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>> Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada.
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Thank you for joining us.
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When the heart wanders away from
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God, the enemy of our souls is
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quick to tell us that there is
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no way back.
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He reminds us and whispers our
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failures into our souls
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with repetition, attempting to
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make us believe that God's grace
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is not sufficient to forgive.
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>> Even when we have known
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Jesus, we sometimes need a
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fresh look at His grace and a
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new appreciation of His love
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for us, even when
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we have made a total
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shipwreck of our lives.
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God has given us His Son
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as a Saviour from all sin.
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And He wants to assure us that
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we qualify for His grace,
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regardless of where our choices
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have taken us.
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>> Today on It Is Written
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Canada, our special guest is
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Pastor Bill Spangler, who has
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led churches in the maritime
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provinces, British Columbia,
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and Alberta, retiring from
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ministry in 2020.
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He has a Bachelor's of Theology,
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a Masters of Divinity degree,
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and has trained
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and is certified
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as a family mediator
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and life coach.
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[MIKE] Bill is married to Gwen
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Yasako and they are parents
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to two daughters and enjoy
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two grandchildren.
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Bill is the author of the book,
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Lessons From the Wilderness,
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a catalogue of life lessons
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that are useful to
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anyone seeking personal growth
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and skills for making
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relationships work.
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>> Bill, welcome to It Is
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Written Canada.
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>> It's great to be here.
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I'm enjoying the experience of
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spending some time with you.
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>> Bill, in your book, Lessons
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From the Wilderness: Find Your
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Way Home and Finish Well, one of
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the best chapters for me
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actually, was right near the end
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where we're talking about
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getting to know Jesus for the
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first time.
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>> Well, I was fortunate, and I
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say that with all sincerity, to
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be brought up in a home that
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taught me about Jesus from
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before the time I can remember.
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I have not ever known a time
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when I didn't go to church,
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and there was never a time
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that I didn't
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learn the children's songs.
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I grew up knowing "Jesus loves
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me, this, I know,
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for the Bible tells me so."
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And I was fortunate enough to
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also be able to go to a school
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that not only taught
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the basics of education,
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read and write and arithmetic,
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but it also taught the Bible.
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And so I progressed in life
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and got into my high school and
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teenage years and
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decided that I wanted
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to be a pastor.
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The journey from that decision
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to the time that I actually
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became a pastor took a detour.
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I decided that maybe that wasn't
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what I wanted to do, but I'd
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like to be a Bible teacher,
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do different things.
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And I decided I would take
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maybe psychology and...
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It all had to do with people
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and so forth, but then...
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...after I was married,
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actually, I was taking courses
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to- in education and...
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...I just thought, "This isn't
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me, I'm not enjoying this.
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This is not where my heart is."
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And I sat with my wife and I
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told her I wanted to be
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a pastor.
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Which kind of came in the back
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door, that, because she had
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always said she would never
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marry a pastor, so it was too
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late, she was married, but...
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We were studying in
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California, she was taking
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nursing.
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And we came back to Canada and I
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finished my degree
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at Burman University and
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then went to pastor churches in
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the Maritime Conference in
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Nova Scotia and New Brunswick
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and Prince Edward Island.
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I got to be the only Adventist
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pastor on Prince Edward Island,
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which was kind of a unique- I
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had a whole province to myself.
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But the journey was great.
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I preached a lot, I
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did Bible studies with people,
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I opened the Bible to people,
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I told people about Jesus.
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Felt that I was very
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knowledgeable.
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I preached, I wrote articles,
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I...
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Yeah.
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I read, I read a lot of
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information about Him,
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commentary.
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I loved reading about Jesus.
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I was very comfortable with Him.
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I had my moments
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when I was very...
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...passionate and alive.
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It was a good experience for me
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right from the beginning.
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>> So what changed your
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picture of Jesus then?
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>> The reason I wrote the book
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is because my life took a turn
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due to poor choices on my part.
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I was having this journey,
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I was a pastor,
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but unfortunately, I made
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very poor choices and
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became involved in a
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relationship outside of
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my marriage.
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And when that all crashed around
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me and everything changed,
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that's what changed for me and I
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began to realize that
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my relationship with Jesus had
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some things that I needed to
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sort out and work with.
