>> If you had to say 00:00:00.83\00:00:01.93 goodbye to her 00:00:01.93\00:00:02.90 for a little while, 00:00:02.90\00:00:04.63 but in the end, everthing was 00:00:04.63\00:00:06.27 going to be okay, 00:00:06.27\00:00:08.74 would that be all right 00:00:08.74\00:00:09.54 with you? 00:00:09.54\00:00:10.54 That question was 00:00:11.51\00:00:14.14 deep. 00:00:14.14\00:00:15.98 It was thought provoking, 00:00:15.98\00:00:18.15 but it was also reassuring. 00:00:18.15\00:00:19.85 [theme music] 00:00:22.25\00:00:25.25 ¤¤ 00:00:25.25\00:00:28.19 [calm music] 00:00:59.59\00:01:02.66 ¤¤ 00:01:02.66\00:01:05.06 >> Welcome to 00:01:05.06\00:01:05.93 It Is Written Canada. 00:01:05.93\00:01:06.93 Thank you for joining us. 00:01:06.93\00:01:07.96 Some losses in life 00:01:07.96\00:01:09.06 are self-inflicted, 00:01:09.06\00:01:10.20 and some losses come 00:01:10.20\00:01:12.40 at us unexpectedly. 00:01:12.40\00:01:14.67 What do we do 00:01:14.67\00:01:16.17 when we are faced with the loss 00:01:16.17\00:01:18.81 of a loved one? 00:01:18.81\00:01:20.61 When life is totally 00:01:20.61\00:01:22.68 out of control? 00:01:22.68\00:01:24.31 What do we need to know 00:01:24.31\00:01:25.88 about God at times like these? 00:01:25.88\00:01:28.72 >> Why does He choose 00:01:30.09\00:01:31.25 to not answer prayer sometimes? 00:01:31.25\00:01:33.69 And how do we handle 00:01:34.79\00:01:35.89 the loss of a child 00:01:35.89\00:01:37.19 when we stand helplessly by? 00:01:37.19\00:01:39.93 What does God want us to know 00:01:39.93\00:01:42.06 about Him 00:01:42.06\00:01:43.53 at times like these? 00:01:43.53\00:01:46.17 Today on It Is Written Canada, 00:01:46.17\00:01:47.87 our special guest is 00:01:47.87\00:01:49.57 Pastor Bill Spangler, who knows 00:01:49.57\00:01:51.44 all about loss. 00:01:51.44\00:01:52.87 He has led churches 00:01:52.87\00:01:54.84 in the maritime provinces, 00:01:54.84\00:01:56.51 British Columbia and Alberta, 00:01:56.51\00:01:58.25 retiring from ministry 00:01:58.25\00:01:59.78 in 2020. 00:01:59.78\00:02:01.88 He has a bachelor's degree of 00:02:02.95\00:02:04.89 theology and a master's degree 00:02:04.89\00:02:07.02 in divinity, and has trained 00:02:07.02\00:02:09.32 and is certified 00:02:09.32\00:02:11.06 as a family mediator 00:02:11.06\00:02:13.06 and life coach. 00:02:13.06\00:02:14.30 >> Bill is married to 00:02:15.53\00:02:16.63 Gwen Yosako and they are parents 00:02:16.63\00:02:18.83 to two daughters 00:02:18.83\00:02:20.27 and enjoy two grandchildren. 00:02:20.27\00:02:22.67 and enjoy two grandchildren. 00:02:22.67\00:02:23.27 Bill is the author of the book 00:02:23.41\00:02:25.21 Lessons From the Wilderness, 00:02:25.21\00:02:27.54 a catalog of life's lessons 00:02:27.54\00:02:29.84 that are useful to anyone 00:02:29.84\00:02:31.78 seeking personal growth and 00:02:31.78\00:02:34.25 skills for making relationships 00:02:34.25\00:02:35.98 skills for making relationships 00:02:35.98\00:02:36.75 work. 00:02:36.75\00:02:37.72 >> Bill, thank you for 00:02:38.32\00:02:39.75 joining us on 00:02:39.75\00:02:40.76 It Is Written Canada today. 00:02:40.76\00:02:42.59 >> It's my privilege 00:02:42.59\00:02:43.59 to be here again. 00:02:43.59\00:02:44.56 Thank you for inviting me. 00:02:44.56\00:02:45.79 >> Pastor Bill, in your book, 00:02:46.66\00:02:48.50 you speak about 00:02:48.50\00:02:50.30 different losses 00:02:50.30\00:02:51.63 that you experienced throughout 00:02:51.63\00:02:53.84 your wilderness journey. 00:02:53.84\00:02:55.74 Can you tell us about 00:02:55.74\00:02:57.41 a loss that you suffered 00:02:57.41\00:02:59.61 that had nothing to do with 00:02:59.61\00:03:01.58 you causing it? 00:03:01.58\00:03:02.84 >> Yeah, the sad reality of 00:03:04.41\00:03:05.95 life on planet Earth is that 00:03:05.95\00:03:07.68 we all deal with loss. 00:03:07.68\00:03:09.15 Loss comes unexpectedly, 00:03:10.92\00:03:12.75 abruptly. 00:03:12.75\00:03:14.32 Sometimes we see it coming 00:03:14.32\00:03:15.72 and we can't stop it. 00:03:15.72\00:03:17.13 And so losses come in a 00:03:18.69\00:03:19.96 variety of things. 00:03:19.96\00:03:21.00 And so I think it's a good topic 00:03:21.00\00:03:22.36 to talk about. 00:03:22.36\00:03:23.80 I was fortunate, we were 00:03:25.10\00:03:27.00 fortunate enough to have 00:03:27.00\00:03:28.74 two girls. 00:03:28.74\00:03:29.74 Like every family, we- 00:03:30.74\00:03:33.11 pastor's family, we moved around 00:03:33.11\00:03:34.64 a bit and they had to face... 00:03:34.64\00:03:36.85 ...changing schools and 00:03:38.05\00:03:39.41 changing homes, and- 00:03:39.41\00:03:41.02 but they weathered it well. 00:03:41.02\00:03:42.38 They were great. 00:03:42.38\00:03:44.39 And as they got older and 00:03:44.39\00:03:46.29 graduated from high school, 00:03:46.29\00:03:47.76 went on to college, 00:03:47.76\00:03:49.86 Karen became, 00:03:49.86\00:03:51.19 our younger daughter, 00:03:51.19\00:03:52.33 became a graphic design artist. 