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>> Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Brokenness in one form or
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another inevitably enters
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every life.
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Broken dishes to broken bones.
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>> Broken dreams to broken
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hearts.
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>> And even broken spirits.
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The Bible assures us that our
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Father in Heaven heals the
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broken hearted and binds up
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their wounds.
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>> The Lord desires us to
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come to see ourselves as even
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more beautiful and much stronger
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than we would have been if our
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brokenness and mending had never
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occurred.
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>> Today, our special guests are
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Carolyn and Dacia Rowe, who have
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agreed to share their story with
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us of how their brokenness made
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them beautifully broken.
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>> Carolyn and Dacia and Guava,
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your hearing ear guide dog,
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welcome to It Is Written Canada.
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[CAROLYN & DACIA] Thanks for
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having us.
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[MIKE] Carolyn and Dacia, you
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are twins, which means you're
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very close to one another.
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How similar, how different are
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you from one another?
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>> Well, we're a similar in that
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we have similar taste in
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clothes, in music, books...
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...games that we like to play.
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Things like that.
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And our differences show up more
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in our personality and how we
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express ourselves.
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>> I will admit it takes me
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longer to make a decision about
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things like if we go shopping,
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like Dacia's a lot faster about
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that than I am.
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But that's about the only flaw
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I'll admit to.
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>> She's also more outgoing.
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Sometimes I tend to be more
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quiet.
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You wouldn't think that because
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I'm saying that right now, but
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that's usually how we come
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across if you were to meet us in
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person.
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Yeah.
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>> So, Carolyn and Dacia, your
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mother was a very prominent
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figure in your lives.
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Can you tell us about your
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mother and also how she shaped
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the spiritual growth
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in your life?
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>> Sure.
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Our mom was a very godly woman
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and it was just very much a
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priority for her, for us to
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learn about God and to develop a
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relationship with God.
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And she was really masterful,
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actually, in how she did it.
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In our home, we had scriptures
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posted all around the house, we
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had the Ten Commandments written
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on a wall.
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And one of the things she did
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was she made each of us books...
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...and it had scriptures on it
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from A to Z.
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And...
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...like, for instance, A like...
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That was my A.
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And she made books like that
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with scriptures beginning with
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the letter of the alphabet and
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it was really, really cool.
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>> And for example, my A was
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different.
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It was like, "And behold, I come
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quickly...
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And then Jonathan, our younger
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brother, had a different one.
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I don't remember his because I
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was so busy memorizing my own.
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But yeah, for each letter it was
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just a different verse.
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So for my V it was...
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>> This is very good because
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parents who are watching, they
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can get a good example of, you
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know, something they can do to
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train their children.
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So when you were very young, you
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had-- your mother had a specific
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incident that really affected
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her health but also
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affected you.
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>> Yeah.
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So when we were young, our mom
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got really sick and that
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illness...
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...changed her because she had a
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bit of a brain injury and so she
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had to relearn everything
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in her life.
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But she never forgot God
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throughout her illness.
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And when she was recovering,
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she would pray.
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She just was so thankful for
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God's presence in her life.
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And even though she didn't
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return to her former way of
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being, she referred to herself
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as a miracle lady.
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She was just grateful to God for
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who she was and it was a great
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model for us to see.
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And so we had her for about ten
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years after she became ill and
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then we lost her.
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She passed away.
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And so that was when we really
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discovered that our faith, the
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faith that she had instilled in
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us was real because it sent us
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into survival mode, you know,
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and when we had people telling
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us that, "Oh, you're going to
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walk away from God and come
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back," that's-- I had a lady
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tell me that.
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And I remember I didn't feel
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that way.
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And so that was when I realized,
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but wait a minute, I have faith
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and my mom's lessons of faith
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and trusting in God were really
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instilled in me and in Car and
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in my brother.
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We all just believed.
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And so that's just became
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who we are.
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>> And it's important, I feel
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the need to say it's important
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to know that my mom definitely
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wasn't perfect, okay?
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She was just like any other
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person out there.
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She had good days and bad days
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and she wasn't perfect by any
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means.
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But I do stress, her
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masterfulness in teaching us
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about God and referring us to
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God because then we weren't
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dependent on her for everything
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in a way that doesn't cause you
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to lean on God.
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Which is why when she did pass,
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we were able to lean on God
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because she had taught us
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to do that.
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She taught us to refer to the
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Bible, she taught us to remember
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the promises in the Bible, those
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are true, God is true, believe
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Him and live your life that way.
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So when she passed, it was
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natural to continue that
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progression.
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>> So when this happened to her,
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you're about eight or nine years
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old and you saw her in bed.
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She didn't even know
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who you were.
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>> At one point in her illness,
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she did.
