>> Hello and thank you for
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joining us on It Is Written
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Canada. You may have heard of
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the Welsh actor, director,
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producer, composer, and
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painter Sir Anthony Hopkins,
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recipient of the Most
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Excellent Order of the British
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Empire, an Academy Award, two
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Emmys, and the Cecil B.
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DeMille Award, a star on the
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Hollywood Walk of Fame, and
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who was also knighted by Queen
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Elizabeth II.
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>> After accomplishing these
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and countless other
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achievements, the acclaimed
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actor, Sir Anthony Hopkins,
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admitted...
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>> Sir Anthony Hopkins, one of
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the most well-known actors of
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our time, was once a confessed
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atheist for many years until
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his outlook changed when a
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woman at an Alcoholics
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Anonymous meeting challenged
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his disbelief with one simple
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question:
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>> No matter how successful Sir
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Anthony Hopkins was, for years
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he battled with alcoholism.
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His drinking started
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innocently. He drank because
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that was what you do in
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theatre. You drink. But as is
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the case far too often, the
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social pastime of drinking
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soon took over his life and
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spiralled out of control.
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[MIKE] He admitted...
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>> Miraculously, Anthony
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Hopkins says when he chose to
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trust in God and ask for help,
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the craving to drink was taken
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away from him never to return
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again, and he's believed in
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God ever since, working day
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after day, year after year to
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grow his faith.
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>> When asked in a CNN
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interview with Piers Morgan if
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he believed in God, former
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atheist Anthony Hopkins
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answered wholeheartedly, "Yes,
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I do. I do."
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>> Our heart is restless until
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it finds its rest in God.
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[MIKE] And this is not only
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true for celebrated actors like
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Anthony Hopkins who asked God
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for help, but it is also true
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for people like you and me.
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The Bible assures you that...
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>> Today on It Is Written
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Canada you will meet Greg and
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Jill Sangster whose family
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life and personal lives were
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devastated in every possible
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way. They faced physical,
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psychological and financial
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ruin, yet a God who was far
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more compassionate than they
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knew pursued them and rescued
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them, and healed their crushed
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spirits. In a moment you will
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hear their story.
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>> Welcome again to It Is
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Written Canada. Thank you for
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joining us here in Fort
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Saskatchewan, Alberta, where
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we are meeting with Greg and
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Jill Sangster whose family
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some time ago faced a tragedy
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when Greg was badly injured in
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a motor vehicle accident which
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left him in need of
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reconstructive work on his
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body and substantial emotional
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and psychological healing as
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well as a mountain of legal
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issues.
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>> Yet God showed up in a
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miraculous way and we will let
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them tell you their story.
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Greg and Jill, Welcome to It
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Is Written Canada.
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>> Thanks for having us here.
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>> We're glad to be here.
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>> So, Jill, I'm going to start
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with you. Take us back and
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tell us what your home life
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was like because this is a
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critical part of your story.
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>> Growing up for me was very
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scary. I grew up in a very
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violent home, a lot of
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hostility, outbursts of rage
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daily, and abuse of every
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kind, very severe, and so
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it was a very scary place, and
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I didn't have a strong
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connection with my parents. It
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was mostly fear. I just knew
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that someday I needed to move
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on and get into, try to make a
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life for myself. And we did
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not have Bible study in our
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home or prayer. Our family
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did profess to be Christian,
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however, it was not a
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Christian example that was set
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for us. It was quite contrary
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to that in fact, but we did
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attend a lot of different
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churches. We attended many
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different denominations and
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different ones for segments of
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time. I attended Catholic
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schools so I ended up taking
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the Roman catechism and those
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sorts of things. So I was
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taught what many different
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churches teach but I never
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really sat down we never sat
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down as a family and had
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family devotion time. So I
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didn't really learn what the
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Bible itself actually teaches.
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I was, however, exposed to the
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gospel at some point to know
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that salvation is found in
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Jesus Christ, and I understood
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that I needed to be baptized
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as a believer, and in my teen
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years I did that, but I really
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didn't understand fully what
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that meant, what it meant to
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really follow Jesus. I sort of
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thought okay I've arrived.
