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>> Hello and welcome to It Is
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Written Canada.
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Thank you for joining us.
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According to the World Health
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Organization, Canadians drink
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more alcohol than the
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global average.
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According to Statistics Canada,
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during the pandemic, many
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Canadians consumed even
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more alcohol.
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The common perception is that
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too much alcohol is bad for you,
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but in moderation, it's healthy.
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>> With us on It Is Written
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Canada today to help us
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explore this critical topic
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is Dr. George Cho.
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Dr. Cho is a licensed
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naturopathic doctor who is the
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lead clinician at the nonprofit
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Paradise Health Clinic in
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Newmarket, Ontario.
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Dr. George Cho focuses on
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treating chronic health
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conditions, using lifestyle
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medicine, fitness assessments,
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and athletic performance.
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He has experience with fitness
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testing at the NHL,
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with the Toronto Professional
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Football Club and firefighters
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and police officers.
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Dr. Cho is a member of the
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American College of Lifestyle
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Medicine and the Canadian
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Society for Exercise Physiology.
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His practice focus is on
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lifestyle medicine.
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>> Dr. George Cho, welcome to
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It Is Written Canada.
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>> Thank you for having me.
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It's good to be back.
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>> So, George, when we talk
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about alcohol
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in Canada,
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how does how does Canada rate
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throughout the world?
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>> Very high.
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So...we're...
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We drink on average
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more than the Americans.
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And we're pretty much similar to
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many northern European countries
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where their levels of very high
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as well.
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I believe it's up to around 80%
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of Canadian men, or maybe even
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higher, drink alcohol.
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And I believe it's about 70 or
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more percent of women,
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Canadian women, drink alcohol.
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So it's pretty...
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We're high.
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We're on the higher end of
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the global alcohol drinking
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kind of spectrum.
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>> That's very high, 80% for men
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and 70, over 70% for women.
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That's huge.
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[DR. CHO] Yeah.
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>> Dr. Cho, the assumption is
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that too much alcohol is
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bad for you, but in moderation,
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it's healthy.
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What are your views?
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>> So the question is really
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what is moderate
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alcohol consumption?
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What do we mean by that?
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And when we say, like, healthy
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is kind of a broad term.
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So when someone says alcohol in
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moderation is healthy, what do
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you mean by healthy?
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The World Health Organization
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classifies alcohol as a
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Group 1 carcinogen.
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So it's the highest level.
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It's a definite known
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carcinogen.
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It causes cancer.
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Recent studies have published
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in, for example, the Lancet
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Journal has, they basically, the
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researchers conclude that when
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it comes to cancer risk, there
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is no safe level.
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The safest level is zero.
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So when you say, when people say
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moderate alcohol consumption is
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healthy, what do you mean
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by that?
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Because even the top journals
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are saying that...
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...there is no safe level of
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alcohol consumption
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when it comes to cancer.
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So when it comes to alcohol
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consumption, there's just too
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much health risks associated
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with it.
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>> So it causes cancer,
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we know that from the research.
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Are there other health effects
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to drinking?
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>> Yeah.
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So I like the way that a
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researcher from CAMH put it,
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he says alcohol is a
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cardiotoxic, hepatotoxic,
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neurotoxic drug, right?
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So basically alcohol causes
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direct damage to the brain,
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it destroys nerve cells,
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it causes damage to the liver,
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it's a hepatotoxin.
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It's also a cardiotoxin.
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And we could talk about the
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health effects on the heart
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later, but it causes, it's toxic
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to the heart as well.
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And it causes other problems,
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like, for example, it causes
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leaky gut.
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So alcohol damages the gut
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lining so it makes the gut leaky
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so stuff gets through the gut
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wall which causes inflammation
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in the body.
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Alcohol has, it's...
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pretty much it has,
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it damages the body in so
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many ways.
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>> Dr. George, you're advocating
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for zero alcohol.
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But didn't the Canadian 2023
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guidelines suggest that two per
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week is okay?