00:03:52.33\00:03:54.83 And Kristen, our older daughter, 00:03:55.76\00:03:58.10 went to school to become a nurse 00:03:58.10\00:04:00.57 and spent time 00:04:00.57\00:04:02.80 working with children 00:04:02.80\00:04:04.04 in hospital at 00:04:04.04\00:04:05.91 Loma Linda, California, 00:04:05.91\00:04:07.24 and then moved to 00:04:07.24\00:04:08.01 and then moved to 00:04:08.01\00:04:09.51 Seattle, Washington, 00:04:09.51\00:04:10.58 where she was a nurse at the 00:04:10.58\00:04:13.48 Seattle Children's Hospital. 00:04:13.48\00:04:15.48 She did a lot of IV therapy. 00:04:15.48\00:04:18.05 She was a specialist at that. 00:04:18.05\00:04:19.22 She was a specialist at that. 00:04:19.22\00:04:20.76 And they would call her to do 00:04:20.76\00:04:23.12 IVs on little preemie babies. 00:04:23.12\00:04:25.56 And... 00:04:27.13\00:04:28.16 ...one woman described it as 00:04:28.66\00:04:30.60 Kristen could put 00:04:30.60\00:04:31.87 an IV into a rock if she had to. 00:04:31.87\00:04:34.04 She was just an expert 00:04:34.04\00:04:36.27 at finding those 00:04:36.27\00:04:37.27 tiny little veins and 00:04:37.27\00:04:39.67 make it work and 00:04:39.67\00:04:40.94 I heard good stories about 00:04:40.94\00:04:43.48 some of the work that she did. 00:04:43.48\00:04:44.88 So as life 00:04:46.18\00:04:47.75 goes along, 00:04:47.75\00:04:49.32 one day, we woke up 00:04:49.32\00:04:51.19 to a new reality. 00:04:51.19\00:04:52.72 She had some tests done 00:04:54.02\00:04:56.83 for something that was 00:04:56.83\00:04:57.93 a concern to her 00:04:57.93\00:04:59.76 and came to the hotel 00:04:59.76\00:05:01.20 where we were staying in Seattle 00:05:01.20\00:05:03.00 and announced that, 00:05:03.00\00:05:05.67 "The test didn't go well. 00:05:05.67\00:05:07.40 I have more tests 00:05:07.40\00:05:08.90 this afternoon. 00:05:08.90\00:05:09.97 But it doesn't look good." 00:05:12.07\00:05:14.81 So we waited around 00:05:14.81\00:05:15.88 for the next 24 hours 00:05:15.88\00:05:17.55 to see what would happen. 00:05:17.55\00:05:18.71 And she... 00:05:18.71\00:05:20.58 ...came the next morning 00:05:21.68\00:05:22.85 as a result of 00:05:22.85\00:05:23.99 getting those test results 00:05:23.99\00:05:25.59 and... 00:05:25.59\00:05:26.62 ...she told us that, 00:05:28.06\00:05:29.39 "I have stage four cancer." 00:05:29.39\00:05:31.16 And, of course, none of us were 00:05:33.03\00:05:34.46 prepared for that. 00:05:34.46\00:05:36.00 That was in August of 2018. 00:05:36.00\00:05:38.13 We didn't know what that meant. 00:05:39.43\00:05:40.64 We didn't know where it went 00:05:40.64\00:05:42.04 from there. 00:05:42.04\00:05:43.04 We didn't know what 00:05:43.04\00:05:44.07 the future held or anything. 00:05:44.07\00:05:45.61 It was just all so fresh. 00:05:45.61\00:05:47.18 But the first day when she came 00:05:48.48\00:05:50.68 and told us that 00:05:50.68\00:05:53.21 the test didn't go well, 00:05:53.21\00:05:54.75 I have more tests to take 00:05:54.75\00:05:56.38 this afternoon, 00:05:56.38\00:05:57.95 at that very same time, in the 00:05:57.95\00:05:59.52 middle of that conversation, 00:05:59.52\00:06:01.59 I had a 00:06:01.59\00:06:03.32 thought go through my mind 00:06:03.32\00:06:04.69 that I don't know that 00:06:04.69\00:06:06.70 it was a voice, 00:06:06.70\00:06:08.20 but it was such a 00:06:08.20\00:06:09.26 clear, ringing message that I 00:06:09.26\00:06:10.97 take it that it was from God. 00:06:10.97\00:06:12.43 I immediately felt it was 00:06:12.43\00:06:13.84 God speaking to me. 00:06:13.84\00:06:15.17 And the message was this: 00:06:16.77\00:06:18.84 "You've been praying 00:06:18.84\00:06:19.87 for this girl. 00:06:19.87\00:06:21.71 Trust Me. 00:06:21.71\00:06:22.91 I've got this." 00:06:22.91\00:06:24.85 That was the 00:06:24.85\00:06:26.25 clear, clear sentence 00:06:26.25\00:06:28.12 in my mind. 00:06:28.12\00:06:30.22 So I didn't know 00:06:30.22\00:06:31.59 if that "I've got this" message 00:06:31.59\00:06:34.16 was, "I'm going to heal her..." 00:06:34.16\00:06:37.06 ...or if the message was, 00:06:38.33\00:06:40.33 "I've got this," meaning 00:06:40.33\00:06:43.26 "Don't worry. 00:06:43.26\00:06:44.47 Everything is in My control." 00:06:44.47\00:06:46.43 So I took courage from that 00:06:48.14\00:06:50.14 that I shared with the family 00:06:50.14\00:06:52.11 immediately afterwards. 00:06:52.11\00:06:53.61 I said, "I just feel 00:06:53.61\00:06:55.71 very strongly to tell you this. 00:06:55.71\00:06:58.61 So let's find out 00:06:58.61\00:06:59.68 where this goes." 00:06:59.68\00:07:02.15 So three weeks later, 00:07:02.15\00:07:03.99 I was back in Seattle 00:07:03.99\00:07:06.49 for her first... 00:07:06.49\00:07:08.26 ...chemo infusion. 00:07:09.52\00:07:11.83 I stayed around with her 00:07:11.83\00:07:12.96 for a couple days to make sure 00:07:12.96\00:07:14.36 that she was okay. 00:07:14.36\00:07:16.56 And we went for a lunch 00:07:16.56\00:07:18.17 before I got on the airplane 00:07:18.17\00:07:19.50 to go home and had a 00:07:19.50\00:07:21.07 great, great chat, 00:07:21.07\00:07:23.24 just about 00:07:23.24\00:07:25.67 reality of life and... 00:07:25.67\00:07:27.48 ...she was so optimistic. 