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And I call the book "Lessons
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From the Wilderness" because I
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equate my journey with
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that of Moses, who...
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...was going along in life,
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everything was working good for
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him and then he...
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...committed murder of that man
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in Egypt, and Pharaoh found out
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about it, and that was his
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greatest fear and so he fled
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into the wilderness.
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So my life was going along very
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good and then suddenly
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it wasn't.
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And I wasn't alone, but in my
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mind, I was very much alone.
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I was in places that I had never
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been before.
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And so I often think about
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Moses, and I think about him
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going into that wilderness
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going into that wilderness
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for 40 years.
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And I think about what did he
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learn in those 40 years that
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when God came to him again at
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the burning bush and said,
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"I have a job for you to do,"
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Moses said, "Not me.
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I'm not the guy.
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I don't know who to tell them
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I'm talking to out here.
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I don't know what to say.
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They're not gonna believe me..."
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You know, he was just a
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work of excuses.
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The story, I think, is God
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probably said, "Okay, now I can
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work with this guy."
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Before he was
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sure of himself, he was
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maybe even arrogant,
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take matters into his own hands
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kind of guy.
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So I wonder, what did he learn
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out there in the wilderness?
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And I like to equate
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my journey with that thought.
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My life took this turn.
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Suddenly, I was very
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alone in my world.
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I wanted to be alone.
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I didn't wanna be with people.
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I was embarrassed, ashamed.
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And...
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...I just wanted to
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get through another day.
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Get through another day, get
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through another day.
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And all my theology
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sort of was on the side.
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I was just...
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...getting through
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and working my way.
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So wilderness is a
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really great...
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...metaphor for my journey.
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>> So, Bill, where was the
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transition point and how did
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that come about?
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How did that change come about?
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>> Well, as I said,
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I realized that
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I knew a lot about Jesus,
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and now I was really grinding,
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working to understand
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Him personally more than
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just a theory.
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And I had, through my journey,
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met a man named Bill Liversedge.
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Pretty common name for
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many people.
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We had done some work together,
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we had- I had been through two
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or three seminars with him,
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and his seminars are always
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interactive and
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searching the Bible and
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I appreciated him very much
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and...
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So...
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...it was probably a few years
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into this journey, I don't
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remember exactly when, but I got
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thinking about him and so I
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contacted him.
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Hadn't talked to him for years.
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And I called him
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and I said,
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"I don't know if you
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know anything about my life,
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but it's changed drastically
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and...
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...just thought I'd touch base
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with you."
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I knew him to be a man of grace
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and a man of encouragement
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and...
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And he actually said,
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"Bill, I'm going to be
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in Vancouver on vacation."
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And so I said, "I'll come
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and see you."
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So I took a flight over to
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Vancouver and went to the house
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where he was staying, he was
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housesitting for someone and...
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And he welcomed me in with open
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arms and we sat out on the back
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deck and it was a sunny
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afternoon.
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I still remember the setting.
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It was beautiful.
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And so we're on this back deck
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and we're chatting about his
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life and his journey because his
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life hasn't been easy either.
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There's been challenges through
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some of his journey, and we're
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just having a good talk.
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And then it came around to
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my story and why I'm in the
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wilderness and this journey in
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the wilderness.
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So he said, "I have a question
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for you," and Bill never did
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anything without
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it coming from the Bible.
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So he asked me to read a passage
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in the Bible, and I actually
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wanna read it.
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It was in Romans chapter 5...
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...and verses 6 to 10.
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And he said, "Bill, I want you
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to read that passage, and I want
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you to tell me
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the four
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human conditions listed there
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that Jesus died for.
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So two of them are right there.
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Other versions say "weak"
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and then "ungodly."
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Verse 8 says...
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So without strength,
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ungodly, sinners.
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And then in verse 10 it says...
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So without strength,
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ungodly, sinners.
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So then he said, "So here's my
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question for you.
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If it- if Jesus died for those
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without strength,
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ungodly, sinners, and enemies...
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...if those are the people He
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died for, Bill," he looked me
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square in the eye, he said,
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"Do you qualify?"
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"Do I qualify?" I thought
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to myself.
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"Yeah, I do.
