¤¤ 00:00:00.83\00:00:43.47 >> Hello and welcome to It Is 00:00:43.47\00:00:45.04 Written Canada. 00:00:45.04\00:00:46.27 Last week we saw how Mathew 00:00:46.27\00:00:48.54 Feeley's family desperately 00:00:48.54\00:00:50.35 struggled to help him out of 00:00:50.35\00:00:52.28 his life of drugs, alcohol, 00:00:52.28\00:00:54.42 and crime. 00:00:54.42\00:00:55.65 His dad's faith, the influence 00:00:55.65\00:00:57.59 of his girlfriend, Christy, and 00:00:57.59\00:00:59.52 her mom's growing faith were 00:00:59.52\00:01:01.19 like seeds being planted in his 00:01:01.19\00:01:02.99 perplexed, young heart. 00:01:02.99\00:01:05.53 >> We ended our program last 00:01:05.53\00:01:07.36 week when Mathew's mother 00:01:07.36\00:01:09.00 received an urgent call 00:01:09.00\00:01:10.80 concerning his close friend, 00:01:10.80\00:01:12.67 James. 00:01:12.67\00:01:13.57 >> Today Mathew Feeley, an 00:01:13.57\00:01:15.07 ordained pastor and evangelist, 00:01:15.07\00:01:17.14 shares the rest of his story of 00:01:17.14\00:01:20.08 how the goodness of God rescued 00:01:20.08\00:01:22.11 him from a life of conflict and 00:01:22.11\00:01:24.35 confusion to one of confidence 00:01:24.35\00:01:26.38 and contentment in a saving 00:01:26.38\00:01:28.98 relationship with Christ Jesus, 00:01:28.98\00:01:31.12 his Lord. 00:01:31.12\00:01:32.62 >> Pastor Mathew Feeley, 00:01:32.62\00:01:34.22 welcome back to It Is Written 00:01:34.22\00:01:36.36 Canada. 00:01:36.36\00:01:37.56 >> Thank you for having me. 00:01:37.86\00:01:39.66 >> So last week we were talking 00:01:39.66\00:01:41.13 about that phone call your 00:01:41.13\00:01:43.00 mother had received about 00:01:43.00\00:01:44.97 James. 00:01:44.97\00:01:46.00 Tell us about that call. 00:01:46.00\00:01:47.44 >> Yeah, my mother received a 00:01:47.44\00:01:49.00 phone call from Christy's 00:01:49.00\00:01:50.67 mother who knew James quite 00:01:50.67\00:01:52.94 well, it was one of my 00:01:52.94\00:01:54.68 childhood friends and he had 00:01:54.68\00:01:58.95 been killed in a car accident 00:01:58.95\00:02:01.72 so he was-- his car was hit by 00:02:01.72\00:02:05.12 an oncoming vehicle that ran a 00:02:05.12\00:02:07.19 red light and the driver was 00:02:07.19\00:02:09.96 drunk, which was really ironic 00:02:09.96\00:02:12.63 because all of us were 00:02:12.63\00:02:15.66 partying, James was the one who 00:02:15.66\00:02:18.03 really didn't party that much, 00:02:18.03\00:02:19.80 he had moved away to Brampton, 00:02:19.80\00:02:21.87 he would come and visit and he 00:02:21.87\00:02:25.21 would be the one to kinda pull 00:02:25.21\00:02:28.18 me aside because he knew me 00:02:28.18\00:02:30.21 from my childhood. 00:02:30.21\00:02:31.48 We used to play road hockey 00:02:31.48\00:02:33.15 together and sports in the 00:02:33.15\00:02:34.75 neighbourhood and... 00:02:34.75\00:02:36.25 You know, he was one of the 00:02:36.25\00:02:37.69 original young people that I 00:02:37.69\00:02:39.65 knew and grew up with. 00:02:39.65\00:02:41.42 There was a lot of other young 00:02:41.42\00:02:43.19 people I got to know through 00:02:43.19\00:02:45.53 the lifestyle I was living at 00:02:45.53\00:02:47.40 the time and the drug abuse and 00:02:47.40\00:02:49.16 addiction, but he was one of 00:02:49.16\00:02:51.13 the original ones and, you 00:02:51.13\00:02:53.94 know, he would pull me aside, 00:02:53.94\00:02:55.60 he was a bit older than me and 00:02:55.60\00:02:57.21 he would say, like, "What are 00:02:57.21\00:02:59.17 you doing? Why are you here? 00:02:59.17\00:03:01.08 Why are you with these guys? 00:03:01.08\00:03:02.78 I know that they're our 00:03:02.78\00:03:04.45 friends, but you don't really 00:03:04.45\00:03:06.18 belong here," and "What are you 00:03:06.18\00:03:09.95 doing with your life? What's 00:03:09.95\00:03:11.52 happening with school?" and I 00:03:11.52\00:03:12.92 would joke with him, you know, 00:03:12.92\00:03:15.19 I joked about failing gym class 00:03:15.19\00:03:17.49 and he's like, "Who fails gym? 00:03:17.49\00:03:21.00 Like, what are you doing? You 00:03:21.00\00:03:23.23 need to change." 00:03:23.23\00:03:24.73 So he was another voice of 00:03:24.73\00:03:26.33 encouragement, those were seeds 00:03:26.33\00:03:28.20 sown, but it was just, it was 00:03:28.20\00:03:31.41 right there at that moment when 00:03:31.41\00:03:33.74 I was waiting to go back to the 00:03:33.74\00:03:35.68 rave scene and I was going with 00:03:35.68\00:03:38.35 good intentions, just to listen 00:03:38.35\00:03:40.08 to music, but, you know, when 00:03:40.08\00:03:41.88 in Rome, it's easy to live 00:03:41.88\00:03:43.75 differently and I know it would 00:03:43.75\00:03:45.65 have been hard to be strong 00:03:45.65\00:03:47.79 that evening and just as I was 00:03:47.79\00:03:49.32 leaving, I get this phone call 00:03:49.32\00:03:51.19 and it was tragic and it was 00:03:51.19\00:03:53.73 ironic and I was a pallbearer 00:03:53.73\00:03:58.27 for his funeral along with 00:03:58.27\00:04:01.04 other young men. 00:04:01.04\00:04:03.37 It was tough, it was very 00:04:03.37\00:04:05.34 tough. 