00:07:29.78\00:07:31.51 "I'm going to beat this. 00:07:31.51\00:07:33.01 Everything is going to be 00:07:33.01\00:07:34.25 good because I'm going to 00:07:34.25\00:07:35.78 do what it takes to beat this. 00:07:35.78\00:07:37.62 I'm going to be 00:07:37.62\00:07:38.65 a cancer survivor," 00:07:38.65\00:07:39.69 was her message. 00:07:39.69\00:07:41.39 And we sat in the window of a 00:07:41.39\00:07:42.62 little cafe that she liked and 00:07:42.62\00:07:44.59 watched people on the street 00:07:44.59\00:07:46.06 and she was just very 00:07:46.06\00:07:48.46 philosophical about life and... 00:07:48.46\00:07:51.17 ...you know, she's facing 00:07:52.27\00:07:53.37 the battle of her 00:07:53.37\00:07:54.54 whole journey. 00:07:54.54\00:07:55.94 And she pointed to a lady 00:07:55.94\00:07:58.14 on the street. 00:07:58.14\00:07:59.14 I still distinctly 00:07:59.14\00:08:00.28 remember this. 00:08:00.28\00:08:01.58 And that lady was struggling 00:08:01.58\00:08:03.24 with something, 00:08:03.24\00:08:05.01 a health issue of some kind, 00:08:05.01\00:08:06.68 and she said, 00:08:06.68\00:08:08.75 "I have no right 00:08:08.75\00:08:10.12 to judge that lady. 00:08:10.12\00:08:11.32 I don't know her story. 00:08:11.32\00:08:13.19 I just need to love people. 00:08:13.19\00:08:15.02 I need to love her, too." 00:08:15.02\00:08:17.06 And that was her message 00:08:17.06\00:08:18.93 that was awakening within her. 00:08:18.93\00:08:20.96 So she took all the treatment 00:08:22.46\00:08:23.80 that she was scheduled to take. 00:08:23.80\00:08:26.50 She changed her lifestyle. 00:08:26.50\00:08:28.64 She did everything 00:08:28.64\00:08:29.64 that she could to 00:08:29.64\00:08:31.94 take care of her health. 00:08:31.94\00:08:34.58 As I said, that was in August. 00:08:34.58\00:08:37.01 At Christmas time, we were 00:08:37.01\00:08:38.21 all together and she said, 00:08:38.21\00:08:40.75 "Let's not spend money on 00:08:40.75\00:08:42.02 ourselves this Christmas. 00:08:42.02\00:08:43.15 Let's make memories. 00:08:43.15\00:08:44.92 Let's do something for 00:08:44.92\00:08:45.95 somebody else." 00:08:45.95\00:08:47.69 She was just in a whole new 00:08:47.69\00:08:49.16 She was just in a whole new 00:08:49.16\00:08:49.82 space of life and wanted to 00:08:49.82\00:08:52.46 do what we could to... 00:08:52.46\00:08:54.10 ...connect as a family 00:08:56.10\00:08:57.20 and be together. 00:08:57.20\00:08:58.63 She had a good spirit 00:08:58.63\00:08:59.73 about it all, she... 00:08:59.73\00:09:01.14 ...she was struggling, 00:09:02.24\00:09:03.64 but I didn't know it. 00:09:03.64\00:09:05.41 If she cried herself to sleep 00:09:05.41\00:09:07.34 at night, I didn't know that. 00:09:07.34\00:09:09.68 Because with me, with all of us, 00:09:09.68\00:09:11.91 she was always as optimistic as 00:09:11.91\00:09:14.08 she could possibly be. 00:09:14.08\00:09:15.18 Some days were harder than 00:09:15.18\00:09:16.32 others, sure, but 00:09:16.32\00:09:17.59 she had a good spirit. 00:09:17.59\00:09:18.95 But the sad story is that 00:09:20.56\00:09:22.46 13 months after her diagnosis, 00:09:22.46\00:09:24.56 she passed away. 00:09:24.56\00:09:27.13 September of 2019. 00:09:27.13\00:09:29.20 And we were left to 00:09:30.67\00:09:33.77 deal with that. 00:09:33.77\00:09:35.87 Another incident that happened 00:09:35.87\00:09:38.07 about a month before she 00:09:38.07\00:09:39.44 passed away. 00:09:39.44\00:09:41.08 I was awake in the night 00:09:41.08\00:09:42.98 and I was thinking about her, 00:09:42.98\00:09:44.38 of course, and I 00:09:44.38\00:09:45.78 was praying about it and 00:09:45.78\00:09:48.05 another clear message, 00:09:48.05\00:09:49.28 sort of the same as 00:09:49.28\00:09:50.32 the first one, it was just 00:09:50.32\00:09:51.55 a thought that was so 00:09:51.55\00:09:52.69 ringing clear that I knew 00:09:52.69\00:09:54.79 it wasn't from me, 00:09:54.79\00:09:56.69 but I don't know 00:09:56.69\00:09:57.69 that it was a voice. 00:09:57.69\00:09:58.69 It was just so clear. 00:09:58.69\00:10:00.80 And the question was, 00:10:00.80\00:10:03.60 If you had to say goodbye to her 00:10:03.60\00:10:05.60 for a little while, 00:10:05.60\00:10:07.44 but in the end, everything was 00:10:07.44\00:10:09.14 going to be okay, 00:10:09.14\00:10:11.51 would that be all right 00:10:11.51\00:10:12.54 with you? 00:10:12.54\00:10:14.28 And in the context 00:10:14.28\00:10:15.81 of everything, 00:10:15.81\00:10:17.25 that question was 00:10:17.25\00:10:19.95 deep... 00:10:19.95\00:10:20.95 ...it was thought provoking, 00:10:21.75\00:10:23.92 but it was also reassuring. 