were more in number than any other people, 00:09:53.72\00:09:56.56 "for you were the least of all peoples; 00:09:56.59\00:09:58.69 "but because the Lord loves you, 00:09:58.73\00:10:00.60 "and because He would keep the oath which He swore 00:10:00.63\00:10:03.40 "to your fathers, the Lord has brought you out 00:10:03.43\00:10:06.07 "with a mighty hand, and redeemed you 00:10:06.10\00:10:07.94 "from the house of bondage, 00:10:07.97\00:10:09.54 "from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 00:10:09.57\00:10:11.84 "Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, 00:10:11.87\00:10:15.14 "the faithful God who keeps covenant 00:10:15.18\00:10:17.11 "and mercy for a thousand generations 00:10:17.15\00:10:19.95 with those who love Him and keep His commandments." 00:10:19.98\00:10:22.88 >>John: What a beautiful passage, right? 00:10:22.92\00:10:24.69 And so I'll start kind of at the end 'cause 00:10:24.72\00:10:26.76 I want to make sure that I don't miss this point 00:10:26.79\00:10:28.76 and no one misses this point. 00:10:28.79\00:10:30.26 You have that beautiful phrase at the end of God 00:10:30.29\00:10:33.09 who is a faithful God, who keeps His covenant 00:10:33.13\00:10:36.16 and His faithfulness-- to how long? 00:10:36.20\00:10:38.37 To 1,000 generations of those who love Him. 00:10:38.40\00:10:42.77 And so you see, again, this is an asymmetrical relationship. 00:10:42.80\00:10:45.27 God's love is much greater than the love of His people, 00:10:45.31\00:10:47.94 but He calls people into relationship, 00:10:47.98\00:10:50.08 this covenant relationship 00:10:50.11\00:10:51.71 that He will actually extend far beyond, 00:10:51.75\00:10:54.85 even to the thousandth generation, but there 00:10:54.88\00:10:57.09 is that back-and-forth in this relationship. 00:10:57.12\00:11:00.46 Now, here also in this passage you have this relationship 00:11:00.49\00:11:04.09 between love and choice and love and election. 00:11:04.13\00:11:07.86 God's covenant people are especially chosen people. 00:11:07.93\00:11:10.50 They are elect. They're elect in a way that is unmerited. 00:11:10.53\00:11:13.34 They did nothing to deserve being the covenant, 00:11:13.37\00:11:16.20 chosen people of God. 00:11:16.24\00:11:17.71 The text says God chose them because He loved them, right? 00:11:17.74\00:11:22.61 And so, whereas there is often a common identification 00:11:22.64\00:11:28.22 of love and choice-- there are some people 00:11:28.25\00:11:29.72 that even say, "Love just is to choose"-- 00:11:29.75\00:11:32.45 that's actually a misconception. 00:11:32.49\00:11:35.29 It is true that love involves choice. 00:11:35.32\00:11:37.56 We saw that in the last lesson very clearly. 00:11:37.59\00:11:39.89 God loves freely, and He invites us to love freely. 00:11:39.93\00:11:42.06 Love involves choice, but it cannot be reduced to choice; 00:11:42.10\00:11:45.20 and here God's choice of His people 00:11:45.23\00:11:47.24 is already based on His prior love for them, 00:11:47.27\00:11:52.91 and this should reinforce two points for them and for us. 00:11:52.94\00:11:55.68 There could be a common way. 00:11:55.71\00:11:57.91 If you're part of God's covenant people, God's special people, 00:11:57.95\00:11:59.81 you could think, "Oh, I'm special. 00:11:59.85\00:12:01.65 Maybe I deserved this." Right? 00:12:01.68\00:12:03.52 And you see, first of all, you weren't chosen because you were 00:12:03.55\00:12:06.15 better than anyone else or you were greater than anyone else. 00:12:06.19\00:12:08.69 No, it's because God set His affection on you. 00:12:08.72\00:12:12.13 He chose you for special blessings. Why? 00:12:12.16\00:12:14.30 Because He already loved you, and you didn't deserve that, 00:12:14.30\00:12:16.83 either, nor could you ever deserve that. 00:12:16.87\00:12:19.67 This is entirely unmerited love that God gives for His people, 00:12:19.70\00:12:26.44 and He sets His affection on His people for that reason. 