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When Dacia says she forgot
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everything, she forgot
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everything but God, literally.
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We-- I remember standing at the
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foot of her bed and she didn't
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know who we were.
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She was kicking, she was in
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distress saying, "Get out of
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here, I don't know who you are."
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And the nurses were very kind to
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us and just letting us know that
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our mom was sick so we weren't
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mentally too scarred by that.
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But she had a really tough road
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of recovery and we were witness
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to that.
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But her faith and strength in
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God was what got her
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through that.
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>> Dacia, you had a number of
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adversities over the years,
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setbacks in your health.
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Can you walk us through the
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details of what happened?
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>> Well, about 20 years ago, I
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noticed that I was having
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hearing loss.
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I was holding my niece and the
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phone rang and normally when you
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hold a baby, you can pick up the
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phone and this is how I would
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answer.
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But I answered and then I
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switched.
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And so I was holding baby like
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this and talking this way.
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And my sister said, "What are
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you doing?"
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And I said, "Well, I can't hear
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properly out of this ear."
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And so as a result of that
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incident of--
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went to the doctor and
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he referred me to a specialist
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and when I went to the
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specialist, they said, "Oh, it's
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just a simple procedure.
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You've got something, tissue
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that needs to be removed.
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So I had the procedure done, and
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as it turns out, I didn't heal
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the way that he expected
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me to heal.
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And so that resulted in another
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surgery.
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And I still kept getting
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these ear infections and was not
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healing the way he
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expected it to.
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And so that progressed
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like that.
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I had another procedure done...
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...still didn't work.
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Ended up trying hearing aids to
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help me because I needed to be
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able to hear in order to work.
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I worked as a psychiatric nurse
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and so I was having difficulty
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at work.
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And so the hearing aids helped
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for a time, but then they didn't
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become useful either because of
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the inflammation in my ears.
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And so I ended up-- he ended up
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sending me to Toronto for a
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second opinion.
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They couldn't help me.
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I ended up going to the States
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to the Mayo Clinic and they
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were-- did a whole battery of
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tests and they weren't able to
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help me because, or pinpoint
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exactly what the cause of this
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issue was.
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So I'm still undiagnosed today
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and throughout that journey,
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like, I thought at one point, I,
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no, I didn't think, I know.
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God, I read Scripture, I was
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reading Scripture one day
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because that's what I do, you
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know, we read and we pray, and I
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felt distinctly that God was
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saying, "I was gonna heal--
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I will heal your wounds."
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There was a verse in Jeremiah,
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30, verse 17, I think, and it
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says, "I will heal you and I
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will heal your wounds."
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And so I took that as, "Okay,
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I'm gonna be healed."
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And so that was probably about
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ten years ago now and...
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...actually probably 13 years ag
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now, and still I'm here.
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[laughs]
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If anything, things are getting
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worse instead of getting better.
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And so that's been very
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disheartening, but at the same
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time in talking to God, I've
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come to the realization that
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healing is something that we
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expect takes place right here on
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this earth and that's what we
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count as healing.
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And God, I remember feeling a
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distinct impression from Him
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that, "Hey, you know, when
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you're come to heaven,
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you will be healed."
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And that counts.
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And I was like, "Yeah, you know
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what, that does count."
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And so I've-- since having that
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realization, it's really helped
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me relax and not be as upset as
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I was about my journey and
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the apparent lack of answer
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to prayer.
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So for me, I just appreciate God
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more, it just helps me to
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appreciate Him more and
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appreciate the process more.
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So I get to see God at work in
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my life, even though things
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aren't turning out the way I
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thought that they would.
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So instead of looking for,
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you know...
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...a return to work or things
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that I would consider being
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healed, I don't do that anymore.
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I just, I take it day by day and
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I just say, "Okay, Lord, You
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must have a reason for why this
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is happening.
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And instead of trying to
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understand that [laughs]
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because it's not coming,
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I just accept it.
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I'm trying to be in a spirit of
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acceptance.
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And so, yeah, that's kind of
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where and that right now.
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>> And Carolyn, how did you deal
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with Dacia's adversities?
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>> You know, it's really hard to
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watch a loved one
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suffer like that.
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I went with Dacia to all of her
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appointments, so all of them
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except one.
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I missed one appointment that I
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didn't go with her on and that
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was the time she actually
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suffered some facial paralysis
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and it was after that
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appointment that I missed.
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And I, you know, you kind of
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wonder, is it because I wasn't
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there?
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Like, we wonder these things,
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but we're not that powerful,
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but we can't help it.
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Sometimes we just think
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that way.
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But I need to say I have great
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admiration for Dacia's attitude
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through this whole illness and
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it reminds me pretty much of
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what my mom went through in the
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sense that, yes, good days,
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bad days.