00:04:05.34\00:04:06.54 The hardest part for me, two 00:04:06.54\00:04:08.58 things were really difficult, 00:04:08.58\00:04:10.85 his younger brother, his name 00:04:10.85\00:04:12.71 was Zach and he really loved 00:04:12.71\00:04:16.02 him and was teaching him how to 00:04:16.02\00:04:17.62 play football and to see him 00:04:17.62\00:04:19.09 there not really understanding 00:04:19.09\00:04:20.82 that he had lost James because 00:04:20.82\00:04:22.62 he was so young was very sad 00:04:22.62\00:04:24.36 and then the other thing that 00:04:24.36\00:04:26.63 was really difficult was his 00:04:26.63\00:04:28.33 mom who was so strong through 00:04:28.33\00:04:30.10 the whole experience, but the 00:04:30.10\00:04:31.93 moment that they closed the 00:04:31.93\00:04:33.84 casket, it was an open casket 00:04:33.84\00:04:36.24 and it was a viewing before the 00:04:36.24\00:04:38.14 funeral and the moment that 00:04:38.14\00:04:39.64 they closed the casket, she 00:04:39.64\00:04:41.04 just said, "No!" 00:04:41.04\00:04:43.24 She was like, "No, no!" and she 00:04:43.24\00:04:45.08 was just yelling "No!" and she 00:04:45.08\00:04:46.82 just grabbed onto the casket 00:04:46.82\00:04:49.52 and she wouldn't let go and 00:04:49.52\00:04:51.35 they had to help her and, you 00:04:51.35\00:04:53.09 know, and we were just so 00:04:53.09\00:04:54.82 devastated, you know? 00:04:54.82\00:04:56.89 The night he died, a few of us 00:04:56.89\00:04:58.99 got together, we were drinking, 00:04:58.99\00:05:02.30 we were, again, just trying to 00:05:02.30\00:05:04.30 numb the pain, listening to 00:05:04.30\00:05:05.97 music. 00:05:05.97\00:05:06.87 It was so hard and-- but I 00:05:06.87\00:05:10.31 really believe God used that 00:05:10.31\00:05:12.27 experience and James, his 00:05:12.27\00:05:14.01 influence in my life, as a 00:05:14.01\00:05:16.01 wake-up call, you know, I think 00:05:16.01\00:05:17.81 it was a wake-up call and I 00:05:17.81\00:05:20.82 could've gone back down that 00:05:20.82\00:05:22.82 same dark path, but on this 00:05:22.82\00:05:25.32 particular night, God kinda 00:05:25.32\00:05:28.36 allowed things to play out the 00:05:28.36\00:05:30.49 way they did so that I could 00:05:30.49\00:05:32.49 wake up. 00:05:32.49\00:05:34.10 >> Pastor Mathew, how did 00:05:34.10\00:05:36.63 Christianity then influence 00:05:36.63\00:05:39.13 your life? 00:05:39.13\00:05:40.67 >> Well, I grew up catholic, I 00:05:40.67\00:05:43.24 had a Christian background. 00:05:43.24\00:05:46.04 My siblings, we all have 00:05:46.04\00:05:47.74 Christian names or Catholic 00:05:47.74\00:05:49.54 names because some of us are 00:05:49.54\00:05:51.71 named for Bible characters or 00:05:51.71\00:05:53.58 books of the Bible and others 00:05:53.58\00:05:55.55 are named for popes and nuns 00:05:55.55\00:05:58.99 and stuff like that. 00:05:58.99\00:06:00.86 All of our names have meaning 00:06:00.86\00:06:02.82 and we grew up Catholics going 00:06:02.82\00:06:05.29 to church. 00:06:05.29\00:06:06.76 Sometimes we only went to 00:06:06.76\00:06:08.33 church at Christmas and Easter 00:06:08.33\00:06:11.00 and stuff like that, but at one 00:06:11.00\00:06:13.07 point I was an alter boy and I 00:06:13.07\00:06:16.74 used to get out of class to 00:06:16.74\00:06:19.11 help with funerals and 00:06:19.11\00:06:20.94 different events and I thought 00:06:20.94\00:06:22.61 that was a pretty good job with 00:06:22.61\00:06:24.78 benefits and-- 00:06:24.78\00:06:26.55 But I had faith growing up, for 00:06:26.55\00:06:29.58 sure, I would pray at church, 00:06:29.58\00:06:33.56 I'd pray for my family, I would 00:06:33.56\00:06:36.32 go to the confessional and I 00:06:36.32\00:06:38.83 would confess my sins, but I 00:06:38.83\00:06:40.76 would also tell the priest all, 00:06:40.76\00:06:42.80 like, what was happening in my 00:06:42.80\00:06:44.60 family and he was probably a 00:06:44.60\00:06:46.13 little shocked 'cause, you 00:06:46.13\00:06:47.80 know, my father was a really 00:06:47.80\00:06:49.64 staunch Catholic and wasn't 00:06:49.64\00:06:51.21 that he was abusing us 00:06:51.21\00:06:53.34 directly, but it was somewhat 00:06:53.34\00:06:56.08 abusive kind of, just some of 00:06:56.08\00:06:58.68 the experiences we went 00:06:58.68\00:07:01.55 through, just toxic and hurtful 00:07:01.55\00:07:04.89 to our upbringing. 00:07:04.89\00:07:07.22 But my parents prayed, my 00:07:07.22\00:07:09.82 father prayed. 