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>> Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Like Jonah in the Bible, our
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special guest, Troy Guderyan,
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found himself running from God.
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>> However, he found out that he
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was not able to outrun God's
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love for him.
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Pastor Troy, welcome to It Is
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Written Canada.
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>> Thank you for having me.
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[MIKE] Troy, tell us a little
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bit about yourself, where you're
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from, your family, their
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influence in your life.
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>> So I grew up in a small town,
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Hudson Bay, which is about four
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and a half hours,
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a little, I guess, over four
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hours northeast of Regina.
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And...
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...from Hudson Bay, the farm
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that we grew up on was just
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south of Hudson Bay, ten miles
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or so.
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So it was just a ten minute
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drive into town.
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But...
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...yeah, it was-- I grew up as a
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farm kid and loved the outdoors,
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fishing, hunting.
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In fact, like, after school, I
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would jump on the quad and I
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would drive over to a buddy's
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house, and we would be in the
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bush till like 10:00 at night.
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And we ended up spending a night
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in the bush one time.
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It was just fun things, I guess,
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for-- just things that I enjoyed
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growing up.
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You know, as my family was, you
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know, they were religious and
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Seventh-day Adventist, I grew up
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in an Adventist home.
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And so, you know, we always went
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to church on Sabbath.
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There wasn't a question of, you
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know, what were we gonna do on
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Saturday, you know, we knew that
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we were going to church.
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That's just what we did.
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So obviously, coming from a
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small town and having just
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relatives in the church, you
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know, and to come to the age of
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finding, you know, a life
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partner, you know, where do you
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go when there's a church full of
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cousins, right?
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So you're not going to marry
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your cousin.
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Obviously, I knew that.
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So fortunately, there was a girl
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that had moved away
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some years prior.
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She had moved back to Hudson Bay
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and come to high school.
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And I was in my 12th grade and
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she was in grade 11 and...
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And so this girl was actually a
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friend of my, one of my best
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friends, right?
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And so when she'd come to town,
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he phoned her up and said, "Hey,
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you know, do you wanna get
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together, do something?"
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And I happened to be actually
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with my buddy at the time.
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And anyways, we spent the
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afternoon together and, you
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know, we ended up hitting it off
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and today she's my wife.
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And so, yeah.
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So it turned out well.
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[RENÉ] So you were high school
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sweethearts?
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>> Yes, we are high school
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sweethearts.
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>> So, Troy, you mentioned that
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you grew up in the church.
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Did it become your faith and did
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you understand why you were
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going to church?
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[TROY] You know, I just knew,
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like I said, every Saturday,
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you know, we'd just, we'd go to
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church.
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And obviously growing up and,
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you know, as a kid, you learn
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the Bible stories.
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And so, I mean,
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you know the Bible, you know
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what it teaches, you know the
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principles of it, but, you know,
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you don't really embrace it as
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your own and...
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And it wasn't until we had an
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evangelist come to Hudson Bay,
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Victor Gill I believe it was,
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and he did a Revelation seminar.
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So that's where I learned about
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the Lamb of God and, you know,
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His substitutionary sacrifice
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for us.
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And actually, that was when I
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decided to give my life to the
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Lord through baptism and I was,
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I believe I was 17 or 18, I
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would have to do the math,
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but yeah.
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That's when it became real to me
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and I really understood what God
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actually did for me by, you
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know, His sacrifice on the
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cross.
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And it was at that moment that
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I decided to give my life
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to the Lord.
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>> So, Troy, once you were
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baptized, did you feel like God
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had a plan for your life?
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>> You know, I knew God had a
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plan for my life because God has
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a plan for everyone's life, but
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I didn't know what that was.
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And my buddy was actually
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enrolling in Millwright
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Industrial Mechanics.
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And so I thought, "Hey, why not?
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I'll try that out too."
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Because I liked working with my
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hands and doing things, so...
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So I enrolled in Millwright
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School and I enjoyed it.
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We did welding and machining.
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So we started the machine shop
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and being 21 years old, you
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know, we didn't have any money.
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And so my dad ended up cosigning
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for the loans and, you know, he
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put up some land for collateral
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and obviously he believed in
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what we were doing.
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I hired my cousin to work
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for me.
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He was he was a second year
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machinist so he had a little bit
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more experience machining than I
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did just being at Millwright.