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>> Okay.
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So first of all, it doesn't say
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“okay,” it says two drinks per
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week is low risk.
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In fact, in their, in the
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document that they published,
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they say any level of alcohol
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is associated with risk.
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It's just what level of risk.
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So to say that
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the new Canadian guidelines
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suggest that two is
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healthy or okay, that's
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actually, that'd be a gross
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misunderstanding of that.
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It says it's low risk.
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Now, people have to understand
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something, in 2011, they
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released the guidelines.
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So about a dec-- you know,
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ten or so years ago.
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And in those guidelines,
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they said two drinks
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per day for men,
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one drink per day approximately
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for women, up to about
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15 drinks per week
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for men and a little
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bit less for women.
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Now, a little more than a decade
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later, they dropped it all the
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way down from 15 to 2,
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regardless of your sex.
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So for both men and women,
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it's now, it's just two.
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So people have to really, you
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have to really ask yourself, how
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do they get from 15 and, like,
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12 or 13 down to two in just a
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matter of a decade, which is not
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very long in terms of research
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when it comes to research time.
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So that tells you something that
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the more that research is coming
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out, it's just suggesting that
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alcohol is actually worse for
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you than we've thought
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previously, right?
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So, and like I said, the wording
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that they use now is "low risk,"
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is not "no risk."
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They say any level of alcohol
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consumption is associated with
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some risk.
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It's just a matter of degrees.
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Which is true.
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I mean, if you drink more,
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there's more risk.
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It's also important to point out
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that the past guidelines from
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2011, the 15 drinks, is now
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considered high risk.
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So the previous guidelines for
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Canadians just a little bit more
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than a decade ago put Canadians
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at high risk of negative health
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effects from alcohol.
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So that tells you all you really
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need to know about
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alcohol consumption.
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It's not healthy.
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Any level of consumption is
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associated with risk.
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There's low and there's high
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risk, which is true.
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But to say that two drinks per
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day-- per week is okay,
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that's not true, that's a
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misunderstanding.
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Yeah.
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>> So let's talk about red wine,
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because some people think, oh,
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red wine is safe and it's good
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for the heart.
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>> Yeah, so in the new...
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...guidelines that they
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published, they specifically
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say, "Alcohol is not good
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for the heart."
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So they actually tackle this
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whole understanding that
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people had that
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red wine or alcohol is
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good for the heart.
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They actually tackle it head on
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and they specifically say,
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"It is not good for the heart."
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Yeah.
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Studies have shown that
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alcohol might lower the risk of,
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like, slightly lower the risk
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of, like, getting a-- of dying
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from a heart attack, but also
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increases the risk of dying from
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hypertensive disease, stroke,
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and other cardiovascular issues.
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So you might lower the risk a
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little bit or dying from a heart
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attack, I think it's like 6% or
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so, but then you dramatically
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increase the risk of other
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cardiovascular issues, because
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remember, the cardiovascular
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system includes the
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cardiovascular system in the
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brain and it's just
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all over the body.
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It's not just the heart, right,
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it's all over.
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The cardiovascular system is
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spread out everywhere.
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And you look at, as a whole,
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it actually is not good
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for the heart.
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And so alcohol is a cardiotoxin,
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it can cause damage
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to the heart.
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So do you want to drink alcohol
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hoping to lower the risk of--
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slightly lower the risk of dying
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from a heart attack, while
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increasing the risk of all these
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other health issues?
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To me, that doesn't make sense.
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So it's not true that alcohol is
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good for the heart.
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That's a major misunderstanding.
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Yeah, and more and more research
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is now proving that
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to be the case.
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In fact, like I said, the new
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guidelines explicitly state
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it is not good for the heart.
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So, yeah.
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>> And, Dr. George Cho,
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in the...
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...study for the Blue Zones,
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it mentions over there that
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drinking wine is actually good
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and helps with longevity.