00:07:09.82\00:07:11.59 He used to say, "I'm praying 00:07:11.59\00:07:12.99 for you," and that used to 00:07:12.99\00:07:14.30 really annoy me because I 00:07:14.30\00:07:15.76 didn't want him to pray for me, 00:07:15.76\00:07:17.27 I was very angry at my father 00:07:17.27\00:07:18.73 at one point, but he would say, 00:07:18.73\00:07:20.70 "I'm praying for you." 00:07:20.70\00:07:22.40 My mother said after I came to 00:07:22.40\00:07:26.31 Christ, I told her everything, 00:07:26.31\00:07:28.14 I actually just told her so 00:07:28.14\00:07:29.71 many stories one night about 00:07:29.71\00:07:31.25 what I had been doing all these 00:07:31.25\00:07:33.05 years and she knew I was in 00:07:33.05\00:07:34.72 trouble, but she didn't know 00:07:34.72\00:07:36.38 the half of it. 00:07:36.38\00:07:37.59 And she said, "There's nights 00:07:37.59\00:07:39.79 you didn't come home and I 00:07:39.79\00:07:42.22 didn't know what to do and I 00:07:42.22\00:07:43.83 would just stay up through the 00:07:43.83\00:07:45.56 night praying for you." 00:07:45.56\00:07:47.10 So my parents prayed and that 00:07:47.10\00:07:49.00 definitely had an impact. 00:07:49.00\00:07:50.67 I did have some form of 00:07:50.67\00:07:54.57 Christianity growing up, but I 00:07:54.57\00:07:56.84 wasn't in a personal 00:07:56.84\00:07:58.54 relationship with Jesus Christ, 00:07:58.54\00:08:00.71 I didn't know Him as my 00:08:00.71\00:08:02.81 personal saviour, He was in the 00:08:02.81\00:08:05.55 pictures on the wall, He was on 00:08:05.55\00:08:08.02 the crucifix, right, but I 00:08:08.02\00:08:09.92 didn't' really know Him. 00:08:09.92\00:08:11.69 And I was invited by my 00:08:11.69\00:08:14.82 mother-in-law who is now my 00:08:14.82\00:08:18.09 mother-in-law, Debbie, she was 00:08:18.09\00:08:20.33 doing Bible studies and sharing 00:08:20.33\00:08:22.53 all of what she was learning 00:08:22.53\00:08:24.77 and so I always listened to her 00:08:24.77\00:08:26.84 talk about the Bible, kind of 00:08:26.84\00:08:28.54 ramble on, and I would just sit 00:08:28.54\00:08:31.07 there and just, you know, wait 00:08:31.07\00:08:32.87 for it to be over. 00:08:32.87\00:08:34.64 And then she wanted me to go to 00:08:34.64\00:08:36.54 this series, it was a youth 00:08:36.54\00:08:38.88 week of prayer and I went and 00:08:38.88\00:08:41.55 the speaker was just so dynamic 00:08:41.55\00:08:45.02 and, kind of like John the 00:08:45.02\00:08:47.02 Baptist, you know, very-- 00:08:47.02\00:08:49.56 speaking the truth and speaking 00:08:49.56\00:08:52.59 it plainly and I felt that he 00:08:52.59\00:08:55.63 was talking about every detail 00:08:55.63\00:08:57.63 in my life and I felt like he 00:08:57.63\00:08:59.77 was only talking to me and I 00:08:59.77\00:09:01.47 was sitting with my arm 00:09:01.47\00:09:03.34 slouched around Christy and 00:09:03.34\00:09:05.94 really kinda casual in the 00:09:05.94\00:09:07.48 church and halfway through his 00:09:07.48\00:09:09.14 sermon, I was sitting up 00:09:09.14\00:09:10.41 straight and I was on my best 00:09:10.41\00:09:11.91 behaviour and I knew that it 00:09:11.91\00:09:13.65 was unlike any sermon I'd ever 00:09:13.65\00:09:16.69 heard before. 00:09:16.69\00:09:18.35 After three nights, I requested 00:09:18.35\00:09:21.16 to be baptized and they didn't 00:09:21.16\00:09:23.63 really know what to do with me 00:09:23.63\00:09:26.16 because I walked into the 00:09:26.16\00:09:27.93 church, you know, I had bleach 00:09:27.93\00:09:29.56 blonde hair, I looked like 00:09:29.56\00:09:31.17 Eminem at the time when he was 00:09:31.17\00:09:34.00 new and popular and bleach 00:09:34.00\00:09:37.84 blonde hair, I had baggy pants, 00:09:37.84\00:09:39.44 I had pierced ears, I did not 00:09:39.44\00:09:40.78 look like a Seventh-day 00:09:40.78\00:09:42.08 Adventist. 00:09:42.08\00:09:43.38 And I certainly stood out in 00:09:43.38\00:09:45.58 the congregation, but I was the 00:09:45.58\00:09:47.48 first one to respond to the 00:09:47.48\00:09:48.82 message every night. 00:09:48.82\00:09:50.42 It really touched my heart and 00:09:50.42\00:09:52.19 I knew I wanted to change my 00:09:52.19\00:09:53.59 life and I knew I wanted to 00:09:53.59\00:09:55.19 follow Jesus and I said to the 00:09:55.19\00:09:57.66 pastor, "I wanna be baptized." 00:09:57.66\00:09:59.69 And, you know, in hindsight I 00:09:59.69\00:10:01.53 can picture him kinda looking 00:10:01.53\00:10:03.23 at me like, "What am I supposed 00:10:03.23\00:10:04.93 to do with this guy coming off 00:10:04.93\00:10:07.87 the streets of Scarborough, 00:10:07.87\00:10:09.44 like, what am I supposed to do 00:10:09.44\00:10:11.37 with him?" 00:10:11.37\00:10:12.41 But, you know, he did the right 00:10:12.41\00:10:13.84 thing, he loved me, he really 00:10:13.84\00:10:15.68 treated me like a son and he 00:10:15.68\00:10:19.71 allowed me to be baptized and 00:10:19.71\00:10:22.35 my life was changed. 00:10:22.35\00:10:24.22 >> So, Mat, what was life like 00:10:25.89\00:10:27.96 for you as a young Seventh-day 00:10:27.96\00:10:29.62 Adventist? 00:10:29.62\00:10:30.69 >> You know, it was-- it wasn't 00:10:30.69\00:10:34.46 that much different at first. 00:10:34.46\00:10:36.67 I got rid of the alcohol, I had 00:10:36.67\00:10:39.43 mickey of rum in my dresser, I 00:10:39.43\00:10:42.37 poured it out the day of my 00:10:42.37\00:10:44.17 baptism. 