00:10:23.92\00:10:25.59 I took from that that 00:10:27.62\00:10:29.09 we may lose her here... 00:10:29.09\00:10:31.19 ...but that it's going to be 00:10:32.19\00:10:34.86 okay in the end. 00:10:34.86\00:10:36.46 And so are you 00:10:36.46\00:10:38.63 able to 00:10:38.63\00:10:40.90 see that on the other side, 00:10:40.90\00:10:43.10 and if you have to 00:10:43.10\00:10:45.91 experience the loss of her 00:10:45.91\00:10:47.58 for a little while, 00:10:47.58\00:10:49.74 could you be peaceful 00:10:49.74\00:10:50.78 about that? 00:10:50.78\00:10:51.78 There was a song that 00:10:53.08\00:10:54.72 came to me during 00:10:54.72\00:10:57.12 her sickness. 00:10:57.12\00:10:58.39 She loved music and she was 00:10:58.39\00:11:00.16 always sending us, 00:11:00.16\00:11:01.86 "Listen to this song, 00:11:01.86\00:11:02.86 listen to this song." 00:11:02.86\00:11:03.89 And it was always some 00:11:03.89\00:11:05.23 uplifting about her 00:11:05.23\00:11:08.06 walk with the Lord and 00:11:08.06\00:11:10.77 this song came to me 00:11:10.77\00:11:12.80 one night I was awake and 00:11:12.80\00:11:14.60 searching for music, 00:11:14.60\00:11:15.97 and I found a song called 00:11:15.97\00:11:18.51 "Even If." 00:11:18.51\00:11:19.81 And it brought me such courage 00:11:19.81\00:11:22.71 because it was a question- 00:11:22.71\00:11:24.58 sorry, it was not a question, 00:11:24.58\00:11:25.95 it was a statement of... 00:11:25.95\00:11:27.92 ...somebody saying, 00:11:29.12\00:11:31.25 "Lord, I want You to do this. 00:11:31.25\00:11:33.29 I need You to do this. 00:11:33.29\00:11:35.39 But even if You don't, 00:11:35.39\00:11:37.49 my hope is still 00:11:37.49\00:11:39.09 only in You. 00:11:39.09\00:11:40.43 That's the only place I have." 00:11:40.43\00:11:42.76 And... 00:11:42.76\00:11:43.67 ...so when I heard that 00:11:44.57\00:11:46.00 question, if you had to 00:11:46.00\00:11:47.10 give her up for a little while, 00:11:47.10\00:11:49.57 but in the end, everything was 00:11:49.57\00:11:51.11 going to be okay, would that be 00:11:51.11\00:11:53.17 all right with you? 00:11:53.17\00:11:54.41 That song just blends so nicely 00:11:55.74\00:11:57.88 with that question, that 00:11:57.88\00:12:00.45 I can't control everything, 00:12:00.45\00:12:02.75 but even if You don't 00:12:02.75\00:12:04.55 come through and do the things 00:12:04.55\00:12:05.79 that I want You to do, 00:12:05.79\00:12:07.92 I still can only 00:12:07.92\00:12:09.46 cling to You. 00:12:09.46\00:12:10.43 I can still only 00:12:10.43\00:12:12.09 hang onto You. 00:12:12.09\00:12:13.83 So she... 00:12:13.83\00:12:14.93 ...passed away at 00:12:16.30\00:12:17.40 40 years of age. 00:12:17.40\00:12:19.13 Not long before she passed away, 00:12:19.13\00:12:20.70 she said... 00:12:20.70\00:12:21.77 "I always hoped that, 00:12:23.47\00:12:24.51 of course, that I would get more 00:12:24.51\00:12:26.04 years, 60s and 70s, at least. 00:12:26.04\00:12:28.88 I guess I'm only gonna get 00:12:30.45\00:12:31.61 about 40. 00:12:31.61\00:12:32.65 But I have watched 00:12:33.52\00:12:35.92 kids pass away at ten." 00:12:35.92\00:12:38.62 And so her work with children... 00:12:38.62\00:12:41.32 ...saw loss as 00:12:42.72\00:12:45.86 families went through that 00:12:45.86\00:12:46.86 experience with their children. 00:12:46.86\00:12:48.76 She was aware of those things. 00:12:48.76\00:12:51.27 She was a nurse with feelings, 00:12:51.27\00:12:53.74 but she also had strength. 00:12:53.74\00:12:56.07 And she did her work well. 00:12:56.07\00:12:58.84 And so she sort of took it 00:12:58.84\00:13:01.38 philosophically like 00:13:01.38\00:13:03.38 this is my story, 00:13:03.38\00:13:05.15 and I get 40 years. 00:13:05.15\00:13:07.28 Well, we continued to hope, 00:13:07.28\00:13:08.55 of course, 00:13:08.55\00:13:10.65 that something would change. 00:13:10.65\00:13:12.45 In fact, I still remember even 00:13:12.45\00:13:15.12 the morning 00:13:15.12\00:13:16.29 or the noon, she passed away 00:13:16.29\00:13:17.69 at noon. 00:13:17.69\00:13:18.79 That morning 00:13:18.79\00:13:20.50 I was thinking... 00:13:20.50\00:13:21.83 ...That door could open 00:13:23.93\00:13:25.50 into this hospital room 00:13:25.50\00:13:27.57 and a doctor that we've 00:13:27.57\00:13:28.64 never seen before could come in 00:13:28.64\00:13:30.97 and take her by the hand 00:13:30.97\00:13:32.24 and say, "Little girl, 00:13:32.24\00:13:33.94 get up," 00:13:33.94\00:13:35.81 just like Jesus did. 00:13:35.81\00:13:38.18 I'm saying that that would be 00:13:38.18\00:13:39.35 Jesus. 00:13:39.35\00:13:40.22 He could come in 00:13:40.22\00:13:41.58 and do that if He chose to. 00:13:41.58\00:13:43.12 And I was hoping that He would. 00:13:44.79\00:13:46.59 But it didn't happen. 00:13:48.16\00:13:49.92 And she went to sleep. 00:13:49.92\00:13:51.39 So there's a loss that 00:13:53.03\00:13:55.80 we had no control over. 00:13:55.80\00:13:58.37 We just had to deal with it. 00:13:58.37\00:14:00.57 We just had to work with it. 00:14:00.57\00:14:02.27 And... 00:14:02.27\00:14:03.30 ...I recognize that 00:14:03.97\00:14:06.01 I'm not the first father 00:14:06.01\00:14:07.34 or we weren't the first parents 00:14:07.34\00:14:08.61 to lose a child, 00:14:08.61\00:14:10.18 and we won't be the last. 00:14:10.18\00:14:11.85 And it's life on planet Earth. 