00:12:26.47\00:12:31.05 Not only that, there could be a misconception 00:12:31.08\00:12:33.31 that God is somehow partial. He's choosing this people. 00:12:33.35\00:12:36.62 Why do they get these special blessings? 00:12:36.65\00:12:39.15 And it is because God wants to bless all nations through them. 00:12:39.19\00:12:43.02 This is the reason for election all throughout Scripture. 00:12:43.06\00:12:45.86 In Genesis, the promise made to Abraham is, "I will-- 00:12:45.89\00:12:49.26 I've chosen you, and I will bless you to bless all peoples." 00:12:49.30\00:12:52.37 And so God is drawing the covenant people 00:12:52.40\00:12:54.37 into relationship to be a blessing to everyone 00:12:54.40\00:12:57.54 'cause He wants to have that same kind 00:12:57.57\00:12:59.21 of love relationship with everyone. 00:12:59.24\00:13:00.94 >>Eric: And I think He probably wants to use us to help 00:13:00.98\00:13:03.78 other people understand that love, too. 00:13:03.81\00:13:05.95 John, we're digging into something here really deep, 00:13:05.98\00:13:08.28 this covenantal love concept. 00:13:08.32\00:13:10.12 You've authored a companion book to this quarter's 00:13:10.15\00:13:13.46 "Sabbath School" lesson. Share with us a little bit about that. 00:13:13.49\00:13:16.36 >>John: Yeah, in that companion volume, 00:13:16.39\00:13:18.26 I get an opportunity to go deeper into the biblical text, 00:13:18.29\00:13:21.23 deeper into the understanding of what God's love is like, 00:13:21.26\00:13:25.57 deeper into some of the misconceptions 00:13:25.60\00:13:27.37 that are out there, and deeper into how we understand 00:13:27.40\00:13:31.37 that God actually loves us with a love that is much greater 00:13:31.41\00:13:35.71 than most of us have been taught. 00:13:35.74\00:13:38.05 I thought I knew what God's love was like 00:13:38.08\00:13:39.95 before I spent many years studying it, 00:13:39.98\00:13:41.78 and I'll tell you the picture that emerged 00:13:41.82\00:13:44.25 is more beautiful than I could imagine. 00:13:44.29\00:13:46.25 And we can only scratch the surface in the lesson. 00:13:46.29\00:13:48.09 The companion volume goes further. 00:13:48.12\00:13:49.76 We can even only scratch the surface in that. 00:13:49.79\00:13:52.36 >>Eric: Fantastic. 00:13:52.39\00:13:53.70 So if you would like to pick up that companion volume 00:13:53.73\00:13:56.53 to this quarter's "Sabbath School" lesson, 00:13:56.56\00:13:58.37 you will find it at itiswritten.shop. 00:13:58.40\00:14:01.04 Again, at itiswritten.shop. 00:14:01.07\00:14:03.71 We're going to be back in just a moment 00:14:03.74\00:14:05.21 as we continue looking at God's covenantal love, 00:14:05.24\00:14:08.28 digging into it more deeply and seeing God more clearly. 00:14:08.31\00:14:11.78 We'll be right back here on "Sabbath School," 00:14:11.81\00:14:13.82 brought to you by It Is Written. 00:14:13.85\00:14:15.48 [uplifting music] 00:14:15.52\00:14:17.85 >>John Bradshaw: So, what is God really like? 00:14:19.19\00:14:22.49 To hear some people tell the story, "God is a tyrant. 00:14:22.52\00:14:24.96 God is vindictive. God is hateful." 00:14:24.99\00:14:27.60 To hear some people tell the story, "God is a murderer. 00:14:27.66\00:14:31.33 God is masochistic." That's what some people say. 00:14:31.37\00:14:34.94 Now, why would they say such a thing? 00:14:34.97\00:14:36.67 Well, you look into the Bible and in Noah's day 00:14:36.71\00:14:39.14 God destroyed the entire world. 