00:10:44.17\00:10:45.67 And partying was over for me 00:10:45.67\00:10:49.04 and that was a huge step. 00:10:49.04\00:10:52.18 Everybody's starting kind of at 00:10:52.18\00:10:54.68 a different point depending on 00:10:54.68\00:10:56.35 what their life is like and I 00:10:56.35\00:10:58.02 think we have to be patient 00:10:58.02\00:10:59.69 with people because they're not 00:10:59.69\00:11:01.89 struggling necessarily with the 00:11:01.89\00:11:03.59 things we're struggling with 00:11:03.59\00:11:05.36 and they might be struggling 00:11:05.36\00:11:06.76 with great things and more 00:11:06.76\00:11:08.30 difficult things, great 00:11:08.30\00:11:09.96 challenges, you know? 00:11:09.96\00:11:11.60 And I think people could have 00:11:11.60\00:11:13.03 been a bit more patient 00:11:13.03\00:11:15.04 although I have to say the 00:11:15.04\00:11:16.67 Scarborough church was very 00:11:16.67\00:11:18.74 loving. 00:11:18.74\00:11:20.28 They would hug us and one lady, 00:11:20.28\00:11:22.74 she would kiss us and they were 00:11:22.74\00:11:24.48 just so friendly, they would 00:11:24.48\00:11:25.98 invite us to birthday parties 00:11:25.98\00:11:27.72 and their homes for lunch and 00:11:27.72\00:11:30.09 they would give us money. 00:11:30.09\00:11:31.69 Like, one day the pastor said I 00:11:31.69\00:11:33.69 was looking for a job, he made 00:11:33.69\00:11:35.12 an announcement in the middle 00:11:35.12\00:11:36.52 of church service because he 00:11:36.52\00:11:38.23 was really concerned and I had 00:11:38.23\00:11:40.40 lost my job when I'd joined the 00:11:40.40\00:11:42.10 church and I worked at Music 00:11:42.10\00:11:43.63 World and I lost that job 00:11:43.63\00:11:45.07 because I chose to go and get 00:11:45.07\00:11:46.67 baptized instead of going 00:11:46.67\00:11:47.97 to work. 00:11:47.97\00:11:49.17 And he felt really badly and he 00:11:49.17\00:11:51.81 was asking if somebody in the 00:11:51.81\00:11:53.71 church if they knew about a job 00:11:53.71\00:11:55.64 to let me know and after 00:11:55.64\00:11:57.55 church, this lady just, like a 00:11:57.55\00:11:58.98 drug deal, she just quickly 00:11:58.98\00:12:00.78 handed me some money and just 00:12:00.78\00:12:03.08 quick exchange. 00:12:03.08\00:12:04.45 And, you know, it was really 00:12:04.45\00:12:06.79 generous and it was really kind 00:12:06.79\00:12:08.79 and I knew the second I walked 00:12:08.79\00:12:10.79 in the doors of the church, 00:12:10.79\00:12:12.56 every Sabbath I would be 00:12:12.56\00:12:14.60 embraced. 00:12:14.60\00:12:16.03 And that's how it was, it was 00:12:16.03\00:12:18.27 kind of like an early-stages 00:12:18.27\00:12:20.27 experience, but eventually I 00:12:20.27\00:12:22.27 really started to dig deeper 00:12:22.27\00:12:24.57 and to study the Bible and I 00:12:24.57\00:12:26.31 had a mentor, he was assigned 00:12:26.31\00:12:28.28 to be a Bible worker at the 00:12:28.28\00:12:29.64 church and we became friends 00:12:29.64\00:12:31.11 right away and his name was 00:12:31.11\00:12:32.55 Mark Kirkus and he would take 00:12:32.55\00:12:34.32 me on Bible studies and I just 00:12:34.32\00:12:37.82 developed this amazing thirst 00:12:37.82\00:12:41.79 for the work of God and the 00:12:41.79\00:12:44.83 ministry and it just took off 00:12:44.83\00:12:48.73 and I really caught fire. 00:12:48.73\00:12:50.83 >> So, Pastor Mathew, how did 00:12:51.50\00:12:53.64 you become a pastor? 00:12:53.64\00:12:56.14 Did your work with Mark 00:12:56.14\00:12:58.51 influence you in this decision? 00:12:58.51\00:13:01.34 >> Definitely. 00:13:01.34\00:13:03.38 My pastor at my church, at 00:13:03.38\00:13:07.12 Scarborough church, Pastor 00:13:07.12\00:13:08.62 Hilton Garnett, was a huge 00:13:08.62\00:13:10.12 influence on my life and he 00:13:10.12\00:13:11.42 wanted me to become a pastor 00:13:11.42\00:13:12.72 because he saw something in me. 00:13:12.72\00:13:14.69 He saw what I couldn't see and 00:13:14.69\00:13:16.29 I think that's what we have to 00:13:16.29\00:13:18.09 be-- what we have to try to do 00:13:18.09\00:13:20.06 when we're working with people 00:13:20.06\00:13:21.66 that are especially new in the 00:13:21.66\00:13:23.30 church, is to see their value 00:13:23.30\00:13:24.77 and their gifting and he could 00:13:24.77\00:13:26.37 see something in me. 00:13:26.37\00:13:28.30 And so my pastor would send me 00:13:28.30\00:13:32.37 applications from Burman 00:13:32.37\00:13:33.98 University which is a Christian 00:13:33.98\00:13:35.81 university in Lacombe, Alberta 00:13:35.81\00:13:38.41 and I would just toss them into 00:13:38.41\00:13:41.28 the recycling bin, you know, 00:13:41.28\00:13:43.79 because I didn't see myself 00:13:43.79\00:13:46.22 becoming a pastor and the first 00:13:46.22\00:13:47.96 time someone mentioned it to 00:13:47.96\00:13:49.72 me, I actually laughed at it, I 00:13:49.72\00:13:51.73 laughed at the notion that I 00:13:51.73\00:13:53.36 would one day be a pastor. 