>> Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada, thank you for
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joining us.
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Kintsugi is a 500-year-old
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Japanese practice of taking old
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broken pottery and carefully
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gluing each fragment together
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using the sticky sap of an
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indigenous Japanese tree.
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[RENČ] After weeks of letting
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the glued-together pieces of
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pottery dry, the cracks are
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then sealed, using a nacre
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mixture permeated with powdered
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gold, real gold which
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highlights the imperfections
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rather than hiding them so that
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the final piece of pottery ends
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up looking more beautiful than
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if it had never been broken.
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>> "Joining with gold,"
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kintsugi, this centuries old
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Japanese art is more than an
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aesthetic appreciation of the
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beauty of brokenness, it also
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speaks to our human condition in
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this world filled with broken
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people who can be healed only by
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the hand of the Divine Artist.
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>> The Bible records the
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Psalmist's own kintsugi
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experience.
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>> Today our special guest is
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Mario Roque, a successful
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businessman in the
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house-building industry.
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Mario had come to a place where
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he felt like his life was
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broken, like a worthless, old,
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shattered piece of pottery.
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[RENČ] Mario described his life
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at that time of deepest despair
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as a very difficult personal,
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emotional, financial, and
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relational mess.
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"At that time," he says, "I was
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operating a company that was
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two million dollars in the hole.
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I was also separated from my
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second wife and I was not a
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happy person."
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>> In a moment we'll let Mario
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tell you how his time of
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deepest despair was, in fact,
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his greatest blessing.
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>> Welcome back to It Is
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Written Canada.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Our special guest this week is
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Mario Roque, who was going
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through the deepest time of
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despair in his life and can you
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imagine, he had two young boys
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and at the age of 50, he had to
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move in with his parents.
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>> Mario is gonna share with us
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how he found joy during his
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time of deepest despair.
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Mario, thank you for joining us
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on It Is Written Canada.
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>> You're welcome.
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Glad to be here.
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>> Mario, you came from very
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humble origins.
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Can you take us back to your
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childhood and tell us what it
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was like?
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>> Yes, I was born and I grew
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up in a group of islands called
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the Azores, which is about 800
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miles before Europe, in the
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middle of the Atlantic.
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I was there till I was
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11 years old.
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It was a very poor place
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at the time.
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I remember it was in the '50's
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that I grew up there, I was
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born in '46, came to Canada
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when I was 11, and I remember
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it being very primitive.
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We had no shoes, we cooked with
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wood and I remember my mother
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would really work hard because
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she would have to go and gather
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the wood in forests that she
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was allowed to go and scavenge
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as well as they had done some
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lumber projects where they cut
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lumber down and she was allowed
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to go and dig stumps.
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So we would have to carry that
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home, cut it up so we could
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have fire to cook our meals.
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The corn would have to be
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ground, but my mother would
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have to walk to another town
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where there was a windmill and
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take 5 hours, walk through the
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mountains when she got there,
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if it was too calm, there was
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no wind, she would have to come
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back and go back the next day.
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That's how backward, that's how
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primitive it was.
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We had no radio, no newspapers,
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nothing.
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We never heard any foreign
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language, absolutely no phones,
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nothing.
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So that was difficult for my
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parents and as a child, for me
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it was fine.
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We had two lakes there, we had
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a lot of fun playing in the
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water, although I didn't learn
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to swim till I got here, but it
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was fun, we played in the
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forest and, you know, I'd lay
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down, look at the clouds.
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I was an only child.
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My parents really treated me,
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like my father would say, like
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baby Jesus.
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[laughs]
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Yeah.
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[MIKE] So then, Mario, you
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ended up coming to Canada, your
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whole family came to Canada and
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you were quite young.
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How did that change your life?
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[MARIO] Well, I've never given
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much thought.
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At the time I was young, I went
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to school here, and it was a
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little bit difficult, I got
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blamed for everything 'cause I
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couldn't speak English, but--
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and I got in trouble a lot, but
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I was quite creative even
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back then.
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I got let go from school.
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I didn't do anything, actually,
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but I was part of a group of
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people that had done something,
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I was just standing there and
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didn't know what I was doing, I
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did nothing, got sent home, had
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to bring my mother, my mother
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was working and we had someone
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who'd just come from the old
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country, absolutely no English,
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I took her to school and say,
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"Here's my mother." [laughs]
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So she didn't understand a word
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they said, I went back
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to school.
