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>> Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Ramogi Nyagudi is an all-star
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Canadian basketball player
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ranked number one in the
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province of Manitoba, Canada.
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>> Sixteen-year-old Ramogi
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stands a solid six feet, nine
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inches tall and is still
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growing.
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Because he has put his faith
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first, Ramogi refused to play on
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Sabbath and miraculously the
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league accommodated his
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convictions, shifting the dates
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and times he was scheduled to
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play so that he could play the
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game he loves and also worship
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the Lord He loves, every
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Sabbath.
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>> Today our special guest is
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Ramogi and the Nyagudi who has
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agreed to honestly share with us
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the serious challenges he is
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encountering in his
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determination to put his
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faith first.
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>> Ramogi, thank you for joining
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us on It Is Written Canada.
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>> Thank you.
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I'm blessed to be here.
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>> Ramogi, let's begin by asking
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you, you are 16 years old, you
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are six feet, nine inches tall,
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which is really tall compared to
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me, I'm, like, looking up at you
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like this.
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How big are your feet?
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[RAMOUGI] Take a wild guess.
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[MIKE] Take wild guess!
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I have no idea.
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I just can't imagine.
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They're just, like, way beyond
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mine, that's for sure.
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>> Yeah, they're the same, like,
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number as my age.
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So I'm-- they're 16.
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[MIKE] Oh, 16!
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[RENÉ] Oh, wow!
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[MIKE] Wow.
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[Mike & René laugh]
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>> Okay, so let's begin at a
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serious spot.
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Tell us about your family.
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Your family is very important
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to you.
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Where are they from and,
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you know, how did you move to
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Winnipeg?
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>> Yeah, so my parents were born
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in Kenya.
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They travelled all around the
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world, like, so many places that
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they probably haven't even told
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me all the place that they've
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been to, so...
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Yeah, they moved to America
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and settled in Minnesota.
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That's where they got married.
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And then they had me and then
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they also had my siblings there,
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following, like, two, three
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years after.
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So we are, like, from several
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places, well, my parents are
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from several places.
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Me, I was just born in
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Minnesota.
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And then at some point my dad
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was like, "It's time to move out
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of here," so...
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...we packed our stuff and we
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moved to Manitoba when I was
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around seven years, six, seven
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years old.
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>> And they're very important
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to you, you're very close
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as a family?
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[RAMOGI] Mm-hm, extremely close
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as a family.
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Like, we talk about everything,
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I tell them about everything.
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It took a while for me to, like,
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start opening up, though.
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As you know, teenagers, they
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have all this hormone stuff
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that's going on and stuff
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like that.
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But sort of broke through that
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and was able to talk to my
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parents about certain things
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that I'm doing in my life and
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able to talk to my siblings and
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being able to give them advice
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and hear their stories and stuff
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like that.
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So we have definitely grown
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close over the years.
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>> So Ramogi, your family is
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really critical to your
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identity.
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How important is your church and
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your faith to your identity?
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[RAMOGI] It's probably the exact
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same as my family because they
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have established me in the
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church.
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I was baptized when I was,
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what was I, 13?
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Yeah, I was a very young age
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when I was baptized it means the
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exact same thing.
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God is a very important aspect
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in my life because He's brought
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me to the point in which I am
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here today that I don't think
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anyone else could have ever
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helped  me with that.
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And I don't attribute anything
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that I've done to myself because
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I, realistically I've done
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nothing, it's all God.
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And I just want to-- I just
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thank my parents for that, for
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establishing me in this church
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or in the Seventh-day Adventist
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Church to be able to understand
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that it's not me, it's God.
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>> And what about the Sabbath,
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Ramogi?
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[RAMOGI] Sabbath?
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Sabbath is a very important
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thing.
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It seems that this commandment
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is the one that is neglected a
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lot, but then also highlighted a
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lot that the only commandment
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that people don't follow.