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I've done that, check, and I
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didn't really know what it
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meant to have a relationship
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with Him. So then as I moved
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into my adult years, I left
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Jesus on the shelf, and then
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went pursuing that good life I
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was hoping for, and it led to
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a lot of very dangerous
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relationships, very abusive
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relationships, more scare,
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more fear, more, you know, a
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lot of destructive living, and
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eventually marriage, and then
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that, after quite a number of
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years that came apart and
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unravelled. And with all of
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those letdowns throughout all
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the years, this marriage, and
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then divorce. That was supposed
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to be the good life that I was
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supposed to be attaining for
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myself. With that falling
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apart I was at a time of
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crisis and despair in my life,
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and so I became suicidal
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because all my hopes and
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dreams had failed and I had
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come to think that you can't
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find the good life here, you
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can't trust people, you can't
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trust life, you can't trust
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anything in this world, and I
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was at a loss, and when you
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don't have hope, you really
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don't have anything at all.
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>> And so what was the turning
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point, when did you change
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direction?
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>> Well eventually, I somehow,
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well, I had gone through a lot
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of secular counselling,
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psychology and that sort of
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thing which really was to no
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avail. It did not help me, I
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tried all the medications, and
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I tried all the therapies, and
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those really just led to
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idolatry. Eventually I just
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tried living it up and
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pursuing fun and happiness
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with friends and pursuing
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everything that I could in
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this world to try to find
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peace and joy and friendships
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and whatever else. In that
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time I came to know Greg, and
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we eventually were married.
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So we were pursuing the good
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life. We thought we were
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having a lot of fun, but
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really inwardly there was
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still a strong-- it wasn't
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hitting the mark. There was
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still something strongly
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missing even though we thought
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we were having a lot of fun.
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What changed for me is, after
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we were married and I became
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pregnant with our daughter and
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something which I now know as
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God's Holy Spirit was telling
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me "You need to teach this
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child truth". And I knew that
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I needed to pursue the Word of
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God. I needed to study the
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Word of God. I needed to
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pursue Jesus and teach her.
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>> So, Jill, what happened to
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cause you to go deeper
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with God?
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>> When I was pregnant, as I
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had said, I knew that I had to
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teach this child truth, so I
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had started attending church,
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and I started going on a
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regular basis. I was taking in
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everything that they were
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teaching, but I wasn't really
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taking the time to study the
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Word of God for myself. You
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know, you're a busy mom and
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life gets in the way, and
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there's always some
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interruption that keeps you
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from doing those things even
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though you're well intended and
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so it was still always there in
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the back of my mind. It wasn't
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until a dreadful time when
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Greg was in a horrible car
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collision, or vehicle
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collision, and people lost
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their lives and it was
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devastating, and we really
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needed answers, we really
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needed to understand how God
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can allow these things to
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happen, if God even exists, I
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at that point, was recognizing
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that God exists, but how could
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He allow this to happen and so
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we desperately needed answers,
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and I started to delve,
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prayerfully and seriously into
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the Bible and I started to
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study what God has to tell us.
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And as I was doing that I
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started to realize that
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everything I was being taught,
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actually everything I had been
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taught throughout the years,
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through all my growing up
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years and all the different
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denominations, there were very
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large conflicts between what
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all these churches were
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teaching and what the Bible
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actually teaches.
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>> And That can cause a lot of
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conflict. You know, you're
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looking at these truths and
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you're thinking either my
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church is wrong and the Bible
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is right or that the Bible is
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wrong and my church is right.
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Like, how do you solve that
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mystery?
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>> Well it's true it created a
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lot of conflict, more between
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what I was discovering and
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trying to express to people
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around me and people in the
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church, and even going to the
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pastor to discuss these
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things, but ultimately I knew
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that the Word of God was
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accurate because I could see
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that prophecy after prophecy
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had fulfilled in great detail
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and the Word of God is sure.
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There's just no question about
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it, everything in the world is
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exactly as He said it was
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going to be so I knew that the
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Word had to be absolutely the
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truth.
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>> So you were seeing also, I
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guess, Greg, you were looking
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at this and saying, well, why
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aren't we getting our young
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baby baptized? You know, and
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you're saying no, she needs to
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be baptized when she has the
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age of accountability.
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>> Exactly.
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>> How did figure that out,
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Greg?
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>> I, it was hard because I
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was brought up that the baby
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gets baptized at birth and she
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was very strong that no,
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that's not what the Bible
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teaches, and that's what our
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family does, so, yeah, it was
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extremely-- it put a strain on
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our relationship at that time.
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I wanted to get Hannah
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baptized at that point in time
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and she was telling me that
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it's wrong, and it was just
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strenuous. It caused stress
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in the house.
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>> 'Cause she's learning all
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these profound things in the
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Bible and you're like, Jill's
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gone off her rocker, right,
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this doesn't make sense, like
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nothing makes, you know, for
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you it didn't make sense,
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right, like you said that
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caused tension.