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And so we were working on our
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first few jobs, we were excited,
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you know, to get going.
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Things were not going, you know,
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obviously well, as you start a
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business, it takes time to get
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your feet on the ground.
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>> So just before you and
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Lynnette got married, you had
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this machine shop in Hudson Bay
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that you were running and your
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cousin was helping you.
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But then something unexpected
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happened.
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Can you tell us about that?
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>> We started working on these
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hydraulic cylinders, was a piece
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of equipment from my cousin's
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skidder, and...
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...taking apart these hydraulic
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cylinders, you know, sometimes
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they can come apart easy and
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sometimes they can, you know,
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be a little bit more difficult.
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I took apart the first hydraulic
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cylinder by using
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compressed air.
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And I give it the shot of air, I
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had all the retaining rings off
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and the cylinder just, it come
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out in my hand, nice and slick.
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And I thought, this was
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quite easy.
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So I tried the second cylinder
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and the second cylinder, it's
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identical cylinders, and when I
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went to to take it apart, the
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shaft extended and it come to
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the end where the gland is in
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the cylinder.
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But when I give it a shot of
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air, it wasn't coming.
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And so I thought, "Okay, a
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little bit more air, needs a
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little bit more air," and so you
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continue to give it air.
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And pretty soon, you know, this
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cylinder has got 95 pounds of
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air in it and it was like a
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six-inch cylinder.
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And so if you multiply that out,
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it's like 2,600 pounds per
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square inch of force that comes
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out of that cylinder.
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Well, that cylinder finally gave
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way and when it did it, it hit
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me in the stomach.
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And so, you know, it pushed
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everything up into my chest
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cavity, you know, I fell to one
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knee, I got up, and my cousin
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looked at me and he said, "Do we
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have to go to the hospital?"
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And I said, "No, just let me
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catch my breath."
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And as I was catching my breath,
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I realized that, you know what,
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there's something seriously
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wrong.
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>> There was a lot of pressure
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there.
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It was like a cannonball hitting
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you in the stomach.
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[TROY] Yeah, like...
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>> Throwing everything up.
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But you, I mean, you're feeling
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this and a second before you're,
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everything's fine.
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And so after it hits you, it
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hits you so quickly you don't
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even...
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Hey, no passage of time.
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You're fine.
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But it wasn't just shortness
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of breath.
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[TROY] No, it wasn't.
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In fact, there was quite a bit
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of internal damage done and we
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didn't realize that until I got
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to the hospital and they, you
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know, they cut my coveralls off
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and they prepped me to fly out
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to Saskatoon.
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And when I flew out to
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Saskatoon, when I arrived to
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Saskatoon, my mom and my aunt
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were waiting at the hospital
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for me.
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And, you know, as I was flying,
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I could-- I noticed my stomach,
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you know, it just kept getting
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larger and larger and so I knew
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something was really wrong.
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And, you know, when you're
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laying there in that state,
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you're wondering, you know,
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obviously you're praying, you
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know, you know, you don't know
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what's going on and, you know,
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the thought crossed my mind, you
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know, "What am I doing?" right?
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"Is this really God's plan for
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my life?" you know, start a
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machine shop.
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And you know, I questioned
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myself, you know, "Am I running
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from God?"
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But the funny thing is we,
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sometimes we just continue doing
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what we're doing because
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it's easy, right?
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And so we ended up getting to
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the hospital.
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My mom and aunt were waiting
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there and they rushed me in and
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prepped me for surgery.
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And I remember the last thing
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that the doctor told me, he said
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that, "You might come out with a
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bag, colostomy."
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So I wasn't in the situation
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to argue with him.
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So I come out of surgery.
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When I come out of surgery,
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praise God, I didn't have a bag
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and everything was well, I, you
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know, my stomach was stapled, I
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can't remember 40 some staples
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and they just cut me,
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went around my bellybutton and,
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you know, cut me wide open.
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They pulled everything out,
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cleaned it up, put it back in.
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Everything-- they couldn't have
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done a better job, but as I was
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laying in bed, I was quite-- I
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never had an accident like this
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before, so I didn't know what to
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expect for, you know, the amount
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of pain that one would be in
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in a situation like this.
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And so I was in quite a bit of
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pain and they had given a button
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to push as soon as you needed
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the pain medication and so I was
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pushing it and nothing was
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really helping.