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And it's a very interesting,
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like, argument around the
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Christian world.
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And I just feel like it's
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important to find that rest,
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find that time where you can be
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able to reset yourself and find
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yourself in God.
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So I see the Seventh Day as a
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very important thing in my life.
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[MIKE] Let's go back to
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basketball.
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When did you first begin
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playing basketball?
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At what age?
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>> It was probably, I would say,
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two or three years after I moved
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to Manitoba.
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I was originally a
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football player,
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but my dad saw that I
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was gonna be extremely tall and
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they said, "There's no way that
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you're playing football."
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And my mom did not like the
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concussions and the injuries
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there, even though I kept
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pressing over it and saying that
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"Oh, I can do it, I can do it,"
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but she said no.
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So I moved to basketball and
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I've been training since I was
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nine, ten, but not necessarily
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with a trainer, just doing my
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own thing, just running around
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shooting the basketball.
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I haven't actually had, like,
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professional training done with
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me, so all that I've learned and
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all I've done is by myself.
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And yeah, the hoop at the front
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of my house, so... [laughs]
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>> Your dad was a basketball
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player?
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[RAMOGI] Yeah, he was, yeah.
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So was my mom, too.
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He said that he was one of the
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best in Kenya.
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I still don't believe it.
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[Mike laughs]
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So I need to see, like, actual
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newspapers and stuff like that
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before I actually believe him,
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say that he was one of the best.
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Well, my uncle, so he said he
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was better than my dad, that I
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don't even-- I don't believe
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that even more, so...
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I'm gonna have to ask the family
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around to see if it's actually
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true or if they're just lying
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to me.
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>> My name is Robert Nyagudi and
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I am Ramogi's Father.
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My wife is not here with me.
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My wife is-- her name is Martha.
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And we are originally from
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Kenya, moved to the United
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States.
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So we've lived in the United
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States for a number of years and
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then moved to Canada.
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My family, we have a family in
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Kenya and I have a brother in
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Winnipeg here with me and I have
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other family members in Sweden.
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And so we somehow spread all
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over, but family is very
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important to us, certainly
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important to me and my own
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family, my children, my wife,
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are very key in my life.
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I really love them.
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I love my wife and my children
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and I would like to make sure
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that I am always in their lives.
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I played basketball.
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I played basketball in
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high school.
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I went to an Adventist school
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called Kamagambo High School,
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and I played basketball there.
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I would like to believe that I
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was a very good basketballer,
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but I didn't go as far as
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perhaps Ramogi is now headed,
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where he is headed.
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I know my brother did play
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college basketball and he was
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pretty good.
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He was better than me, but I
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would like to believe that I'm
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better than him.
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So you know, basketball has
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become now part of our lives as
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Ramogi starts to play
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basketball, travelling with him,
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watching his games.
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My younger son
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plays basketball.
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My daughter, she struggles
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whether she wants to play
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basketball or she loves
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volleyball, so she's in between.
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So in our family, basketball is
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definitely something that, you
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know, brings us all together.
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>> Ramogi, can you tell us about
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your accomplishments in
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basketball?
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[RAMOGI] Yeah, so just recently
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we won the provincial
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championship for my high school
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at St. Paul's and I also got the
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MVP and all-star for that, for
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the game and the whole season.
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I also got Player of the Year
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award for that season, for all
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of Manitoba.
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And then also we won last year,
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too, provincial champions again.
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That's the game I did not play
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because it was on Saturday and
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the timing and all that just did
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not work out, so...
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I was a bit sad to not play in
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that game, but I'm glad that
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we won.
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And also I was selected for Team
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Canada last year, U17, but I
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didn't really make the team
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because of the fact that most of
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the games are on Saturday.
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But if that was not the case, I
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would have played for last year
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in Spain and this year I also
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got selected for U19, which was
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two years up.
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Sadly I got cut, but it's-- it
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was a great experience to be
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able to play against players
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that were going into D1 colleges
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right after.