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[DR. CHO] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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So, Dan Buettner,
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he was looking at the different
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Blue Zones populations, he...
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...and these are groups of
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centenarians who live
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a long life.
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And he basically looked at the
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health patterns that they, the
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lifestyle patterns that they
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typically seem to practice.
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And he created what's called the
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Power Nine, which is basically
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these lifestyle principles.
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So, like, plant-based eating,
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exercising, social connections,
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spirituality, stuff like that.
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Now, including in that, he
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included wine, drinking red
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wine, which is very curious
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because-- which is very, I
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think, unfortunate, because the
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other lifestyle practices that
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he talks about, pretty much all
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the different blues, the five
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Blue Zones, they practice it.
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But when it comes to wine, one
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of the Blues Zones actually does
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not practice it.
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The Loma Linda Blue Zone,
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the Seventh-day Adventists.
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Seventh-day Adventists typically
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do not drink alcohol.
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In fact, they take a very, very
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strong stance against alcohol.
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In fact, to even join the
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church, you had to abstain from
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alcohol to even join the church.
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So drinking wine is not part of
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the Loma Linda Blue Zone.
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So I'm-- so it puzzles me a
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little bit whenever I...
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...see that, see why he would
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include that
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into his
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Power Nine of these lifestyle
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habits that these Blue Zone
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centenarians practice because
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one of them, one of the
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Blue Zones doesn't practice it.
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Now, it's true that the
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Sardinians that he looked at,
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like, they drink wine and I
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think that's kind of where he
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gets that idea, from the
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Sardinians and the Ikarians and
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so forth.
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But what I would say is that
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likely these individuals
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probably are living a long life
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despite, like, in spite
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of the alcohol,
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not really because of it,
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you see?
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So it's like some people, they
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can live their whole life
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smoking and they don't get lung
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cancer, right?
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It doesn't mean that the smoking
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contributed to their longevity,
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it just means that they just
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weren't-- they were like the
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rare exception to the
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general rule.
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So these individuals, we know
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that these Blue Zone
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centenarians are practising a
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lot of good lifestyle habits,
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so perhaps it's maybe negating a
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little bit of the alcohol
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consumption that they're doing,
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right, so...
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But we can't ignore the research
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though, which is suggesting that
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alcohol is really not that good
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for you, so...
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So these other lifestyle habits
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are probably helping these
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individuals in spite of the fact
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that they're drinking.
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But I think it's very
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unfortunate that he included
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alcohol into his Power Nine
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when one of the Blues Zones
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doesn't even practice it at all.
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>> Couldn't there be something
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in the grapes that is
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also good for the heart?
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I've heard this, that there's
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something called resveratrol
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inside the grapes?
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>> Yeah, it's not just
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resveratrol, it's all the other
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antioxidants that
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grapes have, right?
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So, and likely that's probably
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what's beneficial for, like, for
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the heart, you know, people
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say wine is good for the heart.
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It's probably just the other
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plant chemicals, the
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phytochemicals that wine, grapes
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have, right, the grapes have
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that's promoting good health,
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right?
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So you don't need to drink
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alcohol for that, you can just
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get it from eating fruits and
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vegetables and whole grains and
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things like that.
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So you get all the benefits
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without the, potentially the
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addiction and all the other
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issues that come with
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alcohol consumption.
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Yeah.
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>> But after all, Jesus turned
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water into wine.
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>> In the Bible and says,
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"wine," I think people
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automatically assume that's
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alcoholic.
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And I think this is where the
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original Greek kind of helps us.
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So, for example, like, in the
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Bible, in some versions it says
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"meat," but when you actually
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look it's, "meat" is actually
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referring to, could be, like,
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flesh of animals or it could
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just mean food, right?
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So you have to look at the kind
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of the original language to kind
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of tease that out, but when they
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translate to English, it said,
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they just use the word, "meat."
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And right now we understand meat
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as the flesh of animals.
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And so we assume that it could
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be meat, but when actually it
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could be food.