00:14:11.85\00:14:14.68 It's existing here 00:14:14.68\00:14:16.95 where we don't wanna be 00:14:16.95\00:14:18.89 in a place where we have to 00:14:18.89\00:14:20.69 go to hospitals like that, 00:14:20.69\00:14:22.29 or go to graveyards or 00:14:22.29\00:14:24.09 say goodbye when we don't- 00:14:24.09\00:14:25.23 when we're not ready to. 00:14:25.23\00:14:26.46 It's not fair, 00:14:26.46\00:14:28.96 but it is what it is. 00:14:28.96\00:14:31.27 And so... 00:14:31.27\00:14:32.37 ...finding strength 00:14:33.23\00:14:34.30 in God that... 00:14:34.30\00:14:35.57 ...even if 00:14:36.84\00:14:38.14 it doesn't change, 00:14:38.14\00:14:39.94 I still cling to You. 00:14:39.94\00:14:41.61 That's what we're left with. 00:14:41.61\00:14:43.61 And that's what's given us 00:14:43.61\00:14:44.88 a hope and a strength. 00:14:44.88\00:14:46.18 >> Bill, I'm so sorry. 00:14:49.18\00:14:50.19 It's very- 00:14:50.19\00:14:51.35 death is very painful. 00:14:51.35\00:14:53.09 And... 00:14:53.09\00:14:54.09 ...I know it was very hard 00:14:54.69\00:14:56.02 for me because I lost my dad 00:14:56.02\00:14:58.99 last year in August. 00:14:58.99\00:15:01.40 And... 00:15:01.40\00:15:02.40 ...I had to see my mom, 00:15:03.10\00:15:04.77 you know, go through the 00:15:04.77\00:15:05.83 grieving process. 00:15:05.83\00:15:07.67 And I spoke to someone 00:15:07.67\00:15:08.97 and they said, "You know, when 00:15:08.97\00:15:10.57 you lose a spouse, 00:15:10.57\00:15:12.94 it's almost like you have to 00:15:12.94\00:15:14.41 rewrite your future 00:15:14.41\00:15:16.28 because you were looking 00:15:16.28\00:15:17.28 forward to spending 00:15:17.28\00:15:18.31 your future together." 00:15:18.31\00:15:19.35 So you have to change and, 00:15:19.35\00:15:21.58 you know, navigate a new future. 00:15:21.58\00:15:24.12 And then for those of us 00:15:24.79\00:15:26.59 who have lost parents, 00:15:26.59\00:15:28.66 it's like a part of your 00:15:28.66\00:15:30.66 past is gone, 00:15:30.66\00:15:32.23 you know, because they were 00:15:32.23\00:15:33.26 so much a part of your past. 00:15:33.26\00:15:35.63 But when you lose a child, 00:15:35.63\00:15:37.83 it's so painful because 00:15:37.83\00:15:40.37 now your future 00:15:40.37\00:15:42.20 and your past is gone, 00:15:42.20\00:15:43.77 you know? 00:15:43.77\00:15:45.04 And so it's very, very painful. 00:15:45.04\00:15:47.64 >> It's just not right. 00:15:47.64\00:15:50.11 It's not the way it was ever 00:15:50.11\00:15:51.68 designed to be. 00:15:51.68\00:15:52.71 >> Yeah, mm-hmmm. 00:15:52.71\00:15:54.85 But like you said, 00:15:54.85\00:15:55.88 we have hope that 00:15:55.88\00:15:58.85 we're gonna be together again. 00:15:58.85\00:16:01.12 >> Yeah. 00:16:01.12\00:16:01.79 So, René, those two statements, 00:16:01.79\00:16:04.63 "You've been praying for this. 00:16:04.63\00:16:06.03 Trust me, I've got this." 00:16:06.03\00:16:08.03 "If you have to say goodbye 00:16:09.40\00:16:10.67 for a little while, 00:16:10.67\00:16:11.73 but everything's gonna be okay. 00:16:11.73\00:16:13.03 Would that be okay?" 00:16:13.03\00:16:14.37 Those two things 00:16:14.37\00:16:15.37 go together to me, 00:16:15.37\00:16:17.01 telling me that God is saying... 00:16:17.01\00:16:18.81 "...I know what you're gonna 00:16:20.11\00:16:21.14 go through, but hang on. 00:16:21.14\00:16:22.74 I've got this. 00:16:22.74\00:16:23.75 Even if... 00:16:23.75\00:16:24.78 I've got this. 00:16:25.35\00:16:26.31 Everything is in My hands." 00:16:26.31\00:16:28.52 >> Thank you Bill, so... 00:16:31.92\00:16:33.32 ...in your book, 00:16:34.36\00:16:36.22 you speak about, 00:16:36.22\00:16:37.69 you know, when we 00:16:37.69\00:16:38.69 experience these losses 00:16:38.69\00:16:40.73 and on this wilderness journey, 00:16:40.73\00:16:42.70 there's some days that 00:16:42.70\00:16:44.47 are really dark 00:16:44.47\00:16:46.37 and some days are less dark, 00:16:46.37\00:16:48.34 and some days are good 00:16:48.34\00:16:50.41 and some days are not so good. 00:16:50.41\00:16:52.77 How did you navigate 00:16:52.77\00:16:54.98 all those changes, 00:16:54.98\00:16:56.31 the ups and downs 00:16:56.31\00:16:57.45 and the roller coaster? 00:16:57.45\00:16:58.98 >> Well, 00:17:00.75\00:17:02.22 René, for me, 00:17:02.22\00:17:03.89 understanding the big picture 00:17:03.89\00:17:06.82 of where... 