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>> How did you get into the
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house-building business?
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And how did your success come
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in that field?
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[MARIO] Well, I was very naive
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and I believed whatever people
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said so at one time I was-- I
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quit school, actually, I almost
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became a chemist, I went two
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and a half years to university
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to become a chemist.
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I quit and I was-- I went to
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the public library and there
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was a book there that said,
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"How To Make A Million Dollars
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in Real Estate," I thought,
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"Wow, somebody can tell me how
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to make a million dollars?"
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[laughs]
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So I borrowed the book,
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actually, I never did return
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it, but I didn't practice
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anything they said.
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I told my mechanic about this
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book that I was reading, he
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said, "Oh, go see a friend of
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mine, Bruno.
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He's is in real estate."
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So I became a realtor.
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After being a realtor for a few
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months, I saw some realty
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people selling new homes and I
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saw that they sold quickly and
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I thought, "I'd like to get
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into that business."
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I didn't have any money, I
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borrowed $20,000 at the time, I
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told everybody, "I'm gonna go
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into the house-building
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business."
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Before you knew it, I had 13
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partners at $20,000 apiece,
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which would be equal to about
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$200,000 each today.
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And that's how I got started.
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>> So you were quite an
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entrepreneur, I mean, the house
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that we're filming at right now
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is your house, this whole
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neighbourhood, you know, you've
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been very active in building,
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you know, 65% of the homes in
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this area.
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You had an entrepreneurial
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skill, how how young were you
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when you started?
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[MARIO] I was 27.
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[MIKE] Twenty-seven.
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[MARIO] This was really my--
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after quitting school, I became
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a taxi driver.
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Within a year and a half I had
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two taxis that I owned, but I
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didn't really like the
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business, everything, my
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language, everything was going
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downhill so I sold and then got
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into real estate at the
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age of 27.
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I used to think that if I made
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a million dollars I'd be happy
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because I was a very unhappy
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person, and in my early
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thirties I achieved that.
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That was a long time ago,
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that'd be like five or ten
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million today, right?
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So-- but I was still very
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unhappy.
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As a matter of fact, by the
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time I made my first million, I
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was actually upset because I
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was wrong, that it would not
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make me happy.
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So...yeah.
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>> What did bring happiness
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to you?
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[MARIO] I think I did very well
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for a number of years and then
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in my late forties, the economy
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turned in my business, I also
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went through a really rough
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time personally...
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and...
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I was 50 years old,
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I was running a business that
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that was two million dollars
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in the hole, that'd be like
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eight or ten million dollars
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today.
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I had borrowed everything that
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my parents had, as a matter of
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fact, the Ontario New Home
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Warranty Program, it was called
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at the time, wanted to revoke
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my license.
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They asked me if I had any
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other assets, so my parents
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actually signed their house as
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a guarantee for me to continue.
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I could not fail, my parents
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would die, I was an only child,
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they trusted me, they believed
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in me, they loved me and they
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never knew to what extent of
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the struggle I was going
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through, I protected them
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from that, but...
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I always-- I had done it
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before and I believed I could
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do it again.
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So I never got discouraged, but
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it was just very, very
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difficult running a business
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like that, again, alone by
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myself.
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My first wife had committed
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suicide, she was-- suffered
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from depression, the second
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one was a big mistake, I rushed
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into it too quickly, it was
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really, really bad.
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So...but at the age of 50,
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as I was in deepest despair at
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the time.
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So three people actually told
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me to go to this church in
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Toronto.
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I had been raised in the church,
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I was an altar boy and all that,
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but I didn't know anything
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about God.
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I believe there was a God.
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As a matter of fact, when I was
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a very young child, I'd look
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where they would keep the
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[unintelligible], this little,
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I forget what it's called now,
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and I thought, "Wow, God lives
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there." [laughs]
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That's all I-- but I did believe
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there was a God, I didn't wanna
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have anything to do with Him
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because I liked my habits that I
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knew they were wrong, but...