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She struggled if things didn
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?rk out the way
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she thought.
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But faith in God was always
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there and always a goal, like,
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it was just not to lose our
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faith in God.
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And I see that in Dacia that,
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you know, she's determined to
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believe in God no matter what.
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And I have to tell you, I have
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seen miracles in Dacia's life
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even as she's progressed through
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this illness.
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A couple years ago around
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Christmas time, we she went to
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see the specialist and they said
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her lungs were not functioning
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properly.
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They were functioning at
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about 21%.
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And we're like, "What?
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You mean her--" I asked, "You
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mean they're functioning at, you
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mean 80% not working?
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Like..."
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She's like, "Yes."
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And I'm like, "Well, what are we
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gonna do about this?"
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And she decided, "Okay, we're
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gonna, there's a couple options
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that we can pursue.
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Just come back in a few weeks
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and we'll do some testing,
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further testing and blah blah."
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Anyway, we went back a few weeks
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later, but in the meantime we
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just went home and we just
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prayed.
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We prayed to God.
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We're like, "You know what?
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You are the giver of life,
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You are the breath-giver
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so give Dacia breath
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in her lungs."
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And we just prayed.
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We didn't tell our family, it
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was around Christmas and we
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didn't want to bring anybody
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down.
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There-- when you go through a
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long illness like that, it's
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like you get tired of sharing
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bad news or no news.
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So we decided to just keep that
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between us and we just prayed
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about it.
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And when we went back to the
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doctor and she was retested,
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they did more comprehensive
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testing and then it found out
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her levels had increased to
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normal.
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And the doctor, she was very
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proud of herself and she's like,
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"What did I do?
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What did I do for you?
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Did I give you some medication?
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What did I prescribe?"
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And I just looked at the doctor
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and I said, "You didn't do
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anything.
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We prayed and God gets credit
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for this one.
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It's not you."
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And...
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>> "Oh, okay."
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>> "Oh!" [chuckles]
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So I just really was so proud of
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God in that moment that He did
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that for us and gave us that
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faith builder and gave us the
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story to share.
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And even the doctor just smiled
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and just didn't say anything,
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but-- because she, it's clear
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you didn't prescribe anything,
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like, there's no record of that.
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And it was just wonderful seeing
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that miracle happen.
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>> A big question that I have
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about the two of you is why are
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you so happy?
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Because everyone who meets you,
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I am so inspired by you, but
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people look at you and are
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inspired within your church
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family, within your family.
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Do you have a secret?
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Do you have some kind of formula
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for how you have gone through
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such adversity, such
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difficulties, a lot of lows,
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highs and lows, but
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a lot of lows.
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How are you able to do that?
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>> I guess one thing I can say
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is I guess my frame of reference
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is that whatever we're going
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through is temporary.
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Whatever it is that you're going
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through is actually temporary.
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And when I think of that, it
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also brings to mind a quote that
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also keeps me going, is that--
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and I read this in a commentary,
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that we wouldn't choose to be
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led another way.
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So when I think of that, when
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I'm feeling bad and I think of
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that quote, so you mean if I
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knew the end, like, if I knew
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exactly how things were gonna
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work out in the future and I
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would look back on this moment
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and I would choose this...
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...it's...
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... a way of, that way of
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thinking, like, it just
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immediately calms me in the
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moment because it's temporary.
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And so that really does keep me
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going that that is temporary.
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And the thing is, God, He does
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things in such a way that even
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when you're in a horrible
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situation...
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...good can come out of it.
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No horrible situation feels
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good, but good can come
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out of it.
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Like, we're meant to grow from
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our trials and I'm very happy
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about my life and every trial
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that I faced, I didn't enjoy any
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of them, but I enjoy who I am as
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a result of them.
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So I-- that's my prayer for
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people.
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>> I think it's important to
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also note that when we're having
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hardships, I know for me when I,
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over the years I've had moments
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of depression and anxiety where
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you're wondering, like, what's
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going on?
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And in those moments, what
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brings me comfort is, one, that
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I'm allowed to have that moment.
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Because when we read in the
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Psalms, I-- there is one verse
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in Psalm 73, I believe it is,
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verse 21, where he says, "I am
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bitter and I'm just torn up
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inside."
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And I just love that because you
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read further down in that same
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Psalm and he says...
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So, you know, I think it's
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important to allow ourselves to
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feel what we're feeling in the
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moment and not judge it and then
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move on.
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So for me, I allow myself to
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have that moment, but I don't
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allow myself to stay there.
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So for me, it's important that I
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don't spiral down into
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depression or spiral down
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into doubt.
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So when, like, God says I will
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be healed, I believe that.
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Whether it's here or whether
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it's in the kingdom, I still
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believe.