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It's the same with in the Bible
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when it talks about wine.
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There's a lot of different
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Hebrew words for it and also the
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Greek word, which is "oinos,"
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could actually refer to
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nonalcoholic or alcoholic
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beverages.
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So people back in the day, just
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like us now, they drank grape
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juice and they also had
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alcoholic beverages.
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But right now, we have different
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words for that.
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The Greek, in the Greek, it
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was-- they used the same word.
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So basically when people look at
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the story of Jesus turning the
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water into wine, basically
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automatically they assume
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that it must be the alcoholic
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beverage probably because they
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want it as an excuse to
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drink it.
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But that's-- we can't make that
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assumption.
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So, yeah.
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>> And Jesus was a healer.
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So is He going to cause brain
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damage, right, by making
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something intentionally...
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[DR. CHO] Correct.
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I think this is where, like, if
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you look at the whole Bible and
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you look at what the Bible says
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as a whole regarding alcohol,
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it doesn't say good things about
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it, you know, so...
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And the stories where people are
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consuming alcohol in the Bible,
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like Noah, Lot, what David tried
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to do with Uriah and
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these examples,
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it's all negative, you know?
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And in fact, I believe that the
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priests, the Nazarites, they
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were told not to drink alcohol
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and-- because the Bible, these
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people knew the-- that it could
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cloud your judgment,
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things like that, right?
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So I tend to believe that Jesus
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probably wasn't providing
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alcoholic beverages.
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He was providing probably the
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unfermented grape juice.
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>> Because that is a definite
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possible interpretation there
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and a very likely
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interpretation.
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Especially if you go back and
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see where God says to Samson's
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parents, "Don't drink alcohol."
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[DR. CHO] Exactly, yeah.
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>> He talked to
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John the Baptist's parents,
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"Don't drink alc--" he was not
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supposed to drink alcohol
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throughout his life, and an
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elder of the church is not
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supposed to drink alcohol.
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So there's all of these
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guidelines that are telling us
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that it's just not good to drink
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alcohol at all or even touch it
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or even look at the wine in the
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glass when it's turning.
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So what about when Paul talks to
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Timothy and he says a little
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wine is good for the stomach?
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What is he saying there?
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>> Well, again, like, I think
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he's talking about medicinal
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use, so maybe back in the day
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they thought that there was some
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medicinal use of alcohol maybe
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for the stomach, right?
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But this is medicinal.
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So we don't exactly know, like,
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maybe the full detailed
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understanding of what Paul
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really was trying to really get
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at in its full sense, but it's
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medicinal use.
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But that's not what people are
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really wanting to drink alcohol
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for, right?
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They're wanting to drink it
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chronically, socially and so
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forth, right?
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So, like, I think to use that
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and then conclude, "Okay, now we
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can start drinking alcohol just,
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like, as a regular
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routine thing."
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I think that's be misusing
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scripture.
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Yeah, yeah.
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>> So, Dr. George, is it
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possible for us to drink a
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little bit of alcohol or to
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drink alcohol and still
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be healthy?
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>> You're taking a risk.
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So like I mentioned previously,
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you know, there's people who can
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live their whole life smoking,
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they're not gonna get lung
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cancer and some people, they
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live a long life.
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But it's a risk, right?
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The studies show that smoke,
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like, cigarettes is linked with
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lung cancer.
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So you're taking a massive risk
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even though there is maybe that
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small number of people who can
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smoke and they never get, like,
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lung cancer, for example.
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So in the same way, sure,
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there's people who probably can
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drink alcohol and they
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don't get sick.
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But why would you
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bank on
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you being the exception, right?
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Alcohol is very addictive as
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well so the risk for abuse is
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very high.
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And so, again, we're taking a--
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we're basically gambling on our
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health when we do that and I
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don't think that's a risk
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worth taking.
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Yeah.
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>> What can we do to lower the
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general consumption of alcohol
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in Canada?