00:17:06.82\00:17:07.86 ...God is and God's plan 00:17:09.29\00:17:11.16 for this world and the fact that 00:17:11.16\00:17:12.59 we're completely off track is 00:17:12.59\00:17:14.10 what keeps me grounded, 00:17:14.10\00:17:16.03 in that He had a plan, 00:17:16.03\00:17:17.93 and He has a plan, 00:17:17.93\00:17:20.37 and we're on a detour 00:17:20.37\00:17:22.00 of His original plan. 00:17:22.00\00:17:23.54 So many philosophical 00:17:26.84\00:17:29.58 or spiritual journeys 00:17:29.58\00:17:32.18 are a quest for 00:17:32.18\00:17:33.75 how to find God. 00:17:33.75\00:17:35.82 "I gotta do this. 00:17:35.82\00:17:37.12 I have to do this. 00:17:37.12\00:17:38.49 I have to go here. 00:17:38.49\00:17:39.72 I have to do these checklists, 00:17:39.72\00:17:42.46 so that I can find God," 00:17:42.46\00:17:44.63 whereas the Bible tells 00:17:44.63\00:17:46.09 the story of God coming 00:17:46.09\00:17:47.40 to find us 00:17:47.40\00:17:49.26 and to be with us. 00:17:49.26\00:17:50.60 In fact, the Bible says that 00:17:50.60\00:17:52.83 He became flesh and 00:17:52.83\00:17:54.54 dwelt among us. 00:17:54.54\00:17:55.57 Or in some more modern versions 00:17:55.57\00:17:58.34 of the Bible, it says 00:17:58.34\00:17:59.37 He made His home with us. 00:17:59.37\00:18:01.74 So He's telling us by that 00:18:02.51\00:18:04.38 that I know you're going through 00:18:04.38\00:18:06.48 hard times. 00:18:06.48\00:18:07.58 I know that there's grief. 00:18:07.58\00:18:09.38 I know this isn't the way 00:18:09.38\00:18:10.79 I wanted it or you want it, 00:18:10.79\00:18:13.05 but I'm not gonna let you 00:18:13.05\00:18:14.06 do it alone. 00:18:14.06\00:18:15.19 I'm gonna come and be with you. 00:18:15.19\00:18:17.66 So He came to this world 00:18:17.66\00:18:19.73 and He put on flesh, 00:18:19.73\00:18:21.03 and He walked among us, 00:18:21.03\00:18:22.10 and He got tired, and He got 00:18:22.10\00:18:23.53 sleepy, and He got hungry, 00:18:23.53\00:18:25.07 and He was bullied, 00:18:25.07\00:18:27.67 and He was... 00:18:27.67\00:18:28.97 ...harassed and 00:18:29.64\00:18:30.87 all the things that 00:18:30.87\00:18:32.61 go through life. 00:18:32.61\00:18:33.61 And His loved ones died. 00:18:33.61\00:18:36.41 And He saw friends that 00:18:36.41\00:18:38.71 their loved ones died 00:18:38.71\00:18:39.91 and He experienced death. 00:18:39.91\00:18:42.15 So He knows what we're 00:18:42.15\00:18:43.18 going through. 00:18:43.18\00:18:44.25 And He's saying, 00:18:44.25\00:18:45.92 "You're not gonna do this alone. 00:18:45.92\00:18:47.86 I'm here. 00:18:47.86\00:18:49.29 I'm with you. 00:18:49.29\00:18:50.29 I get it." 00:18:50.29\00:18:52.19 And... 00:18:52.19\00:18:53.16 ...He resurrected 00:18:53.63\00:18:55.50 some people. 00:18:55.50\00:18:56.63 Not everybody that died, 00:18:56.63\00:18:58.17 but He resurrected some. 00:18:58.17\00:19:00.04 Which tells us, 00:19:00.04\00:19:01.47 "I have the ability to do that. 00:19:01.47\00:19:04.04 So when I promise you 00:19:04.04\00:19:05.31 that your girl will come back," 00:19:05.31\00:19:07.41 He's not saying, 00:19:07.41\00:19:09.11 "You can hope that I'm 00:19:09.11\00:19:10.35 strong enough to do this." 00:19:10.35\00:19:11.58 He's already proved that 00:19:11.58\00:19:12.95 He is strong enough to do that. 00:19:12.95\00:19:15.32 And so 00:19:16.25\00:19:18.05 I journey through 00:19:18.05\00:19:20.36 this part of 00:19:20.36\00:19:21.96 our lives 00:19:21.96\00:19:23.76 with a courage and a strength 00:19:23.76\00:19:25.46 that Jesus identifies with me. 00:19:25.46\00:19:27.76 He's not asking me to come to 00:19:29.40\00:19:30.67 heaven and find Him, 00:19:30.67\00:19:31.77 He came from heaven to earth 00:19:31.77\00:19:33.67 to show Himself and to 00:19:33.67\00:19:36.27 give Himself and to say, 00:19:36.27\00:19:38.97 "Bill, trust Me, 00:19:38.97\00:19:40.28 I've got this." 00:19:40.28\00:19:42.01 That's what has given me 00:19:42.01\00:19:44.38 a strength beyond anything else. 00:19:44.38\00:19:46.68 And I think also 00:19:46.68\00:19:48.48 I've already 00:19:48.48\00:19:49.78 sort of touched on it, but 00:19:49.78\00:19:51.85 if we can step back from 00:19:51.85\00:19:54.36 the graveside of our loved ones 00:19:54.36\00:19:56.39 or the hospital bed of our 00:19:56.39\00:19:57.93 loved ones, and instead of 00:19:57.93\00:20:00.13 shaking our fist at God 00:20:00.13\00:20:01.53 and saying, "Why don't You 00:20:01.53\00:20:03.23 hear my prayer?" 00:20:03.23\00:20:06.17 step back one step and say, 00:20:06.17\00:20:08.07 "It's bigger than me. 00:20:08.07\00:20:09.80 It's bigger than my family. 00:20:09.80\00:20:12.07 It's bigger than my Kristen. 00:20:12.07\00:20:14.14 It's... 00:20:14.14\00:20:15.08 It's a world gone wrong. 00:20:15.78\00:20:18.11 It's a... 00:20:18.11\00:20:19.18 ...chaotic mess here. 00:20:20.38\00:20:22.38 And He's going to fix it." 00:20:22.38\00:20:25.19 So He told a parable of a... 00:20:25.19\00:20:27.46 ...a man who planted seeds 00:20:29.26\00:20:30.53 in his field, 00:20:30.53\00:20:31.89 and his friends came and said, 00:20:31.89\00:20:33.73 "I thought you planted 00:20:33.73\00:20:34.76 good seeds in your field." 00:20:34.76\00:20:35.80 "Well, I did." 00:20:35.80\00:20:37.20 "Well, there's weeds coming up." 00:20:37.20\00:20:39.70 And he said, 00:20:39.70\00:20:41.40 "An enemy did this." 00:20:41.40\00:20:42.80 So when He created the world, 00:20:44.21\00:20:45.64 He created it perfect, 00:20:45.64\00:20:46.81 He created it for... 00:20:46.81\00:20:48.28 ...for us to live forever, 00:20:49.24\00:20:50.91 to never see death, 00:20:50.91\00:20:52.01 to never see cancer, 00:20:52.01\00:20:53.95 to never see crash, 00:20:53.95\00:20:55.95 to never see any disease. 