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I absolutely qualify."
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And that word, "qualifying..."
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...put it into a whole
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new category.
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It wasn't like...
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"...If you do this,
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if you get this good, if you
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change your life, if you pull
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yourself together,
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then I'll save you."
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It was "While you were without
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strength and ungodly and sinners
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and enemies.
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That's who I died for.
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Do you qualify?"
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Yeah, I already qualify.
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It was like...
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...okay, I know about this
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Jesus, but suddenly He was
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speaking to me and saying,
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"Bill, I got you in my sights.
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You're in My focus.
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That's who I came...
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If you're feeling guilty about
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that, that's what qualifies you
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to be with Me.
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That's who I came to
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see, to save, to rescue."
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And all of a sudden
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I want to qualify.
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It was like, I want to
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acknowledge that I'm one or
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all of these things.
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Suddenly, rather than thinking
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about the fact of everything
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that was broken about me
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to the place of this is what
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qualifies you to belong to
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Jesus, it really was like
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getting to know Jesus again for
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the very first time.
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It was that life changing.
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I left his home.
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We talked a bit more and then we
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went out to eat and then I went
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back to the airport
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and flew home.
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I flew out and back
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in the same day.
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But I went home a radically
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changed person.
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The second part of that
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conversation was the
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idea that...
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...all of these things are in...
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...past tense.
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"That while you were...
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While you were,
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while you were these things."
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It wasn't "When you got over
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becoming one of these things or
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all of these things, that's when
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I came to die for you."
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It was "While you were."
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And he finished the
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conversation by saying...
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"...Bill, at the end
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of the day...
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...when you pray and you talk to
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God about your day...
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...this tells us that we don't
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have to come to Him and say,
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"Please forgive me for being
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who I was today.
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Please forgive me for
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being a sinner.
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Please forgive me for
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all of the things that
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I don't like about myself."
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Rather, read those texts and
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come to Him and say,
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"Thank You that
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You already died for me
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while I was ungodly today,
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while I was an enemy of Yours
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today.
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Maybe the way I spoke, maybe the
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way I acted, maybe something..."
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While I was those things,
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You already died for me.
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Thank You for...
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...including someone such as me
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and that I actually do qualify.
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It was absolutely life changing.
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It wasn't just a big moment.
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That was- that changed the
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trajectory of my understanding
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and my belief in Jesus
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and my appreciation of Jesus.
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And I have preached that sermon
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many times since that day.
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>> So, Bill, it sounds like when
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you went to go visit your
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friend, you were filled maybe
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with fear and guilt
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and shame
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about what you had done.
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And yet, after spending that
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time with him, with him giving
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you that promise in the Bible,
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and you really claimed that
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promise, you were changed
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because you realized you didn't
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have to carry that guilt
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and that shame, because Jesus
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loves you so much.
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>> Absolutely.
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It was...
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[RENÉ] That's beautiful.
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>> It was like...
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Before it was like questioning,
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I know God loves, I know Jesus
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loves, but I don't know if He
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can love someone like me.
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You know, it's actually kind of
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an arrogant thing to think that
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I could out sin the grace
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of Jesus.
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But that's where the mind,
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that's where the human
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mind goes.
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We have an enemy that sits on
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our shoulders and whispers in
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our ear, "Don't forget..."
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"Remember when..."
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"But you..."
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You know, all those things that
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the enemy likes to whisper.
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And if we don't have a clear
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picture of Jesus, we can get
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worn down and beaten down.
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And I know that there's people
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today probably watching who are
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struggling with, yeah, Jesus
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loves sinners, but, yeah, He
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didn't ever meet one like me.
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That's so guided by the enemy,
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that thought, that Jesus is sad
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when we can't trust His grace
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that much.
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>> So I think of Moses again,
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that your journey in the
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wilderness, like Moses, he was
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running away, and he thought he
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had to deal with his sin by
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being away from people.
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"I should never talk again.
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I should, you know, I should
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never be a leader again.
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I should never
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think of myself as being
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anything ever again
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because of my sin."
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And so we go into that
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wilderness, and then all of a
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sudden, Jesus is there.
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He's in the wilderness and He
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calls Moses, and He's like...
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"...I want you to be My leader.