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The only thing that was kind of
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odd was I was starting to get
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itchy and...
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...my back especially.
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And so I would ask Lynette,
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"Lynette, can you scratch
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my back?"
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And so she was scratching my
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back so hard that it was just
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leaving welts on my back and...
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But it felt so good, like when
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she scratched, but it was just
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welting my back.
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And so she was questioning the
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doctors, the nurses, like, "Do
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you think that he could be
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allergic to the medication?"
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Like, I was allergic to
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penicillin when I was young,
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right, and so she was asking
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about the morphine medication.
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And they didn't think that it
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was an issue.
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And so she was getting hungry
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and so she jumped in the
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elevator and she went down to
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the cafeteria to get a
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bite to eat.
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And as she was in the elevator,
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she heard over the intercom...
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[] “Code blue, room 305.
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All doctors to the E.R.”
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[TROY] And she said she knew
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right away that it had to have
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been me.
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And so she come right back up to
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the room.
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And they were trying to get her
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into a quiet room, and she
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wasn't having that.
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She said, "No, I know what
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happens in the quiet room."
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And so she talked her way into
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the room.
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And so she was able to get into
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the room and she-- I don't-- I
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didn't know this, she was
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rubbing my foot and she's, you
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know, calling my name and I'm,
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she said I'm-- I was staring
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right through her.
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It turns out that I was allergic
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to the morphine and my body
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started shutting down.
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And so once Lynette got back
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into the room and they gave me a
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shot of adrenaline and I
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remember like it was yesterday,
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I sat up in bed and I thought I
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was dreaming.
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You know, there was a light, you
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know, they had the light in my
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face and I sat up and I looked
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out and I saw Lynette surrounded
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by, you know, a few nurses and
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I, and I'm like, "Oh," I said to
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myself, "Oh, I must be
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dreaming."
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And I just laid right back.
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I went back to sleep.
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There was no audio sound, I,
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like I say, I could just see her
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there and I was happy and I laid
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back down.
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The second shot of adrenaline
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that they gave me,
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my audio came back.
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And so when I opened my eyes,
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you know, they had the light in
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my face and I started hearing
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what they were saying and they
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were they were saying, you know,
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I stopped breathing and, you
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know, so they started going
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through all the things that they
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were doing.
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And I realized at that moment
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that they were actually talking
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about me.
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And so it was at that moment
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that I'm like, I have to tell
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myself to keep breathing, right?
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I realized the situation and how
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severe it was and how close to
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death I was.
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I said a short prayer to the
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Lord and I just said, "Lord, if
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You have something else in mind
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for me, you know, show me
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what that is."
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But I said to Him, I said, "If
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You save my life," basically a
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second chance, right?
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"If You save my life, I will go
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wherever You want me to go.
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I will do whatever You want me
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to do."
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We were planning on getting
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married in two months, and so
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you know what?
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The Lord was good.
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He answered my prayer.
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I didn't realize it at the time,
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but it was eight days later I
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was out of the hospital.
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We went to Taco Time and I got
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the hot sauce and tested out how
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well the doctor did on my
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stomach and everything was 100%.
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And so we returned back to
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Hudson Bay and, you know, once I
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had recovered from the injury,
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back working at the shop.
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And it was three and a half
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years later that I just felt
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that, you know, maybe there's
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something else the Lord
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has for me.
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And I said to Lynette, you know,
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"I just feel like the Lord maybe
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is calling us into the
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ministry."
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So we...
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...packed up our vehicle and
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I don't even know what the
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circumstance was, but we ended
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up out it at Burman, er it was
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CUC at the time.
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We took a trip out to CUC and
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we toured the campus and, you
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know, everything looked great
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and we started looking for
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housing and housing was through
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the roof.
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And so we turned around and we
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went back to Hudson Bay and
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continued on our life machining
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and welding and, you know,
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life as usual.
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It was probably close to seven
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years and...
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...you know, I felt that feeling
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again, but it wasn't until there
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was a few signs that things were
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happening.
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>> Troy, you were looking for a
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sign from God, and that's
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understandable.
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I mean, Gideon looked for a
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sign, he asked God for a sign.
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You were looking for a sign, you
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didn't really know you were
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looking for a sign, but you
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felt like you were running from
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God, but He sent you three signs
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and they were obvious to you.