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>> Yeah, a lot of this stuff
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did. I didn't have much
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interest in it and every day I
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would come home and there'd
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be-- I'd get bombarded with
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something else that I didn't
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want to hear at the time, and
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it was hard, and it was
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frustrating too, because it
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just-- everything that she was
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telling me was different from
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what I've heard from other
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people. So, it was very
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strenuous.
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[JILL] And I was so excited to
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share with him because I had
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come to discover so much joy
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and peace in the hope we have
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in the return of Jesus Christ
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and how He can help us and
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give us strength until we
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reach that day, and so I was
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just so excited to share with
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him all these profound truths
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of the Bible and to learn how
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there's no contradiction in
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the Bible. Once you understand
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these things as they acutally
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are taught in the Bible,
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there's no contradiction. So I
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could just, couldn't keep my
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mouth closed. I just had to
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share this with him.
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[laughs]
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>> So here, Greg, you were
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going through some trauma as
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well because you had this
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serious accident and now she's
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excited about what she's
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finding in the Bible and you're
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on a totally different wave
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length than she is and before
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we go into that, it's really
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about where you were at that
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stage for you and that was you
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were trusting and obeying the
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Lord, you know, and we're
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gonna listen to a song by
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Dalia and James and it is
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Trust and Obey.
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[flute and piano playing]
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¤¤
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>> So, Greg, Jill has now found
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this new-found faith and she's
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so excited about it, but you
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on the other hand are going
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down a totally different path.
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>>Yeah, I was going down a
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different path. I was dealing
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with a lot of stress from
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legal consequences of the
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accident I had, dealing with
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what had happened in the
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accident. I had a lot of anger
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towards God.
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Um...
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To...
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To know that He--
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I blamed Him...
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that...
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He was the One
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that let this happen and why
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did this happen if You're
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there.
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So yeah, and I covered that
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anger with a lot of alcohol
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and drinking and it was really
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affecting our relationship
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together. Here Jill was, she
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was all excited about things,
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and I was going in a different
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direction with the alcohol and
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fighting my own demons on a
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different direction. So I
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ended up going into the
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hospital there a countless
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amount of times for alcohol
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withdrawal. I had seizures
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from the withdrawal from cold
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turkey stopping drinking, and
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continually trying to do this
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myself, Jill during this time
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also had taken me to a John
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Bradshaw meeting that I was
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drinking and didn't really
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take anything in. I mean,
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there were seeds being sown
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there, or planted, but that
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wouldn't take root til
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further in my life. So I was
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dealing with the addiction and
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trying to solve it myself, but
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I wasn't able to. I ended up
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going into an addiction
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recovery home for, it was a
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month or so, and there I...
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I started studying the Bible
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reading Job while I was there,
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and just reading what Job had
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gone through and the faith
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that he had. It really
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resonated with me, but it
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wasn't until my final seizure
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that I looked to God like
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there's-- please help I cannot
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do this.
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So through the power of
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Christ, He took that from me.
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>> Was there a time when you
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were studying the Bible as
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well that other people were
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helping you?
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>> Yes, Pastor Darryl and Adam
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Byly, they were both studying
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the Bible with me which really
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helped, answering questions
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and just through Bible studies
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themselves, that anger that I
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had towards God started to
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fade.
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And my relationship with Him
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began to grow.
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So now I look at my experience
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that I had, if I didn't have
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that traumatic experience,
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one, I'd still be drinking,
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two, I'd probably be dead, and
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three, I wouldn't have the
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relationship that-- sorry.
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The relationship that I have
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with God now, and I wouldn't
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have my wife [chuckles]
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or my daughter.
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[JILL] We weren't going
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anywhere, but we were so
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disconnected that the
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relationship really was in
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shambles, but that's
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all changed.
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>> Yeah.
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>> God has changed that for us.
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>> And so God took away the
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cravings? Like, did you ever
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have cravings again after, you
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know, you asked Him to come
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into your life and...?
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>> No, I haven't had any
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cravings really. There's been
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the odd one, but it's a
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thought now, it's not a
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nagging thing that keeps
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dragging me down.
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>> That's amazing. And where,
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what was the place for Hannah
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in all of this, your daughter?
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>> Oh, she played a big part
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in it.
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Um...
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She was begging me to go
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to Bible studies. She'd leave
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little notes around the house
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with Bible verses on drinking,
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and she was pleading with me.
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She wanted her dad back,
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because the man that was there
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wasn't her dad.
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>> And the two of you had a
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beautiful experience. You were
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baptized together?
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>>No, that was Jill and
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Hannah.
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>> That was Hannah and myself
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when she was eight.
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>> Tell us about your baptism.