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Also having, like, NBA talent in
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that realm, too.
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So it was quite interesting,
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so...
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I've been blessed over the past
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couple of years basketball-wise,
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yeah.
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[RENÉ] That must've been quite a
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challenge for you, playing with
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two levels higher.
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You said U19.
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So that must have been quite
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challenging for you.
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>> Yeah.
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Mentally, physically, they're a
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lot bigger, a lot stronger
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than me.
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And being able to hold my own
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was quite interesting.
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And the fact that I actually
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couldn't hold my own in that
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environment.
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>> So it's very demanding
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on you.
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Do you enjoy the game?
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[RAMOGI] Oh, I love the game.
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I love playing it, I love being
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around it, I love talking it.
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I love everything in that
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aspect.
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Like, there's a lot of things
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that people would say that would
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not allow me to enjoy the game,
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but at the end of the day, it's
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one of the things that clears my
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head, it's one of the things
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that allows me peace within all
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the destruction and stuff in
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this world.
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So I really enjoy the game.
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[RENÉ] So you're playing it to
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de-stress too, and you're having
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fun at the same time.
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[RAMOGI] Mm-hm.
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It's more like a two-in-one
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thing.
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So yeah, I really enjoy it.
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>> Ramogi, you mentioned that
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faith is critical to your
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identity.
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Are there any Bible characters
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that you can identify with?
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>> Yeah, the three Hebrew boys
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my dad mentions to you.
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I do relate with them because
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they, like me, have been thrown
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into fire because of the stuff
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that they did.
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They did not bow down and
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worship the idol.
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I did not play on Saturday.
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I was put in the situation where
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I had to choose between faith or
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basketball and...
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...I feel like they have a lot
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in common with what I?done.
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Just not to their severity of
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the situation, but for me it's--
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I feel like it's similar.
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>> My son identifies with these
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three characters Shadrach,
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Meshach, and Abednego, perhaps
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mostly because I talk about it
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quite a bit.
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And also because I see his life
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mirroring the same kind of
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situation.
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But also the reason why I talk
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about it is because my mother
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talked to us about it, talked to
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me specifically about it, and
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she didn't-- not lose or she did
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not miss a chance every time to
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let us know that times are gonna
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be hard and there are times that
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you're gonna be tested and there
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are times that you're gonna be
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facing somewhere a fiery furnace
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And that could be in different
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kind of situations.
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It may not be a fire, but it
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might be your job, it might be
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your career, it might be
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something that you have to
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choose between serving God and
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serving man or something else,
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whatever it is.
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Ramogi has an important decision
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to make in his life as he
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continues to play basketball.
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There are decisions that we will
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have to make because some of
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these games are played on the
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Sabbath.
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Will he play on the Sabbath?
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That will be a decision that he
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will have to make.
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And prayerfully we will consider
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this with, you know, praying for
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him, there are a lot of people
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who are praying for him to make
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this decision, to make the right
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decision.
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And so just like Shadrach,
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Meshach, and Abednego, who were
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put in a position where they had
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to make a choice, but they were
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more resolute.
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They talked to the king with a
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lot of respect, but they were
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more resolved.
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They said, "Oh, King, we don't
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have to, you know, argue about
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this matter with you.
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We are decided.
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It is not a matter of us arguing
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within our minds, whether
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negotiating within our minds
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this is resolve."
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So I pray that the Lord will
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impress upon Ramogi to be just
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like Shadrach, Meshach, and
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Abednego, having resolutely made
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that decision that they will not
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bow down, but they will
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serve God.
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I had to make that decision
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about Sabbath many different
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times.
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One that I can remember right
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now is about my job.
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I had to give up my job because
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of the Sabbath.
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I had a boss who, first of all,
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when I got into this company, I
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was not necessarily working on
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the Sabbath, I would work after
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the Sabbath.