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>> We need do the exact same
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thing we did with cigarettes,
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right?
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So smoking levels are high, but
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then we started to get really
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honest with people about what
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cigarettes do, right?
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You know, on the cigarette
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packages, they start to put all,
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like, the pictures of, like,
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black teeth and, like, black
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lungs and, like, erectile
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dysfunction.
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You know, they started to put
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all these, like, different
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things on-- they put labels on
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cigarette packages.
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And now cigarettes, like,
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smoking levels actually trended
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kind of downward, right?
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So they need to do the same
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thing with alcohol as well.
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When the scientific community,
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when the government is clear to
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people, then it, then people
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will, it will start shifting the
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needle a little bit.
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So I think we have to just be
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really honest, use strategies
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like warning labels,
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things like that.
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Yeah.
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>> I like that idea, Dr. George,
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because nowadays alcohol is
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so easily accessible
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and it's almost like the norm,
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that it's okay to drink,
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you know, and you can get it
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anywhere, right?
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>> Among young people, they see
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it as cool and things like that.
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So we have to stop portraying
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alcohol consumption like beer as
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cool, as manly, these types of
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things, you know?
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That's just not true.
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[MIKE] Yeah.
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And definitely for me, when I
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was growing up, it was a cool
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thing to do.
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It wasn't so cool when,
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you know, I was getting sick
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because of it, and when it was
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causing that kind of disturbance
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in my thinking and I couldn't,
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you know, couldn't study
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properly and my relationships
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were breaking down, you know?
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Alcohol consumption was
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certainly detrimental to my
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health and to my relationships.
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So I can say that, you know,
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that was certainly a motivating
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factor for me personally to say
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this isn't good for you.
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[DR. CHO] Right, and as
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Christians in particular,
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you know, alcohol has all these
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physical effects, but also,
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like, on the brain, it has an
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effect on the brain and on the
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frontal lobe.
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Like, God communicates to us,
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it's through the brain, right,
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that this is happening,
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it's not--
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Yeah, so basically we need to
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keep our brain very sharp and we
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know, everyone knows the effect
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that alcohol has on the brain.
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So Christians in particular
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should take a very strong,
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very firm stance on alcohol
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consumption for the public and
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also in their personal life
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as well.
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[MIKE] Absolutely.
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>> And, Dr. George Cho, what
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about those that are struggling
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with alcohol abuse and alcohol
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addictions?
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>> So that's not really my
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special area of focus.
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However, I will say that those
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individuals, they need to get
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help, they need to get
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professional help.
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There's a lot of great resources
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out there, also, like, centres
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as well, things like that.
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But yeah, so these individuals,
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they do need to get professional
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help, but they need to tackle
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their issue.
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And I've seen people who...
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...have struggled
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and they've really
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been able to overcome.
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It can be very challenging,
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it can seem hopeless, but I've
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seen as-- I've seen it myself.
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And what I've seen is people,
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they never look back and say,
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"Oh, I wish I had that again."
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Like, nobody wants that,
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you know?
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So it's always, it's like
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you're being released, you know,
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you're coming out of prison, you
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know, that you feel more free,
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right, from getting out of this
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bondage that's been
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kind of keeping you in chains.
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[MIKE] Absolutely.
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Very interesting.
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Alcoholics Anonymous, for
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example, they always celebrate,
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you know, celebrate each time,
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you know, every month, every
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year that they are sober
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and they're saying, "Wow,
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I'm set free."
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And I think that's a beautiful
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feeling.
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Every single one of my family
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members who have gone through
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that and struggled with it,
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it's kind of like Romans 7,
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right, I don't wanna do it,
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but I'm doing something I don't
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wanna do and the things I
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wanna do, I don't do.
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And it's like, well, how
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can I get some help?
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And one thing that Alcoholics
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Anonymous does is admit your
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need of a higher power.