00:13:53.36\00:13:55.00 I was coming from the rave 00:13:55.00\00:13:57.07 scene, I was coming from kind 00:13:57.07\00:13:58.80 of street life, I was a DJ, I 00:13:58.80\00:14:04.51 did small parties and stuff 00:14:04.51\00:14:06.81 with my friends and people at 00:14:06.81\00:14:08.78 my school and, you know, I was 00:14:08.78\00:14:10.55 into a different lifestyle and 00:14:10.55\00:14:12.28 to be a pastor was just not my 00:14:12.28\00:14:14.18 interest, not my goal. 00:14:14.18\00:14:16.48 But he never gave up and he 00:14:16.48\00:14:18.29 continued to persist in my life. 00:14:18.29\00:14:20.52 And then Mark, I found out, was 00:14:20.52\00:14:22.72 intentionally asked to kind of 00:14:22.72\00:14:25.73 mentor me, to befriend me and 00:14:25.73\00:14:27.96 to get to know me because my 00:14:27.96\00:14:29.86 pastor thought that it would be 00:14:29.86\00:14:31.60 important for me to have that 00:14:31.60\00:14:33.17 role model. 00:14:33.17\00:14:34.50 And he definitely showed me how 00:14:34.50\00:14:38.04 to reach people, how to 00:14:38.04\00:14:39.61 minister to people, how to care 00:14:39.61\00:14:41.21 for people, how to study the 00:14:41.21\00:14:43.18 Bible, he gave me books to 00:14:43.18\00:14:45.45 read, and all of that worked 00:14:45.45\00:14:48.68 together to just awaken this 00:14:48.68\00:14:50.89 fire within me and to give me a 00:14:50.89\00:14:52.82 thirst for ministry. 00:14:52.82\00:14:55.49 And so one night I was walking 00:14:55.49\00:14:57.46 my dog, it was actually 00:14:57.46\00:14:58.76 Christy's dog, but I would 00:14:58.76\00:15:00.33 always walk her dog for her and 00:15:00.33\00:15:01.73 he's very sweet and we were out 00:15:01.73\00:15:03.77 for our usual walk and I prayed 00:15:03.77\00:15:06.47 and I said, "Lord, if you want 00:15:06.47\00:15:08.10 me to become a pastor, let me 00:15:08.10\00:15:10.67 hear it from Pastor Morgan," 00:15:10.67\00:15:13.01 and he was the pastor that 00:15:13.01\00:15:14.14 baptized me. 00:15:14.14\00:15:15.28 And I was attended some 00:15:15.28\00:15:16.98 meetings that he was doing in 00:15:16.98\00:15:18.28 Toronto and that same night, he 00:15:18.28\00:15:21.52 said to me, "You have to become 00:15:21.52\00:15:25.02 a pastor." 00:15:25.02\00:15:26.52 It was a fleece and it was a 00:15:26.52\00:15:28.96 way of testing to see God's 00:15:28.96\00:15:30.99 will and He made it very plain 00:15:30.99\00:15:33.70 to me and from there I just 00:15:33.70\00:15:36.43 committed to going to school 00:15:36.43\00:15:38.43 and my wife was a huge support, 00:15:38.43\00:15:41.40 she always has been and I 00:15:41.40\00:15:43.44 wouldn't be here were it not 00:15:43.44\00:15:45.44 for her love and support and 00:15:45.44\00:15:47.48 encouragement and together in 00:15:47.48\00:15:49.94 ministry, you know, we work 00:15:49.94\00:15:52.11 very hard together and she's an 00:15:52.11\00:15:53.68 amazing partner. 00:15:53.68\00:15:55.48 And we went to Burman with 00:15:55.48\00:16:00.06 three duffle bags, all of our 00:16:00.06\00:16:02.89 possessions in three duffle 00:16:02.89\00:16:04.73 bags, couple thousand dollars, 00:16:04.73\00:16:08.80 never had been there before and 00:16:08.80\00:16:11.93 we just went by faith, not 00:16:11.93\00:16:14.04 by sight. 00:16:14.04\00:16:15.90 And we went to school there and 00:16:15.90\00:16:17.97 we again saw the love of God's 00:16:17.97\00:16:20.48 church and the difference that 00:16:20.48\00:16:22.81 the church can make. 00:16:22.81\00:16:24.95 And there was a lady there, 00:16:24.95\00:16:28.45 Cathy, and her husband, James, 00:16:28.45\00:16:30.69 and they found out that we 00:16:30.69\00:16:33.99 didn't have furniture, we were 00:16:33.99\00:16:36.46 sleeping on the foam topper 00:16:36.46\00:16:38.73 that you put on the mattress, 00:16:38.73\00:16:40.26 we didn't have a mattress so we 00:16:40.26\00:16:41.83 slept on the foam, we bought 00:16:41.83\00:16:43.23 the foam from Wal-Mart, we 00:16:43.23\00:16:44.53 bought two chairs, we used one 00:16:44.53\00:16:46.00 chair as a TV stand to hold our 00:16:46.00\00:16:47.94 little TV and that's all we 00:16:47.94\00:16:49.97 had, I think we found a table 00:16:49.97\00:16:51.61 outside our apartment building. 00:16:51.61\00:16:53.31 And it was a very humble 00:16:53.31\00:16:54.98 apartment building and we went 00:16:54.98\00:16:58.71 there and that's how we lived 00:16:58.71\00:17:00.58 for a couple weeks and they 00:17:00.58\00:17:02.18 found out about it and they 00:17:02.18\00:17:04.39 showed up with a truck and 00:17:04.39\00:17:05.95 there was a bed and there was a 00:17:05.95\00:17:08.92 dresser and there was a TV 00:17:08.92\00:17:11.46 stand and there was a couch and 00:17:11.46\00:17:14.60 we had everything we needed to 00:17:14.60\00:17:18.90 serve and to learn and to grow 00:17:18.90\00:17:21.70 and we always had that 00:17:21.70\00:17:23.44 experience of being loved in 00:17:23.44\00:17:25.64 the church and the love of 00:17:25.64\00:17:28.14 Christ brought us into the 00:17:28.14\00:17:29.84 church, but the love of God's 00:17:29.84\00:17:31.68 people kept us in the church 00:17:31.68\00:17:34.18 and really made a difference in 00:17:34.18\00:17:36.48 our lives and through that 00:17:36.48\00:17:38.22 experience, I became a pastor 00:17:38.22\00:17:40.99 and I'm still a pastor today. 