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So three people actually told me
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to go to this church in Toronto
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at that time, it's when I was 50
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years old, and I went and I
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still remember the very first
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day was on a Sunday night and
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there was a lot of people there
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on a Sunday night.
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And they asked anybody that's
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suffering from depression, put
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their hand up so I put my hand
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up and we prayed for the people
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had their hands up.
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They asked, "Anybody want to
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give their life to the Lord to
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come to the front," I was there
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with someone, they said, "Why
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don't you go?" so I went.
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I had no clue what that meant.
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Zero.
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So they prayed this little
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prayer, they asked me to repeat
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it, I did, they took me
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to the back.
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I still remember the fellow's--
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I have a very poor memory about
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most things, but I still remembe
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his name was Grant, and he
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explained to me why Jesus died
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on the cross, to bridge the gap
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between man and God and He gave
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me this tiny little book of
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three pages, an inch square and
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all that it had was a man on
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one side and a valley, there
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was a cross on the other side,
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which was also flat, was God
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was-- so he explained it to me
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that way.
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He gave me a little Bible, the
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New Testament, prayed for me, I
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left, and I knew something had
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changed.
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But I was really excited what
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was going on in that church, I
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was telling everybody, I told
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Rick, who is now our praise and
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worship leader at the church,
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and we went to the back
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together on Wednesday and this
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time someone prayed for me at
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the end of the service.
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But I was already in love with
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God, I was praising and
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worshiping God, and I was in--
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felt like there was a presence
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in me already.
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Someone prayed for me, I fell
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down, fell backwards.
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I don't-- nobody touched me, I
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know, they only prayed for me,
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like, for two seconds.
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When I was laying down, I just
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started laughing.
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I hadn't laughed or cried in
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years, I was just-- I had a very
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sad, hard life, emotionally and
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personally and financially.
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I laughed and I laughed so loud
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that I think the windows shook
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and it was a huge place, it
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used to be a convention center.
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I like laughing, so I laughed
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so loud and I laughed-- I was
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the only one laughing, but I
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didn't care 'cause they said,
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"If you're in the spirit,
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go with it."
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So I did, I just laughed and
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after a while I stopped
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laughing and I thought, "I
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wonder if I pray, if I can
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laugh some more."
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I didn't know how to pray, so I
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thought maybe I remember the
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"Our Father, " so "Our Father
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who art in heaven," again I
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started laughing really loud.
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Next morning I woke up, I was
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telling Greg, "God is real, God
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is real."
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All I wanted to do was read my
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Bible, all I wanted to do was
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tell people about God, I stopped
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going to work, [laughs]
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I stopped leading the company,
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I couldn't care less. [laughs]
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I thought, "Okay, it's gonna
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take some loss even though we
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weren't doing well at the time,
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I thought, "There's gonna be a
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light at the end of the tunnel
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here," so I just started talking
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to people about God, I bought
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Bibles, gave them away to
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everybody I met, and that was
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my first experience with God
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and I had many, back then in
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particular, they were very
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overwhelming for me.
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As I was reading my Bible,
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it was so overwhelming I had to
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stop and go have a cigarette
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[laughs] because I couldn't
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take it, it was just
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overwhelming me.
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So those are just some of the
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experiences I had with God back
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then and it's transformed my
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life, it's...
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I kept on going back to this
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church...
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for a long time.
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I would go two, three times
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a week.
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My parents thought I was up to
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no good 'cause I'd come home
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very late at night so they
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called my cousin to ask me
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questions.
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She said, "He's doing fine."
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Then they asked the priest and
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after I told them my story he
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says, "I wish I had more
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parishioners like you."
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[laughs]
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So it was the beginning of my
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transformation.
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>> So, Mario, you had this very
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meaningful encounter, personal
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encounter, with God where you
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knew that God was real to you.
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He has taken you a long way on
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your journey.
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How did he get you to where you
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are today?
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[MARIO] Well, originally when I
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had encounters with God and
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experience with God, which were
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many, especially in the
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beginning, I was going to that
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original church in Toronto.
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It had many names over the
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years from "Toronto Airport
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Christian Fellowship" to "The
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Vineyard" to "The Toronto
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Blessing."