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And I think that's really,
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really critical that that is a
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part of this, that you recognize
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that you don't have power over
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it yourself and that you need to
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turn to a higher power
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for us that would be God and
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turning to the Bible and turning
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to Jesus and asking for that
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help and the Holy Spirit
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to guide us.
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>> Yeah, and the North American
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Division of Seventh-day
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Adventists, they have recovery
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ministries.
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And as part of that, they have
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something called, like,
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it's called the...
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...addiction recovery,
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there's something about
00:22:32.15\00:22:32.98
addiction recovery program from
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the North American Division
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that's really faith based.
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It helps people, kind of like
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Alcoholics Anonymous, look to
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God for help, but there's, like,
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a program, a year long process
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which the program, which can
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help individuals with various
00:22:45.66\00:22:46.93
addictions, including alcohol
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addiction.
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So there's different resources
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out there that people can
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utilize, but really, for--
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really the best thing is
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prevention.
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So for those who have,
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already have struggles,
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they need get professional help,
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but those listeners
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who aren't...
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...my message is basically don't
00:23:06.61\00:23:08.08
start because it is addictive
00:23:08.08\00:23:10.82
and there's high possibility of
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abuse and you just never know if
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you're the exception.
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Again, people want to be the
00:23:15.16\00:23:16.26
exception, you just never know
00:23:16.26\00:23:17.36
if you are the exception.
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So there's just no, there's no
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point taking that risk.
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And the consequences are just
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too much, too-- can be too
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damaging, too tragic.
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[MIKE] Yeah, yeah.
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Before I ask you a final
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question or final thoughts that
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you have, I think of the One
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Week in Paradise program that we
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run together with a lot of
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health care professionals and
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I've seen how you address this
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issue of alcohol and going to
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zero alcohol.
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And many people after that,
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after just one week are-- say,
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"Hey, I'm finished," you know,
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"I'm not gonna do that again."
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And it's a beautiful thing to
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watch people feeling like, hey,
00:23:52.86\00:23:55.30
I'm free and feeling really good
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and celebrating that
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because they do.
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>> And we're honest with people
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there about what alcohol is,
00:24:01.17\00:24:03.81
you know?
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And so you had to be honest with
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people and make them
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make the choice.
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Yeah, yeah.
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>> And having that emotional
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support there is really good and
00:24:11.11\00:24:12.98
the support of prayer,
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all of that.
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Any final thoughts?
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>> So my final thought is this,
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if, like, we would never give
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any other food substance the
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pass that we do for alcohol.
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So, like, let's say, for
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example, that tomorrow a study
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comes out, like something
00:24:30.03\00:24:31.07
on the news, "Soy milk,
00:24:31.07\00:24:33.54
now linked with cancer.
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Also, if you drink more than,
00:24:35.67\00:24:37.14
like, three cups of soy milk,
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it's gonna cause brain damage
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and heart issues and..."
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[MIKE] That's the end of
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soy milk. [laughs]
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>> Do you think people are gonna
00:24:43.61\00:24:44.58
be like, "Oh, let's drink soy
00:24:44.58\00:24:45.41
milk in moderation?"
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No one's gonna say that.
00:24:46.41\00:24:47.22
Everyone's gonna be like,
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they're not, they're gonna be
00:24:48.48\00:24:49.32
like, no soy milk, right?
00:24:49.32\00:24:50.22
Or, like, Gatorade.
00:24:50.22\00:24:51.19
You can just name any
00:24:51.19\00:24:51.95
other food, broccoli, kale.
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Like, if any other
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substance out there
00:24:56.26\00:24:58.16
had the same health
00:24:58.16\00:24:59.39
profile as alcohol, immediately
00:24:59.39\00:25:02.30
everyone would stop that thing.
00:25:02.30\00:25:04.80
So have to stick with what is
00:25:04.80\00:25:06.37
healthy and not gamble on what
00:25:06.37\00:25:08.97
is not healthy, right?
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Moderation is taking detrimental
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things out and eating healthy
00:25:13.84\00:25:16.01
things in moderation, right?