00:14:39.17\00:14:41.41 There may even have been billions of people 00:14:41.44\00:14:44.78 alive at that time. God wiped them out. 00:14:44.81\00:14:47.95 Well, was that a one-off? 00:14:47.98\00:14:49.48 In the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, 185,000 Assyrian soldiers 00:14:49.52\00:14:57.49 were destroyed by God's angels in a night. 00:14:57.53\00:15:00.66 What is the character of God like? 00:15:00.70\00:15:03.40 You don't want to miss "The Character of God." 00:15:03.43\00:15:05.77 We'll talk about creation, love, 00:15:05.80\00:15:08.07 the cross, and you'll know that God is love. 00:15:08.10\00:15:11.74 "The Character of God," 00:15:11.77\00:15:13.94 brought to you by It Is Written TV. 00:15:13.98\00:15:17.48 [uplifting music] 00:15:18.98\00:15:22.78 >>Eric: Welcome back to "Sabbath School," 00:15:22.82\00:15:24.42 brought to you by It Is Written. 00:15:24.45\00:15:26.32 We're taking a look at "God's Love and Justice" this quarter. 00:15:26.35\00:15:29.89 In this lesson, we're taking a look at "Covenantal Love." 00:15:29.92\00:15:34.96 John, I want to kind of delve into something that you unpacked 00:15:35.00\00:15:38.67 here in this lesson about God loving some despicable 00:15:38.70\00:15:43.81 characters, and perhaps we know some folk in our lives or we've 00:15:43.84\00:15:50.05 met some folk that might-- that we might place under 00:15:50.08\00:15:52.95 that banner, under that umbrella of despicable characters. 00:15:52.98\00:15:56.58 How does God deal with those folk, 00:15:56.62\00:15:59.19 and what lessons can we learn from that? 00:15:59.22\00:16:01.32 >>John: Yeah, it's important to recognize 00:16:01.36\00:16:03.39 that God loves everyone, 00:16:03.43\00:16:05.39 even those whom we might think are unlovable, right? 00:16:05.43\00:16:08.63 And if we're being honest with ourselves, somebody who knows 00:16:08.66\00:16:11.23 us in our worst moments, we're among the unlovable too, right? 00:16:11.27\00:16:14.70 We're not ever worthy of God's love. 00:16:14.74\00:16:17.04 But John 3:16, of course, probably the most famous passage 00:16:17.07\00:16:20.54 in the Bible, but no less profound, even though 00:16:20.58\00:16:23.38 we're so familiar with it: 00:16:23.41\00:16:24.28 "For God so loved the world 00:16:24.31\00:16:26.68 "that He gave His [one and] only ...Son, that whoever believes 00:16:26.72\00:16:30.19 in Him [shall] not perish but have everlasting life." 00:16:30.22\00:16:33.96 And that passage says God loves who? 00:16:33.99\00:16:37.49 He, God, He loves the world and everyone in it. 00:16:37.53\00:16:40.60 That includes you. It includes me. 00:16:40.63\00:16:42.73 It includes everyone that you meet and many people 00:16:42.76\00:16:45.90 whom we will never meet. 00:16:45.93\00:16:47.70 And there's a lot of people who, when they hear about God's love, 00:16:47.74\00:16:51.27 they hear that kind of teaching, they say, 00:16:51.31\00:16:53.84 "Oh, that sounds great, 00:16:53.88\00:16:55.34 "but that can't really be true of me, right? 00:16:55.38\00:16:57.51 "God couldn't really love me. I know what I'm like. 00:16:57.55\00:17:00.68 "I know that I'm unworthy. 00:17:00.72\00:17:02.05 I know that I have forfeited any right to God's love." 00:17:02.08\00:17:06.32 And that is true. 00:17:06.35\00:17:08.42 It's true of all of us, but it doesn't stop God 00:17:08.46\00:17:11.29 from continually loving us and calling out to us. 00:17:11.33\00:17:14.03 Let me just give you one example. 00:17:14.10\00:17:15.66 In the history of the nation of Judah, you have a number of 00:17:15.70\00:17:20.14 good kings, and you have a number of bad kings. 00:17:20.17\00:17:22.94 And whenever the kings went bad, 00:17:22.97\00:17:24.27 this--things went very bad for the nation of Judah. 