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And so I went there for perhaps
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about six months, and then I
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went back to the church where I
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grew up in, and I was there for
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a while and then I started
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going to a few other churches
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just to see what was the
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difference and at one point
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actually I ended up joining a
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All Nations Full Gospel Church,
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which was all Africans, I was
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the only white person in there,
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and I was there for a number of
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months.
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And I enjoyed being there, I
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was learning a few things, and
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then I actually founded--
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funded a house church.
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I was living in a room because
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I couldn't afford anything, but
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I bought a fairly new house,
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four bedrooms, double car
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garage, leased this person a
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car that was gonna start
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this house church so we were
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there for over a year, I learned
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a lot, experienced a lot, and
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then I was disillusioned with
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that and I thought, "Enough
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bouncing around, I'm gonna make
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the right decision now so I'm
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gonna go to a few churches and
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take my time."
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I had gone actually to the
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Adventist Church two or three
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times.
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A good friend of mine at the
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time was the head elder of the
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church that I'm at presently now
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and so I, again, I went to
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this house church and then I
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left and it took a few months
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to make up my mind.
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I went back to the Adventist
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Church, it was called "Living
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Word" at the time, it's now
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called "Really Living" in
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Hamilton.
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So I went back there and I
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noticed that I was still
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troubled so-- but-- and I had a
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hard time going, but I forced
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myself to go.
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I noticed every time they'd go,
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I'd walk out and I was feeling
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better.
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And after being there a few
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weeks, I realized that because
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I had read the Bible a lot, I
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mean, for hours on end, and I
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recognized that the truth was
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being taught there.
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And I gave a testimony at the
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front of the church saying
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that, "Truth is being taught
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here, I'm glad I'm here and I'm
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here for life."
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And I made up my mind fairly
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quickly on that.
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I was actually upset, I hardly
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ever get angry, but I was angry
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at the church I grew up with
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because I thought, "I'm a
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sinner, how can they teach me
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to sin some more?" and I was
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really upset with that.
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Of course, I'm much more
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accepting, over a period of
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time, I had kind of made peace
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with all that.
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But I have been a Seventh-day
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Adventist now for about 18 or
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19 years out of the 26 years
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that I had this first
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experience with God.
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Yeah.
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>> So during your walk with
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Adventism, you learned about
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the truth and you probably
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spent a lot of time reading
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your Bible, so do you have a
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favourite Bible verse?
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>> You know, I used to think--
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I've got two actually, but one
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is that "Come to Me all you who
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are weary and I will give you
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rest," but my favourite really
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is that God's presence, there's
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fullness of joy because I never
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had joy all my life till I was
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in my fifties, that's where it
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started and I'm such a
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different person today than I
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used to be.
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I was a sad person, I was not
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happy with life, there was
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something missing, and I'm just
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so glad that I found the truth
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and like the Lord says, "The
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truth will set you free," and
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that's-- I've been set free
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from a lot of negative
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influences in my life.
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I remember the very first time
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I went back to church at that
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initial church that I went to,
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they played the song Amazing
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Grace, and that was talking
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about me. [chuckles]
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"Saved a wretch like me."
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So it's become my
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favourite song.
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As a matter of fact, I'd like
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to play it at my funeral.
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[chuckles]
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Because God has been so
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gracious to me that not a day
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goes by that I'm not so
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grateful for all that He's done
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for me.
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And I'm not talking about the
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financial aspect which has been
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a huge blessing.
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Like Job, I lost everything,
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but I've gotten back ten times
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more.
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But what He's done for me
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personally is just super
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amazing, the peace that I have,
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the fulfillment in life that I
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have, the acceptance I have of
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whatever happens around me
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doesn't troubled me anymore.
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And it's all in God's hands and
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I'm so, so grateful that God
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has been so gracious to me and
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I believe He wants to be
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gracious like that with
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everyone.
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[SOUND OF RUSHING WATER]
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[WOMAN SINGING] ¤ Amazing grace
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¤ How sweet the sound ¤
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¤ That saved a wretch ¤
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¤ Like me ¤
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¤ I once was lost ¤
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¤ But now I'm found ¤
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¤ Was blind but now ¤
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¤ I see ¤
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¤ T'was grace that taught ¤
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¤ my heart to fear ¤
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¤ And grace my fears relieved ¤
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¤ How precious did ¤
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¤ that grace appear ¤
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¤ The hour I first believed ¤
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¤ When we've been there ¤
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¤ ten thousand years ¤
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¤ Bright shining as the sun ¤
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¤ We've no less days ¤
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¤ To sing God's praise ¤
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¤ Than when we first begun ¤
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>> Mario I know you have been a
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seeker all your life, why were
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you always seeking?