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>> I was baptized at camp
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meeting. My father was there
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and friends from the church
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and I was baptized in a pool
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at camp meeting.
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>> So much has changed. So tell
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us about your home life
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right now.
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>> It's a lot better. [laughs]
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>> It's wonderful. We, for one
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we're connected on the most
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important issue of life, and
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that is our relationship with
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God and we actually as a
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family worship together, pray
00:24:51.62\00:24:54.19
together, study the Word of
00:24:54.19\00:24:55.69
God together, and all that
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tension about that is gone
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because now we are all eagerly
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and willingly and joyfully
00:25:01.66\00:25:05.53
opening the Word together to
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study and seek what God has to
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say to us and-- but the peace
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and the contentment, and the
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struggle.
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You know it doesn't mean that
00:25:17.55\00:25:19.41
all of our struggles in life
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are gone, by far. We still
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have a lot that, you know,
00:25:24.09\00:25:25.62
is needing to be worked
00:25:25.62\00:25:27.79
through yet we have peace and
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contentment, and we're on the
00:25:30.93\00:25:32.46
same level with all of it.
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>> We're both not going,
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everyone in the house isn't
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going in different directions.
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We're together as a team and
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going in the same direction.
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[RENÉ] That's wonderful.
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>>It's so good when as a
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family you all have that same
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hope for the return of Jesus,
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and to walk with Him daily.
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>> Well, unfortunately we have
00:25:54.88\00:25:56.58
come to the end of our
00:25:56.58\00:25:58.05
program, so Jill, before we go
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I wonder if you could please
00:25:59.72\00:26:01.29
pray for us?
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>> Certainly, I'd love to.
00:26:02.66\00:26:03.49
Our gracious and loving
00:26:05.43\00:26:07.10
heavenly Father, we thank You
00:26:07.10\00:26:11.30
for what You've done and we
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thank You now for what You're
00:26:13.13\00:26:15.17
continuing to do and for the
00:26:15.17\00:26:17.11
hope and the joy that we have
00:26:17.11\00:26:19.41
in the soon return of Jesus.
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May this interview reach the
00:26:21.94\00:26:24.95
hearts of those who need to
00:26:24.95\00:26:26.98
hear it, Father, that others
00:26:26.98\00:26:30.69
will find that joy and peace
00:26:30.69\00:26:33.76
and hope and healing that we
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have found.
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We pray this all in the name
00:26:38.89\00:26:40.03
of Jesus Christ, amen.
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[GREG] Amen
00:26:42.53\00:26:43.57
[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen
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>> Jill and Greg thank you so
00:26:45.47\00:26:47.30
much for being so open and
00:26:47.30\00:26:49.57
sharing your journey with us
00:26:49.57\00:26:51.61
on It Is Written Canada today.
00:26:51.61\00:26:53.21
>> It's been a pleasure.
00:26:53.21\00:26:54.58
>> Thank you for having us.
00:26:54.58\00:26:55.44
>> Friends, freedom of choice
00:26:57.68\00:26:59.41
is one of the most precious
00:26:59.41\00:27:00.88
gifts God has entrusted to us.
00:27:00.88\00:27:04.25
Unfortunately we often make
00:27:04.25\00:27:06.62
poor choices which may lead to
00:27:06.62\00:27:09.46
destructive habits that
00:27:09.46\00:27:11.36
enslave us, damage our health,
00:27:11.36\00:27:13.23
and even ruin our lives.
00:27:13.23\00:27:15.73
>> Friends, our free offer for
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harmful habits and addictions.
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Above all you will come to
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know Jesus Christ, the only
00:27:35.58\00:27:38.89
one who can heal and restore,
00:27:38.89\00:27:41.36
strengthen and encourage, as
00:27:41.36\00:27:43.86
well as bring true balance and
00:27:43.86\00:27:45.73
meaning to your life. He
00:27:45.73\00:27:48.86
loves you, desires to set you
00:27:48.86\00:27:51.33
free from addictions, and to
00:27:51.33\00:27:53.37
give you a future filled with
00:27:53.37\00:27:55.44
peace and happiness.
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>> Friends, we want you to
00:27:59.84\00:28:01.44
experience the truth that is
00:28:01.44\00:28:03.11
found in the words of Jesus
00:28:03.11\00:28:04.95
when He said, "It is written,
00:28:04.95\00:28:06.88
'Man shall not live by bread
00:28:06.88\00:28:08.68
alone but by every word that
00:28:08.68\00:28:11.05
proceeds out of the mouth
00:28:11.05\00:28:12.49
of God.'"
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