00:17:24.31\00:17:26.57 And one king in particular by the name of Manasseh, 00:17:26.61\00:17:29.88 he was a horrible king, arguably the worst king 00:17:29.91\00:17:33.25 in the line of kings; and he had just done 00:17:33.28\00:17:37.32 every despicable thing imaginable, and nevertheless, 00:17:37.35\00:17:42.49 before Manasseh dies, God makes a way to reclaim him 00:17:42.52\00:17:47.36 and restore him and even provide forgiveness. 00:17:47.40\00:17:51.30 If God can do that for someone like Manasseh, 00:17:51.33\00:17:54.47 He can do it for anyone. 00:17:54.50\00:17:56.67 He can do it for you. He can do it for me. 00:17:56.71\00:18:00.11 >>Eric: You know, speaking of forgiveness, 00:18:00.14\00:18:02.28 there is an interesting passage, a story that Jesus tells 00:18:02.31\00:18:05.65 in Matthew, chapter 18 about the unforgiving debtor. 00:18:05.68\00:18:10.92 This might be a hard one for some of us to stomach and to 00:18:10.95\00:18:15.09 delve into because we've run into some characters out there. 00:18:15.12\00:18:20.86 Unpack this for us and give us a takeaway 00:18:20.90\00:18:25.57 that might be a little difficult pill to swallow 00:18:25.60\00:18:27.90 but one that we need to swallow nevertheless. 00:18:27.94\00:18:29.94 >>John: Yeah, yeah. 00:18:29.97\00:18:31.27 This parable illustrates what is a consistent teaching 00:18:31.31\00:18:34.11 of the Bible, that God bestows love on everyone freely 00:18:34.14\00:18:38.38 prior to conditions, entirely unmerited, 00:18:38.41\00:18:42.58 and yet we can reject love relationship with God. 00:18:42.62\00:18:47.02 Now, it's hard to do that. 00:18:47.06\00:18:48.62 God bears long with us, but you can finally reject Him 00:18:48.66\00:18:52.59 and cut yourself off from Him. 00:18:52.63\00:18:54.36 And we see this in this parable in Matthew 18, 00:18:54.36\00:18:56.70 where you have this man who owes his lord. 00:18:56.73\00:19:00.74 He owes him a great debt, a massive debt, 00:19:00.77\00:19:04.27 a debt of 10,000 talents. 00:19:04.31\00:19:07.64 Now, for our viewers, if you don't know what a talent is, 00:19:07.68\00:19:10.25 a talent was roughly equivalent to 6,000 denarii, and a denarius 00:19:10.28\00:19:15.42 was roughly amount-- about the amount 00:19:15.45\00:19:18.12 that an average day laborer would make in a single day. 00:19:18.15\00:19:22.19 And so if you think about this debt, 00:19:22.22\00:19:24.16 you have 6,000 denarii in every talent. 00:19:24.19\00:19:27.30 So an average day laborer to make 1 talent--let's say they 00:19:27.36\00:19:31.93 work maybe 300 days a year, given all the festivals, 00:19:31.97\00:19:34.40 it's probably going to take them 00:19:34.44\00:19:36.07 about 20 years just to earn 1 talent. 00:19:36.10\00:19:41.41 But he owes this man 10,000 talents--10,000 talents, 00:19:41.44\00:19:47.22 which would take him, like, 200,000 years to earn. 00:19:47.25\00:19:50.72 So there is no way--there is no possible way that he is ever 00:19:50.75\00:19:56.02 going to be able to accumulate enough money to pay off 00:19:56.06\00:20:00.36 this debt, and yet he still says to the lord, "Just give me 00:20:00.40\00:20:02.93 enough time, and I will pay you back everything." 00:20:02.96\00:20:06.03 And his master looks at this man, and he has compassion 00:20:06.07\00:20:09.47 on him, and he says, "I am going to forgive you that debt. 00:20:09.50\00:20:14.58 You owe me nothing." 00:20:14.61\00:20:16.58 This is amazing compassion, amazing grace. 00:20:16.61\00:20:20.25 Nothing in the story merited this. 00:20:20.28\00:20:22.62 Nothing--there was no condition-- 00:20:22.65\00:20:24.52 "Do this first and then you can receive this." 00:20:24.55\00:20:26.65 It's given to him prior to any conditions, entirely unmerited. 