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I would work all the Sundays
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because I was available just
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because I needed the Sabbath.
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And at some point a new boss
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came in.
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And when this new boss came in,
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he asked me why I'm not working
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those hours.
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And I did explain to him that
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this was something that we had
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made an arrangement with the,
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you know, previous
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administrator.
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But he made the decision that we
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are-- I'm gonna have to work on
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those hours and I said no.
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And he gave me some time.
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He said, "I'm gonna give you two
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weeks to think about it."
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And I told him, "I don't need
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two weeks.
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This is a decision that had been
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made long time ago before I even
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came to this company."
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But he went ahead and just told
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me, "You go to think about it."
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So a week after he comes to me
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and asks me, "Have you made this
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decision yet?
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Is there anything that you have
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decided?" and I said "This
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decision had been made.
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I am not thinking about it."
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And he told me, "Whichever way,
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I still give you another week."
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That week rolls in and he asks
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me the last day, he said, he
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comes to me and he asks me,
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"This is the last day, what are
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you gonna to do?" and I said,
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"I'm ready to go now if you want
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me to go, but the decision was
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made already."
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So he told me, "It's all up
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to you."
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I said, "Well, so if you want me
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to go, I can go now, or I can
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finish my shift and then go."
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And he told me, "It's all up
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to you."
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And then I finished my shift and
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I walked out that job.
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I wrapped up everything,
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balanced all the accounts,
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and I walked out of that job
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and never turned back.
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And so, yes, I have gone through
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this and I believe that many
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Christian, Sabbath-keeping
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Christians who are facing such
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kind of things, and Ramogi will
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face it, too.
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[MIKE] So you got conflicting
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loves going on in your life.
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You love your family, you love
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your church, your faith, you
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love God, and you love
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basketball.
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How does that work?
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What does that look like?
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If you were asked, how would you
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define the word, "love," and
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what does that look like
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in action?
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[RAMOGI] Yeah, that's a tough
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question, but...
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...I'd say sacrifice
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because for all of those things,
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I had to sacrifice something.
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For my family I had to sacrifice
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my time, for basketball I had to
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sacrifice my physicality, my
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mental strength.
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For God I to have to sacrifice
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the world.
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There's so many things in this
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world that are attractive, but I
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have to sacrifice that to know
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that because God is the one
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thing in my life that is really
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the most important, towering
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over all of the stuff that you
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just mentioned.
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So sacrifice is the most
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important, for love.
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>> I really like that answer.
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Sacrifice is really dying to
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self, isn't it?
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And putting that as number one.
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I like the fact that you put God
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in the centre spot, right, like
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in the top position because
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we're talking about eternity
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and...
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...good answer.
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Ramogi, how much do you
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sacrifice of your time when
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you're not at school to play
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basketball?
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[RAMOGI] It's a lot of hours.
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The math is too hard for me to
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do in my head so I'll just think
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about it in a day.
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So I play Sunday to Friday and
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the summer, I'm normally playing
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by myself so I'm out in the
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driveway, so I would probably do
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one hour in, one hour inside,
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one hour back again, one hour
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inside.
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So I'd say, like, half my day
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I'm just spending playing
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basketball outside and that's
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for six days in the week.
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So add that up for three months.
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[MIKE] Yeah.
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>> It's significant amount of
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basketball that I'm playing.
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>> So there's a lot of energy
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being expended there.
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I'm guessing the time that
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you're inside you're eating.
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[RAMOGI] Mm-hm.
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[laughter]
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>> You put a lot of time.
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[RAMOGI] Yeah.
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>> And it's a big bill for your
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parents, right?
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>> Oh, yeah, significantly it
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is, yeah.
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>> What about cross-training,
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Ramogi?
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Do you spend a lot of time in
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the gym?
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>> Not as of recent, but I know
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that I'm gonna have to do a lot
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more of lifting during the
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summer and do a lot more running
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to help keep my stamina up.