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Tell us about those three signs.
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>> Yeah.
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You know, like you say, I didn't
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realize that we were actually
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looking for three signs until
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things started happening.
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The first thing that happened to
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me was I was working in the
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industry and there was a heavy
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door that had to get put back up
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into place after working on this
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piece of equipment.
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And as I was, we were putting
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this door up, I went to reach
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in and pull a chain out of this
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door, and the piece of equipment
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had slipped and the door
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slammed shut and it...
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...it actually crushed
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this finger.
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I didn't realize, I pulled my
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hand out and my finger was
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hanging there, my bone sticking
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out, and I stuck my hand back in
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the glove and I made my way to
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the parking lot, drove myself to
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the hospital.
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And, you know, we were sent to
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Saskatoon once again and, you
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know, they they repaired
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my finger.
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So that was sign number one.
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The second thing that happened
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was it wasn't that long after.
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In fact, my finger wasn't even
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healed up.
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I-- we had it in gauze and it
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was just a big ball on the end
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of my finger.
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I had a pin in my finger that
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went to the, about the middle of
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my hand.
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And I was doing some, just a
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small job, and I was bending
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some pieces of rebar and I had a
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square tubing locked in the vise
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and I would stick the rebar in
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and I had another piece of
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square tubing that I would slide
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over and I would just bend
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basically hooks, right?
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And so I had 80 of these hooks
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to do and I was going through
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them and I got 60 some of them
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done and didn't realize, but the
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piece in the vise was working
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loose, working itself loose.
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And I think probably I wasn't
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able to tighten the vise enough
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because of my hand was still
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damaged.
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And when I was doing a bend and
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giving it the final, you know,
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push, the whole thing popped out
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of the vise and it ended up
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hitting me right in the mouth.
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Now, it didn't, like it didn't
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touch my lips or anything.
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I must have been smiling as I
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was working, I don't know, but
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it sheared two of my teeth
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off, it just broke them.
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[MIKE] It's miraculous it didn't
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hit you in your head anywhere
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and hurt you, I mean,
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it could have been life
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threatening.
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>> Yeah, like it could have done
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a lot of damage and it...
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And you know, just hard enough
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just to break both of those
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teeth.
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And so we found ourselves
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driving to Swan River, Manitoba,
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to get, you know, my teeth root
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canal-ed.
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And on the way there, you know,
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I'm talking with Lynette and,
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you know, we're saying to
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ourselves, "You know what, the
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Lord has something, gotta have
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something different for us,
00:19:06.17\00:19:07.48
like, you know, how many more
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signs do we need?"
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Like, this was sign number two.
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You know, she was on the phone
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with her mom and her mom's like,
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"You know, you guys better start
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listening," you know, "I don't--
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I'm scared of, you know, what's
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coming next."
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So that night we get home, it's
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late, we just crawl into bed,
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shut the light off, and there's
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a moment of silence and I didn't
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realize that Lynette was
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praying.
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But we had just gotten into bed
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and I was pulling my hand out
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from underneath the sheets of
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the bed and the pin and my
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finger had a little hook on the
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end, well, it caught on a thread
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under the blanket.
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And when I pulled my hand out, I
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just felt a sensation in-- go
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through my hand and I realized
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that the-- when I felt with my
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other hand that my pin was
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missing and I pulled that pin
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out of my hand.
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And I said to Lynette, I said,
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"You're not gonna believe this."
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And remember, she was, I didn't
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realize she was praying.
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And she said, and she goes,
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"What?"
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I go, "I just pulled the pin out
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of my finger."
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And so we had just got home, you
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know, and now we have to turn
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around and go back to the
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hospital.
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She said, "I can't believe it."
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She said, "I was just praying
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for another sign," she said,
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"from God that, you know, if You
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give me another clear sign," she
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said, "I'll start packing our
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bags tomorrow and, you know,
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we're gonna head to CUC.
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It was a...
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...it was a Christian university
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in Alberta, in Lacombe.
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It's now called Burman
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University.
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And that's what, that's actually
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what happened.
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Like, she prayed that prayer and
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we got the third sign.
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She started packing the next day
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and we made our decision that,
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you know what, that was it, we
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were gonna go no matter what.
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There was nothing gonna stop us.