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I want you to speak.
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I'm here for you."
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>> Right.
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It's like He says to us...
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"...Hey, come over here.
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I know you're hurting, I know
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you're afraid, I know you feel
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whatever you feel.
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But that's why I came.
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I know how you feel.
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I know what you need.
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That's why I came from heaven
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to this earth.
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You qualify.
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You're the reason I got here."
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And, when we can accept that
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truth about Jesus...
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...it can't help but transform
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our hearts and our thinking.
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So...
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...Bill Liversedge passed away,
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he's not here anymore, but I
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think about him all the time and
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what he taught me that day.
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And I have,
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I preached that sermon within
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the last 3 or 4 months, I-
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because I can't get away
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from it.
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I can't forget the truth of,
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"Bill, do you qualify?"
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>> Can you tell us what you did
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with the impact of Bill's story,
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how Bill really changed
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your life?
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>> So yeah, as I've explained,
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the fact that he brought it
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really clear to me that...
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...I qualify for the
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grace of Jesus,
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then I began to realize that
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life goes on.
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And what now?
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So there's a chapter in my life
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that I can't rewrite.
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I wish I could, but I cannot.
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So it's there.
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However, that's not the end of
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the book that's not the end of
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the story.
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If you read a book about
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a hero or a heroine and they're
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going along and then suddenly
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life really goes sour or
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they really a mess up or
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whatever, we don't throw the
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book in the corner and say,
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"Well, I'm not finishing that
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book," we wanna find out
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what happens.
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Where do we go from there?
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So I thought about that and I
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thought, "I get to write the
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rest of the story.
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I can't change chapter whatever
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in my life, but I get to write
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the rest of the story."
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Part of that is the story
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I tell myself.
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Do I tell myself what a failure
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I am, what a loser I am, what a
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sinner I am?
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Or do I tell myself
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that I qualify for Jesus
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to love me, I qualify for His
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salvation, therefore,
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with that truth
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deep in my heart,
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where do I go with that?
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And I decided that that was the
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work of the rest of my life, to
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write the new story
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and to put things
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into my life that
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I could be proud of, that I
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could be courageous about,
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that I could
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grow from, that I could
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help other people.
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I've learned this in my life,
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that we connect in our
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brokenness.
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We don't connect in our
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strength, we connect in our
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brokenness.
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If you were to sit here and tell
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me the deepest, darkest secrets
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of your life,
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I could say,
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"I've been there.
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I know.
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I understand," and we could talk
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for a long time.
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But if I tell you my story and
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then you tell me about how
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victorious you've been and how
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wonderful life has been for you
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and "I don't sin at all and I
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never have and I don't have a
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chapter in my life..."
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there's nothing to connect with.
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We connect in our brokenness.
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And so that's why
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I want to use
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my experience
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to help others journey on, too.
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It's about how we finish.
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So the book says "Find your way
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home and finish well."
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We can finish well as we write
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the new story, as we tell
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ourselves the new story that...
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...that was, this is, let's go
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from here.
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And isn't that what Jesus wants?
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I mean, He said to people
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all along the way, the man that
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was let down through the roof,
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"Your sins are forgiven.
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Go and sin no more.
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Go home and finish well,"
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is what He was saying.
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The lady that they brought
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to Him, you know, "I don't
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condemn you.
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Go, sin no more."
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He wants us to
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finish well, to find our way
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to a place of peace and enjoy
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that and build.
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And He doesn't look at the past.
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I have a buddy who says, "I've
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given up all hope of having a
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better past."
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And I think there's such truth
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to that story.
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How many people beat themselves
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up over their past that they can
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do nothing about when the future
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is unfolding, day by day by day,
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and we're messing up the days
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in the present and the future
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because we're stuck thinking
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about the past
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and there.
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So writing a new story is the
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impact that that day with Bill
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Liversedge had for me to
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realize that the next day
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is the important one.
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>> So I think of an hourglass
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and the sands going down and the
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ones that are at the bottom,
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that's the past.
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And if you wanna live in that
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part of the hourglass, fine.
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But you also have the ones
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that are on the top
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that are going through.
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And so we don't wanna get stuck
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at the bottom.
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We wanna continue living in...