00:17:40.99\00:17:42.79 >> So now you graduated from 00:17:43.53\00:17:45.96 the theology program, you're a 00:17:45.96\00:17:47.60 pastor, what was that like 00:17:47.60\00:17:48.76 for you? 00:17:48.76\00:17:50.30 >> You know, it was amazing, it 00:17:50.30\00:17:52.13 was an answer to prayer. 00:17:52.13\00:17:53.77 I really felt God's calling on 00:17:53.77\00:17:55.67 my life and I felt that, and I 00:17:55.67\00:17:58.04 still feel like this is what 00:17:58.04\00:17:59.84 I'm supposed to do, so... 00:17:59.84\00:18:01.84 I went into ministry just 00:18:01.84\00:18:04.91 excited and ready to work hard 00:18:04.91\00:18:08.18 and God gave me so many great 00:18:08.18\00:18:11.12 experiences from my first 00:18:11.12\00:18:14.16 church to my current church and 00:18:14.16\00:18:16.89 not only pastoring, but also 00:18:16.89\00:18:18.83 doing quite a bit of 00:18:18.83\00:18:20.73 evangelism. 00:18:20.73\00:18:22.13 So I worked with Pastor Joel 00:18:22.13\00:18:26.57 Nembhard and he had me do my 00:18:26.57\00:18:28.37 first evangelistic series at 00:18:28.37\00:18:30.67 our church and it was exciting 00:18:30.67\00:18:33.71 and it was well supported and 00:18:33.71\00:18:35.68 that just got the ball rolling 00:18:35.68\00:18:37.55 and I would do series at 00:18:37.55\00:18:39.68 multiple churches in Toronto 00:18:39.68\00:18:42.68 and even kind of a really large 00:18:42.68\00:18:44.99 campaign at The International 00:18:44.99\00:18:46.72 Centre and at the College Park 00:18:46.72\00:18:49.46 Church and from there, going to 00:18:49.46\00:18:52.13 Brazil and Jamaica and 00:18:52.13\00:18:56.00 St. Vincent and, you know, a 00:18:56.00\00:18:58.57 whole bunch of places in the 00:18:58.57\00:19:00.27 Caribbean and the States and 00:19:00.27\00:19:02.97 different parts of Canada and 00:19:02.97\00:19:05.74 just really had a passion for 00:19:05.74\00:19:07.91 preaching, really love to 00:19:07.91\00:19:09.94 preach, I love it as an art 00:19:09.94\00:19:13.25 form, but more so, I love the 00:19:13.25\00:19:16.45 creative side of it, but I also 00:19:16.45\00:19:18.72 love how it calls people to 00:19:18.72\00:19:22.09 follow Jesus and that's 00:19:22.09\00:19:24.13 something I'm very passionate 00:19:24.13\00:19:25.73 about. 00:19:25.73\00:19:26.73 When I preach, I really believe 00:19:26.73\00:19:28.03 it's important to encourage 00:19:28.03\00:19:29.46 people to make a decision to 00:19:29.46\00:19:31.73 give their lives to Christ and 00:19:31.73\00:19:35.10 so I'm very intentional about 00:19:35.10\00:19:36.91 doing that and I've come 00:19:36.91\00:19:39.01 a long way. 00:19:39.01\00:19:40.81 I used to be very loud when I 00:19:40.81\00:19:42.68 was preaching because that's 00:19:42.68\00:19:44.48 kind of how I came in the 00:19:44.48\00:19:45.78 church, John the Baptist, you 00:19:45.78\00:19:47.52 know, it was this very, like, 00:19:47.52\00:19:51.29 fiery sermon and that style of 00:19:51.29\00:19:54.32 preaching has always stayed 00:19:54.32\00:19:55.79 with me, but I would say that 00:19:55.79\00:19:57.93 I've definitely toned it down 00:19:57.93\00:19:59.69 over the years or just tried to 00:19:59.69\00:20:02.33 have a bit of a variety. 00:20:02.33\00:20:04.80 >> So, Pastor Mathew, can you 00:20:04.80\00:20:06.70 tell us about other unique 00:20:06.70\00:20:08.57 ministries that you've been 00:20:08.57\00:20:10.34 involved in? 00:20:10.34\00:20:12.07 >> Yeah, for sure. 00:20:12.07\00:20:13.74 I would say the one that really 00:20:13.74\00:20:16.14 comes to mind is when I worked 00:20:16.14\00:20:17.98 for Yonge Street Mission. 00:20:17.98\00:20:20.15 So I attended Andrews 00:20:20.15\00:20:22.25 University which is a school in 00:20:22.25\00:20:24.69 Berrien Springs, Michigan and 00:20:24.69\00:20:26.25 it's a Seventh-day Adventist 00:20:26.25\00:20:28.02 Seminary and I was there doing 00:20:28.02\00:20:30.16 my Masters of Divinity and I 00:20:30.16\00:20:34.20 would travel back to Toronto 00:20:34.20\00:20:35.86 quite often and then the 00:20:35.86\00:20:37.73 summers I would work here and I 00:20:37.73\00:20:40.20 was given an opportunity to 00:20:40.20\00:20:42.00 work at Yonge Street Mission 00:20:42.00\00:20:44.21 which is a non-profit 00:20:44.21\00:20:48.94 organization that really 00:20:48.94\00:20:50.71 focuses on meeting the needs of 00:20:50.71\00:20:52.48 the marginalized, just an 00:20:52.48\00:20:53.58 the marginalized, just an 00:20:53.58\00:20:54.65 amazing ministry that has a 00:20:54.65\00:20:56.89 very holistic approach and a 00:20:56.89\00:20:59.82 very authentic ministry, you 00:20:59.82\00:21:02.92 know, people who are authentic 00:21:02.92\00:21:05.53 and vulnerable and real, 00:21:05.53\00:21:08.36 they're not really church-y 00:21:08.36\00:21:10.60 people, they're Christian 00:21:10.60\00:21:12.63 social workers, but they really 00:21:12.63\00:21:15.30 love Jesus and they know how to 00:21:15.30\00:21:17.61 love people and you would 00:21:17.61\00:21:19.84 sometimes maybe think that 00:21:19.84\00:21:21.84 they're not in the church 00:21:21.84\00:21:24.35 because they don't fit into 00:21:24.35\00:21:25.85 that mould, but they're so 00:21:25.85\00:21:27.68 spiritual and they're amazing 00:21:27.68\00:21:29.38 people that transform lives. 