00:20:26.69\00:20:30.16 And we could wish that that was the end of the story, but sadly 00:20:30.19\00:20:33.33 it was not the end of the story because the same servant 00:20:33.36\00:20:36.46 goes out, and he finds another man, who owes him a small debt, 00:20:36.50\00:20:42.80 a debt that could be paid off in very little time, comparatively, 00:20:42.84\00:20:47.98 but he doesn't show this other servant 00:20:48.01\00:20:51.05 the same grace and compassion. 00:20:51.08\00:20:53.38 Instead, he takes this servant, and he says, 00:20:53.42\00:20:55.65 "If you're not going to repay the debt, 00:20:55.68\00:20:56.99 I'm going to have you thrown into prison." 00:20:57.02\00:20:58.49 And he has him thrown into prison, 00:20:58.52\00:20:59.89 from which, of course, he could never pay the debt, right? 00:20:59.92\00:21:01.96 This does no one any good. 00:21:01.99\00:21:03.46 And when his master finds out about this, he is rightly angry, 00:21:03.49\00:21:07.20 he is rightly furious, and he comes to this servant, 00:21:07.23\00:21:11.17 and he actually takes back the forgiveness 00:21:11.20\00:21:13.94 he had given him. He takes back this compassionate grace. 00:21:13.97\00:21:17.71 And this is a story that shows that even though God's grace 00:21:17.74\00:21:21.01 and compassion is given freely, without any cost, 00:21:21.04\00:21:24.11 without any prior conditions, we can reject it; 00:21:24.15\00:21:27.12 we can forfeit it; 00:21:27.15\00:21:28.38 we can turn our backs on it, as this servant does in the story. 00:21:28.42\00:21:34.49 And so many people struggle with this idea because we're 00:21:34.52\00:21:37.09 typically taught that God's love is entirely unconditional, 00:21:37.13\00:21:41.06 and it's true that God's love is unconditional 00:21:41.10\00:21:42.96 in the sense that God always loves everyone 00:21:43.00\00:21:46.23 and always wants to have relationship with everyone. 00:21:46.27\00:21:47.97 God's love is everlasting, and yet God's love also invites us 00:21:48.00\00:21:52.41 into relationship, and that relationship 00:21:52.44\00:21:54.74 involves the condition of responding to God. 00:21:54.78\00:21:58.08 So I use this kind of analogy to try to explain how God's love 00:21:58.11\00:22:01.55 can be unconditional, and yet there's-- 00:22:01.58\00:22:04.35 to enjoy all the benefits--there are involved some conditions. 00:22:04.39\00:22:07.52 And so if you imagine the sun, 00:22:07.56\00:22:09.86 the sun shines on everyone, right? 00:22:09.89\00:22:12.03 And I cannot stop the sun from shining. 00:22:12.06\00:22:14.76 I can shake my fist at the sun and say, 00:22:14.83\00:22:16.46 "Oh, you know, I hate you, sun; stop shining on me," 00:22:16.50\00:22:19.47 and it's not going to make any difference. 00:22:19.50\00:22:21.70 In a similar way, we can't stop God from loving. 00:22:21.74\00:22:24.07 We cannot change His loving nature. 00:22:24.11\00:22:26.41 God is always bestowing His love on everyone, and yet--I cannot 00:22:26.44\00:22:31.08 stop the sun from shining, but I could, if I chose, 00:22:31.11\00:22:34.58 lock myself in a windowless basement. 00:22:34.62\00:22:36.79 I could cut myself off from the rays of the sun 00:22:36.82\00:22:40.12 so that I would not receive them, and in the Bible, 00:22:40.16\00:22:42.49 we also can make a decision to reject God and His love. 00:22:42.52\00:22:46.73 It's very difficult because God will keep seeking us, 00:22:46.76\00:22:49.66 but you can finally make a final decision to reject Him 00:22:49.70\00:22:53.10 and therefore cut yourself off from relationship because, 00:22:53.13\00:22:56.77 again, love must be freely given and freely received, 00:22:56.81\00:22:59.44 and God will never force His love on everyone. 