00:20:55.95\00:20:57.95 But an enemy came and deceived 00:20:59.65\00:21:01.82 and got us going on 00:21:01.82\00:21:03.53 the wrong direction. 00:21:03.53\00:21:06.06 And, so they said, "Well, 00:21:06.06\00:21:07.56 should we pull the weeds out?" 00:21:07.56\00:21:09.60 "No, let them grow 00:21:09.60\00:21:11.30 till the end, and in the end, 00:21:11.30\00:21:12.87 we're gonna put the weeds 00:21:12.87\00:21:13.97 in one place 00:21:13.97\00:21:14.97 and the wheat in another place, 00:21:14.97\00:21:16.94 and then everything will be 00:21:16.94\00:21:18.14 separated forever." 00:21:18.14\00:21:19.54 So I'm, we are, 00:21:20.68\00:21:23.24 all of us, 00:21:23.24\00:21:24.71 waiting for that day 00:21:24.71\00:21:26.45 when one day 00:21:26.45\00:21:27.45 it's going to be all over. 00:21:27.45\00:21:29.58 But in the meantime, 00:21:29.58\00:21:31.12 there may be another trip 00:21:31.12\00:21:32.82 to a graveyard. 00:21:32.82\00:21:34.16 There may be another trip 00:21:34.16\00:21:35.39 to a hospital. 00:21:35.39\00:21:36.52 We don't know, we don't know. 00:21:38.29\00:21:41.20 Our our greatest strength 00:21:41.20\00:21:43.23 would be to just to hang on 00:21:43.23\00:21:44.53 to the one who said, 00:21:44.53\00:21:46.20 "Trust Me, 00:21:46.20\00:21:47.60 I've got this." 00:21:47.60\00:21:49.20 That's what I think 00:21:49.20\00:21:50.67 the message for us that Jesus 00:21:50.67\00:21:53.17 wanted to bring to us is, 00:21:53.17\00:21:54.71 "I'm with you. 00:21:54.71\00:21:55.88 It's not easy. 00:21:55.88\00:21:57.68 There's gonna be tears. 00:21:57.68\00:21:59.11 I'm with you. 00:21:59.11\00:22:00.52 But one day 00:22:00.52\00:22:02.65 all tears will be wiped away." 00:22:02.65\00:22:04.52 And we just wait for that. 00:22:04.52\00:22:07.12 >> Thank you, Bill. 00:22:07.12\00:22:08.09 This grief and this 00:22:08.09\00:22:10.03 sorrow, it goes on, 00:22:10.03\00:22:12.59 and we're in this 00:22:12.59\00:22:13.63 wilderness experience. 00:22:13.63\00:22:15.10 Does it ever come to an end? 00:22:15.10\00:22:16.67 And when do we know 00:22:16.67\00:22:18.60 that it's come to an end? 00:22:18.60\00:22:20.04 >> Yeah. 00:22:20.04\00:22:21.37 My personal 00:22:21.37\00:22:22.34 wilderness journey... 00:22:22.34\00:22:23.54 ...I don't know 00:22:24.67\00:22:25.74 when it comes to an end. 00:22:25.74\00:22:26.81 I... 00:22:26.81\00:22:27.71 ...entered this, due to 00:22:28.51\00:22:30.25 experiences in my life, 00:22:30.25\00:22:31.55 I'm going, navigating not quite 00:22:31.55\00:22:34.05 the life I expected 00:22:34.05\00:22:35.22 and wanted, chose, 00:22:35.22\00:22:36.92 but by choices, 00:22:36.92\00:22:39.69 I ended up where 00:22:39.69\00:22:41.29 I'm learning these lessons that 00:22:41.29\00:22:43.46 I'm experiencing. 00:22:43.46\00:22:45.23 I don't know when that actually 00:22:45.23\00:22:46.83 ends, because I think that 00:22:46.83\00:22:48.13 we are all learning lessons 00:22:48.13\00:22:50.90 all the time 00:22:50.90\00:22:52.33 from everything that we... 00:22:52.33\00:22:53.94 ...experience. 00:22:55.77\00:22:57.17 Moses had a distinct end to his. 00:22:57.17\00:22:59.27 God came to him 00:22:59.27\00:23:00.31 at a burning bush and said, 00:23:00.31\00:23:02.11 "I have a job for you to do and 00:23:02.11\00:23:03.31 it's not here in the wilderness. 00:23:03.31\00:23:04.95 Go to Egypt." 00:23:04.95\00:23:06.11 And he... 00:23:06.11\00:23:07.25 ...wasn't sure that that was 00:23:08.25\00:23:09.45 what he wanted to do 00:23:09.45\00:23:10.45 at that point, but... 00:23:10.45\00:23:11.72 ...that was a distinct end 00:23:12.82\00:23:14.22 to his. 00:23:14.22\00:23:15.22 I'm not sure 00:23:15.22\00:23:16.59 where the distinct end 00:23:16.59\00:23:17.93 to my journey is, 00:23:17.93\00:23:19.73 but I know that for all of us, 00:23:19.73\00:23:21.26 for you, for your family, 00:23:21.26\00:23:22.86 for everyone watching, 00:23:22.86\00:23:24.80 for everyone in the world, 00:23:24.80\00:23:27.74 the wilderness of planet Earth 00:23:27.74\00:23:30.61 will come to an end. 00:23:30.61\00:23:31.77 Jesus promised that, "I will 00:23:31.77\00:23:34.24 come again and I will 00:23:34.24\00:23:36.01 receive you unto Myself." 00:23:36.01\00:23:38.08 And the Bible tells us 00:23:38.08\00:23:40.52 happily that 00:23:40.52\00:23:42.95 there is a new place, 00:23:42.95\00:23:44.79 a new future, 00:23:44.79\00:23:45.92 and we will put on immortality, 00:23:45.92\00:23:48.02 and we will live forever. 00:23:48.02\00:23:50.19 So we enter this 00:23:50.19\00:23:53.03 journey of 00:23:53.03\00:23:55.83 life on planet Earth 00:23:55.83\00:23:57.00 not being the way we wanted it, 00:23:57.00\00:23:59.37 but there is an end to that. 00:23:59.37\00:24:00.70 So that's the ultimate end 00:24:00.70\00:24:02.14 to it all. 00:24:02.14\00:24:03.27 I'd like to think that 00:24:03.27\00:24:04.34 there would be a day when we 00:24:04.34\00:24:05.37 get to a certain age where 00:24:05.37\00:24:07.01 all pain goes away. 00:24:07.01\00:24:09.78 But I am not sure that 00:24:09.78\00:24:11.48 that's realistic. 