00:21:29.38\00:21:31.95 And I went to Yonge Street 00:21:31.95\00:21:33.92 Mission for my interview and I 00:21:33.92\00:21:36.66 was wearing a dress shirt and a 00:21:36.66\00:21:39.16 tie and a cardigan and pants 00:21:39.16\00:21:42.36 and it was the summer, dress 00:21:42.36\00:21:44.50 pants, and, you know, they 00:21:44.50\00:21:46.63 said, "You had a really good 00:21:46.63\00:21:48.20 interview, you did really well, 00:21:48.20\00:21:50.24 we like what we hear from you 00:21:50.24\00:21:51.87 and your life experience, we 00:21:51.87\00:21:54.61 would just say probably lose 00:21:54.61\00:21:57.18 the dress pants [laughs] 00:21:57.18\00:21:59.51 because you're gonna be working 00:21:59.51\00:22:01.38 with at-risk youth and, you 00:22:01.38\00:22:04.42 know, you have to be able to 00:22:04.42\00:22:06.12 relate to them and live in 00:22:06.12\00:22:08.52 their world and communicate in 00:22:08.52\00:22:10.96 a way that's non-threatening 00:22:10.96\00:22:12.49 and..." 00:22:12.49\00:22:14.00 So that was an eye-opener for 00:22:14.00\00:22:15.53 me, but it helped me-- I would 00:22:15.53\00:22:19.20 say Yonge Street Mission helped 00:22:19.20\00:22:21.10 me to see another side of 00:22:21.10\00:22:22.87 ministry, not just preaching 00:22:22.87\00:22:25.21 and teaching and Bible studies, 00:22:25.21\00:22:27.14 but another side of it and I 00:22:27.14\00:22:29.41 would say that it helped me to 00:22:29.41\00:22:31.91 be more in touch with who I am 00:22:31.91\00:22:34.42 and who God wants me to be and 00:22:34.42\00:22:36.62 to be authentic and to be 00:22:36.62\00:22:38.15 vulnerable and to be sincere 00:22:38.15\00:22:40.86 and it really made a difference 00:22:40.86\00:22:42.69 in how I did ministry and how 00:22:42.69\00:22:46.19 I'm even doing ministry today. 00:22:46.19\00:22:48.10 >> What does that look like 00:22:48.10\00:22:49.56 today? 00:22:49.56\00:22:50.63 [MATHEW] So I'm serving as the 00:22:50.63\00:22:52.27 pastor of the New Life 00:22:52.27\00:22:53.70 Seventh-day Adventist Church in 00:22:53.70\00:22:55.64 Oshawa, it's at 33 Olive Avenue 00:22:55.64\00:22:58.37 and it's an amazing church, 00:22:58.37\00:23:02.91 it's kind of like my life has 00:23:02.91\00:23:06.68 come full circle to be in a 00:23:06.68\00:23:09.88 church like this based on my 00:23:09.88\00:23:12.92 life experience and then also 00:23:12.92\00:23:15.92 even my ministry experience at 00:23:15.92\00:23:18.89 places like Yonge Street 00:23:18.89\00:23:20.66 Mission. 00:23:20.66\00:23:21.70 So I would say that New Life is 00:23:21.70\00:23:25.03 a unique church, everyone is 00:23:25.03\00:23:26.97 welcome at New Life. 00:23:26.97\00:23:28.67 It's not a very formal church, 00:23:29.50\00:23:31.51 but it's a very amazing 00:23:31.51\00:23:34.21 ministry as far as reaching the 00:23:34.21\00:23:37.75 community of Oshawa. 00:23:37.75\00:23:40.58 We have a centre called the 00:23:40.58\00:23:42.25 Neighbourhood Centre and 00:23:42.25\00:23:44.39 they're meeting felt needs and 00:23:44.39\00:23:46.09 they have amazing programs, the 00:23:46.09\00:23:47.89 SLIP program, the Productivity 00:23:47.89\00:23:49.69 Hub, the feeding program, the 00:23:49.69\00:23:54.50 food bank, these are all 00:23:54.50\00:23:57.13 programs that are geared to 00:23:57.13\00:23:59.07 empower people to meet felt 00:23:59.07\00:24:00.84 needs and to truly make a 00:24:00.84\00:24:03.51 difference in Oshawa and 00:24:03.51\00:24:05.57 they're doing that. 00:24:05.57\00:24:07.41 They are just amazing what 00:24:08.41\00:24:09.74 they're working at from 00:24:09.74\00:24:11.18 week-to-week and then outside 00:24:11.18\00:24:12.81 of the Neighbourhood Centre, we 00:24:12.81\00:24:14.45 have very inspiring worship 00:24:14.45\00:24:16.38 where we have great music and I 00:24:16.38\00:24:18.89 think the sermons are OK, but I 00:24:18.89\00:24:20.92 can't really be a judge of my 00:24:20.92\00:24:22.66 own sermons, but we try to give 00:24:22.66\00:24:26.19 our best in worship and it's a 00:24:26.19\00:24:29.46 really cool place. 00:24:29.46\00:24:31.13 I've made amazing friends here 00:24:31.13\00:24:33.13 at this church, I've been kind 00:24:33.13\00:24:35.14 of accepted into this community 00:24:35.14\00:24:37.87 and we really see our church 00:24:37.87\00:24:39.91 growing. 00:24:39.91\00:24:40.91 A lot of people are coming to 00:24:40.91\00:24:43.14 New Life and staying at New 00:24:43.14\00:24:45.08 Life because they see that it's 00:24:45.08\00:24:47.12 different, you know, it's 00:24:47.12\00:24:49.28 outside the box and it's 00:24:49.28\00:24:51.62 relevant and so I'm so excited 00:24:51.62\00:24:54.52 to be here at this time. 00:24:54.52\00:24:56.39 >> I must say that, as we wrap 00:24:56.39\00:24:58.16 up, we love coming to church 00:24:58.16\00:25:00.43 here and we enjoy your 00:25:00.43\00:25:02.03 preaching. 