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Because that's the one thing
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that coaches enjoy about me is
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the fact that I can just run
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back and forth forever, so...
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That's-- I need to start doing
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that in the next couple weeks,
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next couple of months.
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So yeah.
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>> Ramogi, earlier on you
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mentioned the three Hebrew boys
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in the Bible and it reminds me
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of the rich young ruler who came
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to Jesus wanting eternal life
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and Jesus offered him a place on
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His team of disciples.
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But Jesus told him that he had
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to sell everything he had, take
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that money and give it to the
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poor and then he would have a
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place on His team of disciples.
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Can you relate to this story?
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[RAMOGI] I mean, not to the
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money-wise, but I can relate to
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this story as giving up
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basketball, because I'll look at
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that and people will say that
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that's easy.
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Just give it up because you
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know you have eternal life.
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But being in that position of
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having both, it's kind of a hard
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thing to weigh out your
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decisions because you have all
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this, all these personal things
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that you have, giving that away
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to something in the unknown.
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As humans, we don't really think
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of going into something unknown
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unless you're an adventurist or
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crazy, might I say it.
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But it's kind of hard to be able
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to put someone in a position to
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be able to put-- give everything
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away to go follow something that
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you don't really know.
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So yeah, it's a hard thing for
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people who have to go through
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that and since I'm have to go
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through it, it's kind of hard
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for me, too.
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>> And I guess the more you
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accomplish or the more you have,
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it doesn't matter, like you
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said, it doesn't have to be
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money, but it could just be a
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talent like you have in
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basketball and you have all
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these accomplishments and...
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...I guess the more famous you
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become, the more difficult it
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is, too, to give that all up.
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>> Yeah, it is.
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It really is.
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>> My fears as a father is that
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perhaps Ramogi will come to this
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crossroad and choose...
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...away from God.
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And not just Ramogi, my other
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kids, that they will choose a
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path that would not please God.
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And when I look at that, it
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scares me, but I have no control
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of their lives.
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God has control of their lives.
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And my fear also as a father and
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as a husband, is that I'm gonna
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have to deal with some of these
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things and not knowing how to
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deal with them.
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So I really pray that the Lord
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will give me the strength to
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allow my children to make those
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decisions while I pray for them.
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And I know they are so many
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people, so many people who are
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praying for us, so many people
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who are caring for us, so many
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people who care for my family.
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And I love that.
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>> So as far as accomplishments
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go, Ramogi, how far would you
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like to go?
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What would you like to
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accomplish in terms of
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basketball?
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>> I want to go as far as to get
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into the NBA Hall of Fame,
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because some people want to cap
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it off at D1 College or some
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want to cap it off at playing in
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the NBA.
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I want to go as far as playing
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with the greats and being in the
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goal conversation of the greats.
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And then again, I also want to
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play the best that I could
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possibly play.
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And if that's to be able to get
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into the NBA or play D1, then
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that's what it is.
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And I'm grateful that I can be
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able to even say that as
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a basketball player.
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>> So, Ramogi, final question.
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What are your dreams and what
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would you like to accomplish
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apart from basketball?
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[RAMOGI] I just want to give a
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positive influence into
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the world.
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The world, there's not a lot of
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good people around that are
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trying to have the best interest
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for people.
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I want to be able to make sure
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that people have someone that
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they can look up to that has a
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good interest in what they want
00:23:36.85\00:23:38.95
in their life and show God in
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the-- in that realm, too.
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But also, aside from basketball,
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I also want to become a doctor,
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family doctor specifically,
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because I enjoy all the
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sciences.
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I'm taking all the sciences
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right now.
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It's difficult, but I do enjoy
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being able to understand the
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human body because there's so
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many interesting things
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about it.
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I just look at it and say that
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how can something so small in
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this earth that God created be
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able to have all these different
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functions, all these different
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things a part of it.