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When we look back, we just say,
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you know, we can see that the
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Lord has led the whole way and,
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you know, sometimes we just
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fight it.
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You know, like Jonah, like you
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said, you know, we run from God
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and sometimes we should just,
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you know, be still and just
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listen and, little bit sooner
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than what we do.
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>> So, Pastor Troy, you've been
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in the ministry now for more
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than ten years here in Regina.
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Can you tell us what has been
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the most toughest thing in the
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ministry and also the most
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joyful thing for you?
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>> Yeah, for sure.
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You know, there's lots of things
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that happen.
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But I have to say the most, the
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hardest thing that I've done in
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these ten years...
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...is...
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...is actually burying my...
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...one of my best friend's
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daughters at the age of 14.
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She was same age as Emma, my--
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one of my daughters.
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And I-- we got the call, we were
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actually going to Hudson Bay
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and, for the weekend and I was,
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I wanted to phone him.
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Lynnette says, "Can you phone...
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...Dionne, my friend, and ask
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him if we can use the quad
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for the weekend?"
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We were going up, we wanted to
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do some quadding.
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And I got to Melville, we fueled
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up with fuel and I phoned my
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sister and she was just bawling.
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And she, I guess my friend was
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out quadding with his daughter
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and they went for a wiener
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roast, they were coming back...
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...and the-- it happened right
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in front of him.
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He was waiting for them and the
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quad flipped right in front of
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him and landed on her and
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it took her life and...
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So he asked me to do the
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service and that was...
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...that was the toughest thing
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I had to do.
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Yeah.
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But the thing that was really
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joyful, the best thing that I've
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done so far and probably will
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have an opportunity one more
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time, but is I was able to give
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my daughter away in marriage.
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It was an honour, you know, we
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raise our children and to that
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point where they're ready for,
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you know, starting their own
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family.
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And so, yeah, I was able to do
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the service and give her away
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and Lynnette and I were very
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proud to do that.
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Yeah it was...
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...it was a moment that we
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really enjoyed.
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[MIKE] Troy, final question.
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If there's someone who's feeling
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right now like they're running
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away from God, what would you
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say to them?
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>> Well, just from my
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experience, you know, you can't
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outrun God, you know, like, you
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know, we shared with Jonah.
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You know, Jonah, there was no
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running away from God.
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You can't hide from God.
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And when you feel God calling
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you, you know, just stop to
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listen to that still small voice
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and, you know, you can probably
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avoid a lot of... [chuckles]
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...a lot of incidences in my
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case, right?
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If I would have listened sooner,
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you know, I probably would still
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have you know, my digit would
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still work and, you know, I
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wouldn't have five fake teeth in
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the front of my mouth and...
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But I would just say,
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you know...
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...just listen to that voice
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and, you know, pray about it and
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take it serious because God is
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serious.
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If He calls you, He's not gonna
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give up.
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He's a pursuer and He'll pursue
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you until you're ready.
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Yeah.
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>> Troy, we've come to the end
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of our time together.
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I wonder if you could pray for
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someone.
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Maybe there's someone who's
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feeling like they're running
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away from God to pray that they
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will understand you can't outrun
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God and especially outrun His
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love for you because He has
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something more joyful for you
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than you are running away from.
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Can you pray for...
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[TROY] Sure.
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Let's bow our heads.
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Heavenly Father, Lord, we just
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wanna thank You that You never
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give up on us.
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And, Lord, no matter how many
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times You call and how many
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times we reject that calling,
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Lord, we know that You are
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waiting, standing at the door,
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knocking at the door of our
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heart.
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And, Lord, I know that there may
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be somebody out listening to
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this...
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...message, Lord, that is
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running from God and they need
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to listen to the God's calling
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and understand that God's love
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for us is greater than we can
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even imagine and He only wants
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the best for us.
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And I wanna thank You, Lord, for
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leading me into the ministry and
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I pray, Lord, that as You
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continue to knock on the hearts
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of those who You wish to be in
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ministry, Lord, that they will
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hear and answer that calling.
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I pray in Jesus' name, amen.
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[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen.
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>> Pastor Troy, thank you so
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much for joining us on It Is
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Written Canada.
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>> Well, thank you, guys, for
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having me.
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It was a pleasure.
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>> Friends, as Troy said, he
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didn't really know why he was
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