00:25:02.03\00:25:03.00 We're often on the road so 00:25:03.00\00:25:04.10 we're preaching at other 00:25:04.10\00:25:05.47 churches, but when we get a 00:25:05.47\00:25:06.67 chance and we're here in 00:25:06.67\00:25:07.84 Oshawa, we love to come to 00:25:07.84\00:25:09.30 listen to you preach and you do 00:25:09.30\00:25:10.94 a great job, you really do. 00:25:10.94\00:25:12.67 So we would like you to pray, 00:25:12.67\00:25:14.38 pray for our viewers and maybe 00:25:14.38\00:25:15.94 there's someone out there who's 00:25:15.94\00:25:17.91 feeling God speaking to them, 00:25:17.91\00:25:19.81 they don't know what to do with 00:25:19.81\00:25:21.68 that and to pray for them that 00:25:21.68\00:25:24.42 they'll get a clear message of 00:25:24.42\00:25:26.76 how God is leading in their 00:25:26.76\00:25:28.32 lives and where they should be 00:25:28.32\00:25:29.76 and how He can help them 00:25:29.76\00:25:31.59 through whatever dark struggles 00:25:31.59\00:25:33.46 they may be going through. 00:25:33.46\00:25:34.93 >> Definitely. 00:25:34.93\00:25:36.03 Let's pray together. 00:25:36.03\00:25:37.53 Loving Father, we're so 00:25:38.87\00:25:40.20 grateful that we can be 00:25:40.20\00:25:43.41 together as-- with my brother 00:25:43.41\00:25:46.34 and my sister here in Christ, 00:25:46.34\00:25:48.81 we can be part of the family of 00:25:48.81\00:25:50.65 God and that we've experienced 00:25:50.65\00:25:52.48 so much love in this family and 00:25:52.48\00:25:55.02 we want others to experience it 00:25:55.02\00:25:56.58 as well and there might be 00:25:56.58\00:25:58.12 people listening today, they're 00:25:58.12\00:26:00.26 feeling discouraged, they're 00:26:00.26\00:26:02.02 facing hardship, they're 00:26:02.02\00:26:04.59 hurting, Lord, and struggling 00:26:04.59\00:26:06.33 with sin and I just pray for 00:26:06.33\00:26:08.16 their deliverance, I pray that 00:26:08.16\00:26:10.17 You would shine Your light on 00:26:10.17\00:26:11.90 their life and give them hope 00:26:11.90\00:26:13.87 and give them courage and give 00:26:13.87\00:26:15.37 them strength and help them to 00:26:15.37\00:26:17.07 discover their purpose as well. 00:26:17.07\00:26:18.91 I'm so grateful for what You 00:26:18.91\00:26:20.54 did in my life and what You 00:26:20.54\00:26:22.91 continue to do even here at this 00:26:22.91\00:26:25.31 beautiful church. 00:26:25.31\00:26:27.28 And I pray for all the viewers 00:26:27.28\00:26:29.08 and I pray that, Lord, they 00:26:29.08\00:26:30.65 would feel Your presence and be 00:26:30.65\00:26:33.66 led by Your Spirit to the place 00:26:33.66\00:26:38.09 that You would like them to be. 00:26:38.09\00:26:39.96 I pray, dear Lord, for this 00:26:39.96\00:26:41.63 ministry, It Is Written Canada, 00:26:41.63\00:26:45.03 may You enlarge its territory, 00:26:45.03\00:26:47.64 may You, dear Father, bear much 00:26:47.64\00:26:50.04 fruit through the hard work and 00:26:50.04\00:26:52.31 labour and may this ministry 00:26:52.31\00:26:55.58 continue to reach lives and to 00:26:55.58\00:26:57.38 save lives. 00:26:57.38\00:26:58.81 For we ask it all in Jesus' 00:26:58.81\00:27:00.25 name, amen. 00:27:00.25\00:27:01.42 [MIKE & RENE] Amen. 00:27:01.42\00:27:02.95 >> Pastor Mathew, thank you so 00:27:02.95\00:27:04.62 much for joining us on It Is 00:27:04.62\00:27:06.32 Written Canada and for being 00:27:06.32\00:27:08.52 vulnerable and willing to share 00:27:08.52\00:27:10.19 your story with us. 00:27:10.19\00:27:12.26 >> Thank you, thanks for 00:27:12.26\00:27:13.40 having me. 00:27:13.40\00:27:14.36 >> Friends, you, too, can 00:27:16.67\00:27:17.97 experience the kind of 00:27:17.97\00:27:20.07 transformation that only God's 00:27:20.07\00:27:22.17 word offers. 00:27:22.17\00:27:23.57 So our free offer today is our 00:27:23.57\00:27:25.47 Bible Study Guides. 00:27:25.47\00:27:27.18 [RENÉ] Whether you want to 00:27:27.18\00:27:28.64 learn the major teachings of 00:27:28.64\00:27:30.38 God's word or Bible prophecy, 00:27:30.38\00:27:32.71 we can assist you to find 00:27:32.71\00:27:34.32 answers for how to face the 00:27:34.32\00:27:36.15 issues and challenges you may 00:27:36.15\00:27:39.09 be dealing with right now. 00:27:39.09\00:27:41.22 >> Before you go, we would like 00:27:41.79\00:27:43.89 to invite you to follow us on 00:27:43.89\00:27:45.83 Instagram and Facebook and 00:27:45.83\00:27:47.60 subscribe to our YouTube 00:27:47.60\00:27:49.36 channel and also listen to our 00:27:49.36\00:27:51.50 Podcasts. 00:27:51.50\00:27:52.87 And if you go to our website, 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be calling 00:28:33.07\00:28:34.91 you to serve in a different 00:28:34.91\00:28:37.41 way, but one thing is for sure, 00:28:37.41\00:28:40.42 God is calling you and everyone 00:28:40.42\00:28:42.95 here today to be a follower of 00:28:42.95\00:28:46.45 Jesus Christ. 00:28:46.45\00:28:47.96