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And I see all these things about
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the evolution and stuff like
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that, I-- there's so many
00:24:20.52\00:24:22.22
questions that I can ask about
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it and I just enjoy the fact
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that I can ask those questions.
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>> Ramogi, you are very wise for
00:24:27.60\00:24:30.83
your age and very calm and I
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just enjoy talking to you.
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Before we let you go, I wonder
00:24:35.67\00:24:37.91
if you could pray for
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our viewers.
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There may be someone who's
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looking at their lives and
00:24:42.78\00:24:43.85
thinking, you know, God isn't
00:24:43.85\00:24:45.51
really relevant, He's not
00:24:45.51\00:24:47.18
personal in my life.
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And maybe you could pray for
00:24:48.05\00:24:49.68
people like that, our viewers
00:24:49.68\00:24:51.82
who-- that they may get that
00:24:51.82\00:24:54.62
sense that God is relevant and
00:24:54.62\00:24:56.52
personally desires to be
00:24:56.52\00:24:58.26
involved in their life right
00:24:58.26\00:24:59.89
now, as He did with people in
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Bible times.
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>> Mm-hm, alright.
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Yeah, I can do that.
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Let's pray.
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Dear Heavenly Father, thank you
00:25:05.90\00:25:07.00
for this day.
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Thank you for everybody that is
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watching this stream, Lord.
00:25:09.37\00:25:11.14
I just wanna pray that as we are
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able to grow as Christians, we
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can be able to understand You,
00:25:17.91\00:25:19.18
Lord, and we can also be able to
00:25:19.18\00:25:20.65
choose You and discern good from
00:25:20.65\00:25:23.65
evil, Lord.
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I just want to pray for each and
00:25:24.65\00:25:25.95
every individual that is
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watching this, that they can be
00:25:27.09\00:25:29.06
able to make that own
00:25:29.06\00:25:30.36
discernment for themselves,
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Lord.
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And I just pray that as we're
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coming to the end, I just want
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to pray that You are in
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everybody's lives, Lord.
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I pray that You are with me and
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with everybody that is going
00:25:45.21\00:25:46.44
through their own different
00:25:46.44\00:25:48.61
problems, Lord.
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I pray all these things in
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Jesus' name, amen.
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[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen.
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>> Ramogi, thank you so much for
00:25:53.38\00:25:55.15
joining us on It Is Written
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Canada today.
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>> Thank you for having me.
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>> I just want to thank all
00:27:53.60\00:27:56.67
the family members and church
00:27:56.67\00:27:59.81
family that has supported us
00:27:59.81\00:28:01.58
over the years.
00:28:01.58\00:28:03.11
I want to thank my wife for
00:28:03.11\00:28:05.38
being strong, for being there
00:28:05.38\00:28:08.15
for us.
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There are times that I have
00:28:09.28\00:28:10.62
agonized about which direction
00:28:10.62\00:28:12.89
this would go.
00:28:12.89\00:28:13.99
I just want to thank God,
00:28:14.59\00:28:16.32
because I have people who are
00:28:16.32\00:28:18.13
praying for us, you know, family
00:28:18.13\00:28:20.10
members who are praying for us,
00:28:20.10\00:28:22.06
my mother, who is constantly
00:28:22.06\00:28:23.50
praying for us.
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And I just want everyone to
00:28:24.70\00:28:27.64
know that we're just a normal
00:28:27.64\00:28:29.40
family who love God.
00:28:29.40\00:28:31.87
And we have a great support from
00:28:32.54\00:28:34.91
the church family and Henderson
00:28:34.91\00:28:36.85
Highway and others around the
00:28:36.85\00:28:39.15
world.
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What I want is to hear those
00:28:40.35\00:28:43.62
words, those beautiful words,
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"Welcome, well done, good and
00:28:45.75\00:28:48.42
faithful servant."
00:28:48.42\00:28:49.92
I am dreaming of that for my son
00:28:51.19\00:28:53.83
and for my family.
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