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>> So many people are caught up
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in stirring the past, stirring
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the sand in the bottom that's
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already gone through and they
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can do nothing about.
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It's part of the victim
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mentality that some people have.
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It's part of beating themselves
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up, feeling like if I beat
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myself up long enough, then I'll
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exonerate myself somehow.
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But there's no value in that.
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It's written, it's done,
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it's complete, it's finished.
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Now, the part that's coming
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through the centre of the
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hourglass, that's the important
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thing here.
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This is where Jesus wants to
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remind us of who we are in Him,
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and why we are important to Him
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and that I came for you.
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Do you qualify?
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Great. Let's build the future.
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Let's go after what's still
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coming.
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>> So how many times does a just
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man fall according to the Bible?
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Some people say, "Well, a just
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man never falls because
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he's just."
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But the Bible says a just man
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falls seven times.
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And that number seven is a
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number of perfection.
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So he falls a perfect number of
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falls... [laughs]
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[BILL] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> But what does he do?
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He rises up again.
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So when Jesus says, "Go and sin
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no more," He's saying,
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"I'm commanding you, but I'm
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gonna enable you.
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So when I ask you to do
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something, I'm not allowing you
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to do this on your own.
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I'm with you.
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I'm gonna hold you up.
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And every time you fall,
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I'm there.
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You're gonna rise up again."
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But it says that the wicked fall
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into mischief.
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They stay down.
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They just keep getting deeper
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and deeper.
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So He doesn't want us to stay
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down, He wants us to get up,
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to rise up again.
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And only by His strength.
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Because Jesus is our
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righteousness, He's the
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just man.
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[BILL] Only by His strength.
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Exactly.
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John Maxwell wrote a book called
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“Failing Forward.”
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When we fall, can we grow from
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that fall and build from there
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and move on?
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That's what God wants.
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>> Thank you so much, Bill.
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We've come to the end of our
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time together.
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I wonder if you could pray.
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I'm sure there are people who
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are listening who are saying,
00:25:35.83\00:25:37.23
"Hey, I resonate with that.
00:25:37.23\00:25:38.93
I have fallen.
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The truth is, I qualify and I
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wanna tell myself that truth and
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not live in a place of despair
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where I just stay down.
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I don't wanna live in the past.
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I wanna live with Jesus now,"
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because He said, I am, not I
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was, not I will be, I don't have
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to live in the future, but live
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with Him right now in the
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present and be with Him and
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experience and tell yourself
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the truth about that.
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>> Good, let's pray.
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God in heaven, thank You so much
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for the truth about Jesus
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for the truth about Jesus
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who came to this earth
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to save people who
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need Him, people who qualify,
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ungodly without strength,
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enemies and sinners.
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May we find the joy and the
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strength and the courage to move
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on from that place and write
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the rest of this story
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in honour of Jesus and
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His love for us.
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In His name we pray, amen.
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[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen.
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>> Bill, thank you so much for
00:26:36.89\00:26:38.49
joining us on It Is Written
00:26:38.49\00:26:40.13
Canada once again.
00:26:40.13\00:26:41.50
>> Great to be here.
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Thank you.
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>> Wherever you find yourself on
00:26:45.13\00:26:47.00
your spiritual journey, whether
00:26:47.00\00:26:48.57
you are just testing the waters
00:26:48.57\00:26:51.37
of belief in the God of the
00:26:51.37\00:26:53.78
Bible or a long time
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churchgoer, our free offer,
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Daring To Ask For More, will
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inspire and challenge you to a
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life of faith and purpose.
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>> Not only will daring to ask
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for more challenge you to pray
00:27:09.16\00:27:11.23
as you've never prayed before,
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but it will give you extremely
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practical tools and specific
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pointers on how to develop the
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spiritual discipline needed
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as you open your heart to Jesus
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more intimately each and
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every day.
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>> Before you go, we would like
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for so many decades.
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>> Friends, if you want the kind
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of peace and freedom that
00:28:10.82\00:28:12.22
Pastor Bill Spangler
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experienced, we recommend that
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you open the Bible, God's Word,
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where it is recorded that Jesus
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found His assurance to defeat
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the Devil through the word of
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His Father when He declared...
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[uplifting music]
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