00:22:59.47\00:23:01.81 So we all have that choice, but God always gives His love to us 00:23:01.84\00:23:07.12 prior to any conditions and draws us into relationship 00:23:07.15\00:23:09.68 with Him prior to any conditions. 00:23:09.72\00:23:12.29 >>Eric: So we're getting a clearer picture 00:23:12.32\00:23:13.89 of God's love here. 00:23:13.92\00:23:15.22 What kind of an impact could that, should that make on us? 00:23:15.26\00:23:18.73 If we constantly keep God's love in our minds and in front of us, 00:23:18.76\00:23:23.70 what does that look like in--how would that manifest itself 00:23:23.73\00:23:27.20 in our interactions with others? 00:23:27.24\00:23:29.04 >>John: Yeah, I mean, this is a major teaching of 1 John; 00:23:29.07\00:23:32.04 1 John just teaches consistently that God is love. 00:23:32.07\00:23:37.31 And if you have received God's love, you also 00:23:37.35\00:23:40.32 ought to love others the way that He has loved us. 00:23:40.35\00:23:43.32 So if we're being honest with ourselves, none of us 00:23:43.35\00:23:45.59 deserve God's love; none of us deserve God's favor. 00:23:45.62\00:23:48.59 And if we recognize just how compassionate and gracious 00:23:48.62\00:23:52.26 and loving God has been toward us, how can we not be gracious 00:23:52.29\00:23:56.73 and compassionate toward others? 00:23:56.77\00:23:59.60 And 1 John 4 just says that if you love God, 00:23:59.63\00:24:04.11 you should also love others. 00:24:04.14\00:24:05.77 Another place it says if you claim to love God 00:24:05.81\00:24:08.44 and you don't love your brother or your sister, you are a liar. 00:24:08.48\00:24:12.45 And so, in fact, the fact of accepting God's love includes 00:24:12.48\00:24:17.62 that we will allow God's love to flow through us, 00:24:17.65\00:24:19.79 God's love to shine through us. 00:24:19.82\00:24:21.62 And in fact, the number one way that you can actually love God 00:24:21.66\00:24:25.39 in return, that you can actually reciprocate His love, 00:24:25.43\00:24:28.10 is by loving someone else because to love someone else 00:24:28.13\00:24:32.23 is indirectly to love God because God loves everyone. 00:24:32.27\00:24:35.37 Similar to the way that if you really want to do 00:24:35.40\00:24:37.37 something loving toward me, do something for my son, right? 00:24:37.41\00:24:40.04 I will appreciate that more than you doing something 00:24:40.08\00:24:42.28 directly for me because I love him. 00:24:42.31\00:24:44.15 When we show love to others, that is a way of loving God. 00:24:44.18\00:24:47.95 >>Eric: So let's say that there's somebody who's studying 00:24:47.98\00:24:50.92 through this right now, and they're getting a picture 00:24:50.95\00:24:53.99 of this, but they're still like, "How can God love me? 00:24:54.02\00:24:57.26 "I'm that despicable character. 00:24:57.29\00:24:59.03 I realize how far short I fall of the ideal." 00:24:59.06\00:25:04.50 What would you share with that person to encourage them 00:25:04.53\00:25:07.44 about God's love for them? 00:25:07.47\00:25:10.11 >>John: Yeah, I would share with that person the fact that 00:25:10.14\00:25:13.48 no matter where you've been, no matter where you are now, 00:25:13.51\00:25:17.11 God's love is exponentially greater than your shortcomings. 00:25:17.15\00:25:22.88 Again, if God could restore someone like Manasseh, and you 00:25:22.92\00:25:26.45 look through the biblical story, you look at some of the people 00:25:26.49\00:25:28.59 that God called to do some of the greatest things, you look 00:25:28.62\00:25:31.59 where they started, and you see where they ended up because 00:25:31.63\00:25:33.96 of God's love, there is hope for each one of us in Christ. 