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[MARIO] I was seeking because I
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was a very unhappy person and I
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knew that there was more than
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what I had.
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So my first experience was, I
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remember, while I was at
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university, I read Maslow's
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Hierarchy of Needs and the
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first one being basic needs of
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life food, clothing and
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shelter, and the fifth one
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being self actualization.
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I had no clue what that meant.
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So I seek in a number of ways,
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my first way of seeking Him
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was, of course, through
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business, I thought if I'm
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successful and I have enough
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money, I don't have to worry
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about life.
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That didn't work.
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Then I started-- and I would
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read a lot about business, then
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I started reading a lot about
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psychology so try to understand
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why.
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That didn't work.
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Then I started reading New Age
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books, read a lot of them at
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the time.
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That didn't work.
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Nothing changed.
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So I was seeking for this
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happiness in life that nothing
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else satisfied and then, of
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course, that happened when I
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found God, because God was
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always there for me, but I was
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avoiding Him.
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>> Has the seeking stopped for
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you or has it continue to grow?
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[MARIO] Well, no, it never
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stops. [laughs]
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How could it stop, I mean, you
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want to know Christ at a deeper
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level, you wanna have a deeper
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relationship with Him, you want
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to know what He's like, you
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want to communicate with Him,
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and how can you unless you
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continue to seek?
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So that's my daily practice, is
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to seek every day.
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>> Has it made you happier?
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Have you found more joy?
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[MARIO] Oh, and can't you tell?
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[laughter]
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I never used to smile.
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As a matter of fact, I remember
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one of my clients said, "You
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have a very poker face,"
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because I never changed my
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expression.
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So, of course, it's changed me
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dramatically.
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I have joy in my life, I have
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peace in my life, I have
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something to look forward.
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I have everything I need.
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The only thing I need more is
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that deeper relationship with
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Christ, nothing else.
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>> Mario, next week we want you
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to come back again and tell us
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about how you serve God daily
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and all the miracles that you
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have witnessed.
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>> So we've come to the end of
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our time together, and I wonder
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if, Mario, you could pray for
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our viewers.
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Maybe there's someone who's
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watching, who's in a moment,
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for them, that is their time of
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deepest despair, but pray for
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them that they will know that
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Jesus is very near and that
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this can be actually a time of
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great blessing for them, as it
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was for you.
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[MARIO] Heavenly Father,
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You've done miracles in my life
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and You've done so many miracles
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in so many people that
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I have known.
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Heavenly Father, You can heal
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all people, whether it's
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financial, emotional,
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spiritual, relational.
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I pray that You have confidence
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in the Lord, that He is near
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you, that He is-- wants to heal
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you, He wants to give you a
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better life, that You give 'em
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some peace, the peace that
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You've given me and so many
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other people that I've known,
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because You're a God of
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miracles.
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We thank You for those You will
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touch today by listening to
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this Lord, in Jesus name, amen.
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[MIKE] Amen.
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Thank you very much, Mario, for
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being with us, we look forward
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to spending time with you again
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next week.
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So you could see Him working in
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other people's lives
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through you.
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So we look forward to that.
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>> See you next week.
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>> Mario had been studying the
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Bible for years on his own so
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he was able to see the truth
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when it was taught to him.
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>> You too, can understand God's
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word for yourself with our free
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Bible study guides.
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>> Whether you want to learn
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the major teachings of God's
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Word, or Bible prophecy, we can
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assist you to find answers for
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how to face the issues and
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challenges that you deal with
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every day.
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>> Friends, if you want the
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kind of joy that Mario
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experienced, we recommend that
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you open this book, the Bible,
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where it is recorded that Jesus
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found His joy and confidence to
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overcome temptation through the
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Word of His Father when He
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declared, "It is written, 'Man
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shall not live by bread alone,
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but by every word that proceeds
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out of the mouth of God.'"
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