00:24:11.48\00:24:13.18 >> Thank you for that. 00:24:13.18\00:24:14.15 Any final thoughts 00:24:14.15\00:24:16.35 that you have for 00:24:16.35\00:24:17.95 our viewers 00:24:17.95\00:24:19.39 regarding those who may be 00:24:19.39\00:24:21.12 right now going through grief 00:24:21.12\00:24:22.86 and loss. 00:24:22.86\00:24:24.13 What would you say to them? 00:24:24.13\00:24:25.69 >> I would say two things. 00:24:25.69\00:24:27.46 Number one, God sees you. 00:24:27.46\00:24:29.26 He knows you. 00:24:30.33\00:24:31.33 He knows what you're 00:24:31.33\00:24:32.40 experiencing. 00:24:32.40\00:24:33.77 I like to say He knows your DNA, 00:24:33.77\00:24:36.37 and He knows your address, 00:24:36.37\00:24:38.47 and He knows your feelings, 00:24:38.47\00:24:39.71 and He knows your emotions. 00:24:39.71\00:24:42.44 And He says, "I get it." 00:24:42.44\00:24:44.58 I went there to be with you. 00:24:44.58\00:24:46.35 I journeyed 00:24:46.35\00:24:48.88 that journey with you, 00:24:48.88\00:24:50.39 and I'm still with you today." 00:24:50.39\00:24:52.39 That's one thing, 00:24:52.39\00:24:53.42 that you are not alone. 00:24:53.42\00:24:55.39 And then secondly, 00:24:55.39\00:24:56.73 "I have a plan," God says, 00:24:56.73\00:24:58.46 "I have a plan. 00:24:58.46\00:24:59.83 One day 00:24:59.83\00:25:01.03 it's all gonna be behind us, 00:25:01.03\00:25:02.60 and it'll be only the future, 00:25:02.60\00:25:04.20 and we'll look back and think, 00:25:04.20\00:25:06.77 "Well, here we are. 00:25:06.77\00:25:07.87 I guess that chapter is over 00:25:07.87\00:25:09.50 and this is the new one. 00:25:09.50\00:25:10.67 Let's continue and keep going." 00:25:10.67\00:25:13.04 So both ways, God gives us hope. 00:25:13.04\00:25:15.84 I'm with you 00:25:15.84\00:25:17.55 and it's going to get better. 00:25:17.55\00:25:19.85 >> Thank you. 00:25:19.85\00:25:21.25 >> Thank you so much 00:25:21.25\00:25:22.28 for that, Bill. 00:25:22.28\00:25:23.75 So we have come to 00:25:23.75\00:25:25.62 the end of our program 00:25:25.62\00:25:27.52 with you, but before we 00:25:27.52\00:25:29.49 let you go, I wonder if you 00:25:29.49\00:25:31.29 could pray for our viewers? 00:25:31.29\00:25:33.46 There may be someone 00:25:33.46\00:25:34.56 who is experiencing pain, 00:25:34.56\00:25:37.17 who is grieving a loss, who... 00:25:37.17\00:25:39.97 ...has a loved one that is sick 00:25:41.14\00:25:43.37 and that is not doing well. 00:25:43.37\00:25:44.97 So could you please 00:25:44.97\00:25:46.44 pray for them? 00:25:46.44\00:25:47.44 >> I will. 00:25:47.44\00:25:48.48 Father in heaven, thank You 00:25:48.48\00:25:49.88 so much that 00:25:49.88\00:25:51.58 when we go through dark moments, 00:25:51.58\00:25:54.05 wilderness valleys, 00:25:54.05\00:25:56.38 that we don't do it 00:25:56.38\00:25:58.42 by ourselves. 00:25:58.42\00:26:00.12 You are a God who loves to... 00:26:00.12\00:26:02.69 ...be with... 00:26:03.99\00:26:05.29 ...dwell among us, 00:26:06.46\00:26:08.13 experience what we experience... 00:26:08.13\00:26:10.37 ...and assure us that 00:26:11.80\00:26:13.23 we are not alone. 00:26:13.23\00:26:14.47 So to anyone today 00:26:14.47\00:26:16.50 who doesn't know how to get up 00:26:16.50\00:26:18.34 in the morning because of loss 00:26:18.34\00:26:19.94 and because of fear and 00:26:19.94\00:26:22.61 because of grief, 00:26:22.61\00:26:24.08 I just pray for a measure of 00:26:24.08\00:26:25.61 strength from Your hand to them 00:26:25.61\00:26:27.75 that they will be able to say, 00:26:27.75\00:26:30.15 "Even if it doesn't work out 00:26:30.15\00:26:32.65 or hasn't worked out 00:26:32.65\00:26:34.06 the way I want, 00:26:34.06\00:26:36.02 my hope is still in You 00:26:36.02\00:26:37.49 because You are the one that's 00:26:37.49\00:26:38.89 going to bring an end to this. 00:26:38.89\00:26:40.86 We pray, Father, that that day 00:26:40.86\00:26:42.33 would be sooner than later. 00:26:42.33\00:26:43.80 We are tired. 00:26:43.80\00:26:45.23 We are ready to be with You. 00:26:45.23\00:26:46.97 May it happen soon. 00:26:46.97\00:26:48.24 Thank You for the promise. 00:26:48.24\00:26:49.97 In Jesus' name, amen. 00:26:49.97\00:26:51.77 >> Amen, amen. 00:26:51.77\00:26:53.58 Bill, thank you once again 00:26:53.58\00:26:55.08 for joining us on 00:26:55.08\00:26:56.08 It Is Written Canada. 00:26:56.08\00:26:57.31 >> My pleasure to be here. 00:26:58.31\00:27:00.08 >> Friends, whenever life 00:27:03.25\00:27:04.92 doesn't make sense or you're 00:27:04.92\00:27:06.76 feeling down and discouraged 00:27:06.76\00:27:09.12 or even overwhelmed with grief, 00:27:09.12\00:27:11.86 we recommend and you pick 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