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And so I don't allow myself to
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doubt His Word.
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It's a pleasure for me to do
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that for God after all He's done
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for me.
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So that's just how I
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consider it.
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So a formula per se, Mike, I
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wish I had a formula, [laughs]
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but the only thing that I can
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think of is that I read my
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Bible...
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...I believe what God says
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about Himself, and I don't--
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I pray, I tell Him everything,
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what pleases me, I tell Him what
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annoys me.
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I don't hold anything back, you
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know, so you get it all out and
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I just allow His spirit, like,
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to soothe my soul.
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And so that and memorizing
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scripture of my mom, like, had
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started that habit from us, from
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when we were young so, you know,
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who am I in heaven but you,
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like, you're the strength
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of my life.
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Like, it's Him that gives me
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the strength to go forward.
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And so that's basically the
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formula, if there is one,
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is to just trust God and not
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allow anything to impact, you
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know, me where I'm
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feeding doubt.
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I don't allow anything, like, if
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anything, whether it's the music
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I'm listening to, what I'm
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watching, if anything is gonna
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discourage me or put doubt in my
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heart or in my mind against God,
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I don't entertain it.
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I just do not entertain anything
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because, you know, the enemy,
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that's what he wants, is for us
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to be distracted and for us to
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spiral down into doubt and once
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we do that, then we're headed on
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a slippery slope that-- and I
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could slide off.
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I'm not arrogant enough to think
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that I couldn't, you know?
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I could doubt God.
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It's a choice to believe God.
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And so I think that we need to
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make a choice and when you make
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that choice, you stick to it.
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It's just like a married couple,
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right?
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If they-- if divorce is an
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option, likely, statistically
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speaking, they might get
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divorced because it's an option,
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right?
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So for me, feeding doubt or
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doubting God is not an option
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for me.
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And anything that causes me to
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want to head down that way,
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whether it's my friends, whether
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it's this, I just, like, I just
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cut that conversation.
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"Why you, Dacia?"
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"Why not me, friend?"
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You know?
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And that's how I am, so...
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>> I think I can add
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to that, too.
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One thing we do take a healthy
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dose of every day is laughter.
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[DACIA] Yeah.
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>> We laugh all the time.
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If there's nothing to laugh at,
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we'll laugh at nothing.
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We just, that's-- laughter is
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good medicine, the Bible tells
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us and we do it all the time.
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At times inappropriately, where
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it seems inappropriate.
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But laughter has gotten us
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through life, and I recommend
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that to anybody.
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Laugh.
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Just do it.
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Laugh.
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>> Carolyn and Dacia, thank you
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so much for sharing.
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That was so encouraging.
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Unfortunately, we've come to the
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end of our program together, but
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before we go, I wonder if you
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could pray for our viewers.
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Perhaps there is someone
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watching who is feeling like
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they are struggling and God is
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not answering their prayers or
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is not performing a miracle in
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their lives, or they're just
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feeling empty and lonely.
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I wonder if you could please
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pray for them.
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>> I'd be happy to.
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Father in heaven, I just want to
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thank You so much for being such
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a good God.
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And I just wanna pray for those
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who are watching this program
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who may be feeling like it is
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not worth their time to talk to
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You, or they might be feeling
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distressed about the
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circumstances of their
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life and...
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Lord, I pray that You will send
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Your Holy Spirit into their
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lives, help them to see You
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somehow.
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I pray that You will help them
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to just decrease that sense of
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despair, helplessness,
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hopelessness that they may be
00:24:41.04\00:24:42.78
feeling and help them to see
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that their situation, no matter
00:24:44.75\00:24:46.25
what it is, is temporary.
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[DACIA] And Father, I just pray
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that You would help the viewers
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to see Your hand in their life
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and to recognize Your blessings
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for them, even if
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the answer is no.
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You've told me no, or it seems
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that way for right now, but
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You've blessed me with Guava and
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You've blessed me with good
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friends and family, and with
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a support network.
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So help us, help us all to
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recognize Your blessings that
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You have for us.
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And so for each viewer out there
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that's listening and seeing this
00:25:21.35\00:25:23.08
program, You have blessings for
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them and I pray that You'll open
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their heart and their mind to
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the treasures that You have for
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them and may we just appreciate
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You more.
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In Jesus' name, amen.
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[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen.
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>> Carolyn and Dacia, thank you
00:25:36.30\00:25:37.77
so very much for sharing your
00:25:37.77\00:25:40.44
lives with us on It Is Written
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Canada.
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[CAROLYN & DACIA] You're
00:25:43.14\00:25:44.14
welcome.
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>> In the darkest days when
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forbidding, have faith in God.
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>> He is working out His will,
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doing all things well in behalf
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of His children.
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