00:25:34.00\00:25:39.67 And the key is to recognize that it's not really about us. 00:25:39.70\00:25:44.34 It's not our merit. It's not our being good enough. 00:25:44.37\00:25:46.94 It is God and His love. 00:25:46.98\00:25:49.48 And so to take an example, someone might think, 00:25:49.51\00:25:51.48 "Oh, it'd be impossible for God to love me. 00:25:51.51\00:25:54.15 "It'd be impossible for me to walk with God. 00:25:54.18\00:25:56.05 I've gone too far. I can't turn around." 00:25:56.08\00:26:00.19 With man, this might be impossible, 00:26:00.22\00:26:02.39 but with God, all things are impossible. 00:26:02.42\00:26:04.69 And I think of that story when Jesus meets the disciples. 00:26:04.73\00:26:08.40 They're in the boat and Jesus meets them, 00:26:08.43\00:26:10.47 and He's walking on the water, and Peter immediately is like, 00:26:10.50\00:26:13.13 "Oh, I want to come out there with You." 00:26:13.17\00:26:14.40 Right? And Jesus says, "Come out." 00:26:14.44\00:26:17.41 And Peter does, and he's walking on water, which normally 00:26:17.44\00:26:20.91 would be impossible, but it was possible 00:26:20.94\00:26:23.61 as long as he kept his eyes on Jesus. 00:26:23.65\00:26:25.91 But in the story, he looked down, 00:26:25.95\00:26:27.52 he looked away from Jesus, and then he began to sink. 00:26:27.55\00:26:29.82 And that shows us the key all throughout Scripture. 00:26:29.85\00:26:31.92 Keep your eyes on Jesus. 00:26:31.95\00:26:33.76 Recognize His love and how much He loves you, 00:26:33.79\00:26:36.46 and don't wait to respond to Him. He's calling you. 00:26:36.49\00:26:40.10 He's calling each one, even now, 00:26:40.13\00:26:41.90 to be into relationship with Him. So don't wait. 00:26:41.93\00:26:45.07 He's calling you now, and He will make a way to not only 00:26:45.10\00:26:49.07 restore you to relationship with Him but to carry you through, 00:26:49.10\00:26:52.57 to even make it so that you can effectively walk on water 00:26:52.61\00:26:56.28 through His power. 00:26:56.31\00:26:57.61 >>Eric: And that's powerful and something that we need 00:26:57.65\00:26:59.45 to not just understand intellectually 00:26:59.48\00:27:02.12 but deep in our hearts 00:27:02.15\00:27:03.79 to embrace and to receive with gladness of heart. 00:27:03.82\00:27:06.82 Makes all the difference in the world. 00:27:06.86\00:27:08.96 And we are glad that you are joining us 00:27:08.99\00:27:10.99 as we're digging into this subject. 00:27:11.03\00:27:12.89 It is a fascinating subject, it is a deep subject, 00:27:12.93\00:27:15.86 and it is a subject that can materially transform 00:27:15.90\00:27:19.53 the relationship that we have with God, 00:27:19.57\00:27:21.54 and not just the relationship that we have with Him 00:27:21.57\00:27:23.87 but the relationship that we have with one another. 00:27:23.91\00:27:26.71 And as God's character, His attributes are manifested 00:27:26.74\00:27:31.05 in us by us spending time with Him and allowing Him 00:27:31.08\00:27:34.25 to work in our hearts, imagine the difference 00:27:34.28\00:27:37.92 that people will see, and their concept of God will change 00:27:37.95\00:27:42.09 as a result of their interactions with you. 00:27:42.12\00:27:44.29 We have an awesome opportunity. 00:27:44.33\00:27:46.63 We're continuing our study of God's love and justice. 00:27:46.66\00:27:49.43 We'll be back again next week as we continue our study 00:27:49.46\00:27:52.53 here on "Sabbath School," brought to you by It Is Written. 00:27:52.57\00:27:55.94 [uplifting music] 00:27:55.97\00:27:58.97 [uplifting music] 00:28:23.97\00:28:26.94 [Captions provided by Aberdeen Captioning www.abercap.com] 00:28:26.97\00:28:41.98