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For me, when I look at the
00:25:18.55\00:25:19.51
research, it's so clear,
00:25:19.51\00:25:20.65
alcohol is extremely detrimental
00:25:20.65\00:25:23.02
to your health.
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So that should be out, you know
00:25:23.99\00:25:25.19
why gamble on your health?
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Stick with things that we know
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is healthy.
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[MIKE] That's very good.
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Thank you very much for that.
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Very insightful.
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I wonder, as we close off, if
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you could pray, pray for our
00:25:35.63\00:25:36.87
guests, our viewers, those who
00:25:36.87\00:25:39.37
may be struggling with this
00:25:39.37\00:25:41.17
and that they can get the kind
00:25:41.17\00:25:43.34
of professional help and support
00:25:43.34\00:25:45.14
that they need and also
00:25:45.14\00:25:46.71
experience the power of God
00:25:46.71\00:25:48.81
to overcome these addictions.
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[DR. CHO] Right.
00:25:50.98\00:25:51.55
Okay, yeah, we can pray.
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Father God in heaven, Lord, I
00:25:54.05\00:25:55.38
wanna pray for
00:25:55.38\00:25:57.85
those who may be listening,
00:25:57.85\00:25:59.65
who are struggling
00:25:59.65\00:26:01.56
with alcohol use.
00:26:01.56\00:26:04.39
I'm praying, oh God, that You
00:26:04.39\00:26:05.96
can lead them to the help that
00:26:05.96\00:26:07.40
they need.
00:26:07.40\00:26:08.60
Also, that they can get help
00:26:08.60\00:26:09.83
from You as they look up to You
00:26:09.83\00:26:11.73
for strength and power,
00:26:11.73\00:26:13.94
and that the potentially
00:26:13.94\00:26:15.70
negative consequences of their
00:26:15.70\00:26:17.01
decisions, that You can help
00:26:17.01\00:26:18.41
work things out.
00:26:18.41\00:26:19.81
I'm also praying for those who
00:26:20.28\00:26:22.88
may be just drinking alcohol
00:26:22.88\00:26:25.08
just casually, occasionally
00:26:25.08\00:26:27.12
that something that they might,
00:26:27.12\00:26:29.48
that they have heard today will
00:26:29.48\00:26:32.15
inspire them, Lord, to
00:26:32.15\00:26:34.29
give up this harmful substance
00:26:34.29\00:26:36.36
altogether.
00:26:36.36\00:26:37.36
May we not yield to pressure,
00:26:38.19\00:26:39.96
social pressures and other
00:26:39.96\00:26:41.46
pressures, but may we take a
00:26:41.46\00:26:43.93
stand for what is good and
00:26:43.93\00:26:45.80
what's healthy.
00:26:45.80\00:26:47.34
We pray in Jesus name, amen.
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[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen.
00:26:49.34\00:26:50.34
>> Friends, freedom of choice is
00:26:52.27\00:26:53.58
one of the most precious gifts
00:26:53.58\00:26:55.51
God has entrusted to us.
00:26:55.51\00:26:57.21
Unfortunately, we often make
00:26:57.21\00:26:58.71
poor choices which may lead to
00:26:58.71\00:27:00.88
destructive habits that enslave
00:27:00.88\00:27:02.75
us, damage our health,
00:27:02.75\00:27:04.85
and even ruin our lives.
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>> Friends, to be honest, Jesus
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is offering you holistic health
00:28:16.56\00:28:19.19
and life that is beyond a
00:28:19.19\00:28:21.33
temporary existence, beyond our
00:28:21.33\00:28:23.16
ongoing struggles with pain and
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suffering and the sorrows that
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this life brings.
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So we would like to recommend
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that you open up the Bible or
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get yourself a copy of the
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Bible, or open up a Bible app
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where it is recorded that Jesus
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Himself found His assurance to
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defeat the Devil through the
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Word of His Father
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when He declared...
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